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The PROBLEM with MICRO FLAKES..
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Micro Flakes in Plasti Dip? Why does DYC suggest you stay away and stick to pearls? We show you today the challenges you could face when using microflakes in Plasti Dip and DYC TopCoat.
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What do you think... is it worth it?
at that point you may as well just have it painted. You could always Dip over the paint if you get tired of it!
Logic and budget be damned, that flake is gorgeous! I think I'd use it over deep sea blue on my van or maybe my kei car.
Need a part time job to support my habit, LOL.
The results on the small scale is awesome but I don’t have the budget for my truck, Jeep and trailers. I’ll have to stick with pearls
I wouldn't want that look on my whole car anyway. I think it looks better when highlighting details, trim, emblems or possibly even rhe wheels. I have used similar flakes on normal rattle can paint before, painting a pair of subwoofer baskets for my diy subs. And it looks awesome. So for smaller stuff, i'd definitely use it. And I am thinking of trying spectra flakes on the centerpiece of my 3piece wheels as well.
I like the honesty on this video. not trying to push something that isn't what the customer would expect. respect on that.
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The one comment that really stuck out was: "This is not a long term play for us as a business". That sort of honesty and dedication to making sure the customer gets the best outcome possible, whilst safeguarding the business is something that deserves praise. Well done!
Really appreciate the honesty towards your customers 🙏🏻
I want that how di get it
I love the honesty and transparency. A person I would do business with.
See, this is the kind of honest video that brought me to this channel. Thank you for both standing behind your product, but also being so honest about its limitations!
Much respect to this company for being honest and not being money hungry. You understand what it is to run a business and how to do it effectively.
I did a car I had put 8 coats of micro flakes. And took little over 6 gallons of clear. It was super super wet you can see it wet from a block away. And the flakes looked like they just moved by them self's paint looked alive. There's different ways on how to shoot flake use different angles and shoot flake not to close bit far .and clear over it then flake clear. Until as many as you want then start shooting just clear. You'll see big difference in the way flake looks. Those are secrets on how to shoot flake.
Holo and a glossy taco 😍 💿💿 Cristine would love this
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A quick note to Fonzie. your dedication to your business is great and I love the fact that you won't sell of recommend a particular product that can be problematic however there is something you may not be aware of with flake paints. OK first off let's start with Spray technique for those of us who have been spraying metalflake (Yes this IS rocket science, and it has to do with physics of the needles and spray patterns that ALL guns share) when a flake is sprayed the larger size if the flake causes something kind of like magic all of the flakes come out of the gun in the same orientation (the same direction) unlike metallics or pearls, this in turn places a limitation that makes a BIG difference in the texture of the finish. With metallics and pearls it is perfectly OK to spray as usual (Back and forth) BUT with a flake if you use the back and forth technique the flakes are laid down in sort of a crosshatch pattern resulting in a bumpy sandpaper like finish (just as you said in the video). However, if you spray unidirectional (in only one direction, say back to front or front to back the flakes will lay down in one direction resulting in a smoother shinier finish without all the roughness and sandpaper feel of the back and forth spray pattern (I have been spraying flakes since the Mid 70s and I have screwed up many flake paints this way. it took an old man who had been spraying flake paints since the 60s to set me straight. Flakes are just plain touchy that way. Try it out on a couple of speed shapes and see for yourself if it makes a difference I'm sure you will.
An OLD auto painter.
Fonzie and his team are a rare bunch. True businessmen that put that customer first with pricing and best advice! How can somebody not appreciate that
Hearing you say you would rather steer us to the TRUTH than make a sale---- Well, your value as a provider of services and product sure WENT WAY UP on my scale!!!! GREAT JOB!!!!
A lack of a properly glossy top/clear plastidip is the reason I chose aerosols to pain my car with. It was a hell of a lot more prep and finish work, but it got me the finish I was after.
Try autoflex .. 🤦🏿♂️
You sir, know how to run a company. I wouldn't buy from any of your competitors after watching this video and seeing that you are looking for long term customers vs. fast money. Best of luck to you!
I was thinking about flakes, so had to revisit this video, also a refreshing reminder of why I love this company so much! Thank you for staying clear with us!
