HERE WE GO! - Bethesda RESPONDS To The Fallout TV Show Drama...
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- Опубликовано: 8 июн 2024
- After days of mudslinging, Bethesda has stepped in and laid down the final word on the timeline. For now, Fallout fans can breathe a sigh of relief.
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The "Fall of Shady Sands" might just mean that that's when the NCR changed their capitol. The billboard does call it the "first capital of the NCR". The survivors in Vault 4 were kinda unhinged and treated Shady Sands like it was this holy place so them seeing the year the NCR changed capitols as "the fall" kinda makes sense.
EDIT: TODD HOWARD CONFIRMS IN IGN INTERVIEW THAT THE NCR IS STILL AROUND:
I'm curious how you guys see the NCR as it stands now. Is it demolished or is it kind of more like the Minutemen where it's just fractured?
Howard: One of the takes that we always have is to approach things very locally when we're doing Fallout. We're careful about saying what's going on in other parts of the world. And we always take this view of, communication is difficult. And look, if you look at the background, the NCR is a wide-ranging sort of organization and group across not just California, but other places. So the show focuses on this period of time and this group here, and that's what we can say right now. But I don't think you've heard the last of the NCR.
That explanation doesn't work much considering the lore and dialogue in new vegas. Do the higher ups of the NCR not realize the capital changed 4 years ago during the events of New Vegas?
@@rsync9490 I know the town was mentioned in New Vegas but was it ever referred to as the capital?
I think it refers to the First Battle of Hoover Dam which happened in 2277 and how much of a toll it took on the NCR
@@morebanks_ Yes it was. The NCR trooper in freeside asks you the name of the capital of the NCR when you're trying to get the password for he food handouts.
@@morebanks_ Heavily implied with dialogue like "those politicians in shady sands". Seems strange to refer to politicians in some random town.
How did the Master just disregard the three vaults right next to each other?
Yeah, that bit really needs to be explained somehow... much bigger problem than them forgetting to put a date on a timeline in a classroom.
Who?
@@AbyssmouseDoes it though? It would simply be a post hoc rationalization and insulting. This was a soft reboot on lore established by the original Fallouts through the show to give Bethesda plausible deniability. There's no question in my mind
i mean the interplay games havent been canon for awhile right
@@joshl3916 New Vegas is canon still, Vegas references the Master multiple times, The Master is still canon.
Yeah the biggest issue for me is where Shady Sands is now compared to Fallout 2 and the vaults the master apparently just missed in Fallout 1
Well like what was said in game of thrones “the master kind of forgot about those vaults.”
The master probably wouldn’t have seen vaults for vault tec officials, and if he did probably wouldn’t have fucked with them considering the nuclear power
Maybe I remember wrong cause it's been a while since I played the first fallout but... The master doesn't know where the vault is !?
That's why the master needs the player to show the coordinate if the vault.
@@FullmetalMax yea that's been my stance on it, It's not like the master worked with the enclave and had access to a list of the vaults and their locations. Even if he did find vault 33 though, how is he getting in without someone letting him in?
@@PatrickPopovitz he also has to hack into it. That's why he had issues with Vault 13. Other than it's isolation.
Season One: Fallout 5
Season Two: New Vegas 2
Always wanted the sequel to be a barren wasteland and the strip to be destroyed
@evgeniygerkus9242 Yes but conveniently they just discovered cold fusion and infinite power.
I'm 99% sure the season 2 ending will be with the strip lights coming back on.
@@Sgt.chickens what lights? All the casinos look destroyed beyond repair, besides Lucky 38 for some reason.
@@evgeniygerkus9242 A lot of the buildings in vegas in the game look pretty fucked up and still have lights. I feel like it's going to be a rebuilding story. Plus, the lucky 38 lights are the most noticeable anyway
The lucky 38 Is and armored Building that sheltered everything inside. It makes sense to see It pretty much intact while the rest Is in ruins.@@evgeniygerkus9242
As an NV fan, I never once complained about this stuff. Always told myself that they would fill in the blanks during season 2. Just roll with the punches man. 🤗
Well you know us cowpokes, we take it as it comes.
@@gordonhowett7529 genius, I should have used this one 😭😂
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Absolutely, first comes the fun, then we will accomodate with the lore as we always had to do with each game, (thinking about 76!!!) If some lore nerds are butthurt because dates don't match or the final event in New Vegas is not the one they choosed let them have fun talking about it.
With every of the Fallout games, there was always multiple choices and endings so how can you maintain a serious lore, it's impossible. Sometimes Bethesda choose a canon but they always change places and dates for the next ones so they can accomodate some player choices.
Fallout 1 and 2 in California, Fallout 3 in the capital wasteland, Fallout New Vegas in the Mojave, Fallout 4 in boston 10 years after Fallout 3. In an universe without communications or transportation system, it's like going on another planet.
Don’t forget that Nate from fallout 4 is a war criminal
The vault 32 cleanup thing is pretty easy to adress. Robots controlled by bud, either in a secret level of the vault, or in utility areas behibd various walls, both of which are already things that have been seen in vaults. They can show this in season 2 by chet or norm discovering something like this.
My only questions for the show
-why is Shady Sands within The Boneyard now
-how did the Master not find the tri-vault and vault 4
Those are good questions! I have no idea😐😂😳
Imagine playing fallout and seeing vault 15 and shady sands being removed to a new location
fr, the timeline thing was so minor compared to these retconns I dont understand why everyone was up in arms about it. I guess most people haven't played the first game
Imagine playing fallout and being totally fine with The Master moving from Mariposa to the Cathedral and yet getting hung up on this? Seems like selective outrage
Master one's easy he didn't know where the vault was thats why he asks the main character from fallout 1 where it was also needs you to get into it
107}{Mast01}{Excellent. Your talents will be useful. But first, you must tell me everything about your Vault.
