I can’t imagine ever going back to an LCD screen. The LG C2 that I have is just incredible and every time I see an LCD with its grey blacks I’m shocked I ever dealt with that
Oliver is right though. I was considering this myself earlier this year, and I wasn't even considering the price range of the G3 (was going for a 42' C3 for mixed PC use), but even if I could afford the G3 I have read on the issues of this first gen MLA panels, however great they seem to be, it's clear companies are still adapting to the tech and even from an SoC perspective we might have to wait a while before we get the best brightness but also motion behavior, and wait even longer for it to come down to acceptable, C3-level pricing. But it's indeed looking promising.
VA over OLED is crazy to me. I have a CX that I use with my PS5 but use a VA monitor with my PC. It’s getting harder to enjoy gaming on the VA and I’m looking to upgrade within the year.
Yea I have 3 oleds and game on a 48 cx and also have a lg 27 inch monitor. I just don't see how anybody could pick a lcd tv over an oled for gaming. But to each there own
The same here. I'm thinking about upgrading my Oddysey G7, even though it's a great 1440p 240hz VA panel, just because I see how fantastic every single content looks on my LG C2. I just don't know if I should go to 1440p ultra-wide OLEDs like Alienware AW3423DW or Samsung OLED G8... Or a 4K OLED. I can't decide.
@@DuckAlertBeats "normal" by what metric? the guy literally told people to look up the term via Google, the platform which curates it's results based on it's politics and it's relationship with governments, corporations and industrial complexes. Is that weird to point that out?
@@leeboy2k1 You're reaching so badly. Do you not understand the connotation without looking it up anyway? Anyone who doesn't really needs to pick up a book or stop staring at a screen for half an hour smh
I can't go OLED yet, too much of my family watches too much cable news and I am super paranoid about burn in. I am actually leaning towards The Samsung QN90C. It looks like their new IPS like panel has caught VA in contrast (at least according to RTings tests) and still retains the advantages of IPS over VA in motion and VRR, and at least subjectively to me, in color intensity.
Yeah the static images will get you, even if you turn it off every now and then, wear and tear is what it is, those specific pixels WILL start to "burn" as you use them more than the surrounding areas of the screen. Had my OLED for 4 years before I started seeing it, no matter how careful I was with not leaving it on when not in use...
I feel you - brightness is so much more important than blooming from FALD. There is also that weird feeling you have when you realise oleds burn down with time - you kinda have to have this in mind that you can't abuse it with static content, so let's say you are running apple music on TV - you constatly think to yourself how bad is this static ui for this TV...
@@dante19890 SDR is actually graded to 80nits (BT.1886) or 120 nits (Rec 709). But that doesn't really matter because both assume a dark room. So if you watch SDR content in a bright room, you have to adjust the brightness levels to your taste. Meaning depending on your room, high brightness levels only achievable by LCDs are still the way to go
Saying the G3, or any of the QD OLEDs from Samsung or Sony, aren't bright enough, is pretty wild. I do believe that in standard HDR, the G3 measures north of 1400-nits in its standard HDR mode on a 2% window. I can't imagine the 'Game Mode' is going to drop the brightness down below 1000-nits. Not to mention the ABL on modern OLED sets, particularly the G3, is substantially less aggressive than prior year models. In fact, LG's G3 OLED features the single biggest leap forward in brightness from a year-to-year model since OLED panels became widely adopted on the consumer market. Factor in features like heatsinks, better/realistic color volume thanks to the MLA tech, and I have no idea how he hasn't made the jump to an OLED panel. Also, one thing that needs to be noted here: OLED's tech has a higher perceived interpretation of brightness, even on older year models, even before MLA and QD OLEDs came along. The reason being because of 'true black' and the infinite contrast ratio, it creates a brighter level of color and highlights to the human eye. This was something Vincent Teoh touched on a few years ago. That infinite contrast ratio is what helped with OLED's HDR capabilities compared to higher-end LCD models, even when OLEDs were only hitting between 600-700 nits on 2% windows years ago. There's a lot of benefits to OLED as a display tech that goes beyond just number measurements. But even then, the brightness on 2022 and 2023 OLED TV panels are far, far brighter than what they used to be. And that combined with its self emitting pixels, makes for some of the best consumer market visuals you're ever going to get.
they are actually brighter. Especially in HDR highlights. Cuz often times FALD VA lcd are supressing the brightness of the highlights in order to keep it from blooming.
Life hack tip: buy S95B(or 95c/90 doesnt matter its the same panel so B is cheapest), mod it via service menu to get 2500nits peaks which is sick that oled panel is even capable of lcd level like brightness and enjoy life at its fullest.
QD-OLED doesn't have any screen uniformity issues that I've been able to see. I'm surprised you didn't find the S90C bright enough on SDR, as I think it's around 250 nits on a full field white screen. That's very good, and waaaaay brighter than SDR on older OLEDs from LG, for example. Samsung's QD-OLEDs aren't perfect by any means but those aren't issues that I've encountered. HDR is, annoyingly, to some extent limited in brightness because it uses *absolute* rather than relative values for for luminance. It's a little like having a stereo without a volume knob, and it means that in practice, "accurate" HDR content is usually far less bright than SDR content in practice.
Does it flicker with VRR? My LG C2 flickers with dark grey / near black. Even with recommended settings from OLED Reddit, just less frequently than before.
Personally, I can't notice much of a difference in colors between my old IPS ultrawide and my current LG C2. Dark scenes are a little more impressive and HDR is a neat feature, but constantly worrying about burn-in with the sorts of games I play (MMOs and RPGs) that have a lot of static UI elements makes me wish I sprang for a regular monitor instead. There's also so much weirdness with LGTV Companion not always triggering its screensaver and a lot of times activating in the middle of borderless-fullscreen games (where even the "fullscreen" setting makes no difference), forcing me to disable it while I play those games. Trying to do school work is similarly a pain; for anyone on the fence, just be aware of the downsides if you're expecting a big upgrade with no caveats - you need to hide taskbars, hide desktop icons, minimize idling over too many static images, minimize idling when browsing the internet, set up a screensaver, etc. if you plan to use an OLED as an all-purpose display and want to prolong its lifespan.
I have a 2010 LG 47 inch 1080P TV called an SL8500. Glass panel completely glossy. I can control my light surroundings well and for me the glass front just makes it pin sharp and pop more with contrast. I don't feel that mat coated PC monitor style look for a big "cinematic" TV. It helps to lessen reflections but I just like a glass panel glossy looking TV for that cinematic look, it's more like looking through a window into another reality somehow. I personally think the glass panel is part of the reason people are wowed by OLED's nowadays because I never see glossy glass panel LED TVs produced anymore.
@@pulDag point taken not a lot of theaters with big glossy glass panel projectors 🤣 goes to show my subjective notion of "cinematic" is really just my own subjective idea.
Richard, thanks for bringing up the master race reference. As a long time adult gamer, this has ALWAYS bothered me, especially as a PC gamer. Thanks as always for all of the great content.
I think I’m honestly done with OLED. I’ve owned an LG C7 for a few years now and if I were to buy a new TV today it would be mini-LED. OLED isn’t worth the price premium anymore, and the super fast pixel response times give me headaches with 30fps gaming, especially when developers refuse to add motion blur options to their games.
OLED screen consistency has definitely been a problem. Seems like the QD OLED displays that Samsung make may have finally fixed it. They get pretty bright these days too.
Definitely. I've bought an LG G3 and the panel has an awful tint, it's completely unable to display neural gray; it's magenta in the middle and green on the sides. Found _a lit_ of people with similar issues online. Also the image flickers in certain conditions when using VRR, which seems to be an issue with gamma control that affects almost _all_ VRR capable OLED TVs. It's the second OLED TV (had a Philips before) that I'm not quite happy with, and I think it will probably be my last one for a while.
QUESTION: Is there no way to solve the REFLECTIVITY issue for light that falls ON the display? Yes, we have ways to SCATTER the light, but I'm specifically wondering about some sort of POLARIZING, active filter that has minimal effect on light passing from screen to room, but ABSORBS the light coming FROM the room... maybe it could be set so the active filter only becomes active on a per-pixel basis so that anything BELOW a minimal brightness level causes the light to get absorbed. Thus, when sufficient light is PRODUCED by the monitor/TV the screen isn't active for that pixel because the reflected light isn't too much of an issue. Conversely, the screen ABSORBS light if it's black (or minimally bright) so you don't get reflected light? Not sure if I explained that well. Basically an active, polarizing filter that turns on at a per-pixel basis to minimize reflected light off the screen.
There is. I accidentally forgot to remove to protective foil from my new OLED and wondered about how strong it reflects surrounding light. The removed the foil and I'm direct comparison it was almost as if the panel swallowed all light. It still does reflect a bit, but most of the time it's barely noticeable. Quite amazing, actually.
