Come on now, speed isn’t close… if it was any other brand you’d be deducting major points and wouldn’t bring up the speed to specs ratios… I get it, you don’t want to piss Mathew’s off but I don’t think you’re being completely unbiased… keep up the Best Bow Reviews on the internet! I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into these videos and I do consider your opinions when it comes to bows/ accessories
I think it’s more than it’s getting the speeds it is for its size and specs, more so than it being accurate to what’s advertised. Does it hit the 343 number? No. Is it still very fast for its dimensions? Yes
I finally found a left handed 33 in stock and was able to shoot it a bit. I decided to pick it up, spend some time with it, and wanted to report out my real world findings. To be honest, I was very skeptical about this bow when I first saw the release of it. When I first inspected one in person, my skepticism grew. You can literally grab the cam and bend it around in all directions (of course with the bow at brace) as the limbs are so skinny they just flex like crazy. I was worried about that from a durability standpoint. I was also worried about the cams being very, very skeletonized. They seem like they would be easy to bend, etc. Those were some initial observations before I got to shoot one. I got to shoot one and my first reaction was 1) the draw cycle is very linear, just stiff 2) there is no valley (even at 85%) 3) the vibe/shock after the shot is more than the Phase 4 and 4) the riser length adds to stability significantly 5) something different in the grip where your thumb fits is improved. I shot it with both C and D draw length mods and landed on taking it home with the C mod. I bought the bow and took it home (we do our own set up and tuning at home)...... Set up was easy. With a center shot rest we had a perfect bullet hole with ZERO top hat changes or any other changes. The Match strings are an improvement over the Zebra, not sure how much of an improvement but they are better. They are thinner and they did settle very quickly and my peep locked in. So I just started shooting it for a few days. The bow has a very clean shot cycle, very clean release. With it all set up, the vibe/shock was mostly gone. I got used to the draw cycle being stiff. I never did like the lack of a valley. My style of shooting my hinge is to relax/elongate the palm of my hand and that style does not work well with a bow with no valley. As I shot it, I realized the C mod was making me feel a bit long. I was not stable at full draw and could feel being a bit overextended. My shop still had the D mods, so I switched to them and now I was too short, feeling scrunched up. When I am scrunched up, I have hand torque. For me, having the draw length perfect is a huge issue, as I finally found out how well I shoot when my draw length is spot on. It matters hugely! So, sadly, I am caught between a D and C on this new Mathews cam and not comfortable at either. Note on the previous Mathews cam the D mod worked well for me). Yes, could I twist strings and/or remove the grip and/or fiddle with D loop length or even my release neck length (different releases) - yes I could do all of that to try and get the Lift 33 to fit my draw length. Since I have other bows I shoot well, I did not want to put that level of effort into the Lift, so I sold it/traded it. As long as Mathews runs this newest cam with the 1/2" draw length limits, I am probably out of luck with Mathews. Conclusion, while I can't speak to the long term durability of the bow/cams, if your draw length fits one of the draw mods and if you are OK with no valley, this bow could be a great choice for you. Thank you.
I think you do a better job testing these bows than anyone else out there. Don’t listen to all the haters. The majority appreciate your hard work. Thank you
These reviews definitely get me wanting new gear so in that regard, they’re great and super informative. Thanks always for the quick, precise information homies!
Great review! I’m a Mathews fan but the 343 ibo is crazy. Mathews should just be honest. Most consumers would rather see the accurate number upfront instead of buying and being surprised it’s 20 fps slow.
Just so you know, the bow is not rated IBO it’s rated ATA which is a completely different spec. Also, it says up to 343 which means maxed out at the 31 1/2 inch draw
I have a question regarding maxing out the cam and the opposite. For example take a bow with a cam that's 28.5 - 32.5. At max you are getting speed but a rougher draw, at minimum are you getting better stability but more of a slug? Is that correct? and when choosing a bow/cam should you look for a happy medium?