I love how no one has really pointed out that they misdirected us about the BoS airship being a new one. It’s literally the Prydwen. Says it on the side of it in bold print. Not mention they said the “Clerics in the Commonwealth”. So Fallout 4 officially has a canon ending.
Or the ship was rebuilt. Or Bethesda came in and asked them not to use the Prydwin so there is no Canon ending (yet). Perhaps all close up scenes were removed from the show on Bethesda's request but fans figured it out. That still doesn't make this new airship the Prydwin of Bethesda decides it isn't.
Another hint that supports this is Knight Titus's accent is definitely from Massachusetts
Either the minutemen ending or the BOS one. I mean the railroad suck so no way they were going to be the canon ending and the bad guys never win in fallout so the institute def wasn’t going to be the canon ending.
@@onesaucynougat7471 Only a Fallout fan would consider the anti-slavery faction to be the "bad guys". lmao
@@theobell2002 I was referring to the institute when I said that. Railroad still sucks though, they can free a toaster or something for all I care.
All this hype generated for Fallout being wasted is what annoys me the most. Everybody is gonna be 10 years older by the time Fallout 5 comes out. And that's just depressing to think about.
That is pretty crazy ngl, if you played fallout 4 when you were like 8 you’d be in your 20’s by the time 5 comes out
This is very true and we dont know if fallout 5 will be good or bad after how starfield turned out
NV fans will find something else to complain about. Because NV fans, NV fans never change.
Nice copied twitter comment
@@MRgusty2012 nice copied twitter response
@@MRgusty2012comments not wrong tho
It's funny because the entirety of Bethesda fans complain as a whole not just the new Vegas fans. 90% of fallout fans are man children 😂
This "Us vs Them" mentality doesn't help anyone. I'm a fallout fan first, but NV is in my opinion the best of the modern games. I don't align myself with the people acting up and shitting on anything that isn't NV, but why do I feel like I'm getting lumped in with them just because I'm a NV fan?
And the way you call them "NV fans" makes it sound like you aren't also a fan of NV. Are you not all fans of NV?
Vault 32 was cleaned up by the inhabitants of 31. That was the implication of the cleaning equipment in 31
All of the residents of 31 were rousted out of their pods to a quick cleaning job on 32? Given the very short time frame that seems a little unlikely. More likely was that there is a host of other roomba brains that we didn't see that were developed for exactly this eventuality.
Or any other normal robot lol
There is nobody in 31 just freezed people. The TV show is full of plot holes like where Lucy's father found a nuke and the multiple conveniences of people meeting eachother at the right place at the right moment. When i saw the cleaned vault i firt thaught it was the people of 31 but no, not possible, then who, is there another vault full of robots, maybe.
But is it a problem ? not for me, Fallout has always had some weird events and inconsitencies, it's a janky universe where our logic has no meaning. This is why it's fun, if it was just like our everyday world it would be annoying.
So if they retcon some dates and events to suit their needs, so be it.
@@kukipett Vault 31 is full of "junior executives" trained by Bud Askins (head of HR R&D at Vault-Tec), and it's suggested by Barb Howard's words at the round table meeting between representatives from RobCo, Repconn, Big MT, and West Tek that Vault-Tec has access to nuclear weapons. It's not entirely implausible that Hank McLean and the other junior executives frozen in Vault 31 have knowledge of where yet-to-be-launched nuclear bombs are located, and use them against surface dwellers, in order to fulfill Vault-Tec's plans of restarting civilization themselves.
@@kukipettthe members of vault 33 who came from Vault 31 cleaned it up. Including the overseer and Lucy’s blonde friend.
9:05 San Francisco is already in Fallout 2. It's a major city in the game.
I dont think they will come to West Coast. Fallout 5 will be New York. It has to be. Bethesda will stay on the East Coast.
@@KamleshMallickNew York got completely nuked though
@@KamleshMallick I bet fallout 5 will be in Texas
I was wondering where the chi were the whole time
The final scene of the season made me even more sad that Matthew Perry had died... It would have been awesome for him to reprise his roll... 😢
@MrMattyPlays Let's all be more like Matthew Perry... He loved the fallout series and put his name and career to new Vegas not even knowing it would be great.. he just loved the IP and wanted to be part of it..
Enjoy, love and interact with the franchise and be happy that anything you do love about it exist.
The vault 32 clean up is easy. They thawed out some 31 popsicles and refroze them afterwards
Or 31 has more robots we didn't see. No need for thawing then.
At first I sort of disagreed with this, but you actually make a lot of sense. There was loads of cryo pods in 31 so there could easily be some grunts in those pods that they have specifically to manage things like this. Covering up the vaults true purpose. There wasn't exactly time to thaw someone out when Lucy's brother got into 31
And maybe that’s why the brain was stuck on a broomstick lol
I think it was members from 31 that are in 33 like that blonde chick.
@@Dylwud ayy that makes sense lmao XD
I want to know what happened to the NCR as a whole because the show made it look like it was a city state instead of a country with multiple cities and regions and why would they be stuck in the observatory and looked like raiders instead of the big army seen in New Vegas.
As much as I’m pretttttty damn sure Hank blew up Shady Sands, can you imagine the moment in the show where he says it wasn’t him, we hear the NV menu theme again and everyone who’s played NV through realizes it was Ulysses. Could be a crazy moment is all I’m saying
Could have been him being responsible via a proxy like the enclave, BoS, etc.