@@photonboy999 the tvs light should reflect of the walls and light up the room evenly, not focus like a laser back at ur tv screen. What kinda walls do u have lol
I have a va monitor that has served me well. I have been looking at the latest oled monitors they are great looking but my concern is that LG for example do not warrant oled burn in on their monitors which is a big red flag. Clearly it is designed for gaming and therefore there should be no reason for that exclusion. It would seem that LG know there will be potential problems which tells me that spending alot more money on an oled monitor at this point is not a good idea from a cost vs longevity point of view aswell as lack of in my example LG not providing the consumer peace of mind by not warranting the technology they are selling us as the best that money can buy. It would seem better is not always better ! I will stick with va as after all it is still a great choice for gaming.
Get the s90c it's very bright for moderately lit room and bright enough sdr with infinite contrast and widest color gamet and color volume than any tv out there meaning you get the most out of any HDR content
Well it's among the brightest but the S95C and A95L both beat it, although they cost a lot more. Either way OLED is the way to go, there is no going back to an LCD panel.
I have a Panasonic VT-60. Plasmas are just easier on my eyes. The way they handle motion and how uniform they are is tough to beat. It’s going to take a while for me to convert to OLED. I simply cannot justify it yet.
Yeah, my daily driver is an LG C9, and while it looks beautiful in static images, motion handling is so much worse than the old plasma at my girlfriend’s place. It’s a low end 51’ Samsung panel (1024x768), but I just love taking my Switch and gaming laptop there. It’s awesome for both 30 and 60 fps games
Am using a vt50 plasma it's honestly very similar to my brothers oled but man the motion on the plasma is amazing for only 60hz just can't see myself "downgrading" to a oled.
Totally get this. I’ve been struggling for weeks trying to pick out an OLED because they all have some pretty distinct pros and cons. I’m looking at the Samsung S90c because of the concerns Oliver has about Game Mode. This TV doesn’t seem to really compromise its brightness in Game Mode from what I can tell. I don’t think it’s doing 500 nits in SDR but I believe it’s almost 400. The LG C series TVs drop to 200 nits in Game Mode unless you have a way to modify them. I don’t really like having to do all that. I’d stick with LED but I’m so spoiled by my iPhone and Switch OLED. I want that, but bigger lol.
OLED panels have changed dramatically since 2018. They're much brighter, especially the new LG G3 that has a heatsink and MLA technology, and Samsung introduced QD-OLED last year which has even better colour luminance. Plus, the chances of burn-in are almost zero now. ABL (automatic brightness limiter) can be an issue but only with certain brands; Sony's is usually the worst, but the tradeoff is that their TVs have the best picture quality. Mini LED TVs have also come a long way and look great now, but I'd still choose OLED any day. It's just a superior technology.
G3 is great overall, but there are lot of panels with uniformity issues out there, like tints that can't be calibrated away. Mine is awful and LG pretends to not know about and not understand the problem. A friend had three G2's that all had color issues until he got his money back.
I don't understand how you guys can say stuff like "chances of burn-in are almost zero now". Like, how do you know?? It's a new technology. Burn-in takes time to appear. Until independent media conducts long tests on this matter, all you have are the panel manufacturers' claims, which you obviously can't trust as they have an interest to sell you the display. I realize your comment is old. Tim from Monitors Unboxed already has burn-in on his 2024 QD-OLED that he uses as a productivity display, which you obviously shouldn't do, but there's also not much difference between running Photoshop for 700 hours and playing the same game with the same HUD for 700 hours.
I can never take Burn-in. But I can always take a higher pixel response time with ghosting but beautiful colors. I Love IPS, especially nowadays IPS since we have IPS displays having a 1ms response time! Maybe those who are obsessed with OLED, can wait until MICRO-LED comes out. Yet again it will still take years until prices go down for that, soo.... I guess I will always love IPS forever!
OLED grain bothers me too. I have an LG C1 and a Sony A95K and they are both a bit grainy and flicker on static images with one colour being displayed.
I also have the LG C1, great tv, i do agree certain scenes can be a bit grainy, in gaming, (tone mapping in COD 2019) was a little grainy, almost cloudy, until an update fixed it weeks later, haven't noticed Flickr, but, that could just be me not noticing or we both hit different tv lotteries, (out the box problems etc).
@@Mark-mu4pj Try displaying static images on RUclips with different colours (these are usually used to check for burn-in). The flickering image is most noticeable in a dark room. Otherwise, I agree it's a great TV especially for gaming.
@@omenbrassmonkey Cheers will check that out tonight or tomorrow, yeah it's a fantastic TV for gaming, been thinking about getting the C3-G3 but to be honest i haven't had any major problems with this TV as of yet.
I have both and the high end QLEDs are so close to OLED blacks they’re a better choice for me personally. They’ve come a long way and until burn in, dead pixels and whatever else on OLEDs isn’t an issue I’ll always prefer a high end QLED/mini LED with far superior brightness.
I've been curious about upgrading from my X900E to an OLED like the S90C, but I'm not sure how much of a difference it is. Hard to tell with comparison photos on your phone.
Get the s90c it's very bright for moderately lit room and bright enough sdr with infinite contrast and widest color gamet and color volume than any tv out there meaning you get the most out of any HDR content
QLEDs are somewhat in between especially the high end models and budget flagships like Hisense U8K and TCL QM8 . Have a C2 and a U8K and sometimes I prefer the U8K for gaming because of its brightness (1200 nits!!) and almost equally deep blacks. C2 is for my movies tho 🔥
@@SidorovichJr oh yea QD oled is vastly superior in every way compared to LCD tvs lol was thinking of switching my C2 for a s90c but that price range tho 😭😭😭
Not going OLED because of the burn in problems. My daily use contains things that will increase the burn in problems: 4:3 contents with black bars, static UI elements, task bar, light theme, etc etc.
LCD’s are still a far better buy than OLED’s. The only advantage to OLED’s were deeper blacks, but full-array LCD’s have come a long way in matching that. And OLED’s can’t match the brightness of the best LCD’s. Plus OLED’s STILL have that pesky burn-in problem.
FALD LCDs are outrageously expensive and compete with OLEDs in price at the high end. Makes no sense OLED panels are better in almost all aspects, not only deeper blacks lol and by nature of OLED panels, ace HDR content
This comment should not have the upvotes it has. There's a ton of misinformation in your comment. LG's G3 model can eclipse north of 1,400-nits in HDR on a 2% window. The Samsung QD hits around the same. And Sony's 2023 A95L hits north of 1,200-nits. There aren't many LCD panels hitting those numbers outside of the really high end LCD panels. And even then, full-array local dimming is still nowhere near as effective as self-emitting pixel technology. There's a reason so many cinematographers use consumer market OLED panels when doubling as their master monitors in post-production. And what tech do their mastering monitors use? You guessed it: OLED. And there are no real issues with burn-in on OLEDs. There never has been. People like you, who aren't as informed as you'd like to think you are, treat OLED as if it's plasma 2.0 -- but it's not. I have an LG B6 OLED model from fucking 2016, that STILL has no image retention whatsoever. And since 2021, almost every consumer market OLED panel now has a heatsink dissipation layer built into it.
there is absolutetly no reason to get a good lcd tv nowdays when the new qd oleds are just as bright and have so much more advantages. The only reason u go lcd today if u buying super budget.
There's no beating the full field brightness of LED, the far smoother pixel translations is also far superior on LED with low FPS content especially movies & a must for sensitive eyes, the dark lacking OLED colour accuracy as was mentioned also a pretty major peeve of mine, though I don't mind OLED for VR though I'm constantly moving my head for that one, I've also enjoyed LED VR since the HDR is far more punchy and the grays are so much more uniform up close to your face
I've plumped for an OLED TV simply because of the size. I was so torn between that and a 21:9 PC monitor but they are just simply too small after having used a LCD 50" TV for four years. For me size is the most important thing. Oo-er missus.
I have a 2018 model Philips 4k lcd and tbh im not in a mad rush to upgrade the pic is amazing still, when i do id probs get a Qled as i game for 6 plus hours a time often and screen burn would concern me plus budget wise Qleds u can pick some up cheap that review well.
I moved from an Asus xg279q (170hz IPS) with 550 nits brightness to the Asus pg27aqdm (240hz OLED) due to Best Buy breaking my IPS during repair (they gave me the full retail value despite it being almost three years old, which was amazing). The IPS was absolutely beautiful in bright HDR content, and I definitely miss that aspect of it. There's absolutely no going back once it comes to dark or mixed brightness content on the OLED, however. It genuinely feels like I upgraded my video card with how much better most images look while gaming. I'm looking forward to when we can have the best of both worlds, but at this point I'll never purchase another backlit display for my main PC.
The Samsung S90C is your best OLED option. 1000 nits even in gaming mode. 144hz refresh rate when hooked up to a PC. Full freedom to mess with all settings like motion clarity in game mode and it's a reasonable price compared to the LG G3 and Samsung S95C while being 90% as good.