You were up early MFJJ!!🤣 I'm also noticing a theme - when you are reviewing bows you wear a T-Shirt of another (aka rival) manufacturer. Nice way to show your impartiality. Keep up the great work.
I love your reviews!!! You would be the real MVP if you could do the same speed tests you're already doing but with the maxed out draw length and 80 lbs draw weight. You're the perfect person to do this as you run the shop.
Yup. Reflex measured 2" on the lift 29 and was brushed off but bashed another brand for it being 2", didn't switch another brands let off to see if it mattered. Enjoy the vids but definitely biased towards mathews
Mathews does it again! I’m still shooting a Traverse (best shooting bow I’ve ever put in my hands). Looking forward to checking this out and possibly making a purchase 👀 Love the review!
What I'd really like to see in next year's reviews is Axle to axle length and string angle at full draw. (at 28" since that's about the happy medium for draw lengths out there) But I guess 30" is easier to do and be consistent with. Should be really telling if a bow fits or not.
I use to shoot a Matthews bow and did so for many years. One of the things I really enjoyed was a small profile and light weight. Interesting to see a move it that direction.
Great video. I watched the 29.5 also and both seem like top contenders. I'm in the market and looking at the Phase 4 and the Lift to see where I can get the best bow for myself. Next step is going into the archery shop and shooting them. Thanks for all the effort and honest content you put into these videos.
MFJJ, you have totally started a movement in the companies to show up or shut up with their products. Dare I say you are our voice?! Keep up the great work and shouting from the rooftop for us. Saying want more from the companies and their products for the price.
Yep, worth the upgrade from the V3x. Thanks for an honest eval. I shot the 33 this morning and the weight loss is very noticeable when you pick it up. Smoother draw cycle than my V3x 33 too.
Totally. The second I held a 33 at my local shop, it was wayyyy lighter than my V3X 29 lol. And the LIFT 33 had both stabs on them. Drew it back and the 70# mod felt like pulling a 60#. It's a totally new bow, from the riser, cams, and even the string/cable lol.
@@the_atomic_punk487nice! I’m still waiting for my LIFT 33” to get to my pro shop. Taking a while to get here. I may as well wait for the 2025 Mathews 😂🤣😂
I am really excited about this bow! I've previously owned a PSE with the EC cams (loved), and a Hoyt RX-7 Ultra (also loved) - but this year Mathews has convinced me to try a new brand. To get a bow with good speeds, great riser geometry and specs, and which is compatible with their engage limb system? Sold!
Another outstanding and comprehensive review! As has been mentioned numerous times, yours are the only reviews that I trust to be honest and objective. I'm not a Mathews fanboy, nor am I a hater. Since the days of the Monster series, they've always felt top-heavy to me and I still believe the Switchback is one of the best bows ever made.
You would think Mathews would leave the metal riser, but they continue to innovate with something. Coming back with the McPherson series "like" Monster cams is interesting on this platform. Good review!
It would be interesting to see some reviews on the obsession bows since Martin took them over.... The customer service in customizability is very good.
I just got back from my local shop and shot it. And I like that cam better than my v3x 33. I shot it the new hoyt and a ss34 all in a row and the draw and back wall are more to my liking on the new lift. But the lift has a pretty good twang in the riser. The ss34 I shot was just a jump with no twang if that makes sense. If I wasn’t into tinkering I would have stuck with Mathews. But bowtech fits my tendencies to tinker.
I am still loving shooting my Mathews Vertix. It is so smooth and quiet, and accurate as can be. My only gripe about it is that I wish the draw cycle was a tad less harsh at the start. Otherwise it’s been a joy, definitely the best now I have ever owned. I would like to move back to a slightly longer ATA so this will more than likely be the ticket for me. But I’m probably still keeping the Vertix…
Wondering what difference in string angle there is between Phase 4 29" and Lift 29.5. That would be a solid video and you could explain a lot about string angle. I had to adjust my V3X 29 a quarter inch longer than normal to get nose to touch.