They kinda have to be careful that the plot beats aren’t too exclusive to the videogame fans… Let alone *specifically* NV fans.
Fact is, NV fans are a small minority of the whole audience.
Also bringing back characters to rely on as “‘member berries” could be considered distasteful or corny. They’ve done well with entirely new characters so far.
I was thinking the same thing. What if he fire bombed Shady Sands (which can cause horrible damage in itself) then Ulysses/Courier send a nuke NCR way?
@@AdamC_465 thats not really a callback since he literally nukes the NCR in the game. they did good with showing sinclair and mr. house in the meeting.
I've literally just finished season 1, season 2 can't come soon enough.
Fall of Shady Sands may mean it became not the capital of the NCR anymore.
This is the implication given that the show clearly has a sign for shady sands saying "the first capital of the NCR"... This immediately implies it is no longer the capital.
The fall is the 1st Battle of Hoover Dam. As the Republic got bigger its safe to assume the capitol could move but to enshrine Shady Sands they title it the first since it was. I'm thinking Shady Sands got hit right after the 2nd Battle of Hoover Dam in NV. New Reno could have enough power to be the capitol now but the way the show talks about the NCR sounds like it failed altogether after Shady Sands went down
@@WeDontHaveToBreed88 I was also thinking of this explanation too.
When NCR expanded to the Mojave, they got really stretched thin.
Yes it was
So I used google maps and drew a line from the Griffith observatory to New Vegas and right in the middle of the path is The HUB. With the Hubologists in Fallout 4 DLC I'm predicting we will see the HUB in season 2
This isn’t a complaint, more of a genuine question. As someone who thoroughly enjoys and understands Fallout’s lore and timeline. Especially within New Vegas. I’m just curious how they plan on this being the case. We get a lot of information, and I mean A LOT, within New Vegas on Shady Sands, the NCR and California as a whole. We get a lot. So if we’re talking within a few years of the events of Fallout New Vegas, I’m just curious what their idea is for how this happened. Nukes blowing up the cradle of arguably one of the most important factions within Fallout lore is not some small thing. That’s a massive event and nukes are not that common or easy to utilize within the setting. I’m simply curious how they plan on making that through line between New Vegas and all of the information we have there, and the show. That’s a small gap of time and a lot of events that need to unfold just right to make sense. I’m not saying this is awful unforgivable heresy writing. Just that I don’t think it was a smart move for the future of the lore and consequences of previous lore given the extensive content the NCR and Shady Sands provides. Just seems like a bit of a short sighted move is all, and I’m curious how they plan on bandaging that timeline, or if they’ll ignore it and kinda just give us an ambiguous three year gap and say “just trust me bro”. All I’m saying is, just because you can fudge dates and write a major event, doesn’t mean you should.
I agree. This event was far too major to be such a small aspect of the show
wait for season 2
‘Quiet you parasocial FNV elitist!’ - Matty
"The Fall" of something is just a expression for losing power, has nothing to do with the destruction of something. "The Fall of Rome", "The Fall of USA", "The fall of the economy"...
and in new vegas the NCR was already really bad organized
... and nukes in fallout universe are easy to use. Had 2 in fallout 76, one in megatown, there are fatmans...
Wait until season 2🤷🏽♂️
Something that just clicked. The first battle of Hoover dam took place in 2277 the same year shady sands fell. The NCR used a lot of resources to hold the dam 2 times. What if that’s why shady sands fell. The NCR became too broken down and drained of resources from the battles that they finally broke. And if yes man or Mr. House endings are cannon this could definitely happen. Because they would’ve been driven out of new Vegas and Hoover damn.
New Vegas teased plenty of times that the NCR was falling apart from the inside because they keep over expanding into new territories and also because of the war with the Roman LARPers.
Question.. did helios one have the potential to obliterate shady sands? Why would it be a nuke?
Hoping they bring Timothy Olyphant for a role in a future season.
I can definitely see him as an NCR Ranger gunslinger type role.
I really hope they make a reference to The Courier from New Vegas. And leave his whereabouts unknown. So if they consider making a New Vegas 2. They can allow us to continue the story from the courier and find out what happened to them
Would prefer Joshua Graham more than The Courier.
Considering the courier is male or female, and the interpretation is dictated by the player they will likely avoid mentioning him or her. If done it'll probably just be the title.
I mean that’d be nice but they haven’t made any references to the canonical main character from any of the games yet
@dathunderman4 not yet, at least. The Courier had a big impact in shaping out New Vegas, so it wouldn't make sense for them not to mention them at all. They might have to be vague about it, tho since the courier could be both male or female since they are the payable character. But in all honesty, I always felt the courier was meant to be a man
@bugsnax4145 In today's climate? No. They'd go female. But it was never meant to be either or, since that character generally has no characteristics other than what you give them. We only know they went across the Divide.
Bethesda got tired of ya'll asking for new vegas 2 so they blew it up 🤣🤣🤣
i read it like this: in the blackboard, shady sands falls in 2277 and then it gets nuked sometime later. that said, it's believable and fitting into canon that the town was nuked in 2282, although the date isn't specified in the blackboard
My first thought when all this drama started was "yup this the true definition of the Nerd Rage perk" lol
Intro is GOATED
Feels like a Matty classic
I like what they are doing with the timeline and how it is also opending up the lore and giving us some needed bits and pieces of backstory.
There is no drama other than the bs you people create. Stand down.
Vault 32 was cleaned so fast using the build station obviously
Gatekeeping is more important now than ever, you know. We've got to keep that secret agenda at bay somehow.
