No, Bethesda Didn't "Ruin" Fallout New Vegas (Yet)
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- Опубликовано: 14 апр 2024
- While season 2 will bring us all the answers we seek, much of the Fallout community is in disarray following the finale of Fallout's TV show. I find myself not only very excited for what's to come, but also think Bethesda hasn't done anything as damaging as the internet suggests yet.
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I've been in the Fallout community long enough to know peeps won't keep it civil, but do try your best! We all love Fallout at the end of the day. ❤🙏
To be honest man, they fuck over fallout 1 and 2 more by moving the location of shady sands to be in L.A. which has a lot important cites next to it in fallout lore
@GoatBoat22 don't forget where fallout would be if it weren't for Bethesda.
Pretty Prevalent to the discussion. The following Historical Events all took place in the corresponding year.
Fall of Saigon: 1975
Fall of Berlin: 1945
Fall of Tokyo [ Hiroshima Atomb Bomb] : 1945
Fall of the Berlin Wall: 1989
I mad I can't watch this video yet because I'm not done watching the whole S1 yet sad 😢
It's an adaptation, not a retelling...
Patrolling the mojave almost make you wish for a nuclear winter.
They need to add this to season 2 of the show xD
Did you notice the snow when thadeus made it to the red rocket. I said this line out loud when i noticed 🤣
@@Esoterica26 I DIDNT THINK OF THAT LOL
Its so sad we will never be able to press E on an NCR soldier and hear this again, so sad.
WISH GRANTED
Bethesda really seems to hate the thought of civilization rebuilding after the war. According to Todd, no industry or governments could possibly exist 200 years after the war.
So does Tim Cain. One of the co creators of Fallout
Yeah, because the thesis of the series is that WAR NEVER CHANGES. It took civilization a long time to recover after the Bronze Age collapse, too, and that wasn't half as devastating as the bombs dropping.
@@vanyadolly they did not have electricity, trains, 100% literacy rate, and modern medicine, and thousands of years of technological advancements.
@@jacknewquist6213 They still have access to a lot of those things in Fallout. A stable society is a lot harder to rebuild and maintain. Just look at how democracy's doing today and how long it takes for countries to recover once they've been destabilized.
Even the civilization in fallout 1 was more advanced than in 3 or 4
It appears even Vault-Tec themselves weren't aware of when the bombs were going to drop. If they had The Ghoul's wife would have known, been ready, and had her daughter with her. While I believe Vault-Tec did intend to start the Great War I think someone else beat them to it.
I agree, they hinted that it was vault techs idea, but with her child with Cooper, I doubt she expected that. Sounds like a preemptive attack.
It was probably part of the strategy to cover their tracks. It would lower peoples faith in the company if the officials preemptively entered the vaults.
Even if someone beat them to it it still facilitated their agenda, and in the end if was probably better than they could have hoped for.
My theory is that Vault Tec is capable of detonating nukes underground, which would be the only way to cause craters like that. And because the nuke in the very beginning moves very slow and seems to rip through the ground, unlike the 3 that immediately follow, only minutes later I may add.
So I'm thinking Vault Tec also wanted to detonate THEIR nuke specifically. So maybe other nukes were already on their way, so Vault Tec had to pull the trigger early.
My theory is that Vault Tec is capable of detonating nukes underground, which would be the only way to cause craters like that. And because the nuke in the very beginning moves very slow and seems to rip through the ground, unlike the 3 that immediately follow, only minutes later I may add.
So I'm thinking Vault Tec also wanted to detonate THEIR nuke specifically, maybe having to do with the FEV? So maybe other nukes were already on their way, so Vault Tec had to pull the trigger early.
My only real question about the show is who cleaned up 32 before the dwellers explored it?
Agreed. Really wanted some explanation of this. A cleanup like that would have taken a big crew and there’s only a handful of people left in 33.
Maybe they unfroze some people in 31 to do it and then put them back in?
maybe theirs mr handys in vault 31
Bud is a roomba now and vacuumed it up
I mean, definitely Betty and Steph, question is who helped them?
One point I want to make to you Matty: just because there is a scene where Vault-Tec says that it would be profitable for them to launch the bombs, doesn't mean they were actually the ones to do it in the end. Indeed, there's a lot of evidence (such as Mr House's unpreparedness as you pointed out, and unfinished vaults) that suggests that it wasn't them.