There are not enough honest people or mainly business owners who will help consumers like you Fonzie. Keep up the good work.
It’s nice to hear brutal honesty. I only use those micro flakes on motorcycles and dirt bikes, with even polyurethane paints it is the same trying to bury them.
You're a real one man. I was looking into this the other day too. I'm def gna dip my car rather than wrap it.
Most guys would of tried to easily upsell more of their product for an application to hopeful's not considering the long term set backs. I like that your very straightforward and dont give people wrong idea of what your product can and cant do.
This is why I love DYC, legit company only providing products they stand by, great video Fonzie
Maybe before you put the Clear Coat on...I think you should try 2 sand it down first with a 2000 grit sand paper... it's just an idea!.. maybe it would take down all the ruff edges of the Flakes ..so when u put the clear Coat it would not feel so ruff... remember it's just an idea!!.. u should try it
Do a fallow up video of what you would think is a cost-effective substitute for the same look
A real paint job.
Definately right! Not only that, on a larger scale metal flake can be difficult to spray. The slightest mistake can cause metal slag where the flake begins to slide. It's best to use a mid coat to lay flake on a base coat clear coat job!
You should do the mad science mix thing with the color shift stuff and flake to show how bad of an idea it is.
Thank you for your transparent comments. I use flakes on regular custom work where you get the 'best bang for your buck, and even then it is labour intensive, flow coating loading on the extra clear equated to time and materials!!!
Looks good and I like the result but the cost would be way too much
Really appreciate your transparency and support
I've seen some guys lay down some helluva ultra fine metal flake paint jobs. They all said it depends on the quality of the clear you used. You're going to use some clear coats when it comes to flakes.
Not even a huge car guy, but this is the type of energy I want all brands to carry. This man runs a great business
The Fuckin Honesty with D.Y.C!!!! Damn these guys really look out for the Consumers.... ....
I used 2k clear on a 200 micron and took 9 coats of high solid to cover and flat back. Thats using proper car paint so 3 coats of your clear aint bad, but it was not flat like a mirror
Man I think this is awesome. Wont just push a product to make a few bucks. This guy is incredibly smart. Keep up the great work.
1)Can you please try this again but increased flake concentration? Like an in your face holographic layer?
2)And have you experimented with linear holographic flakes?
3)have you ever tried blowing the flakes with just low pressure air to make them lay flat or fly off? I think it would be worth a shot, maybe just on a speed shape?
And this is exactly why I am a fan of this company, this video sums it up
Can you do "too much pearls" in a dip-coat? Or will the Finish Just become even better?
Still waiting on that Shirtless vid fam.
I wish someone could have given this advice a few years earlier..... i did this on my first ride in 2006 with aquamarine blue liquid crystals. At first it was a beauty but a few months later i had to continually buff the top layer to keep the shifting effect. Because of the same flakes issue it had to be sprayed with a minium of three layers of clear coat. In retrospect it end up being a total waste of money because the main issues with these colours is you have to paint the whole broadside or even the entire car if you happen to get a knick or small bounce or scratch. There is absolutely no touch painting with these colours. And insurance never covers the cost for such expensive paint jobs in the event of an accident....
Really appreciate you being 100% honest with everyone. I'm sure not everyone would be so forthcoming with said information because they just see the profits regardless of the end result. You guys have anything new in the pipeline to show us before summer time? Look forward to the next video :-D
Jetstorm19 dipping is still in a stage where they are trying to convince people to do it.
If people use micro flake. People won’t be happy. And it’ll get bad rep. Aka good bye dip your car. It’s like pre damage control
Honest Fonz. Always keeping it real with the customers
Respect to the honesty its the better business decision longterm
Fair play, it's unusual for a business not to push for the most money.
they think long term, short term if they do that they can sell a lot but once customer gets a wind of its bad rep then future customers will be non existent. I respect the way he runs this.
DYC isn't just any business. their customer service and their passion is nothing short of A+
I've got an idea for you! Try to recreate the color of bismuth crystals. I've never seen it before and it could look very cool on a car.
Love this! Morals over money! Also Wish you guys had more presence in the UK. I’d be having my cars dipped every month.
4:45 you can see the unevenness of the surface in the light reflections
Thanks for the info.
