No matter what happens with Bear, no one will ever be fair and put them in the same class as other companies. Sturdy bow for what they are meant for. I know the way you test its even and fair but in the end it's your opinion and i respect that. Great review. Thanks Josh
@@Popo_6961That said, I have talked to a few guys who work at the bow shops, and they said that they liked last year's Bear flagship more than the Mathews and Hoyts. I shoot an Elite, but it was interesting to hear that from guys who deal with bows all the time.
I agree. You could take the EXACT same bow, remove the Bear labels, slap a Hoyt or Matthews label on it and the "experts" would automatically rate it higher.
Thank you for this effort and all your tuning videos. You are my #1 archery source when i buy online. You explain what the bow is doing and why. I constantly try new things and you make the adventure fun.
Good work, appreciate the 28” speed and the 2nd chronograph. I think these are the best non biased bow reviews. And I can still develop my own opinion w your data.
Great review. As much hate as they get I still love my Persist. Thanks for doing the 28" test as well. Im 70lbs, 28" 465 grain at 282fps on the original Persist with custom strings.
Thank you for putting in all the effort to test these for us. THAT SAID, would be nice if you stated letoff or set to a consistent off as that makes a difference in feel and speed. Maybe test set letoff and actual. I know some manufacturers fudge that too. THANK YOU AGAIN!!
I LOVE the changes you made to scoring and adding sound, though curious of the sound with heavier arrow. Keep it up, don’t change this testing process. Absolutely agree with 650 being the heavy arrow
Thanks for sharing. I love the new grading scale and the new 28 inch speeds with a nice hunting weight shaft. It makes more sense to show those speeds on an average hunting rig. It don’t really matter how fast it shoots a blow dart when no one is hunting with blow darts. Reminds me of the old overdraw days when everyone was chasing 300 FPS.. thanks again sir and keep up the great work. Dale.
Thank you for measuring sound! I don’t think many bows are going to be annoying to shoot now days with vibration, so sound is what really counts to me. Very smart to keep the decibel reader away from the arrows impact. The scoring system this year looks great!
I agree with the two comments about the draw length error and of the noise meter needs to be at the bow and not the arrow path. The new testing/chart method will have some growing pains for sure, but it is coming together. Keep up the good work.
Love the new process. Appreciate you dropping down since I’m 27 inch draw length and shooting 420 grans gives me a better feel how it will shoot for me.
Love the new scoring system. Only thing I’d say, it’s more practical to show decibel levels at the typical hunting arrow weight. Comparing 450 grain readings seems to be more educational.
I enjoyed the arrow weights myself. I liked seeing how much trajectory was lost 😆 I've bee. Watching you for years. Very solid mfjj! I like the new process
I like the scoring system idea, I cannot use it as is. There is not real judging done on it. I would like to see it be more realistic, and not throw a number based on how you “feel” about it. One point was added for each tuning feature. That would tell you exactly how they stack up. One point reduced for every 1/4” of reflex. One point reduced for every 1/8” variance of specs length specs. One point for every tenth off spec on weight. One point for every FPS low. So one for everything. Thanks for the efforts, I am trying to be constructive, at this point I still have to come up with my own score, and it Varys if done exactly the same on each bow.
I think it's very good and I watch your reviews. I've actually been in your shop and dealt with you guys and everyone has been very helpful. I shoot bear and have been for a long time. And I'll be honest when I shot a lot of the new flagship bows (expect the Matthew's lift) it was a hard to decide which one i liked better i had to go back and look at features to narrow it down.
No issues with your process. I appreciate the provided information. Love the shorter draw length addition!! Maybe add some 60lb draw weight shots too?? Just a thought. Thanks Josh!
Love the new scoring, I think we all appreciate the system you are going for... just missing 1 thing which I think should be in there... dynamic brace height ie. Brace height at full draw
I think it’s great and just like all things, the first time is always gonna be awkward trying to find a rhythm and honestly having an extra Crono kinda gives the same people complaining about your old one more fuel about it not being correct or the same so forget them because they will never be satisfied because they can’t test bows every year, all year. Keep doing what you do and try not to change too much!
Another great review. I think when brace height is measured, it should technically be measured to the front of the string because that is where the nock actually comes in contact with the string. Or in the case of traditional archery, it's where your fingers contact the string. Which is also the front of the string. Maybe I am being picky.