Very true. The show simply confirmed that they INTENDED to.
Spoiler: One thing that really bothered me was how the Ghoul on the last episode easily executed a Brotherhood Knight in Power Armor with a single shot. He knew about a weak point in the chest plate. Yet, at the beginning of the show, when Maximus was in a Power Armor Suit, the same Ghoul couldn't slay him and ended up in a prolonged fight. This inconsistency makes little sense, because if the Ghoul knew about the weak spot, he could have easily defeated Maximus as well.
Well the ghoul prepared a special bullet before the fight compared to the time he encountered maximus.
I think he was toying with Maximus. It didn’t seem like he viewed Maximus as a threat while fighting him in the town.
I should also add, during the finale, when they started slaughtering everyone in their way, why did they let the ghoul have a whole speech?
@@nuclearstorm9775 He was smiling during the whole encounter.
also the darkness let the ghoul get close, all the brotherhood knights had to be careful where they shot since the room was full of friendlies
My guess is that Shady Sands was a huge blow for them but that the NCR will be the rising underdog in S2. They still have San Francisco, etc
Nah BOS will “win” because Bethesda hates FNV and have some obsession with BOS.
@@holyguy2940 my guy is obsessed with Bethesda, seriously though. get some help.
@@holyguy2940
The BOS are kinda pieces of shit in the show.
@@holyguy2940 nice opinion, I'm sure that was your own and not one you took from the internet.
I still don't think Vault Tec took the first shot with the nukes, despite what the show indicates. Tim Cain said Chinese fired first, and I am sticking with that.
Did Barb float the idea of VT instigating in order to secure their goal, yes. However, her whole personal drive and arc was acquiring a position that meant her family would be safe when the end came. There is no way she would let Janey be off working a party with Coop when she knew the bombs were dropping. She may be cold as ice for suggesting it, but she's a clearly loving and caring mother. Janey at the least would be in a safe place when the bombs dropped.
Most likely, Vault Tec had that idea on the table, but the Chinese still got the jump on them. This took VT by surprise, explaining the above situation (also making sense as to why they still had so many incomplete vaults). It upset House's predictions, allowing the NV story with the platinum chip to take place. Once China instigated, the US responded and VT and anyone else with a nuke got in on the action amidst the chaos.
I agree. I think Vault-Tec also doesn't NEED to be the one firing the shots, they're just pulling logistical interference to ensure that the Bombs WILL be dropped. Like what they did with Cold Fusion.
I feel like even though those guys at Vault-Tec considered it in discussion, but they aren't the ones who did it.
Makes sense
True I also think if Vault Tech were the ones to drop the bomb first then Coop's daughter would have already been with his wife instead of at a birthday party. Especially since her whole motivation is making sure her family is safe in one of the good vaults.
Well they dont even have to think irl to when the russian nuke senseor had a glitch and they almost launched nukes on the us. All vault tec had to do was make it seem like the war was happening
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What a time to be alive lol
I can only mute so fast!!
Don't. Ruin. This. For. Me.
better comments than most of Matty's regulars, i'll tell ya what.
Are you sure they're not just Nexus modders?😂
You mean those talking asses aren't real? Shit :/
Edit: Let me give you something to think about regarding Mr House and the Board Meeting. That meeting happens at the LA Vault Tec HQ. We know from Fallout 3 that Vault Tec moves their HQ to Bethesda Maryland before the bombs drop in 2077. Given that information, I believe the Pre-war segments we are seeing (minus the opening sequence obviously) are happening years before the bombs. I've not been able to find a year referenced during those scenes... so that meeting could have happened in 2075 or earlier. If you find a year on the HQ move please let me know.
One correction, Sorrell was not NCR. He named himself President of "The Govermint", because there was no one to argue against it. There was nothing in those scenes that even remotely implied that they were NCR.
I agree that the timeframe could could be anywhere from 6 Months to multiple years before the bombs.
It would change Mr. Houses preparation from just "Having a hunch" to be like "These crazy pricks are gonna nuke the world".
Plus I thought of the "Why is he doing this?" "Alimony" as a throw-away assumption. But if they are divorced, its presumably been at least a little while.