What am curious about is when will we start seeing the budget tvs around 400 price point include 120hz lmao we are years in 4k tvs and already 3 years into this generation and most budget 4k tvs dont include 120hz even 2023 tvs 400-500 range just dont offer anything.
Just for the sake of contrast, I'm not going to switch to an OLED screen. Especially considering the fact that they burn out (my line of work involves using a screen where a static ui is constantly displayed) and are very expensive
Been mulling switching to OLED, but have seen multiple videos saying that motion in 30 fps games is not great due to the fast pixel response time. Not all games reach 60 fps, and I don’t always want to have to play in performance mode when they do. Thoughts?
@@gangganggang2219 the comments I’ve read were about OLEDs with VRR. It’s not the inconsistent framerate (which would affect any TV without a VRR), but the consistent stutter or choppiness visible at lower frame rates due to fast pixel response time. The solution would be to use something like True Motion that generates in between frames, but that increases input lag. I understand the latest generation of TVs allow you to turn frame generation on in game mode, but does that really work well, or does it introduce artifacts and much input lag?
Fast pixel response time is a good thing, especially with low fps, less blur that way. Most games have motion blur option to negate low fps choppiness.
I have both. In my opinion OLED is just too dim and prone to long term wear. I have an older CX and that has dead pixels all over the place and my current OLED is still just too dim. For me until that changes I will prefer QLED, the blacks on my Samsung are very close to OLED and you have the huge upside of no burn in, dead pixels and way brighter.
Surprised just a qled tv. If he wants brightness he should get a mini-led. The new Samsung and LG OLED's are really bright. Those QD-OLED uses the quantum dots from QLEDs with the OLED backlit. It provides the best brightness, contrast and image quality. Just that they're really expensive.
My dad's 15-year-old PLASMA is overall better IMO than my LG G2 OLED for watching general video. Ya, you read that right. The blacks are fairly DARK, but the main issue is the JUDDER on the OLED. My parents just leave the TV on the same settings they've been at for around 15 years or so. I have to keep switching between the motion smoothing settings depending on what I'm watching. When things are IDEAL the colors and resolution on my TV look amazing (such as Star Trek Picard Season 3. Wow!), but I guarantee my parents would be upset if I swapped out their 1080p, 46" Panasonic Plasma for my 55" LG G2 OLED.
@@Laytonmario Just watched a confusing video on RUclips explaining how "FILMMAKER" mode can show judder at times that isn't seen when disabling that feature. Sigh.
I have an OLED in the living room but I don't game on it due to burn in. The Panasonic MZ2000. And in the game room I have the Samsung QN95C mini LED. LEDs are 99% as good as OLED now plus no burn in issues and bright HDR. 👍
no, the are not. way slower response times (meaning they are blurry in motion), bad at HDR in small scenes with bright small lights, and if you enable the fastest modes, all the post processes that make them decent get disable and they go back to looking like you're watching a screen through graphing paper.
Burn-in is a total non-issue nowadays, blows my mind that people keep repeating this braindead talking point. Go take a look at WULFF DEN's videos about testing the Switch OLED in that regard: He had to leave it on the exact same screen for 1800 hours, which is *six months straight* , to get even slight burn-in. Mind you, the Switch doesn't even have any of the fancy tech modern TVs have to mitigate burn-in like pixel shifting.
Ever since I got my OLED tv a couple of years ago, I couldn't go back to LCDs. I even sold my switch lite and bought the oled model. Then bought a 15" laptop with a 4K oled screen.
I have three oleds CX, C1 and G2 and i cant game on them due to the ABL it kills it for me. Movies are incredible tough. Game on Samung Q90a and brightnes is just incredible.
Only thing I'm worried about it is Black Crush. I can't play some games on my VA 4K TV because of this specially retro games idk if Oled has that problem Also Richard is such a gentleman with that speaking🤵♂🍵
I own an LG C2 OLED and there is some black crush there. As far as I know it is a design choice by LG (probably to make sure the OLED-blacks show up more often) but I think it varies from brand to brand
The TVs with Samsung Display's new QD-OLED panels have no black crush anymore (S95C, A95L) but they cost a lot. Amazing displays. The G3 is almost on par as is the S90C.
From the LG CX (C10) 2020 onwards, the C series is fantastic. 4K, HDR, OLED, 120hz, G-Sync, VRR, ALLM, 4x HDMI 2.1 and more. Literally can’t beat them for features.
*LG G2 OLED user here...* I have very MIXED feelings about my TV. If I had to do it over I would NOT have purchased OLED. I can't speak to the newer G3 but it certainly will have some of the same issues: #1) REFLECTIONS - the deep blacks are great. But. A small amount of daytime light through BLINDS and it's hard to see the screen if much of it is dark. And at NIGHT it's also an issue if there's much dark content because the light bounces off the wall. If it's MOSTLY a black screen it's not an issue (not much light to bounce). So the very DEEP BLACKS I like about OLED also are a problem at times. In a large room it's probably mostly a non-issue, especially if the walls are not as reflective as mine. (LCD light leakage through panel causes GREYS not deep BLACKS but also mitigates the reflectivity issue. So overall I'd choose LCD unless in a very dark room with minimal reflected light) #2) JUDDER - this really pisses me off. I'm constantly needing to switch back and forth between the same settings. I get cartoons/anime that have big judder (skipping) so I have to turn up the motion smoothing and then suddenly it's smooth. Yay. But then I have to turn it back down for movies or other content because it's got the "soap opera" effect of being too smooth... AND I still see minor judder with many shows on the default settings. #3) Brightness - this goes along with the REFLECTIONS but it's worth noting seperately. I frequently wish the image were brighter in the daytime. I'm debating getting blinds that COMPLETELY block all the light. #4) GAMING and DARKNESS - I haven't tested recently, so maybe this got fixed with LG updates but I tried to play SKYRIM using my PC. I was inside a TAVERN looking back at the door and it was mostly black. I think I have the "black crush" issue where what should be "grey" ends up black. So it ended up rather unplayable. On the other hand Guardians of the Galaxy looked great. #5) Wi-Fi - this is kind of specific to my LG OLED (not just the G2) but it's been BROKEN since I bought it. It keeps disconnecting (works well enough to get LG TV updates though). There's a lot of discussion online. Even used an Ethernet USB adapter which worked but STILL got occasionaly loss of network. I COULD have just returned the TV but I'm terminally ill so I couldn't deal with it. I ended up using the Amazon FireCube (gen3) and it's awesome. I even used a Sandisk 512GB USB stick along with KODI to put a lot of movies and TV shows I ripped from my BluRay set. Works great (really tricky to get working though. I had to format to FAT32 so the Cube would recognize it, then format to NTFS on my PC even though it came as NTFS. Figured it out anyway. USB needs to be AC powered or doesn't draw too much power or it will not work with Cube... anyway, I move the Sandisk to my PC to swap video, then move back to Amazon Cube, open KODI then clean/clear the old data in the settings to remove reference to deleted movies. Awesome!)
Nobody asked, but for a PC-monitor I'm still on an IPS-panel, that 38" 1600p 21:9 UltraGear from LG, because it's a good in-between resolution, up to 160Hz (I'm already happy with 120), with good contrast, brightness, and color accuracy, albeit with kinda noticeable backlight bleed, kinda useless local dimming, but decent HDR I believe (not sure how to use it, though). - So I got something that is a good average for general image quality (resolution, colors, contrast). - But for a TV-screen for movies and some console-games, I'm also looking at the LG G panels. I love the "gallery style" design, as well as the image on them of course. But I just hope it's accurate enough, as well as resistant to "burn-out", especially since someone in my household needs to use subtitles and also regularly watches TV-channels (meaning with static icons). I know there are a bunch of mitigation-processes in place now, but I just hope it will do. Well, and also for some static game-elements, I suppose. But I will be sure to try and adjust HUDs and the like. But also a lot of games I'd play on it are more "cinematic" than crap with a lot of "stats" all over the screen. That's more for the PC-side for me.
After buying my LG CX and using it with my PS5 for 3 years I’m never going back to LCD. QLED is shit, I had one and it would massively raise or lower the brightness all at once at it was immersion breaking.
My tv is 5 years old next year I'll probably want to upgrade then n yeah I'll probs get a tcl or hisense they offer amazing quality for great prices to compete with the more established brands
Honestly, with how bright my house gets, I much prefer my Samsung QN90B Neo QLED. Its blacks are as deep as an OLED (Linus did an in-depth comparison video) and its HDR capabilities are absolutely perfect. Dimming zones are not as fine as OLED is, but to me, the difference isn't even noticeable enough to care. This is an incredible TV for gaming. 65 inches of 4K 120Hz with G-SYNC and HDR - what could be better?
they are not as deep as an oled. if linus did a comparison that said that, he did it wrong. it's that simple. go watch rtings reviews, not some random kid on youtube. all it takes is a star field panning shot to show the absolutely massive difference between oled and anything less than a dual layer LCD mastering monitor
LCD is absolute trash no matter how many times the industry tries to band-aid it with new names. LCD along with the DVD format are the worst things to happen to home video.