Bruhhh! As a dude shooting 675 grain slim arrows, the 650 speeds are what I've been craving! Love the updates, your numbering system is getting more accurate and informative. Keep it up man 🤘🏻 But bow wise, when I upgrade my Cruiser G2 it'll be for a hoyt or a Matthews.
I like this, though it is your perspective, it’s still good for viewers and shoppers to have some idea of what these bow can do before purchasing one👍🏽
The new system is definitely more thorough and I completely agree with being more critical to leave room for expansion. An active spreadsheet on the website is a perfect addition to have for this testing and acknowledging that scores can change as you continue to tweak the testing is the way to go. Leave the arrow weights as is, adding the 28" 450g speed on top of the others gives everyone the information they need to make a pretty accurate estimation for their own particular setups. I give Bear the benefit of the doubt and think the asking price of $1250 is fair, but I completely agree that it would be a much better seller at the $1000-$1100 mark. As much as I want to see Bear keep growing, I don't think the flagship market is something they should put stock in. They have a huge chunk of the mid-low tier market and that is where they should focus their growth on. Looking forward to the new testing and seeing where the new bows stack up! Appreciate all the time and effort that goes into these, as do many many other shooters!
Well done MFJJ , a huge improvement on your review scoring , also loving the extra markers you have added in. Ant wait to see you do all of the new bows, with this new format 😃🏹
I came here to say the same thing. According to the Bear website, the claimed speed is 340 fps not 350 as stated in this video. So, for him to get 334 is REALLY good. That's a lot closer to the claimed speed than most bows come in at.
Since the Consequence 2 is basically a 2025 model for Darton I think it would be sweet if you would test that bow out using your new scoring system even though you previously tested it!
I like the new scoring system. Like the new 650 arrows and the speed difference between draw lengths. Dont listen to the haters, one chrono will work just fine. Great review but not a bow I’ll be looking at for that price
I have a Bear Whitetail legend Pro. Same cam as this one, only I payed $500 at my local shop. If I ever get a flagship bow, I’ll probably have a bias towards Bear because of how much I like my current bow. I wonder if Bear will capture a larger portion of the flagship market in the future due to people with similar experiences.
Not only are you the only one doing a good review on bows you're the only one doing honest reviews. I don't even consider purchasing a bow till I watch your reviews first as a good start point. Thanks for the content and keep it up
I like the new process! I would however like to see some tested at the longest draw length especially the bows designed for long draw archers. I have a 32” draw and i never see anyone test the bows at that length or even close to it. I really like you testing 650gr arrows and they should be tested at the longer draw as well.
Have you tested the older bows with the sound/vibration meter to give a base line? Compare last year's flagship to this year's to see if there's an improvement. Love the videos. I do like how you are impartial. Well, I hope to think you are when comparing all bows. Thanks for taking the time to educate us on all options and not just what my local seller just wants to peddle.
Josh, very informative review. I only have one suggestion, and if I missed it, I'm sorry. You are trying to be very straight forward with all the specs to be easy to compare all bows. My only complaint is I don't really see anything on valley and letoff. That is a huge thing for me as I like a comfortable valley and letoff. For your reviews, can you add that to your discussion. Again, if I missed it here, I'm sorry. But I think I've missed that feedback on the latest reviews. Thanks again for everything you do. Much appreciated.
@@bearhug72no one carries them. I bought 2 athens and 5 weeks later they folded…. People want stability from a company and knowing they will be around is important. Im done buying the smaller names. I took a bath investing in Athens. Never again. Hoyt for me
I think you did a great job and in my opinion, bear is doing good with their stuff but they’re a long way from a Hoyt or Mathews but good for them hope they still make improvements and keep up with those bows for people that want to get into archery can wait for more reviews of the new bows
Awesome scoreing system. I personally dont understand the need for extra tuning unless your changing arrow setups often. That being said sweet bow might consider a bear insteas of a bowtech mathew or hoyt this year.
2 things: Give any company bonus points for weighing in at less than advertised weight. Don't publicliy knock it by saying its loud before having any comparables. The last few years Bear's flagship has been among the quietest bows available.