@@ninjabiatch101 It also solves a lore issue someone else pointed out. It was pointed out that Robert House despises Vault Tec in NV (havent played it in years so I forgot about that myself). However, if my timeline theory is correct, the impetus for that hate may happen sometime after that meeting.
@@higherpassionnerds7643 I mean that is more or less what I said. He prepped just like Vault Tec and Enclave did. But in his own way. Because he knew what they were going to do.
And it's Canon that it happened too early for House as well
It does take place years before the bombs drop because Cooper is supposed to be divorced and not as rich at the time the drops bomb (given that in the start of the show he's doing birthdays and whatnot)
I didn't think this being well before Oct 2077 was a question - the divorce hasn't happened yet (though likely soon), Vault-Tec is selling vaults that we know will exist (but don't yet, as they've just been proposed, and RepConn still exists as a separate entity from RobCo
Just want to say once again, this was Wizard Of Oz. Lucy's Dorothy, her brother's the lion, Maximus is Tin-Man, Ghoul is Scarecrow, Dogmeat's Toto and Lucy's dad is Oz.
I liked the black version better
@@yoyyo-fs7te ?
Not sure I follow, but fair enough.
@@yoyyo-fs7te The one with dua lipa?
@@andromedamusic9751 I dont know a Dua Lipa, sounds like an exotic retail beverage
@@yoyyo-fs7te exactly like the ones they serve in soup kitchens.
My canon ending is Mr House when I played FONV...so I hope its that also, because...you know..he is literally the only one that had an actual plan for the future of not just survival, but thriving.
I just assume that's the cannon ending and that it leads to The OuterWorlds in the future
I’m seriously thinking this is what’s going to be the canon ending regarding the show as the other three endings don’t link up for the show
Why show Mr. House in that flashback if he's not going to show up in season 2?
@@Karlach_ well I’m afraid what they’re going to do is that MR house will be the canon ending, but is somehow going to lose Vegas or Vegas gets destroyed based on how it is in episode 8. I feel like if Mr House is the ending they choose, new Vegas would NOT be in ruins at the time of the show
I always go Wild Card but I'm fine with a House Always Wins canon ending. What would be interesting is if in Season Two (fingers crossed) that we might get some Legion Remnants or at least some kind of nod to that faction.
I don't know how realistic it is but, I would LOVE to see a HAM Radio Podcast reunion episode just to talk about the Fallout show. Along with some daydreaming about what the next game is and who might develop it. Love your content regardless
I would rather they do east coast stuff instead and do an ending to their games. Don’t like them doing New Vegas
Yea, I always hoped that they would have set a show like this in Alaska considering it’s importance in the lore and the fact that it really hasn’t been explored yet after the Great War.
You could have some interesting factions such as Chinese remnants, US army remnants, local Alaskans trying to unify and rebuild, and maybe some Inuit inspired tribes.
I would like them to take a magnifying glass to new states and develop them in unique and interesting ways rather than just copy and pasting like they did with so much of the east coast. Instead we just have them messing with already established west coast lore, I would have really preferred if they just left California alone.
Why not?
They are mixing it all together that's why none of it makes any sense.
so dont watch it
My biggest gripe with the show is how they treat the wasteland over 200 years after the bombs/after NCR has collapsed. There’s no warring states or remnants of the NCR culture. No one knows how to make new clothes or build new things. Everyone lives in shanty towns or pre-war housing. Which is how the fallout world looks under Bethesda now.
I’m of the mindset that it’s cool to see the wasteland go from a more Mad Max/MacGyvered aesthetic to sort of resembling a functional society again.
I understand some people don’t like that, but my question is, why not just set it closer to after the Great War? The need to constantly reset the wasteland, whether it be tunnelers or a vault tec bomb feels frivolous to me. Otherwise I enjoyed the show and have accepted that this is how fallout will be now.
Edit: grammar
I’d like to add that I’m fine with them doing an NCR collapse story. I just wish it would have been more like a Civil War instead. The NCR is written to be an analog of pre-war United States. It’s going through a lot of the same struggles: you’ve got over expansion, egregious taxes on a population that is not benefiting from government spending, corruption in government from rich individuals like the brahmin barons, and warhawkish politicians.