@@crestofhonor2349 Over-sharpening, film grain srubbed away, changes in color timing, no original audio (such as mono or stereo tracks) that was available on VHS and laserdisc, low-bit lossy audio.
@@marcelslofstra2157 not on a decent vcr and crt. The digitization at such low res of DVDs cause artifacts that look way worse than any subtle snow/noise of a decent vcr. LCDs again lack in so many picture qualities vs a decent crt. The early lcds were absolute garbage, and the only thing they were good for was office computers running higher rez where small text needed to be legible, and they weren't that much better. The industry went that way far too soon because they could market "digital=better" and lower their costs/raise profit because it was cheaper for them or they could at least all collude on higher prices because new products don't have established prices to compare to. It was a scam. 25 years later and 4k lcds and blu rays are finally making up for that
Burn-in. I've had my LG OLED for ~4.5 years, and use it as a daily driver for my PC, consoles and NVIDIA Shield/Blu Ray Player for movies. I have an all-black screen-saver automatically kick in after two minutes, and I (eventually) learned to have a full-screen extension for Firefox at all times. I always let the pixel refresher run, and do the manual refresher twice a year. Didn't matter. I still have weak-to-mild burn-in from static elements, including from my desktop background, the Windows Taskbar and a few websites where the "page" slightly changes color (Eurogamer included, I believe). It is never noticeable in movies or games, but it is noticeable with static color elements like yellow or green placed on the screen - so in cartoons like South Park, for example. The reality of these panels is that they only last ~6 or 7 years in this use case before the burn-in gets so noticeable it needs to be replaced. I'm holding out for the rumored 240 Hz panels (don't care about 4K240 or HDMI 2.2) and will be getting another one when it hits the ~$1400 price point about 8 months after launch. It's a shame, as it's a beautiful panel - but it still has so far to go with regards to longevity.
I will tell you that most of the oleds pre 2020 did have a good chance to burn in. But now they’ve done a much better job in my opinion. I’ve had my C1 for 3 years now and it’s still great.
Have you ever turned your OLED off? Or is it just on all the time with all black screen saver? The pixel refresher run automatically after the TV is turned off... It doesn't run if you have the TV on with a black screen saver.
My c1 has around 8000 hours of use, still zero burn in. I do use dark theme on everything, my taskbar is set to auto-hide and most importantly, my room is always very dim, i use the screen between 30 and 0% (when i just woke up or have the lights off at night) oled light most of the time. Although i have unlocked HDR brightness on SDR mode in the service menu, so all the brightness values are a bit higher than normal. and ah. i don't use a wallpaper. it's a black screen. plus i use fences to hide the icons when i'm not using them (been doing this for over 10 years)
Doesn't help that Sony for example have no anti burn in features once the tv or monitor is switched off, and LG have the full suite, making some brands made to fail so they can sell you another, a bit like the PS5.
lol y’all are coping trying to say other brands of TVs are better or comparable to oled. They’re really not, my oled cx is better than any tv I’ve owned
doesn't matter, people have the right to prefer what they want, objectively better or not. My point is the one with the problem is the one bothered by the choices of others. @@Cfreezy12
Maybe larger OLED panels are a completely different beast but all the phone sized OLED displays I’ve used have been a big step down from LCDs I was used to. The color shifting and the smearing… 🤢
Wrong I just upgraded from 6s to 13 mini and omg it looks crisp and clear. The images are popping from the screen and the dark is really dark instead of gray.
Oliver is great. Super nice guy, makes fantastic content, and speaks in such a clear way. I always enjoy his content, and he's such a vital member of this team. That said, he's absolutely bonkers with this OLED vs LCD nonsense, lol. Going from an LCD G9 to an OLED G9 changed my life.
Been using an 8K 65" Samsung QN900B MiniLED TV as my pc monitor and it beats OLED hands down. It has OLED like blacks, very minimal blooming, super bright, highest pixel density of any TV over 32" at 135 ppi, a normal subpixel structure that produces crisp sharp text, up to 144hz in 4K, fantastic anti-glare coating, and most importantly for me, I have ZERO worry of any burn-in and I can leave anything up on my screen with no thought about it.
VA tv s are far superior to VA monitors, for u guys that think they are the same thing, especially qled, so i get what he s saying! He really knows his tv s!
This is one of Olivers few L takes. Oled is just better than lcd in every scenario in terms of picture quality , except brightness output. So im wondering if Oliver plays in a really bright room without curtains. Oliver doesnt even have a good LCD tv
I can’t imagine ever going back to an LCD screen. The LG C2 that I have is just incredible and every time I see an LCD with its grey blacks I’m shocked I ever dealt with that
Got myself a C2 a couple of weeks ago and I can’t imagine going back to anything else than OLED. Completely agreeing with you.
Next step would be qd oled.
A good LCD doesn't have grey blacks anymore. I have a QN90B, and it disappears into the room with blacks.
What size do you have?
@@direwolf3972 I have a 65”
We love you anyway, Oliver
Oliver is right though. I was considering this myself earlier this year, and I wasn't even considering the price range of the G3 (was going for a 42' C3 for mixed PC use), but even if I could afford the G3 I have read on the issues of this first gen MLA panels, however great they seem to be, it's clear companies are still adapting to the tech and even from an SoC perspective we might have to wait a while before we get the best brightness but also motion behavior, and wait even longer for it to come down to acceptable, C3-level pricing. But it's indeed looking promising.
VA over OLED is crazy to me. I have a CX that I use with my PS5 but use a VA monitor with my PC. It’s getting harder to enjoy gaming on the VA and I’m looking to upgrade within the year.
VA TV’s are much better than VA monitors, mostly to compete with OLED TV’s better
black smearing is disgusting on va
Yea I have 3 oleds and game on a 48 cx and also have a lg 27 inch monitor. I just don't see how anybody could pick a lcd tv over an oled for gaming. But to each there own
He explained quite clearly why. Did you not watch the video? @@bundyho1
The same here. I'm thinking about upgrading my Oddysey G7, even though it's a great 1440p 240hz VA panel, just because I see how fantastic every single content looks on my LG C2. I just don't know if I should go to 1440p ultra-wide OLEDs like Alienware AW3423DW or Samsung OLED G8... Or a 4K OLED. I can't decide.
I remember Oliver said he used work with a Canadian new channel. he's probably used to looking at reference level brightness on PVMs and such.
Thank you Rich for calling out the Master Race thing. It's so obvious and pretty embarrassing that it even needs saying tbh, but..... Good on you
More likely he was virtue signalling, since he is well aware of the synthesis that is public discourse 'overton window'
No he was speaking like a normal human being with some knowledge of history and language, and not some internet weirdo
@@DuckAlertBeats "normal" by what metric? the guy literally told people to look up the term via Google, the platform which curates it's results based on it's politics and it's relationship with governments, corporations and industrial complexes.
Is that weird to point that out?
@@leeboy2k1 You're reaching so badly. Do you not understand the connotation without looking it up anyway? Anyone who doesn't really needs to pick up a book or stop staring at a screen for half an hour smh
I can't go OLED yet, too much of my family watches too much cable news and I am super paranoid about burn in. I am actually leaning towards The Samsung QN90C. It looks like their new IPS like panel has caught VA in contrast (at least according to RTings tests) and still retains the advantages of IPS over VA in motion and VRR, and at least subjectively to me, in color intensity.
Yeah the static images will get you, even if you turn it off every now and then, wear and tear is what it is, those specific pixels WILL start to "burn" as you use them more than the surrounding areas of the screen.
Had my OLED for 4 years before I started seeing it, no matter how careful I was with not leaving it on when not in use...
I feel you - brightness is so much more important than blooming from FALD. There is also that weird feeling you have when you realise oleds burn down with time - you kinda have to have this in mind that you can't abuse it with static content, so let's say you are running apple music on TV - you constatly think to yourself how bad is this static ui for this TV...
Brightness is only really important in HDR since SDR is only graded to 150nits.
@@dante19890 SDR is actually graded to 80nits (BT.1886) or 120 nits (Rec 709). But that doesn't really matter because both assume a dark room. So if you watch SDR content in a bright room, you have to adjust the brightness levels to your taste. Meaning depending on your room, high brightness levels only achievable by LCDs are still the way to go
@@AnimeUniverseDE or u can just get dark curtains. That's the ideal
@@dante19890 Cave dweller detected...