Look what they did to Star Wars. That fan base is several times bigger than Fallout's. Come on, it doesn't take a genius to know when the food tastes like shit.
hahahaaha! Who are these New Vegas Elitists? Why is Matty so defensive?
So we're believing as an audience everything that's written on a chalkboard in a classroom of a society notorious for hiding the truth from its citizens.
"We're whalers on the moon, we carry a harpoon. But there aint no whales so we tell tall tales and sing this whaling tune"
This is important.
Aren't all the other things on the board true?
in your opinion where does the territory map stand as of rn it seems like the brotherhood seems to control alot of the east and west coast but what does your map look like
Idk, I think the debate is a bit more nuanced than what Matt is portraying here. He’s taking a couple edge case arguments and pretending that they’re representative of the majority of the complaints from long time Fallout fans.
The majority of the criticisms levied against the show have been about tone, quality of writing, and possible retconning of established lore, which are all valid.
The major complaint has been the year shady sands was destroyed and now thats been clarified, the goal post has moved. It seems to be coming mostly from people who love NV more than they like the Fallout series as a whole, and likewise, hate Bethseda more than they like Fallout.
@@jadedstargazer no goal posts have been moved. There are a variety of criticisms against the show outside of Shady Sands. You’re being disingenuous and creating a straw man argument.
@weizenw I am not being disingenuous at all. I just stated what I have heard to be the main complaint/criticism of the show from supposed fans. It certainly wasnt "edge cased arguments." I feel it is disingenuous to act like this wasnt the main thing "fans" were saying. You havent mentioned anything of substance other than "there are nuanced criticisms of the show," and list a few vague reasons. There are always valid criticisms for any show, but here, I really only saw one main issue the people who claim to be harcore fans kept saying. What are the other retcons? I am being genuine in asking.
NV is my favorite but I'm not elitist about it. I love 3 and 2 and 4 as well.
It kinda sucks to see that some people are dicks about it. But it also sucks to see the concern of timelines getting retconned diminished as well. It is important to have continuity to alot of people. It confuses things and makes it less of an immersive and solid feeling world.
Although in this case it may have been a nothing burger, it's still endearing in my eyes to see that people love the lore so much
I'm with you I love the show but the lore and timeline must be respected as well.
Are we sure that the city behind Shady Sands crater is LA. The Shady Sands skyline looks smaller to me than the one we see from the observatory, also if I remember correctly there were no hills around shady sand in the show, at least that we see like we do in the Boneyard later. The skyline could be a Fresno, that city is a lot closer to were Shady Sands was in the first Fallout games and we don't know much about Fresno since the divergence in the Fallout timeline. Fresno could've become a major industrial hub in the Fallout timeline especially being closer to the original Brotherhood base which was a big pre war US military Base. We also don't know that the NCR is completely gone I imagine that when the nuke went off that it left local NCR in total chaos, with the reemergence of the BOS in southern California we can imagine they probably kicked the NCR when they were down and kicked them out of Southern California and became the dominant power there. The NCR could still be strong in Northern California though with cities like New Reno, Redding, San Francisco and Vault City being most likely untouched. This makes sense in the context of the show because if the wasteland knew the NCR completely collapsed then I don't think you would have people claiming to be the President or creating Head Quarters for the NCR, however if they knew the NCR was just pushed back then and are looking to reclaim there southern territory then it would make sense for these people to claim to be the legitimate NCR government in hopes to be recognized as such when the NCR returns. Also if the NCR completely collapsed why don't we see any real micro states in the show, the NCR had a large standing army with actual military doctrine. You're telling me that if the government completely collapsed that at least some divisions would create relatively safe areas around some major towns. However if the NCR pulled back its army completely out of SoCal with the idea of retaking it it would make sense that we see no remnants of the NCR army besides the father and son with there Nevada Ranger gear. I think season 2 well see Lucy and the Ghoul mess around in New Vegas while Maximus and the Brotherhood will come into conflict with the NCR returning to SoCal for a second NCR Brotherhood war.
Apologies if I missed it but what is or happened with the Fall of shady sands ? I’m not talking about the bomb just what the board is referring to
Fallout fans... Fallout fans never changes
U think fallout is bad? Ever heard of Star Warts?
I’ll gate keep the f outta starwars . Unfortunately the Disney enclave nuked it to oblivion…
Don't mess with us Fallout fans
We hate Fallout
@@AhmadWahelsa no one hates Fallout more than you guys
So, which NV ending you think will be canon? I feel like Yes Man.
How funny would it be if Season 2 starts with Hank kicking in a door, and then Yes Man turns creakily around to say hello, and maybe glitch out a little, then dump all the exposition on us as Yes Man is want to do lmao.
My guess is NCR. It is kind of treated in game as the default/good ending. And it would explain why it so quickly fell apart, since the NCR could no longer control it after losing their capital.
@@ThePlushielord NCR ending is least likely to be canon now.
Yes Man ending implies the Couriers decisions left New Vegas in chaos.
My assumption is based not only on implications from the main game, and marketing, but what's in the show. There's heavy emphasis on the NCR toward the end. Like playing the NV theme when showing the flag, and the crashed NCR vertibird in the Strip. Personally I always go for the Yes Man ending, but I think from what the show has provided us, it's probably NCR, or House, since he had an introduction, and the theme is also "capitalism bad".
The timeline always made sense to me, the decision to make Vegas barren is what has me mad, regardless of when,
I mean… let’s be honest it was pretty barren in the game also in the lore ulysses pretty much says that New Vegas is on borrowed time.