I think that’s really interesting and I want the writers to play around with that. Having the nuke just feels cheap to me. I guess it feels like a lot of cool story lines now can’t be told but maybe season two will change my mind in a couple years.
Because it’s fallout, a post apocalyptic story. They know that most people are interested in the idea of a waste land and maybe some remnants of society and people trying to rebuild but once things fully begin to rebuild and they start making entire cities where there is no danger, what’s the point?
I like to think that NCR did not entirely collapse, but still decided to mostly abandon this region after Shady Sands got nuked, as they have million other things on their plate right now.
And the observatory is just an outpost that they maintain as a base of operations and surveillance in case they decide to take back full control of the region in the near future.
Kinda reminds me of how it went in a mod "Fallout: Dust", where New Vegas gets destroyed but NCR evacuates from Mojave, but still keeps a functioning outpost in MacCarran.
@@breadboi8747 New Vegas worked didn't it? Have something larger like the Legion looming on the horizon, pulling strings on the raider Gangs, and viola! Tension!
Zach Hazard was right, they are turning this into the East Coast.
@@breadboi8747 New Vegas had nucleuses of civilization but was still on the edge of NCR and Legion territory. It doesn’t necessarily have to be an all or nothing thing.
And like I said in my comment, why not just set it closer to after the bombs drop?
Destroying the capital is not just about population. Capitals are centers of administration, home of most leadership and often richest and most developed cities losing a city like that along with all your leaders can easily lead to a power vacuum and collapse
Capitals can be relocated and secondary cities of power can become the new main ones.
The billboard said FIRST capital of the NCR. No reason to list first capital of anything unless there was a second capital.
The capital being destroyed doesn't automatically mean every other city falls. There has to be a couple self sustaining cities willing to carry on the ncr or become independent powers.
I don't believe NCR is so incompetent they dont have contingencies for if a disaster should hit the capital, cities like New Reno, San Francisco, Vault City, the Boneyard would retaliate... there is no way vault 31-33 would stay safe after that.
Doesn’t sound like shady sands was the current capital of the NCR given the whole “FIRST” wording they used on the billboard
So, the canon should either be…the Courier went with an indépendant New Vegas, or they let House live and Hank will have to take it from him
I'm not sure since the tunnlers probably took over new vegas
why would hank randomly run away to take new vegas. mr house probably has some kind of vault tec information or other cryo chambers
The real horror of Season 1?
Where's the caviar in Vault 4 coming from?
That was the most disturbing thing I have ever seen in a TV show…😂
Fish, they still exist.
@@corypowercat7277 gulpers :O
I thought it was oysters. Those are a canned item. I wouldn’t be surprised that vault wouldn’t have something special or unique to it from pre war
I mean I'm just as suspicious of the hundred years old spam. It's possible they have a fish farm. Caviar is sturgeon roe specifically.
The only thing that bugs me is that Lucy says her mother died in “the plague of ‘77” in episode 4 so maybe shady sands is supposed to have been destroyed then in the show
I don't understand why people say Bethesda doesn't hate Interplay-Obsidian BUT Bethesda does this... They nuked Shady Sands and have the Strip destroyed.
I know vault tec wanted to kick off the great war, but Cooper's wife would wait for her daughter and then launch from inside the vault. But she is with Cooper when the bombs drop so maybe the Chinese beat vault tec to the punch...come on season 2
Yeah this is one of those things where we've had hints multiple factions where all going to basically start the war. Even Aliens. This is just another spelling out that Vault-Tek obviously had a plan to do it but that doesn't mean they got to that point.
Least till the show directly showcases it and probably was fired a day earlier for some reason or other. I personally hope they keep that bit vague because that's just what Fallout's been doing for 5-ish games now.
Whoever is in charge of Vault_tec may have wanted to get the plan kicked off and started it early without telling the people below him.
I have over 10k hours into fallout between 3,4 New Vegas and 76 and I had huge worries that they were going to screw this up but I loved every minute of it and I’ve watched the complete season twice already. It’s not perfect however it is a tv show not a game, I’m just glad they didn’t make it for a “modern audience”. It was completely recognizable and a lot of fun, I’ll trust them for seasons 2.