Just as a suggestion, You could/should have done a big panel from a junk yard or something to really show how it will look. The speed shapes really make it look like it’s perfectly glossy
This is a good reason why not use plastic dip at all on show paint work. Look after my video i post soon (approx one week) here when i do a real flake paint job on whole car with REAL paint aka 2K color. Coming up soon in my channel if your interested in show paint, Flake paint, Pearl paint with ordinary 2K paint and clear coat.
But i like your videos on all nice pearl paint, that give me new ideas, thanks to you.
Very nice paint job that color is brilliant bro
Thanks you for the great information. I'm sure somebody will still want to do a car like that.
I think you can always apply your flake or microflake, then you need to sand all the painted surface, and after that you can spry one single clear layer, as usual
I used the blue microflake on chrome trim so it was pretty affordable. Full cars, definitely not. Really cool end result with the blue!
sooo… that "first dip" I'd been planning, where I was going to have some regular pearls, some color shifting pearls, and maybe some either jet black (for contrast) or red micro flakes (for extra sparkle), all mixed together into the topcoat
you're saying I should scrap that and start planning all over again?
You only need one layer of varnish if you properly control the film weight of your initial paint layers.
I guess it depends on product brand being used. My paints are a very high solids. I use 3 quarts to 1 gallon of color at most for an overall. (Mixed 1:1, 2 coats full coverage) My clear takes roughly 5 liters of 3- coats for an entire paint job. (I always color sand and polish, so i like more than 2 coats used in collision repair) Not sure why you need so much material in your brand. Its either very thin paint, or very low solids.
Ordered a shadow black kit for my Corvette C4, can not wait to see how it looks.
Demitri Grimm Official Luminaa show us with a new profile pic?
@@AshAirheart1995 oh Ill for sure have to update the pic! kit comes in friday, then it may be 1-2 weeks until I can get to it.
@@AshAirheart1995 took a few weeks, but shes done! looks sharp AF if I do say so myself!
I wonder if it's possible to create a mix that color-shifts from gun-metal gray to slight black, so the effect of color-shift is rather subtle, with the emphasis on gray with only black shades at the angles?
Small pieces like wheels and motorcycles are the best things to spray flakes on to. 4 coats of clear on small things like that don’t equate to multiple gallons extra of clear, maybe a quart.
I think the small flake in base coat then cleared would look nice
I love your honesty. Thank you
You can just sand the part down a little bit after using the one coat that has flakes in it so you won't have to deal with having to use millions of coats to level it out.
I dont think DYC topcoat is sandable
Even if the dip is sandable you dont sand metallic flakes because they will lose the color and just be silver
Much respect for your honesty, but this is not how you keep people from using micro flakes. Because what you ended up using exactly matched my expectations and the outcome is beautiful. I never knew I wanted micro flakes till now. 😄 Thank you for showing how it's done properly!
Im actually wondering, what is the most glossy way you can plasti dip something
its so crazy how fast your channel blew up. it takes people so many years to get to 700k and here you are
Varg Sutton well we started the channel in 2011... not sure that qualifies as a quick rise. Been at it a long time!
Can you try a silver with a red flake / red pearl. I've been trying to see if there is a way to accomplish a subtle colorshift or interference with silver and red.
THANKS!
I like the result, but money could kill the idea.. In my opinion, I'd mix the two sizes
Do you know if it's a more logical idea with regular paint?
I wonder if there's some way to make the flakes lay as flat as possible on the surface before adding top coat, so they won't stick up as much. I know some advanced paint processes work this way, and even nail polish has ways to line up flakes. Obviously PlastiDip is neither paint nor nail polish, but I'm curious now.
Either way, it doesn't seem like a good idea for a whole car. Maybe wheels or accents, though, a few more layers over a small area won't cost you a huge amount of money.
When you spray the flakes in Australia they lay flat because we're on the underside of the earth.
Entroper Good point. Larger flake can sit more flat in a thinner clear, sprayed in thinner coats. If you dilute a clear which suspends flakes, and then spray too heavily, it will run off surfaces like water, and ruin the attempt.