This is the bow I’ve been waiting for since the halon with Mathews. I look at many people, and many bows, and it just doesn’t seem like much has changed in a drastic enough manner since the halon (for me-mr budget minded guy), to spend that kind of $ on a new bow that’s only a couple of things different from the last 3-4. Now that bow right there is substantially different enough, and feature ridden enough, I’ve say a halon, I might take a good look at it.
I wonder if the angle of the limbs at draw will make the let off % add more speed than a normal bows mod change. Would like to see the speed test re done with 80% mods to confirm the speed for sure.
Would you say if im at 29.5” draw length and i shot the 29.5 ata model it would still be much nicer on the draw cycle even just half in off the max setting, instead of maxed at 30 like you stated here?
According to Lancaster Archery’s review, Mathews is doing a IBO rating on their speed which 80#, 400grn arrow and the max draw length of cam. As opposed to the speed test Lancaster did which they said was ATA speed rating which they said is 70#, 350 grn at 30”. That’s why your speed test is off 12-13 feet per second.
Great Review. Did you over look the mod let off that was mentioned at the beginning of the video? If that is 4 to 5 fps, then thats a bit better. 🤷♂️ I could be wrong, just saying.
@@Brian-Urban9048 his normal threshold is 10fps slow to be acceptable so to get a 4/5 is unusual. SR350 was off big, he called it out, bowtech hasn’t fudged speed since. Wish he’d hit Mathews a little harder so they’d work to get closer to spec.
@rwhite7361 his 4/5 really surprised me! I really love his reviews and the unbiased opinions. The fact that the published speed is so far off seems like an advertising pants-on-fire move. He usually holds true. He has the absolute best reviews on the interwebs. The 4? It was a headscratcher for me.
@@Brian-Urban9048 maybe there was some mafia type insinuations when he was hunting at the proving ground, he usually doesn’t waiver. I still love his reviews and will watch everything his channels pump out
New sub. You're thorough but not dry. I've been trying to justify a new bow for years, but 20fps and less vibration doesn't justify $1k+. Guess I'll just keep doing string/ cable every few years.
Yes Mathews makes a solid product. It can't be denied. I think you are trying to make a fair system of reviews. But it detracts from that when you make excuses for a bow like you did here. You added an imaginary 4 fps to it because of a mod that isn't even available yet. You said the draw length was off but it's ok because it's better than last year's model. I don't think you are a Mathews schill. But you definitely threw them a softball. I just watched the Hoyt review and you weren't as forgiving for things. FYI I'm not a Hoyt fanboy either. I shoot a Bowtech and love it.
The most thorough reviews on YT. Looks like Mathews addressed all of the things the keyboard warriors cry about when it comes to their bows. Def an impressive release and when you compare it to the carbon price tags, it's a bargain. Do the engage stand legs still work with this bow?
The best product or person always has the most haters. I got a fully loaded phase 4 33 after trading my carbon one. Best decision yet. I’d be buying the lift if i could find one used!
Is this the highest scoring bow you’ve done on this series? I been holding out for a new bow for couple years waiting on Cinderella, and this looks like it may be her??
Josh, I might argue that the IBO was tested at 80#. We all know that the heavier weight will IBO slightly higher, maybe 3 feet per second? Add 5 grains of weight for the nock point and D-loop lets say 1-2 fps. Then add another 4 fps for an 80% LO module. So, 3+1+4=8 fps you could add when accounting for the discrepancy in speed. I think with the 350 grain arrow you got like 326? Add 8 fps to that and you would be at 334 fps. That is within your 10 point range of leniency. I am excited about this bow for sure. As always, nice review. You do good work man, thank you.
Now that all of the reviews are out, I think this is the fastest 33 ata other then the Core SR. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm curious to see what's the bow from 32-34 ata with the best linear draw and speed compromise
I would love that PSE would allow You to test the Nock on version as I was very impressed with Mach 30 and Dudley just presented the NockOn 30 ES. It costs a bag of money to get in to Europe so would love to see a n independent review before investing.