Once again the Bear will get left in the dust… great bow this year. If it was $1000 it would be a serious contender. Unfortunately they don’t have the following the other big names do. Such a shame. I wonder if Cabelas will carry this model. Would love to try one out.
They made one of the best single cam bows you could buy years ago and still faster and rock solid in today's standards. One good thing is you can get these flagships for half the price in 8 months brand new at some shops. Bear has stepped it up here the past few years and they have great bows. I own Mathews and bowtech now and Hoyt and elite in years past. These new bows are just as good and accurate. Drop the price to $999 and they will sell big time and get more customers back to shooting bear .
@@johnnewcomb5162 yeah good point. The Motive 6 back in 2013 was putting out 350 fps IBO. Bear is very slept on in this day and age unfortunately. They are the only company that makes limbs in house too.
He can’t say anything good about any other bow did you see all the lifts he has to sell before the 25 models start coming in Business first all other Second just like a car salesman he is good enough to sell snowballs to an Eskimo
After seeing many Bear reviews by you, it’s shocking to me that you actually think you are not bias against Bear. In your own words “honestly” you are not being honest, just say you dislike Bear and only review them ‘cause you sell bear online.
He's bias against bear products is evident everytime he reviews them . I have never owned a bear product so view this from the outside . I made asimilar remark to his last Bear review .
Well, that's the beauty of a bias.. 😂 It's his, and not everyone will agree. If one doesn't like the bow, that's their opinion or bias. There are definitely better bow manufacturers out there. He never stated it was a "terrible bow" or anything of that nature. He's allowed to have a bias, kind of a beautiful part about the first amendment. 😂 Way to get upset over it, both of you. 🤙😂
Pse and bear still shoot as nice. If not nicer than a Mathews I own and a bowtech iron yet when people do reviews they're bias and it shows. That's okay. I don't like mohawks either hahaha!
What you are doing is awesome !! But with the scoring you should do a end of season match up with all the other bows and which one would be a better pick as a hunting bow
Like the new process but would much rather see 550 gr arrow. I don’t think Ashby was shooting a 340 FPS compound and 550 is a more useful option. Thanks for the spreadsheet love that idea!
He’s doing 30 and 28, and already takes quite a bit of time. He also explained an inch is about 10 fps. He doesn’t need to show every speed for every DL and arrow weight, he would be there for days 😂
@rmvb619 Ashby Foundation established, via the biggest study ever done in arrow penetration, that 650gr is the minimum arrow weight treshold for consistent heavy bone penetration.
Wouldn’t axel to axel measurement be from the center of the axel to the center of the other axel? Not the outside of the axel. Also curious about the brace measurement being to the back of the string? Wouldn’t you measure from the back of the grip to the front of the string where the arrow nocks?
Where on the website y’all gonna post the spreadsheet? Maybe a little early sorry but curiosity has me looking for it being I’m in the market for another bow.
I feel like your alot harsher on every bear bow because its a cheaper brand. Hoyt and Matthews in my opinion should be judged with higher standards because they are meant to be a premium brand. In my experiences I found my best bows seem to last longer and not need anywhere near as much time being tuned or fisdled with compared to other brands.
as someone who has a 31-inch draw length it would be nice to see what is available for 25. so far I'm looking at the exalt or this so I'm just waiting to see all options available
it is 340, i think he accidentally read the 350 grain arrow, instead of saying 340 fps. he said it was within 10, which is true for a 340 IBO, not for 350. so i think he just misspoke
I would like an MFJJ opinion on speed regardless of what is advertised. Like: for a 6.2” brace, relatively smooth draw,… this bow is slow/fast/middle of the road.
No matter what happens with Bear, no one will ever be fair and put them in the same class as other companies. Sturdy bow for what they are meant for. I know the way you test its even and fair but in the end it's your opinion and i respect that. Great review. Thanks Josh
Great bow but for the price like he said you can get a Mathews or a Hoyt which in many peoples opinion are better.
@@Popo_6961That said, I have talked to a few guys who work at the bow shops, and they said that they liked last year's Bear flagship more than the Mathews and Hoyts. I shoot an Elite, but it was interesting to hear that from guys who deal with bows all the time.
I agree. You could take the EXACT same bow, remove the Bear labels, slap a Hoyt or Matthews label on it and the "experts" would automatically rate it higher.
For the record, I own a Hoyt so I'm not biased toward Bear at all.