I think the twist for season two will be the brothethood was involved with the nuking of shady sands. They hated ncr. They wouldn't show up as hunanitarians. "Hurt the people who hurt me" will be a major theme for all characters in season 2. Fanatastic show and fantastic piece of Fallout media. I have a suspicion that we're about to be eating good, boys. F5 West Coast ?
Edit: Could the tunnelers have something to do with all the deathclaws in the strip? I can't decide if the ncr tried to take vegas or fucking deathclaws invaded. Either way, bet House filled that vault with concrete for a reason we're about to find out.
Which would make absolutely no sense because the BoS has always been about scavenging and gatekeeping technology like that to PREVENT it from being used.
But Elder Maxson in Fallout 4 was okay with essentially nuking the Institute? The new BoS is war more fanatical in Militarist@@nautilusguts
@@Justin-fg2im That's the problem right there. The show ignores the whole plot point of the BoS having different Chapters. Maxson's east coast chapter is clearly the one in the show (because of the airship) but that begs the question as to where the Lost Hills chapter and Mojave chapter were during the show and of course why tf the east coast chapter would be all the way in LA
@@Ronin.97they mentioned it was to chase the enclave refugee if I remember correctly
I just hope they provide an explanation that makes sense. I still don't see how a dormant Vault Tec management Vault could organise the delivery of a nuke to shady sands. Do they have launch codes to remaining Silos? Where did the nuke come from? How many do they have? Why not nuke the rest of the NCR?
That last bit is something I'm worried about. It's clear Bethesda wants to "reset" the west coast and level the playing field by getting rid of the NCR, which is annoying but I've made my peace with it. But I fear that they think nuking Shady Sands is a good enough reason for the NCR to disappear, and it's not because that was just one of many cities in the NCR. NCR has over 700,000 people, SS had roughly 35,000 people and their army was not stationed there. So realistically the NCR should still have a huge presence but.... they just don't? And now the Brotherhood who were in hiding are now the only major presence that we see and the NCR aren't around to challenge them? The Brotherhood and NCR should be at full scale war at this point.
Time will tell if we see that they still exist in a big way, but it feels like Bethesda wanted to get rid of them but forgot that they're a nation spanning the entire west coast, not just one city.
If they show in season 2 that the NCR is still around in a big way and that the Brotherhood and NCR have actually been at war this whole time, and that's why both factions were fighting to get the head, then that will actually be pretty cool because an NCR/Brotherhood war is a good way to link west coast and east coast.
I had caution when I saw the strip at the end but my hope is that season 2 includes a lot of the New Vegas lore and its a launching pad for a New Vegas Two game which is a joint venture (since now both Bethesda and Obsidian). This will be released between now and the many years until Fallout 5, with a large amount of new fans from the TV show.
I hope that too, but it's just too good to be true
House ending is my favorite so I think it would be really cool if that one became canon.
I'm rewatching the show for the 2nd time (yes I know, already). I'm trying to figure out if anything was mentioned as to how Moldaver ended up still alive 200+ years after the bombs drop. Was she in a cryogenic chamber somewhere? I can't say she'd have been in Vault 31, unless she somehow snuck in before the bombs hit. She did mention she was a scientist, but working on cold fusion. So maybe one of her companies she worked at (that Vault Tec gobbled up) had a shelter or a vault with cryogenic tech in it.
yeah, thats a thing that also bothers me
in the end shot of new vegas there’s a reference to other cryo pods at the tops i think, so they’re probably pretty easy to come by. they’ll explain it next season in flashbacks, definitely more of that coming.
I’d like to imagine that being a scientist specializing in researching an unlimited power source would be an easy choice for a vault Tec ally, and she seemed smart enough to play them to ensure her survival while waiting for an opportunity to turn on them. How it all went down beats the hell outta me, but idk that’s my theory.
Lucy’s incomplete fuzzy memory of Shady Sands makes complete sense. Kids who undergo trauma or abuse often end up with glossed-over janky recall of crazy stuff that happened - ESPECIALLY with adults like Hank and Betty rewriting the story of what happened to her mom. Getting more background on Hank and Muldaver in season 2 will probably force Lucy to realize she didn’t understand what was happening around her when she was little.