@dragam9534 if u are watching in a bright room than why even get an oled
Saying the G3, or any of the QD OLEDs from Samsung or Sony, aren't bright enough, is pretty wild. I do believe that in standard HDR, the G3 measures north of 1400-nits in its standard HDR mode on a 2% window. I can't imagine the 'Game Mode' is going to drop the brightness down below 1000-nits. Not to mention the ABL on modern OLED sets, particularly the G3, is substantially less aggressive than prior year models. In fact, LG's G3 OLED features the single biggest leap forward in brightness from a year-to-year model since OLED panels became widely adopted on the consumer market. Factor in features like heatsinks, better/realistic color volume thanks to the MLA tech, and I have no idea how he hasn't made the jump to an OLED panel.
Also, one thing that needs to be noted here: OLED's tech has a higher perceived interpretation of brightness, even on older year models, even before MLA and QD OLEDs came along. The reason being because of 'true black' and the infinite contrast ratio, it creates a brighter level of color and highlights to the human eye. This was something Vincent Teoh touched on a few years ago. That infinite contrast ratio is what helped with OLED's HDR capabilities compared to higher-end LCD models, even when OLEDs were only hitting between 600-700 nits on 2% windows years ago.
There's a lot of benefits to OLED as a display tech that goes beyond just number measurements. But even then, the brightness on 2022 and 2023 OLED TV panels are far, far brighter than what they used to be. And that combined with its self emitting pixels, makes for some of the best consumer market visuals you're ever going to get.
they are actually brighter. Especially in HDR highlights. Cuz often times FALD VA lcd are supressing the brightness of the highlights in order to keep it from blooming.
Life hack tip: buy S95B(or 95c/90 doesnt matter its the same panel so B is cheapest), mod it via service menu to get 2500nits peaks which is sick that oled panel is even capable of lcd level like brightness and enjoy life at its fullest.
Neo QLed user here, It's an excellent alternative for those who don't want an OLED yet.
QD-OLED doesn't have any screen uniformity issues that I've been able to see. I'm surprised you didn't find the S90C bright enough on SDR, as I think it's around 250 nits on a full field white screen. That's very good, and waaaaay brighter than SDR on older OLEDs from LG, for example. Samsung's QD-OLEDs aren't perfect by any means but those aren't issues that I've encountered.
HDR is, annoyingly, to some extent limited in brightness because it uses *absolute* rather than relative values for for luminance. It's a little like having a stereo without a volume knob, and it means that in practice, "accurate" HDR content is usually far less bright than SDR content in practice.
I agree
Does it flicker with VRR? My LG C2 flickers with dark grey / near black. Even with recommended settings from OLED Reddit, just less frequently than before.
QD oled panels are the cleanest panels u can get
I have an LG G2. It's an awesome panel. Brightness, colors and HDR is top notch. Not mentioning the 120Hz. I imagine a G3 to be even better
Oliver, get the s90c or s95c qd oled tv. Coming off a q70r qled i can say its way brighter and way more colorfull than my qled
@2:15 the Samsung Q90C isn't an OLED. It's Neo-QLED
I think he means the s90c
Personally, I can't notice much of a difference in colors between my old IPS ultrawide and my current LG C2. Dark scenes are a little more impressive and HDR is a neat feature, but constantly worrying about burn-in with the sorts of games I play (MMOs and RPGs) that have a lot of static UI elements makes me wish I sprang for a regular monitor instead. There's also so much weirdness with LGTV Companion not always triggering its screensaver and a lot of times activating in the middle of borderless-fullscreen games (where even the "fullscreen" setting makes no difference), forcing me to disable it while I play those games. Trying to do school work is similarly a pain; for anyone on the fence, just be aware of the downsides if you're expecting a big upgrade with no caveats - you need to hide taskbars, hide desktop icons, minimize idling over too many static images, minimize idling when browsing the internet, set up a screensaver, etc. if you plan to use an OLED as an all-purpose display and want to prolong its lifespan.
I have a 2010 LG 47 inch 1080P TV called an SL8500. Glass panel completely glossy. I can control my light surroundings well and for me the glass front just makes it pin sharp and pop more with contrast. I don't feel that mat coated PC monitor style look for a big "cinematic" TV. It helps to lessen reflections but I just like a glass panel glossy looking TV for that cinematic look, it's more like looking through a window into another reality somehow. I personally think the glass panel is part of the reason people are wowed by OLED's nowadays because I never see glossy glass panel LED TVs produced anymore.
How can it be cinematic feeling while no cinema has anything to do with gloss materials?
@@pulDag point taken not a lot of theaters with big glossy glass panel projectors 🤣 goes to show my subjective notion of "cinematic" is really just my own subjective idea.
Lmao I love the condemnation and mini lecture at the beginning.
Richard, thanks for bringing up the master race reference. As a long time adult gamer, this has ALWAYS bothered me, especially as a PC gamer. Thanks as always for all of the great content.
I think I’m honestly done with OLED. I’ve owned an LG C7 for a few years now and if I were to buy a new TV today it would be mini-LED. OLED isn’t worth the price premium anymore, and the super fast pixel response times give me headaches with 30fps gaming, especially when developers refuse to add motion blur options to their games.
theres is life hack: connect oled panel to high end pc?
OLED screen consistency has definitely been a problem. Seems like the QD OLED displays that Samsung make may have finally fixed it. They get pretty bright these days too.
Definitely. I've bought an LG G3 and the panel has an awful tint, it's completely unable to display neural gray; it's magenta in the middle and green on the sides. Found _a lit_ of people with similar issues online. Also the image flickers in certain conditions when using VRR, which seems to be an issue with gamma control that affects almost _all_ VRR capable OLED TVs. It's the second OLED TV (had a Philips before) that I'm not quite happy with, and I think it will probably be my last one for a while.
QUESTION:
Is there no way to solve the REFLECTIVITY issue for light that falls ON the display?
Yes, we have ways to SCATTER the light, but I'm specifically wondering about some sort of POLARIZING, active filter that has minimal effect on light passing from screen to room, but ABSORBS the light coming FROM the room... maybe it could be set so the active filter only becomes active on a per-pixel basis so that anything BELOW a minimal brightness level causes the light to get absorbed. Thus, when sufficient light is PRODUCED by the monitor/TV the screen isn't active for that pixel because the reflected light isn't too much of an issue. Conversely, the screen ABSORBS light if it's black (or minimally bright) so you don't get reflected light?
Not sure if I explained that well. Basically an active, polarizing filter that turns on at a per-pixel basis to minimize reflected light off the screen.
There is. I accidentally forgot to remove to protective foil from my new OLED and wondered about how strong it reflects surrounding light. The removed the foil and I'm direct comparison it was almost as if the panel swallowed all light. It still does reflect a bit, but most of the time it's barely noticeable. Quite amazing, actually.
yeah, Black curtains
@@dante19890
Still happens in a dark room because the TV's light reflects off my WALLS.
@@photonboy999 the tvs light should reflect of the walls and light up the room evenly, not focus like a laser back at ur tv screen. What kinda walls do u have lol
surely just get a QD-OLED then? Plenty bright enough and so far superior to VA it's mindblowing someone with tech knowledge wouldn't know this lol.
Depends what you want. QD OLED isn't accurate.
He had one and sent it back. He discusses this in the video. Maybe watch the whole video properly.
I have a va monitor that has served me well. I have been looking at the latest oled monitors they are great looking but my concern is that LG for example do not warrant oled burn in on their monitors which is a big red flag. Clearly it is designed for gaming and therefore there should be no reason for that exclusion. It would seem that LG know there will be potential problems which tells me that spending alot more money on an oled monitor at this point is not a good idea from a cost vs longevity point of view aswell as lack of in my example LG not providing the consumer peace of mind by not warranting the technology they are selling us as the best that money can buy. It would seem better is not always better ! I will stick with va as after all it is still a great choice for gaming.
Get the s90c it's very bright for moderately lit room and bright enough sdr with infinite contrast and widest color gamet and color volume than any tv out there meaning you get the most out of any HDR content
Well it's among the brightest but the S95C and A95L both beat it, although they cost a lot more. Either way OLED is the way to go, there is no going back to an LCD panel.
@@JFinns right now the s90c at any size and surely the 77" carry the same gen 2 qd oled panel used in A95l and s95c
I won't buy another OLED after mine got burn in. I'll stick with mini led until micro LED arrives.
They do make OLED tvs that has 1,300+ nits.
He’s talking about full screen brightness. Even the best OLED/QD-OLED can only manage ~200 nits full screen.
I have a Panasonic VT-60. Plasmas are just easier on my eyes. The way they handle motion and how uniform they are is tough to beat.
It’s going to take a while for me to convert to OLED. I simply cannot justify it yet.
Yeah, my daily driver is an LG C9, and while it looks beautiful in static images, motion handling is so much worse than the old plasma at my girlfriend’s place.
It’s a low end 51’ Samsung panel (1024x768), but I just love taking my Switch and gaming laptop there. It’s awesome for both 30 and 60 fps games
True, Plasmas have been awesome in terms of motion handling, they've been the second best thing after CRTs
Am using a vt50 plasma it's honestly very similar to my brothers oled but man the motion on the plasma is amazing for only 60hz just can't see myself "downgrading" to a oled.