I love Bear, all I own.
Love this new scoring, please repeat the Elite Exalt 35 under this test ❤😊
I like the new format! The bear Alaskan xt is still the best bow they make at its current price and specs
New system is great. Seeing the 450 at 28in which happens to be what I shoot is awesome
Thank you for this effort and all your tuning videos. You are my #1 archery source when i buy online. You explain what the bow is doing and why. I constantly try new things and you make the adventure fun.
The look of this bow is awesome! Bear definitely have the bow aesthetics down.
Good work, appreciate the 28” speed and the 2nd chronograph. I think these are the best non biased bow reviews. And I can still develop my own opinion w your data.
Great review. As much hate as they get I still love my Persist. Thanks for doing the 28" test as well. Im 70lbs, 28" 465 grain at 282fps on the original Persist with custom strings.
I love bows, I love to know what’s new, and I love reviews. You nailed it! Thanks brother👍
Thank you for putting in all the effort to test these for us. THAT SAID, would be nice if you stated letoff or set to a consistent off as that makes a difference in feel and speed. Maybe test set letoff and actual. I know some manufacturers fudge that too. THANK YOU AGAIN!!
letoff setting also effect draw length slightly
I LOVE the changes you made to scoring and adding sound, though curious of the sound with heavier arrow. Keep it up, don’t change this testing process. Absolutely agree with 650 being the heavy arrow
Would like to see the noise difference with the heaviest arrow as well, atleast on one bow just to see the difference
Speed is claimed at 340fps. You put that mark by the arrow weight category lmao.
Thanks for sharing. I love the new grading scale and the new 28 inch speeds with a nice hunting weight shaft. It makes more sense to show those speeds on an average hunting rig. It don’t really matter how fast it shoots a blow dart when no one is hunting with blow darts. Reminds me of the old overdraw days when everyone was chasing 300 FPS.. thanks again sir and keep up the great work.
Dale.
Using the different draw lengths and arrow weights is a huge plus. Thanks for adding those to your new scoring system.
Thank you for measuring sound! I don’t think many bows are going to be annoying to shoot now days with vibration, so sound is what really counts to me. Very smart to keep the decibel reader away from the arrows impact. The scoring system this year looks great!
you do the most comprehensive test out there on all new bow models and feels like you are unbiased as well. keep up the good work man! appreciate you!
I agree with the two comments about the draw length error and of the noise meter needs to be at the bow and not the arrow path. The new testing/chart method will have some growing pains for sure, but it is coming together. Keep up the good work.
Love the new process. Appreciate you dropping down since I’m 27 inch draw length and shooting 420 grans gives me a better feel how it will shoot for me.
Love the new rating system Josh, gives a more detailed impression of the bow for all users. Great job.
Awesome, well thought out reviewing system. I appreciate the time involved and look forward to hearing how the rest of the years bows stack up!
Love the new scoring system. Only thing I’d say, it’s more practical to show decibel levels at the typical hunting arrow weight. Comparing 450 grain readings seems to be more educational.
This is the perfect all the way around testing on bows that I have seen.
Great Job!
Wow, great reviews this year! New scoring system, no hand scale, some additional tests. Great job with this new approach!
Thank you so much for doing the 28 in at 4:50. That's pretty much around what my setup is or close enough. They give me a great idea. Thank you
I enjoyed the arrow weights myself. I liked seeing how much trajectory was lost 😆
I've bee. Watching you for years. Very solid mfjj! I like the new process
I like the scoring system idea, I cannot use it as is. There is not real judging done on it. I would like to see it be more realistic, and not throw a number based on how you “feel” about it.
One point was added for each tuning feature. That would tell you exactly how they stack up.
One point reduced for every 1/4” of reflex.
One point reduced for every 1/8” variance of specs length specs.
One point for every tenth off spec on weight. One point for every FPS low.
So one for everything.
Thanks for the efforts, I am trying to be constructive, at this point I still have to come up with my own score, and it Varys if done exactly the same on each bow.
Then do your own reviews of you don’t like MFJJ’S review fool!
Love your yearly test and the continued refinement! Keep the great video’s coming.