What I wonder is if the elastomeric characteristics of DYC topcoats can sustain distillate dilution to allow the flake to sit more flat and still retain their overall characteristics once dried. I doubt it, but I also don't know, and I think it would be an interesting experiment to have Fonz attempt it.
Fonzie is there any research being done in the industry to get dip or like products to have a self leveling feature like epoxy? I know dip for the most part does level out but the ability to level like epoxy does would really decrease the DIY error. It would also help with situations like this.
You can always use polish sane paper to give it a smoother finish and polish it from there
Can you use dip clear coats to protect an actual paint job from rock chips and road salt?
Sand before clear coat! It’ll smooth it out! An save money. But more work
Even wet sanding but im not sure cuz its a dip and not a paint so it will just pretty much crumble. My guess tho
This is a thoughtful and honest vid.
God yes the big flake size looks so good!
I like it and honestly, I probably wouldnt mind it not being completely smooth.
You would change your mind quickly after your first car wash...!!!
I kinda like the idea of this on some of the interior trim in my car.... I'll have to try it.
My wife and I did her scooter with Micro Flakes. We used Nordic color shift pearls and Holographic Flakes. It was our first dip project and we ran into the problem here. Granted, with a small scooter, the 3-4 coats of top coat were all 1 gallon so it wasn't too bad. There is a slight texture if you get right up on the bike, but from a few feet away its not terrible. We were pretty happy with it. Pics here imgur.com/gallery/lt9TN10
You need more coats on the smaller flake it’s uneven. Suggest a drop coat on last coat to even it out
I use flakes all the time I mix them in anything I put the on thick sand them n usually one coat after covers them n they shine awesome
Good PRO tip and with actual evidence to show us noobs! How does this stuff hold up in -30...say for a snowmobile hood?
Such a honest business
Great honesty 👌
Should of done a 3rd 1 mix with both
I've been curious, does dipping your car (as far as you know) change its color in insurance terms?
Doubt it. Since it is temporary it won't matter
Ok I have an honest question, if I want flakes but don't care how the car feels to touch, does it matter if there's a bit of texture from the flakes? Is it fine to just leave it as that? Like what are the actual downsides of the texture the flakes create?
Would it make the paintjob less durable or what?
Ok its sorta weird but do you guy have any like super small packs so I can do my hydro flask idk why but I think a navy with a gold color shift would be make a sick hydro
Can you not wet sand it smooth then clear coat?
That would knock of the edges that give the effect.
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yes you could don't listen to these morons
@@sorawisdom6516 agreed. You just need to get enough clear on it to wet sand without hitting any flake then repeat clear/ block/ clear until it's how you want it. The only issue would be paint build up.
@@Pablo453 exactly
Really like his honesty. That’s a business that I can respect and would definitely want to do to my car when I get some free time. I want to note as you said on a small scale its good but not on a large scale and I was thinking that would look great on my sports bike as the fairings are small in scale and there many individual small pieces. What’s your take on that? I think for sports bikes dyo paint is beyond perfect and was wondering if you would ever consider putting dyo kits together for motorcycles.
You are correct
I have a crazy idea, mix all the blue pearls micro flakes, dips, etc and see if it can actually turn out good, I wanna see if micro flakes can do anything worthwhile lol
Can you try a dip from a black to a single other color? Example Primarily Black with hints of say blue seen at different angles.
Honest question, no judgement at all, but how do you find shirts that fit your arms? Also what’s your regimen
I did an entire car in flake, took my 13 gallons , still had texture, but man I loved having that effect on my car. Fonzie is right, dont do it, unless you KNOW it is what you want
Thanks for video Fonzy.
Like Violet and gold shifting mixed then the flake. It's pretty mad.
Would wet sanding then clear coat change anything?
What would look good with Satin Black? I want to add something to give it a different look rather than it just being basic.
so what is the next closest thing to small flake? thank you
Just saved me a ton of money and not by switching to GIECO!
What if I’m not doing it for a car and don’t mind the bumps it only for the look on a plastic plate
Ok so for ordinary paint it will work fine? Just not in dips?
I did autoflex with flakes and high gloss autoflex on top and nothing could be felt thru the topcoat.
If it's 2k clear coat isn't it possible to sand it down then another clear coast without flakes then sand and Polish?
That's what I was thinking.