For longer draw lengths, 31 and up, how does this stack up against the Hoyt Highline? Saw your unboxing video but couldn't find the follow up/second one you mentioned. How does it measure up on the vibration, and shooting heavy arrows 650 or so? Thanks
I think that is a great mathews bow im going to go shoot every bow at wilde arrow pro shop here in clear field utah but I'm liking that Mathews Either that or BOWTECH
$1400 is insane. While I’m intrigued by the lighter weight and better strings,I can’t justify upgrading from my v3 I love my bow. I’m also glad to see that they’re starting to switch up the technology, it seemed like they’ve been making the same bow ever since the halon.
Come on now, speed isn’t close… if it was any other brand you’d be deducting major points and wouldn’t bring up the speed to specs ratios… I get it, you don’t want to piss Mathew’s off but I don’t think you’re being completely unbiased… keep up the Best Bow Reviews on the internet! I really appreciate all the time and effort you put into these videos and I do consider your opinions when it comes to bows/ accessories
I think it’s more than it’s getting the speeds it is for its size and specs, more so than it being accurate to what’s advertised. Does it hit the 343 number? No. Is it still very fast for its dimensions? Yes
Same for the vibration.
@@jakeroberts9307bowtech core sr is about the same spec with far more faster speed with less vibration
@@jakeroberts9307 It's not though lol
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I finally found a left handed 33 in stock and was able to shoot it a bit. I decided to pick it up, spend some time with it, and wanted to report out my real world findings. To be honest, I was very skeptical about this bow when I first saw the release of it. When I first inspected one in person, my skepticism grew. You can literally grab the cam and bend it around in all directions (of course with the bow at brace) as the limbs are so skinny they just flex like crazy. I was worried about that from a durability standpoint. I was also worried about the cams being very, very skeletonized. They seem like they would be easy to bend, etc. Those were some initial observations before I got to shoot one.
I got to shoot one and my first reaction was 1) the draw cycle is very linear, just stiff 2) there is no valley (even at 85%) 3) the vibe/shock after the shot is more than the Phase 4 and 4) the riser length adds to stability significantly 5) something different in the grip where your thumb fits is improved. I shot it with both C and D draw length mods and landed on taking it home with the C mod. I bought the bow and took it home (we do our own set up and tuning at home)......
Set up was easy. With a center shot rest we had a perfect bullet hole with ZERO top hat changes or any other changes. The Match strings are an improvement over the Zebra, not sure how much of an improvement but they are better. They are thinner and they did settle very quickly and my peep locked in. So I just started shooting it for a few days. The bow has a very clean shot cycle, very clean release. With it all set up, the vibe/shock was mostly gone. I got used to the draw cycle being stiff. I never did like the lack of a valley. My style of shooting my hinge is to relax/elongate the palm of my hand and that style does not work well with a bow with no valley.
As I shot it, I realized the C mod was making me feel a bit long. I was not stable at full draw and could feel being a bit overextended. My shop still had the D mods, so I switched to them and now I was too short, feeling scrunched up. When I am scrunched up, I have hand torque. For me, having the draw length perfect is a huge issue, as I finally found out how well I shoot when my draw length is spot on. It matters hugely! So, sadly, I am caught between a D and C on this new Mathews cam and not comfortable at either. Note on the previous Mathews cam the D mod worked well for me). Yes, could I twist strings and/or remove the grip and/or fiddle with D loop length or even my release neck length (different releases) - yes I could do all of that to try and get the Lift 33 to fit my draw length. Since I have other bows I shoot well, I did not want to put that level of effort into the Lift, so I sold it/traded it. As long as Mathews runs this newest cam with the 1/2" draw length limits, I am probably out of luck with Mathews.
Conclusion, while I can't speak to the long term durability of the bow/cams, if your draw length fits one of the draw mods and if you are OK with no valley, this bow could be a great choice for you. Thank you.