Love the new process. Thank you for putting so much time and effort in to these bow reviews
I think it's very good and I watch your reviews. I've actually been in your shop and dealt with you guys and everyone has been very helpful. I shoot bear and have been for a long time. And I'll be honest when I shot a lot of the new flagship bows (expect the Matthew's lift) it was a hard to decide which one i liked better i had to go back and look at features to narrow it down.
Really liked the new format. Keep it up.
The 28" is great to see. Thx. All else is much improved as well
JJ love what you do!! Keep it up!! You and John Lusk are my go to for great info!!
No issues with your process. I appreciate the provided information. Love the shorter draw length addition!! Maybe add some 60lb draw weight shots too?? Just a thought. Thanks Josh!
The new test protocol is great and a spread sheet to keep track is even better. Keep it up
Love the new scoring system update. Looking forward to the Mach 33 review
Are they dropping a Mach 33 this year?
Love the new scoring, I think we all appreciate the system you are going for... just missing 1 thing which I think should be in there... dynamic brace height ie. Brace height at full draw
I wish Bear the best, they've been at it for a long time.
Yep that 650 did help with bow noise 🎉
I think it’s great and just like all things, the first time is always gonna be awkward trying to find a rhythm and honestly having an extra Crono kinda gives the same people complaining about your old one more fuel about it not being correct or the same so forget them because they will never be satisfied because they can’t test bows every year, all year. Keep doing what you do and try not to change too much!
Another great review. I think when brace height is measured, it should technically be measured to the front of the string because that is where the nock actually comes in contact with the string. Or in the case of traditional archery, it's where your fingers contact the string. Which is also the front of the string. Maybe I am being picky.
Bruhhh! As a dude shooting 675 grain slim arrows, the 650 speeds are what I've been craving! Love the updates, your numbering system is getting more accurate and informative. Keep it up man 🤘🏻
But bow wise, when I upgrade my Cruiser G2 it'll be for a hoyt or a Matthews.
I like this, though it is your perspective, it’s still good for viewers and shoppers to have some idea of what these bow can do before purchasing one👍🏽
The new system is definitely more thorough and I completely agree with being more critical to leave room for expansion. An active spreadsheet on the website is a perfect addition to have for this testing and acknowledging that scores can change as you continue to tweak the testing is the way to go.
Leave the arrow weights as is, adding the 28" 450g speed on top of the others gives everyone the information they need to make a pretty accurate estimation for their own particular setups.
I give Bear the benefit of the doubt and think the asking price of $1250 is fair, but I completely agree that it would be a much better seller at the $1000-$1100 mark. As much as I want to see Bear keep growing, I don't think the flagship market is something they should put stock in. They have a huge chunk of the mid-low tier market and that is where they should focus their growth on.
Looking forward to the new testing and seeing where the new bows stack up! Appreciate all the time and effort that goes into these, as do many many other shooters!
Well done MFJJ , a huge improvement on your review scoring , also loving the extra markers you have added in. Ant wait to see you do all of the new bows, with this new format 😃🏹
I like the 2 arrow lengths since I shoot a 28" draw. Also like the 600gr arrow.
340 rated IBO, so close as I have seen on your channel.
I came here to say the same thing. According to the Bear website, the claimed speed is 340 fps not 350 as stated in this video. So, for him to get 334 is REALLY good. That's a lot closer to the claimed speed than most bows come in at.
@@JW-bw8njPSE Mach 30 is rated @ 338 and MFJJ shot 335 fps
@@JW-bw8njHe only said 350fps because he was looking at the speed with an arrow weight of 350grains😅
Since the Consequence 2 is basically a 2025 model for Darton I think it would be sweet if you would test that bow out using your new scoring system even though you previously tested it!
I like the new scoring system. Like the new 650 arrows and the speed difference between draw lengths. Dont listen to the haters, one chrono will work just fine. Great review but not a bow I’ll be looking at for that price
I'm not even in the market for a bow this year, but I still watch all these videos.
Big improvement in the scoring method. Good job!
I have a Bear Whitetail legend Pro. Same cam as this one, only I payed $500 at my local shop. If I ever get a flagship bow, I’ll probably have a bias towards Bear because of how much I like my current bow. I wonder if Bear will capture a larger portion of the flagship market in the future due to people with similar experiences.
My $500 Alaskan has been such a fantastic (and lethal) bow, I'd absolutely look at Bear's flagships now. That wasn't the case a few years back.