(The mod “Dust” speculates a grim fate for the Mojave)
i feel like they are recovering from an attack
How do we know that it’s barren? It was a sunset photo miles away. We don’t know if anyone is still living there, it’s intentionally ambiguous. As in, the second season is supposed to expand upon this question. It’s how tv stories work.
You’re jumping to conclusions. Stop.
@@blackwatertv7018 I personally don’t mind the destruction of it as long as it goes along the suggestions of new vegas. Like the tunnellers and the nukes and what not.
I'm not upset about that at all, I'm upset that LA and surrounding areas are barren when it should be full of NCR citizens. 700,000 people... give or take 35,000. Where the hell are they?
fallout tactics is a pretty damn good game, being able to shape the brotherhood of the midwest, recruiting ghouls and even super mutants into your squad was always so cool
For "How Vault 32 was cleaned in 24 hours?" it could probably be explained by Vault 31 having maintenance robots since it's not used for people to live in, just stasis pods.
A lot of this could have been prevented if they just put a date under the drawing of the mushroom cloud. Maybe there’s a reason they didn’t idk.
They literally say don't want to show what canon ending in NV.
This dull discourse online between various " factions" of fandom is the reason it was left vague ... so all the wiki warriors can proclaim their absolute rightous indignation at things not being exactly 100% individual headcannon 😂😂😂
Not really it still sucks. It's more than shady sands getting nuked. They butchered the lore ghouls and made them less gross. They made 1,2 and new vegas irrelevant .
@@Gloryholrr waah waah waaah. Cry more.
@@Gloryholrr no they didn't did you even watch it🤣
Let's forget about Vegas and Shady Sands for a second. Does anybody have an explanation as to why people at the meeting would be on board with the whole "vault experiments" and end of the world idea?
They're executives. Not having a soul is a job requirement.
Because war never changes.
Because the show was written by hack writers, who all think capitalism is the worst thing ever and executives are literally hitler.
@@Dalton_Boardman2000 no no, I didn't mean "how could they?", I meant "why would they?". House knew the nuclear war was inevitable, but didn't look for ways to profit off of it. Big MT already had the biggest, most advanced research facility in the country and had the US military allow them to conduct experiments on civilians, like they did with weather control device in Hopeville. West Tek's was a defense contractor who would not benifit from the world without war. REPCONN wanting to "create a robot that would deliver milk to the front door" is hilarious, since they were a rocket manufacturing company.
@@evgeniygerkus9242 Yeah, that is a big jump for most of those guys but to be fair one aspect of this is that even if House was involved in this meeting we didn't see him make any deals with Vault-Tec. If he wasn't already preparing for apocalypse then the meeting probably encouraged it further.
I’ve posted this on the other 2 videos but want to point out that in both the show and in Fallout New Vegas they refer to Shady Sands as “the first capital” of the NCR not “THE Capital” so I think Bethesda new exactly what they were doing with the fall of Shady Sands board
If that chalkboard scene is them "being careful" then they suck at that
If the bomb fell after New Vegas, then I want at least some flash backs to “the fall of Shady Sands” that supposedly started in 2277. Because that timeline they drew DID make it look like they intended to say Shady Sands was nuked at the time of Fallout 3.
I feel like they just messed up with that timeline. While I feel like it shows that Shady Sands was nuked post 2077 with the arrow pointing to the nuke after it says fall of shady sands in 2077, enough people have claimed otherwise that I think it's simply them not being as clear as they maybe should've.
I think it was merely highlighting events. They just didn't put a date on the actual bomb going off. Because the whole diagram highlights different events and continues to the next independent and separate event. It makes no sense to write "the fall of shady sands" and then another arrow to a nuke going off. If the intention was to imply the nuke is the fall of shady sands then they would just say 'shady sands nukes/deatroyed/bombed'.
Usually, when you depict a civilisation as a 'fall' it links to a moment of hubris and gradual decline, or maybe falling to an invading force, rather than a simple bombing/destruction.
The timeline indicated the nuke went off after 2277. Are most Fallout fans 10 years old or less? I swear we all learned how timelines worked back in 2nd grade.
Edit: corrected to 2277, thank you future commenter!
@@KJ-od8wq 2277* but yeah, blind or don't know what an arrow is
The entirely of NV hinges on the fact that the NCR is in decline or “falling” all the factions are that’s why they need some rando to come save them
I would be more okay with New Vegas being destroyed if we had gotten not only more references, but more time to cook. But with the current time line, it's destruction pretty much means that the events of New Vegas, while canon, are irrelevant. Nothing that was done in the game matters, because it was erased almost immediately after the ending.
How does that make the events in New Vegas irrelevant? With the next season being set in New Vegas we are going to see how the Couriers actions led to Vegas’ current state. Far from irrelevant, the events in the game will be the backdrop for everything Vegas in season 2.
I’d say much more important than the base game was all the dlc, also as of right now what I like to think is courier went with yes man then died to Ulysses, then the sierra Màdré and big MT creatures came in and wiped everything while the courier was missing cause that is actually an ending cut from new Vegas
@@Nope-ik8wv It would be ballsy if they said not only did New Vegas fall, but the Courier was a failure entirely.
@@ThePlushielord well they were going to be an actual ending, and its not that the courier was a failure but just that Ulysses was better. Also then when the MCs arrive in season 2 they could be hiding from the lobotomies and ghost people and Ulysses could come in and guide them and tell the couriers story
@@Nope-ik8wv I'd love to see Lobotomites, especially in a darker light. But I'm not sure we'd see Ulysses, or any named characters. To me, it seems like they'll go the occums razor route, and it'll be the NCR ending. I could very well be wrong, but that's just where the pattern seems to lead.