Thanks for typing tgat out. Are you able to compare the vibration to the VXR? I have no frame of reference beyond that
@@hall0341 I had a VXR 31.5. I would say the LIFT is more dead than the VXR. V3X, Phase 4, LIFT..........all very dead in reality.
I think you do a better job testing these bows than anyone else out there. Don’t listen to all the haters. The majority appreciate your hard work. Thank you
These reviews definitely get me wanting new gear so in that regard, they’re great and super informative. Thanks always for the quick, precise information homies!
Great review! I’m a Mathews fan but the 343 ibo is crazy. Mathews should just be honest. Most consumers would rather see the accurate number upfront instead of buying and being surprised it’s 20 fps slow.
Just so you know, the bow is not rated IBO it’s rated ATA which is a completely different spec. Also, it says up to 343 which means maxed out at the 31 1/2 inch draw
Ibo is with 80lb limbs
Website says Ibo this year.
An naked string
I have a question regarding maxing out the cam and the opposite. For example take a bow with a cam that's 28.5 - 32.5. At max you are getting speed but a rougher draw, at minimum are you getting better stability but more of a slug? Is that correct? and when choosing a bow/cam should you look for a happy medium?
You were up early MFJJ!!🤣 I'm also noticing a theme - when you are reviewing bows you wear a T-Shirt of another (aka rival) manufacturer. Nice way to show your impartiality. Keep up the great work.
Always thorough and impressive review. Thank you for doing what you do!
Great review as always. Thanks MFJJ and crew.
You are the only one I truly trust when it comes to reviews! Love your products, love your honesty and absolutely love your content.
Another great review, great to hear that it comes with quality strings!! Thank you
Love the Hoyt Matthews t shirt mismatches you’ve been doing….but deep down it’s so clear you’re a Matthews guy!
I love your reviews!!! You would be the real MVP if you could do the same speed tests you're already doing but with the maxed out draw length and 80 lbs draw weight. You're the perfect person to do this as you run the shop.
Great review! Always look forward to them!
Thank you for helping me buy a bow. Best reviews!
18 fps slower than advertised and still gives them a “4” 🤔. Was the Alpha X on 80%? Love the reviews but let’s keep it on unbiased testing.
Yup. Reflex measured 2" on the lift 29 and was brushed off but bashed another brand for it being 2", didn't switch another brands let off to see if it mattered. Enjoy the vids but definitely biased towards mathews
Looks like an awesome bow!! Thank you for another great review.
Thank you for the video MFJJ, always enjoy seeing the new equipment and your reviews! Wish I could trade in my V3X 33 for one.
Mathews does it again! I’m still shooting a Traverse (best shooting bow I’ve ever put in my hands). Looking forward to checking this out and possibly making a purchase 👀 Love the review!
Same here.
Dude, your reviews are great. No bs
It is the best bow on the market right now hands down. The only other bow that even sniffs it is the Hoyt.
Been waiting for this review 🔥
Love your reviews I’m coming up there next year 🤙🏽keep up the great videos
I'm so glad you're talking about the actual features in these reviews now, instead of just checking factory specs..
What I'd really like to see in next year's reviews is Axle to axle length and string angle at full draw. (at 28" since that's about the happy medium for draw lengths out there) But I guess 30" is easier to do and be consistent with. Should be really telling if a bow fits or not.
I use to shoot a Matthews bow and did so for many years. One of the things I really enjoyed was a small profile and light weight. Interesting to see a move it that direction.
Once again..... great review. 👍
i kept refreshing youtube to see MFJJ's review!
Goddamnit same
Same
PJ did a good review too
Ditto lol
Same
People don’t even care that it’s 20 slow. Still going to run out and buy it, then pretend it’s really a 343 bow.
Great video. I watched the 29.5 also and both seem like top contenders. I'm in the market and looking at the Phase 4 and the Lift to see where I can get the best bow for myself. Next step is going into the archery shop and shooting them. Thanks for all the effort and honest content you put into these videos.