Totally get this. I’ve been struggling for weeks trying to pick out an OLED because they all have some pretty distinct pros and cons. I’m looking at the Samsung S90c because of the concerns Oliver has about Game Mode. This TV doesn’t seem to really compromise its brightness in Game Mode from what I can tell. I don’t think it’s doing 500 nits in SDR but I believe it’s almost 400. The LG C series TVs drop to 200 nits in Game Mode unless you have a way to modify them. I don’t really like having to do all that. I’d stick with LED but I’m so spoiled by my iPhone and Switch OLED. I want that, but bigger lol.
OLED panels have changed dramatically since 2018. They're much brighter, especially the new LG G3 that has a heatsink and MLA technology, and Samsung introduced QD-OLED last year which has even better colour luminance. Plus, the chances of burn-in are almost zero now. ABL (automatic brightness limiter) can be an issue but only with certain brands; Sony's is usually the worst, but the tradeoff is that their TVs have the best picture quality. Mini LED TVs have also come a long way and look great now, but I'd still choose OLED any day. It's just a superior technology.
Colour.
@@phant0mdummy what about it?
G3 is great overall, but there are lot of panels with uniformity issues out there, like tints that can't be calibrated away. Mine is awful and LG pretends to not know about and not understand the problem. A friend had three G2's that all had color issues until he got his money back.
I don't understand how you guys can say stuff like "chances of burn-in are almost zero now". Like, how do you know?? It's a new technology. Burn-in takes time to appear. Until independent media conducts long tests on this matter, all you have are the panel manufacturers' claims, which you obviously can't trust as they have an interest to sell you the display.
I realize your comment is old. Tim from Monitors Unboxed already has burn-in on his 2024 QD-OLED that he uses as a productivity display, which you obviously shouldn't do, but there's also not much difference between running Photoshop for 700 hours and playing the same game with the same HUD for 700 hours.
I can never take Burn-in. But I can always take a higher pixel response time with ghosting but beautiful colors. I Love IPS, especially nowadays IPS since we have IPS displays having a 1ms response time! Maybe those who are obsessed with OLED, can wait until MICRO-LED comes out. Yet again it will still take years until prices go down for that, soo.... I guess I will always love IPS forever!
OLED grain bothers me too. I have an LG C1 and a Sony A95K and they are both a bit grainy and flicker on static images with one colour being displayed.
I also have the LG C1, great tv, i do agree certain scenes can be a bit grainy, in gaming, (tone mapping in COD 2019) was a little grainy, almost cloudy, until an update fixed it weeks later, haven't noticed Flickr, but, that could just be me not noticing or we both hit different tv lotteries, (out the box problems etc).
@@Mark-mu4pj Try displaying static images on RUclips with different colours (these are usually used to check for burn-in). The flickering image is most noticeable in a dark room.
Otherwise, I agree it's a great TV especially for gaming.
@@omenbrassmonkey Cheers will check that out tonight or tomorrow, yeah it's a fantastic TV for gaming, been thinking about getting the C3-G3 but to be honest i haven't had any major problems with this TV as of yet.
0:10 Anyone else reminded of Reineer Wolfcastle's standup routine?
After having OLED for years I could never go back to LED. Same goes for Switch 2. Should it have an LCD, I’ll play it exclusively on my C2 OLED.
I have both and the high end QLEDs are so close to OLED blacks they’re a better choice for me personally.
They’ve come a long way and until burn in, dead pixels and whatever else on OLEDs isn’t an issue I’ll always prefer a high end QLED/mini LED with far superior brightness.
I've been curious about upgrading from my X900E to an OLED like the S90C, but I'm not sure how much of a difference it is. Hard to tell with comparison photos on your phone.
Hi, I think you might want to consider a Sony X93L Mini LED if it is in your budget, it is at about LG C2 C3 price.
Get the s90c it's very bright for moderately lit room and bright enough sdr with infinite contrast and widest color gamet and color volume than any tv out there meaning you get the most out of any HDR content
QLEDs are somewhat in between especially the high end models and budget flagships like Hisense U8K and TCL QM8 .
Have a C2 and a U8K and sometimes I prefer the U8K for gaming because of its brightness (1200 nits!!) and almost equally deep blacks.
C2 is for my movies tho 🔥
you can get up to 2500nits on modded qd oled panel, which basically destroys everything at that level even those 2000+ lcds
@@SidorovichJr oh yea QD oled is vastly superior in every way compared to LCD tvs lol was thinking of switching my C2 for a s90c but that price range tho 😭😭😭
I'm still scared of burn in, on something that costs about a thousand dollars
My Hisense u7h native 120hz, local dimming, 1000nits, va panel 55 inch, is more than i need, i got for $459 one day deal.
Not going OLED because of the burn in problems. My daily use contains things that will increase the burn in problems: 4:3 contents with black bars, static UI elements, task bar, light theme, etc etc.
LCD’s are still a far better buy than OLED’s. The only advantage to OLED’s were deeper blacks, but full-array LCD’s have come a long way in matching that. And OLED’s can’t match the brightness of the best LCD’s. Plus OLED’s STILL have that pesky burn-in problem.
But the best LCDs cost as much or even more than OLED's. That is where LCD makes no sense
FALD LCDs are outrageously expensive and compete with OLEDs in price at the high end. Makes no sense OLED panels are better in almost all aspects, not only deeper blacks lol and by nature of OLED panels, ace HDR content
This comment should not have the upvotes it has. There's a ton of misinformation in your comment.
LG's G3 model can eclipse north of 1,400-nits in HDR on a 2% window. The Samsung QD hits around the same. And Sony's 2023 A95L hits north of 1,200-nits.
There aren't many LCD panels hitting those numbers outside of the really high end LCD panels. And even then, full-array local dimming is still nowhere near as effective as self-emitting pixel technology. There's a reason so many cinematographers use consumer market OLED panels when doubling as their master monitors in post-production. And what tech do their mastering monitors use? You guessed it: OLED.
And there are no real issues with burn-in on OLEDs. There never has been. People like you, who aren't as informed as you'd like to think you are, treat OLED as if it's plasma 2.0 -- but it's not. I have an LG B6 OLED model from fucking 2016, that STILL has no image retention whatsoever.
And since 2021, almost every consumer market OLED panel now has a heatsink dissipation layer built into it.
there is absolutetly no reason to get a good lcd tv nowdays when the new qd oleds are just as bright and have so much more advantages.
The only reason u go lcd today if u buying super budget.
Im actually with Oliver on this. I went from a Samsung 55 inch S95B to a Hisense 75 inch U8K. Much prefer the Hisense.
There's no beating the full field brightness of LED, the far smoother pixel translations is also far superior on LED with low FPS content especially movies & a must for sensitive eyes, the dark lacking OLED colour accuracy as was mentioned also a pretty major peeve of mine, though I don't mind OLED for VR though I'm constantly moving my head for that one, I've also enjoyed LED VR since the HDR is far more punchy and the grays are so much more uniform up close to your face
Have two Oleds a LG 55 C1 and a 42 C2, never seen any oled grain. And I've done a lot of testing when I got them.
It's on random sets not all have it.
It's dithering to help black levels.
Not all sets have it and yours are newer displays than the one mentioned in the video. OLED has improved a fair bit over the years.
The new Oleds are much brighter.
I'm still on a 1080p 240hz TN Panel and not really wanting to upgrade just yet.
I've plumped for an OLED TV simply because of the size. I was so torn between that and a 21:9 PC monitor but they are just simply too small after having used a LCD 50" TV for four years. For me size is the most important thing. Oo-er missus.
I have a 2018 model Philips 4k lcd and tbh im not in a mad rush to upgrade the pic is amazing still, when i do id probs get a Qled as i game for 6 plus hours a time often and screen burn would concern me plus budget wise Qleds u can pick some up cheap that review well.
I moved from an Asus xg279q (170hz IPS) with 550 nits brightness to the Asus pg27aqdm (240hz OLED) due to Best Buy breaking my IPS during repair (they gave me the full retail value despite it being almost three years old, which was amazing). The IPS was absolutely beautiful in bright HDR content, and I definitely miss that aspect of it. There's absolutely no going back once it comes to dark or mixed brightness content on the OLED, however. It genuinely feels like I upgraded my video card with how much better most images look while gaming. I'm looking forward to when we can have the best of both worlds, but at this point I'll never purchase another backlit display for my main PC.
The Samsung S90C is your best OLED option. 1000 nits even in gaming mode. 144hz refresh rate when hooked up to a PC. Full freedom to mess with all settings like motion clarity in game mode and it's a reasonable price compared to the LG G3 and Samsung S95C while being 90% as good.