I always assume anyone you talk to in fallout are unreliable narrators. They see it from their perspective. Dates are blurry.
What I would like to know is how the enclave scientist knew about Lucy and her Vault. He knew too much and like most people, I didn't think he would have know all the vaults and people in them, there are too many. So, how did the scientist knew about it all? Was it because of the area he going to he knew about such things, that he needed to know just in case or what?
Fallout and one piece have been great treasures for me :) I hope they keep it up! Esspecially after a lot of IMO bad adaptations.
I think the crux of the issue is that they *don't* have the benefit of the doubt on storytelling anymore. Anything that looks like a retcon, mistake, or bad continuity just looks like a retcon, mistake, or bad continuity.
Well...there was also a bear killing a brotherhood of steel knight and a Squire basically finishing the job, so maybe a bit of foreshadowing that not everything is lost for the NCR?
Season 2 needs to have Fisto.
That intro was not obnoxious. It was straight uo FACTS 😂
So can they explain it being daylight on the west coast at 6:40 AM or does the sun rise in the west in this universe now?
touch grass
Can New Vegas explain why their clocks say nukes were dropped at 12:47 Eastern Standard Time when the lore says the nukes were dropped on the West Coast before the East Coast, and they were dropped on the East Coast at 9:47 AM EST?
Or what about when the Big MT says the nukes were dropped at night instead of the morning? You know the uncertainty of the true time these bombs dropped is rife with inconsistencies across all games, right?
>the brotherhood used to rule the wasteland
Never on the west coast
>shady sands nuked 4 years before the start of new vegas
>shady sands moved from north of la to la (the boneyard)
>the master ignores 4 vaults
>new vegas also destroyed (nuked?)
>vault dweller instantly identifies BoS member as a knight despite having no knowledge of the world post 2077
>implying the BoS existed prewar
>weird religious stuff in the BoS that never showed up in any game
>squires being mistreated by their knights for no reason
>unresolved water chip issue (just a reference to 1?)
>Robert House was a member of the council deciding when to drop the bombs, but also didn’t know when the bombs would drop
>that scene of the enclave doctor and dog walking semi-hastily through machine gun fire and getting through unscathed
>story is basically 3 & 4 mashed together while literally nuking the west coast lore.
I liked cowboy ghoul and small frame norm though.
Also, not a single energy weapon was used. I assume that’s a budget thing, but I’m pretty sure the Nuka Break guys had energy weapons in their youtube show from a decade ago.
yeah, and those bethesda fans still hating on nv fans. i bet they don't even care fallout series at all
>shady sands nuked 4 years before the start of new vegas
No, it's been debunked by Todd himself.
As for Robert House not knowing when the bombs would be dropped, because Vault Tek DIDN'T use the nuke first.
I think them cleaning up the vault could simply be that they unfroze people to go clean it up
While I’m not upset about the changes, their response doesn’t prove anything or clarify anything further. There was clear oversight on dates, timeline, and other canon, and they really just need to own up to that.
I assure you, the reason New Vegas will be barren in season 2 will be because of any other reason other than what would be a canonical reason found in New Vegas. I’d love to be wrong, but that’s the problem with these changes. They are not utilizing the material/world building that’s already been laid out before and it’s doing more damage to them than they realize.
It will be barren and destroyed because we can't have civilisations in bethesda fallout unfortunately.
Shady Sands is one thing, but saying New Vegas went to shit 15 years after the Courier was there is what irritates me. So, we didn't really change anything in the long run?
War, War never changes.
@@Kinev1l If that isn’t truer than ever…
Yeah my hundreds of hours doing quests to decide the fate of the moajave and strip ultimately feel pointless if it goes to shit anyway.
Matty, any thoughts on the reddit post talking about how Cesar's Legion may have influenced the West Coast Brotherhood of Steel?
I think it’s kinda big that they did respond instead of just not saying anything about it.
Was never concerned. Thanks for the update.
Yeaah Bc u were so busy riding toddie's Stick
@@BearBullDivideRizz Or I didn't misinterpret a drawing.
@@BearBullDivideRizz To me is sounds like the only one with a stick up their ass is you
I’ll admit I was one of those people online arguing that the chalkboard insinuates something that has serious lore implications, but I was never like those toxic FNV fanboys who claim Bethesda hates FNV. I just thought the evidence presented to us was vague and we needed exactly this confirmation. Even if SS was destroyed in 2277 I would’ve been fine with it, but it would need to be explained a little. Happy with the result though!
im pretty objective (3 was my first big boy game that i got around my 10th birthday) and I soon moved onto vegas. I appreciate 3 and like the game even with its flaws (forcing you to side with the brotherhood/terrible enclave writing) the world was also great. That being said, New vegas is ultimately a better story with better writing in a much harder setting (a desolate desert compared to DC). The brotherhood have no place out west not in the capacity the show is showing them in. There is no justification of that aside from Bethesda loving the brotherhood just like they loved turning super mutants into brainless zombies. How did vegas turn to crap so quickly? there better be a good explanation. With bethesda's current writing trajectory tho the brotherhood will just become this elite level organization running the entire country. I just hope house is ok (my favorite character by far) and I think he presents so many great story opportunities. They could've made starfield the same universe as fallout thanks to house wanting humanity to go to the stars (I think that was a huge missed opportunity even tho starfield sucks). That being said ill just hope for the best and hope obsidian is allowed to make another game since bethesda is tied up for the next several years (would be a win win and smart move by Microsoft).