Lol says someone who's clearly not lived through trauma at a young age most people actually don't forget and have to go to therapy later in life speaking from experience buddy psychology is pseudo science bud can't just trust what you read in the books gotta actually live life
Doesn't require that much explanation, she was a baby, most people don't remember being one or two years old.
@yayap001 a baby that could walk and talk yeah totally man
@@devinkonquer3334 my comment was a sentence long yet you didn't manage to understand it, remarkable.
@@yayap001 She was like 6 but I agree, I barely remember shit from when I was 12, let alone 6.
I HAVE THE ANSWER!!
Hear me out! The key to the dates is the age of Lucy! There is a specific line in episode five minute 18:05, where Lucy is describing what it was like to look up at the sun with her mother. Lucy stated that she was four years old when she was looking up at the sun with her mother, you can see her in episode 8 minute 30:05. Now if Lucy is 18 years old when she leaves the vault, this is assuming that she reaches legal age to get married, that would mean the bombs fell on Shady Sands 14 years prior to her leaving the vault. This would make the year 2282.
She says up until she was 6 she believed it was real and stopped after her mom died in 2277 due to "famine". She's 25 now. But you're not too far off with the date. I believe they fell in 2281 right after the 2nd Hoover Dam battle
What if hank is heading to Vegas to use houses pod to reactivate the lucky 38s reactor and all remaning securitrons after a yes man ending.
What if you leave mr house is in the pod without control and thats the canon end
I have a interesting idea. what if House knew one day his body would not last so as a backup to keep his dream alive he had a AI backup.
I think the show leads us to believe Hank nuked Shady Sands to make sure the mother of his children was DEAD, he says she was dangerous because she took her kids outside the vault to Shady Sands, so when he took them back he nuked the place with their mother in it. As petty as reasons go I think it's on point for Fallout. lol
he nuked shady sands cause it was civilization being rebuilt. Vault Tec didn't want that cause their plan, as stated in the final episode of the show, was to come back out from the vaults after all the people on the surface died out and rebuild the world as they saw fit. That couldn't happen if the NCR and Shady Sands rebuilt civilization themselves.
I'd buy it. He definitely seemed a little more unhinged after Moldaver explained his secrets. It's like the happy, corporate Vault-Tec persona completely disappeared.
@@numbron803 in the grand scheme of things, vault tech has failed in their utopia goals. They can’t stop progress. Now the BOS got unlimited energy. What are they going to do with it? If I was them, use it build up a new cities and grow new army. It high time clear out all the dangerous creatures out in the wasteland.
The canon ending could be a combination of both endings you presented... but im curious as to what cold fusion means for the future for fallout, specifically the games. Could we finally see drivable vehicles because of this new tech? Assuming Bethesda somehow implements drivable vehicles in their engine one day... they did manage to add drivable spaceships and spaceship battles with the CE2 for starfield, i can see land vehicles being the equivalent for fallout 5
I don't like
-New Vegas being run down
-Vault Tec having started the whole apocalypse
-Mr House being in on it.
I think this does spit in the face of the lore. The "we don't know who fired the first shots" is so key to Fallout lore imo. I feels like a Hollywood move of taking another shot at corporations and capitalism. Like that is the entire lore of Fallout. We didn't need to actually say they caused the war. The vault lore is bad enough by far.
The crazy thing is, Fallout season 2 is years away and yet it will be here before FO5 or TES6.
As for the show, I loved it. I was sceptical, but very pleased with what they had for us.
They will have to reveal the cannon ending of New Vegas in season 2 almost certainly. They also revealed in part the Fallout 4 ending as it has to be one where the brotherhood not only survives in the commonwealth but decides to stay, this likely being the Minuteman ending where both the Railroad and BOS still both exist and the surviving synths are the reason the BOS is still in the commonwealth.
We can rule out the Institute and Railroad endings automatically as in both those the BOS is destroyed.
I can’t wait for season 2. I hype for it. Big fallout fan here. New Vegas probably has a big secret that Hank knows he can leverage to compete with the brother hood. Since they now got a very new power source. He going to see them as a huge threat so seems like last ditch effort to turn the tide into his favor.
One thing I don't see people talking about enough is that the snake oil guy gave the brotherhood scribe a dose of FEV that ghoulified him.
We dont know if it is FEV, but i hope it is.