What am curious about is when will we start seeing the budget tvs around 400 price point include 120hz lmao we are years in 4k tvs and already 3 years into this generation and most budget 4k tvs dont include 120hz even 2023 tvs 400-500 range just dont offer anything.
thanks for keeping the answer in for the twitter pic
Just for the sake of contrast, I'm not going to switch to an OLED screen. Especially considering the fact that they burn out (my line of work involves using a screen where a static ui is constantly displayed) and are very expensive
Been mulling switching to OLED, but have seen multiple videos saying that motion in 30 fps games is not great due to the fast pixel response time. Not all games reach 60 fps, and I don’t always want to have to play in performance mode when they do. Thoughts?
Get one with VRR and you're golden
@@gangganggang2219 the comments I’ve read were about OLEDs with VRR. It’s not the inconsistent framerate (which would affect any TV without a VRR), but the consistent stutter or choppiness visible at lower frame rates due to fast pixel response time. The solution would be to use something like True Motion that generates in between frames, but that increases input lag. I understand the latest generation of TVs allow you to turn frame generation on in game mode, but does that really work well, or does it introduce artifacts and much input lag?
Fast pixel response time is a good thing, especially with low fps, less blur that way. Most games have motion blur option to negate low fps choppiness.
I have both. In my opinion OLED is just too dim and prone to long term wear. I have an older CX and that has dead pixels all over the place and my current OLED is still just too dim.
For me until that changes I will prefer QLED, the blacks on my Samsung are very close to OLED and you have the huge upside of no burn in, dead pixels and way brighter.
So what TV does Oliver have??
18" Tevion with built in DVD player
think he has a edge lit qled
Outside OLED, Sony's X95L is getting great reviews, at least on the 85" panel.
Surprised just a qled tv. If he wants brightness he should get a mini-led. The new Samsung and LG OLED's are really bright. Those QD-OLED uses the quantum dots from QLEDs with the OLED backlit. It provides the best brightness, contrast and image quality. Just that they're really expensive.
My dad's 15-year-old PLASMA is overall better IMO than my LG G2 OLED for watching general video.
Ya, you read that right. The blacks are fairly DARK, but the main issue is the JUDDER on the OLED. My parents just leave the TV on the same settings they've been at for around 15 years or so. I have to keep switching between the motion smoothing settings depending on what I'm watching. When things are IDEAL the colors and resolution on my TV look amazing (such as Star Trek Picard Season 3. Wow!), but I guarantee my parents would be upset if I swapped out their 1080p, 46" Panasonic Plasma for my 55" LG G2 OLED.
I agree with the judder. Especially anime can look really choppy on camera pans because of the fast pixel response time on OLED displays
@@Laytonmario
Just watched a confusing video on RUclips explaining how "FILMMAKER" mode can show judder at times that isn't seen when disabling that feature. Sigh.
I have an OLED in the living room but I don't game on it due to burn in. The Panasonic MZ2000. And in the game room I have the Samsung QN95C mini LED. LEDs are 99% as good as OLED now plus no burn in issues and bright HDR. 👍
Unless you play a game for over 24 hours straight you have nothing to worry about with burn in.
no, the are not. way slower response times (meaning they are blurry in motion), bad at HDR in small scenes with bright small lights, and if you enable the fastest modes, all the post processes that make them decent get disable and they go back to looking like you're watching a screen through graphing paper.
Games are far less likely to cause burn in than desktop usage. Plus LCDs are not 99% as good as OLED
Burn-in is a total non-issue nowadays, blows my mind that people keep repeating this braindead talking point. Go take a look at WULFF DEN's videos about testing the Switch OLED in that regard: He had to leave it on the exact same screen for 1800 hours, which is *six months straight* , to get even slight burn-in. Mind you, the Switch doesn't even have any of the fancy tech modern TVs have to mitigate burn-in like pixel shifting.
@@crestofhonor2349 They are these days, the flagship models. Just go buy a couple and see. Or watch side by side video comparisons.
I haven't used an OLED before, but man, the sheer brightness and vividness of VA tvs with local dimming look absolutely incredible.
U only really need the brightness for HDR and oled is superior in HDR still
3:17 I thought Oliver said "I'll just pose for him" 🤣
Ever since I got my OLED tv a couple of years ago, I couldn't go back to LCDs. I even sold my switch lite and bought the oled model. Then bought a 15" laptop with a 4K oled screen.
So much respect for Rich and that first comment #eachoneteachone 🔥🔥🔥
I have three oleds CX, C1 and G2 and i cant game on them due to the ABL it kills it for me. Movies are incredible tough. Game on Samung Q90a and brightnes is just incredible.
whats ABL ?
Crazy to think I got a state of the art C1 in 2021 but it's already an outdated POS that will go on the dumpster soon.
@@Charlymander I think that means automatic brightness limiter.
U probably have energy settings enabled or didnt disable the ASBL and TPC dimming
I'm such a layman in terms of displays. I just have an old LCD tv, not even led and I'm fine with it
I mean it's Alex's people's fault we have the term "master race."
I'm talking about PC players, of course.
I use lcd for now. I plan to upgrade my led in the family room to oled and then use the led to replace my lcd in the play room.
I went as far as hunting down parts to bring my plasma samsung tv back to life. So I can understand XD
Only thing I'm worried about it is Black Crush. I can't play some games on my VA 4K TV because of this specially retro games idk if Oled has that problem
Also Richard is such a gentleman with that speaking🤵♂🍵
I own an LG C2 OLED and there is some black crush there. As far as I know it is a design choice by LG (probably to make sure the OLED-blacks show up more often) but I think it varies from brand to brand
The TVs with Samsung Display's new QD-OLED panels have no black crush anymore (S95C, A95L) but they cost a lot. Amazing displays. The G3 is almost on par as is the S90C.
depends on what oled u get. LG crushes black just a tiny bit wheres sony oled actually elivates black somewhat
Tell Oliver to get a Samsung S90C/S95B it has all of the colour and brightness of a QLED with OLED blacks
From the LG CX (C10) 2020 onwards, the C series is fantastic. 4K, HDR, OLED, 120hz, G-Sync, VRR, ALLM, 4x HDMI 2.1 and more. Literally can’t beat them for features.
*LG G2 OLED user here...*
I have very MIXED feelings about my TV. If I had to do it over I would NOT have purchased OLED. I can't speak to the newer G3 but it certainly will have some of the same issues:
#1) REFLECTIONS - the deep blacks are great. But. A small amount of daytime light through BLINDS and it's hard to see the screen if much of it is dark. And at NIGHT it's also an issue if there's much dark content because the light bounces off the wall. If it's MOSTLY a black screen it's not an issue (not much light to bounce). So the very DEEP BLACKS I like about OLED also are a problem at times. In a large room it's probably mostly a non-issue, especially if the walls are not as reflective as mine.
(LCD light leakage through panel causes GREYS not deep BLACKS but also mitigates the reflectivity issue. So overall I'd choose LCD unless in a very dark room with minimal reflected light)
#2) JUDDER - this really pisses me off. I'm constantly needing to switch back and forth between the same settings. I get cartoons/anime that have big judder (skipping) so I have to turn up the motion smoothing and then suddenly it's smooth. Yay. But then I have to turn it back down for movies or other content because it's got the "soap opera" effect of being too smooth... AND I still see minor judder with many shows on the default settings.
#3) Brightness - this goes along with the REFLECTIONS but it's worth noting seperately. I frequently wish the image were brighter in the daytime. I'm debating getting blinds that COMPLETELY block all the light.
#4) GAMING and DARKNESS - I haven't tested recently, so maybe this got fixed with LG updates but I tried to play SKYRIM using my PC. I was inside a TAVERN looking back at the door and it was mostly black. I think I have the "black crush" issue where what should be "grey" ends up black. So it ended up rather unplayable. On the other hand Guardians of the Galaxy looked great.
#5) Wi-Fi - this is kind of specific to my LG OLED (not just the G2) but it's been BROKEN since I bought it. It keeps disconnecting (works well enough to get LG TV updates though). There's a lot of discussion online. Even used an Ethernet USB adapter which worked but STILL got occasionaly loss of network. I COULD have just returned the TV but I'm terminally ill so I couldn't deal with it. I ended up using the Amazon FireCube (gen3) and it's awesome. I even used a Sandisk 512GB USB stick along with KODI to put a lot of movies and TV shows I ripped from my BluRay set. Works great (really tricky to get working though. I had to format to FAT32 so the Cube would recognize it, then format to NTFS on my PC even though it came as NTFS. Figured it out anyway. USB needs to be AC powered or doesn't draw too much power or it will not work with Cube... anyway, I move the Sandisk to my PC to swap video, then move back to Amazon Cube, open KODI then clean/clear the old data in the settings to remove reference to deleted movies. Awesome!)
get black curtains
Man, I have the S95B and has made me think that I cannot ever buy an LCD TV anymore.
its just superior in every way
QN95A Here.