The Mathews shirt during the Hoyt review and now the Hoyt shirt during the Mathews review. I love it so much 🤣
Impressive bow. What a set of features. Just wish their accessories were less expensive…
Great review as always. Might be time to upgrade my Mathews.
MFJJ, you have totally started a movement in the companies to show up or shut up with their products. Dare I say you are our voice?! Keep up the great work and shouting from the rooftop for us. Saying want more from the companies and their products for the price.
About time lol, been waiting all morning
Yep, worth the upgrade from the V3x. Thanks for an honest eval. I shot the 33 this morning and the weight loss is very noticeable when you pick it up. Smoother draw cycle than my V3x 33 too.
Totally. The second I held a 33 at my local shop, it was wayyyy lighter than my V3X 29 lol. And the LIFT 33 had both stabs on them. Drew it back and the 70# mod felt like pulling a 60#. It's a totally new bow, from the riser, cams, and even the string/cable lol.
@@cozycare1655I’m thinking of making the switch from my v3x 29, shooting the 33 next week
@@the_atomic_punk487nice! I’m still waiting for my LIFT 33” to get to my pro shop. Taking a while to get here. I may as well wait for the 2025 Mathews 😂🤣😂
Hoyt Nitrum 34 2015! was 4.2, and had an honest 330 FPS, which is about what the 33 does (70# 30" 350gn)
Bow technology truly is stagnant.
I have an Xpedition Denali, under 4 lbs, 345 IBO (claimed).
Best bow reviews on the internet. Kudos!
Yeah, That score for speed is a little too lenient, you don’t do it for anybody else don’t do it for Matthews. Keep up the good work bud
Great review. Definitely the best bow on the market by a long shot.
I really like the black accessories on the solids
Thank goodness MFJJ takes in trade ins on their Mathews. Cant wait to pick one up
Great review!
I am really excited about this bow! I've previously owned a PSE with the EC cams (loved), and a Hoyt RX-7 Ultra (also loved) - but this year Mathews has convinced me to try a new brand. To get a bow with good speeds, great riser geometry and specs, and which is compatible with their engage limb system? Sold!
Thank you Josh. For every inch of draw length, is there a consistent reduction in speed? at a 28.5 DL, what speeds could you expect?
I love how you put the Hoyt shirt on for this one, and wore the Mathews shirt for the Hoyt review...... no discrimination here hahaha
Martin Bows used to do the fade colors and I really liked it
Fantastic reviews. Change to a 10 scale next year and have a chart printed so it’s easier for us to see.
Awesome review
Another outstanding and comprehensive review! As has been mentioned numerous times, yours are the only reviews that I trust to be honest and objective. I'm not a Mathews fanboy, nor am I a hater. Since the days of the Monster series, they've always felt top-heavy to me and I still believe the Switchback is one of the best bows ever made.
Heck ya so excited to see someone put a 80lb mod on at 30 inches see some speeds!
Says 2023 i the heading ;) great review as always
You would think Mathews would leave the metal riser, but they continue to innovate with something. Coming back with the McPherson series "like" Monster cams is interesting on this platform. Good review!
It would be interesting to see some reviews on the obsession bows since Martin took them over.... The customer service in customizability is very good.
I just got back from my local shop and shot it. And I like that cam better than my v3x 33. I shot it the new hoyt and a ss34 all in a row and the draw and back wall are more to my liking on the new lift. But the lift has a pretty good twang in the riser. The ss34 I shot was just a jump with no twang if that makes sense. If I wasn’t into tinkering I would have stuck with Mathews. But bowtech fits my tendencies to tinker.
Awesome job on the review. I would like to see a review on the Mathew’s Atlas. I know it’s not a flagship but 🤷🏼♂️🤷🏼♂️
Love the video. And nice shirt lol
I will be curious to see the speed once they get the 80% mods.