I think what they meant by the fall of Shady Sands was that it was a decline that just started that year and led up to the nuke (only thing I’m sad about is seeing how destroyed NV is in the animation during the credits)
I feel like Hank isn't going to mr house but going to vault 34 or the boomers for supplies or for something else
Thank you Todd for the clarification. At least someone spoke out about it instead of dodging. Looking at you Emil! Soo... Legion ending is the best ending then lol
I honestly think Todd ain't the problem, it's Emil he needs to get him gone
@@mysticwraith6667 Emil is a dog crap writer anyway
"He also confirmed that "The Fall of Shady Sands" could be referring to an event other than a nuke being dropped on it"
people already knew this since that "the first capital of the NCR" billboard is kinda weird.
Caesar's legion won
What gun is in the first clip of New Vegas?
It's from the DLC Old World Blues
Love you matty, thanks for clarifying all of this,i love all fallout and in keeping an open mind to anything new!
reminds me of those crazies at a con arguing with the writer of a thing...
I think Shady Sands was always meant to be destroyed in the storyline when you consider the Enclave's goal of being the one and only continuation of humanity. It also gives a nod to the choice to blow up Megaton and makes it more obvious that Tennpenny and Mr. Burke were working with the Enclave.
What
I saw the “fall of shady sands” like the fall of any empire or noteworthy place, a gradual decline over several years. Rome didn’t fall in a day, it doesn’t seem that shady sands did either although the big boom was a definitive end
Well now that S2 will give us a Cannon ending to NV which ending to Y’all think Lines most up with shady sands being blown up?
I'm going with House simply because they cast an actor & can use him to film projector conversations.
It feels so refreshing to hear that shady sands got nuked after nv because it lines up beautifully and is a good shock to the fallout franchise
I haven't seen a lick of Fallout drama. I watched the show and accepted a few changes and am having a great ol time.
You are probably a normal adult with your emotions tied to the people around you and not a video game from over a decade ago.
@@JustAnotherBot-zu6mv Fair assessment :)
If New Vegas Strip is destroyed it's going to add to the "Bethesda Hates Obsidian-Interplay" drama. Not to mention it's nullifying what happens with the Courier in 2281.
EDIT: If season 2 is before season 1 and after NV then what if it deals with the NCR trying to get the Strip back from the Courier? Like General Oliver even tells us that the bear will come for us.
9:30 I asked my brother this while watching the show, he had a pretty good theory, the robo brain “Bud” could have easily woke up a few people to have them clean up the vault and told them to go back to sleep. That.. or.. they could have staff that wake up every few years for that purpose to clean up or handle any issues and to check progress, same case he (Bud) the robo brain could have woken a few people up
"Hey, Todd did you forget that the NCR played a big part in New Vegas and that their capital being destroyed before their expansion into the Mojave might've affected things a bit?"
"Oh shit, yeah. No, it was actually after New Vegas."
Sweet little lies
Do the people that say this not know how to read a flow chart?
I mean the show takes place 15 years after new vegas, max was there at shady sands, he’s probably early 20s now, he looked to be about 9-10 years old placing the Nuke 5 years after fallout new Vegas, so I mean it’s totally possible, hell even in the wiki it says it ended sometime in the 80s so that doesn’t mean it’s 80 for sure or 81, it could be the year after new Vegas took place
Take your medicine
@@user-yd2uv3xi2g Do you not know how to read dates?
I feel like the timeline stuff was accidentally over-sited but they did such a good job adapting the rest of the IP that they can write around the small accident.
I hope they mention the water purifier that we did in Fallout 3
The "Fall of Shady Sands" will refer to the political fall of the former capital and probably of Robert House in New Vegas with some other faction within the NCR defeating becoming the dominant power in the region.
It has nothing to do with being an elitist or not, they just did an awful job of conveying information in that one particular scene and it led people to some (justifiable) concerns. The fact that we didn't have solid ages for the characters meant people had to resort to things like googling the actors' ages to guesstimate, which didn't look good for the timeline when people found out Maximus' actor is in his mid-30s.
Also, "they can dig themselves out of it later" is exactly the problem here lol, that's a piss poor way to run a show/franchise. I say all of this as somebody that's actually a huge fan of the show. The writing is mostly pretty tight throughout the show, but between this and the possibility of Vault-Tec starting the war, they decided to be as vague as humanly possible about the two literal biggest plot points in the series (and possibly the franchise). I get that the idea in a visual medium is to show, not tell, but they didn't really do either for those two plot points and that's going to lead to a lot of wild interpretations.
This makes me so happy. Ive seen so much petty sh*t they call a "review" where they were just flat out wrong pointing things out as facts instead of questions. They left these things ambiguous for a reason, to keep us asking enough questions and want to watch season 2 to find out the answers. You know what thats called...? GOOD WRITING. I feel just as smug and "obnoxious" as you did at the start of this Matty
this! spot on, dude. well said.
it doubt it will happen but it would be cool if season two opens with the second battle for hoover dam, or even at the end of the battle.
Young Matty at 6:15😳
Definitely enjoyed these three videos! Well done!
I just hope there's Super Mutants, Deathclaws, Rad Scorpions, Ect. in season 2.
a centaur would be interesting to see also
"Somehow, the bombs returned."
Have you nor played any of the games? Nukes are everywhere and come in different sizes and yields 76 has automated missile silos that build them automatically 3 had the un detonated nuke in Megaton. Nukes are everywhere and easily accessible.
Never visited Megaton in the beginning of Fallout 3? You can’t avoid it. The town is built around a Nuke that never went off and you can choose to arm it/blow it up.