Nobody asked, but for a PC-monitor I'm still on an IPS-panel, that 38" 1600p 21:9 UltraGear from LG, because it's a good in-between resolution, up to 160Hz (I'm already happy with 120), with good contrast, brightness, and color accuracy, albeit with kinda noticeable backlight bleed, kinda useless local dimming, but decent HDR I believe (not sure how to use it, though). - So I got something that is a good average for general image quality (resolution, colors, contrast). - But for a TV-screen for movies and some console-games, I'm also looking at the LG G panels. I love the "gallery style" design, as well as the image on them of course. But I just hope it's accurate enough, as well as resistant to "burn-out", especially since someone in my household needs to use subtitles and also regularly watches TV-channels (meaning with static icons). I know there are a bunch of mitigation-processes in place now, but I just hope it will do. Well, and also for some static game-elements, I suppose. But I will be sure to try and adjust HUDs and the like. But also a lot of games I'd play on it are more "cinematic" than crap with a lot of "stats" all over the screen. That's more for the PC-side for me.
After buying my LG CX and using it with my PS5 for 3 years I’m never going back to LCD. QLED is shit, I had one and it would massively raise or lower the brightness all at once at it was immersion breaking.
I moved from Oled to QLED and it was great. Oled is too Dark for me.
You want the SONY A95L, then
I bought a 75” tcl 4K QLED for under $1k AUD. The UI is absolute garbage but still a better deal than spending triple on an OLED that’s half the size.
My tv is 5 years old next year I'll probably want to upgrade then n yeah I'll probs get a tcl or hisense they offer amazing quality for great prices to compete with the more established brands
@@markwheeler4245 They do offer great value, but compared to a good LG, Sony or Samsung, they are definitely inferior
Honestly, with how bright my house gets, I much prefer my Samsung QN90B Neo QLED. Its blacks are as deep as an OLED (Linus did an in-depth comparison video) and its HDR capabilities are absolutely perfect. Dimming zones are not as fine as OLED is, but to me, the difference isn't even noticeable enough to care.
This is an incredible TV for gaming. 65 inches of 4K 120Hz with G-SYNC and HDR - what could be better?
An Oled?
they are not as deep as an oled. if linus did a comparison that said that, he did it wrong. it's that simple. go watch rtings reviews, not some random kid on youtube.
all it takes is a star field panning shot to show the absolutely massive difference between oled and anything less than a dual layer LCD mastering monitor
@@GraveUypo"all it takes" as if star field scenes are that common
Linus has no clue what he's talking about lmao.
@@TetraVaalBioSecurity Exactly. Linus should be the last person to be taken seriously.
LCD is absolute trash no matter how many times the industry tries to band-aid it with new names. LCD along with the DVD format are the worst things to happen to home video.
What’s wrong with DVD?
@@crestofhonor2349 Over-sharpening, film grain srubbed away, changes in color timing, no original audio (such as mono or stereo tracks) that was available on VHS and laserdisc, low-bit lossy audio.
What are you comparing DVD with, exactly? DVD is a lot more watchable than the format it replaced (VHS / Betamax).
@@marcelslofstra2157 not on a decent vcr and crt. The digitization at such low res of DVDs cause artifacts that look way worse than any subtle snow/noise of a decent vcr. LCDs again lack in so many picture qualities vs a decent crt. The early lcds were absolute garbage, and the only thing they were good for was office computers running higher rez where small text needed to be legible, and they weren't that much better.
The industry went that way far too soon because they could market "digital=better" and lower their costs/raise profit because it was cheaper for them or they could at least all collude on higher prices because new products don't have established prices to compare to.
It was a scam.
25 years later and 4k lcds and blu rays are finally making up for that
30 fps gaming looks terrible on oled screens.
Don’t the newest OLEDs from Samsung and LG have low latency frame generation that fixes this?
My CRT is still going strong.
OLED smrrrrrrrrrrr I get you man
Burn-in.
I've had my LG OLED for ~4.5 years, and use it as a daily driver for my PC, consoles and NVIDIA Shield/Blu Ray Player for movies.
I have an all-black screen-saver automatically kick in after two minutes, and I (eventually) learned to have a full-screen extension for Firefox at all times. I always let the pixel refresher run, and do the manual refresher twice a year.
Didn't matter. I still have weak-to-mild burn-in from static elements, including from my desktop background, the Windows Taskbar and a few websites where the "page" slightly changes color (Eurogamer included, I believe). It is never noticeable in movies or games, but it is noticeable with static color elements like yellow or green placed on the screen - so in cartoons like South Park, for example.
The reality of these panels is that they only last ~6 or 7 years in this use case before the burn-in gets so noticeable it needs to be replaced. I'm holding out for the rumored 240 Hz panels (don't care about 4K240 or HDMI 2.2) and will be getting another one when it hits the ~$1400 price point about 8 months after launch.
It's a shame, as it's a beautiful panel - but it still has so far to go with regards to longevity.
I will tell you that most of the oleds pre 2020 did have a good chance to burn in. But now they’ve done a much better job in my opinion. I’ve had my C1 for 3 years now and it’s still great.
Have you ever turned your OLED off? Or is it just on all the time with all black screen saver? The pixel refresher run automatically after the TV is turned off... It doesn't run if you have the TV on with a black screen saver.
My c1 has around 8000 hours of use, still zero burn in. I do use dark theme on everything, my taskbar is set to auto-hide and most importantly, my room is always very dim, i use the screen between 30 and 0% (when i just woke up or have the lights off at night) oled light most of the time. Although i have unlocked HDR brightness on SDR mode in the service menu, so all the brightness values are a bit higher than normal. and ah. i don't use a wallpaper. it's a black screen. plus i use fences to hide the icons when i'm not using them (been doing this for over 10 years)
Doesn't help that Sony for example have no anti burn in features once the tv or monitor is switched off, and LG have the full suite, making some brands made to fail so they can sell you another, a bit like the PS5.
LG’s EVO panel they started using in the C2/G2 and beyond is significantly better at resisting burn in than previous models.
the misfits, the crazy ones, the ones who change the world!
Ironically, Minion doesn't seem to be aware of the link between skinheads and the "master race"...
G3 don’t very bright ? Nah… you probably just don’t see it in person
lol y’all are coping trying to say other brands of TVs are better or comparable to oled. They’re really not, my oled cx is better than any tv I’ve owned
no ones coping but all the OLED people triggered that anyone could prefer anything else
@@Dezzyyx not really, they’re objectively better
doesn't matter, people have the right to prefer what they want, objectively better or not. My point is the one with the problem is the one bothered by the choices of others. @@Cfreezy12
High end Pioneer Plasma from 2009 still leads the pack in terms of natural image and motion.
Maybe larger OLED panels are a completely different beast but all the phone sized OLED displays I’ve used have been a big step down from LCDs I was used to. The color shifting and the smearing… 🤢
Wrong I just upgraded from 6s to 13 mini and omg it looks crisp and clear. The images are popping from the screen and the dark is really dark instead of gray.
@@bbcringegaming Good for you for not seeing it. Don't look it up in case it would ruin the display experience for you.
oleds doesnt smear, that is what lcd does
Oliver is great. Super nice guy, makes fantastic content, and speaks in such a clear way. I always enjoy his content, and he's such a vital member of this team.
That said, he's absolutely bonkers with this OLED vs LCD nonsense, lol. Going from an LCD G9 to an OLED G9 changed my life.
Been using an 8K 65" Samsung QN900B MiniLED TV as my pc monitor and it beats OLED hands down. It has OLED like blacks, very minimal blooming, super bright, highest pixel density of any TV over 32" at 135 ppi, a normal subpixel structure that produces crisp sharp text, up to 144hz in 4K, fantastic anti-glare coating, and most importantly for me, I have ZERO worry of any burn-in and I can leave anything up on my screen with no thought about it.
VA tv s are far superior to VA monitors, for u guys that think they are the same thing, especially qled, so i get what he s saying! He really knows his tv s!
most sony has the best LCD/LED in the whole market ,best of the best no doubt
LG C9 is the GOAT
Thank you Rich for addressing the “master race” term.
Ridiculous trend
Only if your a cuck.
Well said rich master race bollocks
Come on Richard, it's a joke! "Glorious PC master race" is just a meme from Zero Punctuation, it has nothing to do with good ol' Adolf.
When they fix burn in and lower the prices I'll buy OLED. But I'm not gonna spend 4x as much just to have it ruined in 2 years.
I’ve had my LG C1 for three years and game on it almost every sometimes all day. Still good. The new LGs are go to for it.
Burn in hasn't been an issue for years, but it's perpetuated by pissy people who can't afford OLED.
You can buy a OLED for under 1k.
They are not expensive and LG’s newer panels are even better at preventing burn in than the previous goes. Once you go OLED it’s hard to go back.
This is one of Olivers few L takes. Oled is just better than lcd in every scenario in terms of picture quality , except brightness output. So im wondering if Oliver plays in a really bright room without curtains.
Oliver doesnt even have a good LCD tv