I am still loving shooting my Mathews Vertix. It is so smooth and quiet, and accurate as can be. My only gripe about it is that I wish the draw cycle was a tad less harsh at the start. Otherwise it’s been a joy, definitely the best now I have ever owned. I would like to move back to a slightly longer ATA so this will more than likely be the ticket for me. But I’m probably still keeping the Vertix…
Wondering what difference in string angle there is between Phase 4 29" and Lift 29.5. That would be a solid video and you could explain a lot about string angle. I had to adjust my V3X 29 a quarter inch longer than normal to get nose to touch.
This is the bow I’ve been waiting for since the halon with Mathews. I look at many people, and many bows, and it just doesn’t seem like much has changed in a drastic enough manner since the halon (for me-mr budget minded guy), to spend that kind of $ on a new bow that’s only a couple of things different from the last 3-4. Now that bow right there is substantially different enough, and feature ridden enough, I’ve say a halon, I might take a good look at it.
I wonder if the angle of the limbs at draw will make the let off % add more speed than a normal bows mod change.
Would like to see the speed test re done with 80% mods to confirm the speed for sure.
Would you say if im at 29.5” draw length and i shot the 29.5 ata model it would still be much nicer on the draw cycle even just half in off the max setting, instead of maxed at 30 like you stated here?
How are they to tune in regarding putting in a press? Do you need special attachment for the press because of the limb attachment
According to Lancaster Archery’s review, Mathews is doing a IBO rating on their speed which 80#, 400grn arrow and the max draw length of cam. As opposed to the speed test Lancaster did which they said was ATA speed rating which they said is 70#, 350 grn at 30”. That’s why your speed test is off 12-13 feet per second.
Same old boat paddle I just picked up a Prime Rev x 34 incredible !!! Done with Mathews
Wish we had a prime dealer here. I'd like to try one, but not gonna mess with the mods.
I would love to know what you thought about the draw cycler difference between the SR and the new Mathews 33. Speeds seem the same.
Great Review.
Did you over look the mod let off that was mentioned at the beginning of the video?
If that is 4 to 5 fps, then thats a bit better. 🤷♂️
I could be wrong, just saying.
Can you give us a short draw length speed test? Somewhere between 25-27?
I would say the speed loss is in the LCA scale. Most read about 3-4 lbs over. Maybe check it on another scale?
Lmao trying not to piss off the big dog. Getting a 4/5 on speed despite being that off big time is wild.
By wild, do mean insanely biased for the underdog?
@@Brian-Urban9048 his normal threshold is 10fps slow to be acceptable so to get a 4/5 is unusual. SR350 was off big, he called it out, bowtech hasn’t fudged speed since. Wish he’d hit Mathews a little harder so they’d work to get closer to spec.
@rwhite7361 his 4/5 really surprised me! I really love his reviews and the unbiased opinions. The fact that the published speed is so far off seems like an advertising pants-on-fire move. He usually holds true. He has the absolute best reviews on the interwebs. The 4? It was a headscratcher for me.
@@Brian-Urban9048 maybe there was some mafia type insinuations when he was hunting at the proving ground, he usually doesn’t waiver. I still love his reviews and will watch everything his channels pump out
Try 80 pound mods with 80% let off. You’ll get that speed
I love the Hoyt t shirt!!…
I would love to see you review the Obsession vengance
New sub. You're thorough but not dry. I've been trying to justify a new bow for years, but 20fps and less vibration doesn't justify $1k+. Guess I'll just keep doing string/ cable every few years.
You did a hoyt review wearing a mathews shirt now doing a mathews review wearing a hoyt shirt. Love it 😂
Was coming here to say this... nothing like wearing a Hoyt shirt during a Mathews review 😂
@@batt3687 exact ha ha the new alphaX 33 lookkkss fireeee
When you shoot a lot what are you looking for when you see wear? When would you see wear on a bow that wears poorly/fast?
I still want a left handed V3X 33 lol..