They won't need to with such a bow for the $....!!
Love the hard work and great insite on all you do!!!
I liked how you did everything. Yes i think its good you went up to 650 arrows for the heavy arrow guys.
Not only are you the only one doing a good review on bows you're the only one doing honest reviews. I don't even consider purchasing a bow till I watch your reviews first as a good start point. Thanks for the content and keep it up
I like the new process! I would however like to see some tested at the longest draw length especially the bows designed for long draw archers. I have a 32” draw and i never see anyone test the bows at that length or even close to it. I really like you testing 650gr arrows and they should be tested at the longer draw as well.
love the videos and content. I'm new to archery only shooting for a month
Have you tested the older bows with the sound/vibration meter to give a base line? Compare last year's flagship to this year's to see if there's an improvement. Love the videos. I do like how you are impartial. Well, I hope to think you are when comparing all bows. Thanks for taking the time to educate us on all options and not just what my local seller just wants to peddle.
Josh, very informative review. I only have one suggestion, and if I missed it, I'm sorry. You are trying to be very straight forward with all the specs to be easy to compare all bows. My only complaint is I don't really see anything on valley and letoff. That is a huge thing for me as I like a comfortable valley and letoff. For your reviews, can you add that to your discussion. Again, if I missed it here, I'm sorry. But I think I've missed that feedback on the latest reviews. Thanks again for everything you do. Much appreciated.
Thanks for doing the 28 inch draw with the 450!
I'm so happy your now using the Garmin.
Love the content! Keep it up! Please add some lighting so its easier to see whats going on.
Waiting for Matthews, Hoyt, and bowtech bow now. I wanna buy a 2025 flag ship!
Martin Firecat...
You do realize there are other brands out there
@@bearhug72 absolutely I do but just like anything these are the brands that I like!
@@bearhug72bunch of junk, martin was good back in the 80s
@@bearhug72no one carries them. I bought 2 athens and 5 weeks later they folded…. People want stability from a company and knowing they will be around is important. Im done buying the smaller names. I took a bath investing in Athens. Never again. Hoyt for me
Don't leave out Elite when you decide. They are as good as any and better than most.
Enjoying these videos!
Definitely stepped it up. Nice work MFJJ
Fantastic review! Keep up the great work.
This guy does Thee best bow reviews on the interwebs by a long shot!
I think you did a great job and in my opinion, bear is doing good with their stuff but they’re a long way from a Hoyt or Mathews but good for them hope they still make improvements and keep up with those bows for people that want to get into archery can wait for more reviews of the new bows
What attributes would you say are keeping the Bear behind the big dogs?
Awesome scoreing system. I personally dont understand the need for extra tuning unless your changing arrow setups often. That being said sweet bow might consider a bear insteas of a bowtech mathew or hoyt this year.
2 things:
Give any company bonus points for weighing in at less than advertised weight.
Don't publicliy knock it by saying its loud before having any comparables. The last few years Bear's flagship has been among the quietest bows available.
Once again the Bear will get left in the dust… great bow this year. If it was $1000 it would be a serious contender. Unfortunately they don’t have the following the other big names do. Such a shame. I wonder if Cabelas will carry this model. Would love to try one out.
They made one of the best single cam bows you could buy years ago and still faster and rock solid in today's standards.
One good thing is you can get these flagships for half the price in 8 months brand new at some shops.
Bear has stepped it up here the past few years and they have great bows.
I own Mathews and bowtech now and Hoyt and elite in years past.
These new bows are just as good and accurate.
Drop the price to $999 and they will sell big time and get more customers back to shooting bear .
@@johnnewcomb5162 yeah good point. The Motive 6 back in 2013 was putting out 350 fps IBO. Bear is very slept on in this day and age unfortunately. They are the only company that makes limbs in house too.
I love how we're already getting 2025 bows but Josh still hasn't chosen a 2024 bow or released tuning videos on them 😂
Shot an antelope with a lift
Glaze glaze glaze. Listen man if you can't appreciate a good natured burn then MFJJ probably wouldn't be your friend.