@@TheChiromaniac For what it’s worth, they aren’t meant to be common or easy to operate. Bethesda loves using them in their games for spectacle, but logically speaking they’re a massive deal to obtain and detonate within the lore. It’s absolutely a huge deal. Not that it’s impossible. But I would say the Palpatine reference is pretty warranted in this situation.
The Courier literally made the divide what it was, they nuked the divide way before you get shot by Benny, The Courier visted all the DLC's locations at least once before being shot. The Courier's nature from NV is to literally remove anyone who takes power. The ending of lonesome road without wild wasteland perk when you nuke both factions show 5 nukes.
In the games you can literally nuke the ncr
The only thing I was a lil bothered by was vault tec firing the first nuke when lore in the games said China.
I wanna know why the BOS Knights didn't turn on their helmet lights when The Ghoul was one shotting their armour in the dark and also why didn't he shoot Tidus' armour at the start if he knew about the flaw in it? Sorry I really enjoyed the show, just had 2 nit picks😅
Well if any of that happened then we wouldn't have a show. Lol All the main characters have plot armor. 😂
My theory is that the East BoS has better tech, so stuff like headlights and the armor plating is much more readily available to their knights. Western BoS sounds like it's in trouble, so it makes sense if they'd focus on armor maintenance rather than chassis augmentations.
the biggest issue is Lucy states that her mother died during the "vault plague in 77" so I think 77 was the intended date and it will have to be corrected in season 2 or just ignored.
She's an unreliable narrator.
She also somehow forgot she even left the vault so i wouldn't take her word for anything yet
@@pyrovonfire7966 yet she thinks she still remembers her mom in 77/pre 77. I think somewhere along the lines the dates were picked in a way that does not fit the timeline.
I think you're literally just clueless and need to stop acting like you know things.
Like, what are you even saying? She very clearly doesn't have all the information.
@@Hero_Of_Old Bethesda is unreliable with the lore.
Acording to the board, 2277 was the begining of the fall of shady sands. Not the fall of the bomb.
This is great to be vindicated on. My only issue now is clear with the positioning of shady sands being in the LA area. Asides from and if it’s cleared up the show is a 10/10 for me.
(Before it was a 9/10 for me exactly due to the unclarity of shady sands positioning and the timeline issues.)
Been waiting since I was 12 to get a Fallout movie or show and they delivered on every level
I don't get why Matty's being so smug here, this isn't the "win" he thinks it is. At best, the showrunners fucked it up slightly and didn't have it clarified when Shady Sands fell and was nuked. Ok, that's acceptable in a vacuum. But how're we explaining that the NCR's nowhere to be found when they're the biggest faction on the west coast and the show takes place directly inside their territory? I saw something from someone on Reddit suggesting that the show "implies that the NCR has splintered with multiple factions fighting for the title of NCR," but I don't recall that in the slightest. And if that is the case, ok... Why the fuck didn't we get a simple statement in the show from a character saying, "The NCR isn't exactly a thing anymore, they've splintered into different factions fighting for power." They didn't even have to explain and go into detail, that can be in Season 2, but we got nothing but confusion at best. And frankly, I don't really trust Bethesda and the writers to splinter the NCR and do it justice.
And for the umpteenth time, the crying about the infighting between Bethesda sycophants, haters, New Vegas lovers, old fans, etc. is infinitely bigger than the actual infighting. And let's be honest, Bethesda's wildly dropped the ball over the last decade across the board, including with not having Obsidian make another Fallout game back after New Vegas. People criticizing Bethesda and not trusting them isn't only justifiable, it'd be wrong not to do so.
Just admit you were wrong in your blind hatred
It's beyond the win, the same people complaining about the show prefer a 3d rendered butt made by another MAN, than an actual biological woman. When you read between the lines and break down the gripes, they're all weird, superficial (like above), or extremely telling in ways we don't need to know (like swooning of an image, again made by another man) The complainers are the only people making it embarrassing for the fans.
@@nc630 What "blind hatred"? Go ahead, explain how you managed to pull that out of your ass.
@@nc630Blind hatred lol? Bethesda being crap is just irrational hatred? They could have set the show anywhere yet chose to do it in the epicenter of the original lore they did not create and literally nuked it to do a soft reboot on everything. How is that not contempt? But fans of the original Fallouts are haters for noticing. I wish we actually could gatekeep frankly.
Exactly. Shady Sands not only was destroyed, it changed locations. I keep thinking how there's been a move on Bethesda's part to simplify (see how I didn't say "dumb down"?) games. The retcon (and it still feels like one) feels like grasping at straws. "Oops! Fans are in arms! Quick, say something! Um ... Shady Sands fell *right after New Vegas!* Yeah! That's what happened. ANd it moved, too. Somehow. And the nearly million living under NCR just disappeared into the wastes with no attempts at a real government, and um, um, um ... you believe me don't you? My name's Todd!" Seriously, if they wanted to destroy it and move Shady Sands to L.A. for story purposes, wouldn't it have been smarter to say call it "New Shady Sands" and then the story couild be it was destroyed X years after they moved ... what a shame! Essentially, that took 1 minute to come up with a slightly more plausible story.
I think it’s good that fans spoke up about inconsistent timelines. The show seems to leave the door open about retconning New Vegas (the blackboard and also the plague that supposedly killed Rose both being in 77). But given the backlash, Bethesda is forced to canonize New Vegas. Had there been no backlash, the retcon is more easy to push.
Anyways, I really hope they don’t just disappear the NCR, or try to tell us Moldaver was their leader…
Is it just me because I very recently bought Fallout 4+DLCS on my PS5 and can't even launch the game because every time I do. it crashes IMMEDIATELY every single time.
I want a fallout set in Nebraska, my home. Would honestly be awesome.