A nice bow either way 👍
Yes Mathews makes a solid product. It can't be denied. I think you are trying to make a fair system of reviews. But it detracts from that when you make excuses for a bow like you did here. You added an imaginary 4 fps to it because of a mod that isn't even available yet. You said the draw length was off but it's ok because it's better than last year's model. I don't think you are a Mathews schill. But you definitely threw them a softball. I just watched the Hoyt review and you weren't as forgiving for things. FYI I'm not a Hoyt fanboy either. I shoot a Bowtech and love it.
is the draw # 45-55 or just 55/ for the low #?
may you please do a comp with hoyt pse bowtech 30" or less ATA? I am wanting to switch from what I have but would love a good comp. Thank you.
Still using and loving my VXR. No need to upgrade.
The most thorough reviews on YT. Looks like Mathews addressed all of the things the keyboard warriors cry about when it comes to their bows. Def an impressive release and when you compare it to the carbon price tags, it's a bargain. Do the engage stand legs still work with this bow?
Yea, but they didn't. The only things people btch about are the cams, and grip. They changed the cams. That's about all.
The way they have the above limb axles,didn't the old mcpherson series monsters have those? I miss that bow!
PSE did this in the 80's
The best product or person always has the most haters. I got a fully loaded phase 4 33 after trading my carbon one. Best decision yet. I’d be buying the lift if i could find one used!
i notice a hoyt shirt when testing Mathews and a mathews shirt when testing a hoyt. very unbiased of you
Is this the highest scoring bow you’ve done on this series? I been holding out for a new bow for couple years waiting on Cinderella, and this looks like it may be her??
Possible to get the 80lb tests on the 33.5 and the 29.5?
That bow is pretty fricking sweet and might just get me to give up m carbon bow.
At a 30" draw would you take this over the Bowtech Core SR ????? or which between the two ??
Josh, I might argue that the IBO was tested at 80#. We all know that the heavier weight will IBO slightly higher, maybe 3 feet per second? Add 5 grains of weight for the nock point and D-loop lets say 1-2 fps. Then add another 4 fps for an 80% LO module. So, 3+1+4=8 fps you could add when accounting for the discrepancy in speed. I think with the 350 grain arrow you got like 326? Add 8 fps to that and you would be at 334 fps. That is within your 10 point range of leniency. I am excited about this bow for sure. As always, nice review. You do good work man, thank you.
Don't they determine IBO without fletchings as well?
@@gfoster3434 Not sure. Either way, the measurable difference at that distance would probably be less than 1fps.
Now that all of the reviews are out, I think this is the fastest 33 ata other then the Core SR. Correct me if I'm wrong. I'm curious to see what's the bow from 32-34 ata with the best linear draw and speed compromise
I would love that PSE would allow You to test the Nock on version as I was very impressed with Mach 30 and Dudley just presented the NockOn 30 ES. It costs a bag of money to get in to Europe so would love to see a n independent review before investing.
What ended up being your go to setup for this year?
JJ, your my new go to channel after a long work day. Put your review of this on before watching my buddies over at TheHuntingPublic
Worth the upgrade from a VXR 31.5? fyi...I'm a 31" draw length and shoot 70# if that matters.
Do have all the results of your reviews in one place to go over by chance ?
For longer draw lengths, 31 and up, how does this stack up against the Hoyt Highline? Saw your unboxing video but couldn't find the follow up/second one you mentioned. How does it measure up on the vibration, and shooting heavy arrows 650 or so? Thanks
I think that is a great mathews bow im going to go shoot every bow at wilde arrow pro shop here in clear field utah but I'm liking that Mathews Either that or BOWTECH
Interested to see what it shoots for speed with limb bolts maxed out like it came…
$1400 is insane. While I’m intrigued by the lighter weight and better strings,I can’t justify upgrading from my v3 I love my bow. I’m also glad to see that they’re starting to switch up the technology, it seemed like they’ve been making the same bow ever since the halon.
Ok just an idea. Can I buy the lift cams and put them on my phase four to accomplish the same thing?