He can’t say anything good about any other bow did you see all the lifts he has to sell before the 25 models start coming in Business first all other Second just like a car salesman he is good enough to sell snowballs to an Eskimo
wish you do the 550 as well so its every 100 grains up to the bone breaking arrow
After seeing many Bear reviews by you, it’s shocking to me that you actually think you are not bias against Bear. In your own words “honestly” you are not being honest, just say you dislike Bear and only review them ‘cause you sell bear online.
He's bias against bear products is evident everytime he reviews them . I have never owned a bear product so view this from the outside . I made asimilar remark to his last Bear review .
Well, that's the beauty of a bias.. 😂 It's his, and not everyone will agree. If one doesn't like the bow, that's their opinion or bias. There are definitely better bow manufacturers out there. He never stated it was a "terrible bow" or anything of that nature. He's allowed to have a bias, kind of a beautiful part about the first amendment. 😂 Way to get upset over it, both of you. 🤙😂
He’s being biased off of his results
They are not near as bad as some say.
Pse and bear still shoot as nice. If not nicer than a Mathews I own and a bowtech iron yet when people do reviews they're bias and it shows. That's okay. I don't like mohawks either hahaha!
What you are doing is awesome !! But with the scoring you should do a end of season match up with all the other bows and which one would be a better pick as a hunting bow
seems like a great bow bear has been doing great since the Kuma IMO
I love the new test. It is very complete.
Best review process out there.
well done and tempting but can't wait to see what the other brands with better tunability come out with
Like the new process but would much rather see 550 gr arrow. I don’t think Ashby was shooting a 340 FPS compound and 550 is a more useful option. Thanks for the spreadsheet love that idea!
"Which is an absolute pain in the ass"
Respect for calling it exactly the way it is!
Will you be going back and testing some of the older bows with this new scoring system? Like the Lift or RX-8.
Great teat set up
Scoring ata and brace is tough as that’s easily able to be changed with a couple twist. This now easily does 33 and 6 1/4 on both.
Awsome job your dad would be proud
Please keep using the 650 grain and 550 grain arrow. Also if a bow goes out to 31” could you please show speeds for that as well?
What did he say about 650 as bone breaking arrows ?
He’s doing 30 and 28, and already takes quite a bit of time. He also explained an inch is about 10 fps. He doesn’t need to show every speed for every DL and arrow weight, he would be there for days 😂
@rmvb619 Ashby Foundation established, via the biggest study ever done in arrow penetration, that 650gr is the minimum arrow weight treshold for consistent heavy bone penetration.
Wouldn’t axel to axel measurement be from the center of the axel to the center of the other axel? Not the outside of the axel. Also curious about the brace measurement being to the back of the string? Wouldn’t you measure from the back of the grip to the front of the string where the arrow nocks?
I like the new process. But with the decimal meter so far away I’m curious if you’re picking up the bow noise or the arrow noise?
Where on the website y’all gonna post the spreadsheet? Maybe a little early sorry but curiosity has me looking for it being I’m in the market for another bow.
See if you can add “powerstroke” to the list of measurements. That would be awesome 😎
I do like that Bear offers 55-70lb draw range. Not sure why others don’t do that.
I liked the heavier arrow being in there.
draw length should be from the web of the grip to noching point
Would love to see the decibel difference between the heavy and light arrows
Where can I find the link that compares bows on your website? I've been all over podium archer and I can't seem to find it.
I feel like your alot harsher on every bear bow because its a cheaper brand. Hoyt and Matthews in my opinion should be judged with higher standards because they are meant to be a premium brand. In my experiences I found my best bows seem to last longer and not need anywhere near as much time being tuned or fisdled with compared to other brands.
as someone who has a 31-inch draw length it would be nice to see what is available for 25. so far I'm looking at the exalt or this so I'm just waiting to see all options available
I would love to see bear make a short bow. Personally, to many in the 30 inch range
The bow is it a 340 ibo bow or 350?
You marked it down and said 340 in the beginning of the video.
it is 340, i think he accidentally read the 350 grain arrow, instead of saying 340 fps. he said it was within 10, which is true for a 340 IBO, not for 350. so i think he just misspoke
I would like an MFJJ opinion on speed regardless of what is advertised. Like: for a 6.2” brace, relatively smooth draw,… this bow is slow/fast/middle of the road.
Love the system. Lol it does bother me when you constantly say "brace height-th. 😂
Bear needs a fusion finish. Hope their strings improved over the years