@@victorromano6707 yea he made a point to mention it's green color too. As a reference to the color we see in fallout 1
The only known ghoulification involving FEV is potentially Harold, and it’s not even confirmed if he was already a ghoul before it but involved radiation *and* FEV.
Bro you could be onto something here holy shit
That was my theory when I watched it. When he healed up like that and survived being shot through the neck. None of that is a ghoul thing so it's FEV and I knew that snake oil guy was up to something.
I’m really curious to see where season 2 takes us. After that first season, we’re left with a lot of questions relating to not just the characters, but now the lore itself. They might be able to tie everything together in a way that leads us into Fallout 5 beautifully.
The only way is for the show to be in its own timeline because everything minus 76 stuff and a few things in 4 was fine. The show is good but just feels like scorched earth for Bethesda not to Change the way they make fallout games
From Shady Sands onward the show was ruined for me. I went into the show thinking okay this is their IP now Bethesda is going to do what they do, but I was surprised at how upset I was after seeing that whiteboard and the closing scene of the show. I wont say they shat all over my favorite game series but it certainly feels that way. Disappointed.
Spoiler: I think you’re inferring something about those sheriffs that isn’t there. They only identify themselves as part of the government, and when they arrive at Sorrel’s place the sign only say “The Governmint” on it. At 38:32 you get a clear shot of Sherriff Troy’s badge, and it has no identifying marks and looks like it’s made of scrap or was heavily worn. Nothing about this indicates they are “NCR remnants”, if anything it makes the NCR seem less cohesive since there are parallel systems of governance operating within Southern California.
I get why people think it's a retcon. It definitely looked like one to me as well, but after thinking about it further, I don't think they meant to imply it was nuked in 2077. I believe that was the start of the decline which led to the eventual nuking of Shady Sands. I wouldn't be surprised if it turns out the Brotherhood of Steel had a hand in it as well. Why else would Maximus immediately run into a Knight during the event? I suppose they could have been scavenging, but somehow it feels nefarious to me. Plus he wants to hurt the people who hurt him and the Brotherhood being responsible would be an interesting twist.
Speaking of the Brotherhood, I really want to know what their deal is. I had assumed the west would have built the airship from blueprints supplied by the east coast, but their reaction to its arrival would suggest it was built and launched by the east coast who sent reinforcements out west. Sadly the Brotherhood's POV in the show is from Maximus' POV and so we don't get any real interactions between the arriving Brotherhood soldiers and those led by Elder Quintus. Despite Fallout 4 establishing the west coast as having recognized Arthur Maxson's authority, Quintus wasn't pleased with how the Brotherhood was being run and has his own ambitions. I really hope this is explored further in another season.
I hope this show does get more seasons because it was surprisingly good. I hope we can also get more of the crazier stuff from Fallout in the series. They're diving into Vault-Tec and corporate conspiracy, so maybe we'll see how they involved alien technology into there plans. I wouldn't mind seeing them explore the Zetans further. Perhaps a Lovecraftian plot line involving Jack Cabot finding his lost city in the Mojave? Finally I would like to see the introduction of the Midwestern Brotherhood someday. Their game is technically non-canon, but their existence is still teased. This show could be the perfect place to reintroduce them back into canon.
Matty, I've heard you mention a few times that you're working on a game of your own. As a big fan of yours (and a man with a similar taste in video games ) I've been curious about your project. Is there anywhere that you've shared details about it or a timeline of when you plan to share some info?
I wonder if they will explore the invasion of the tunnelers from the divide. This New Vegas would put the timeline in line with what Ulysses says about them in becoming a huge threat to the area. If Big MT was canon from the DLC's of NV then Lonesome Road would make sense as well.
Lay off the acid Matty
just cuz the lights on the strip arent on doesnt mean its destroyed
The massive amount of wreckage and destroyed robots outside does.
@@Starsteam1 do we know the stylised end credits are canon tho?
@@oswinosgood7870 It's where the main villain is going to
@@oswinosgood7870 they had the same credits after every episode showing the destroyed settings they’d been walking around or towards, why would only the last episode be fake
@@Starsteam1 yeah i didnt see that till later.
Hello Matty, I know this comment is off topic, but can you make a video on lore changes found in the show. I'm not too familiar with fallout so trying to research lore is hard. I googled when the bombs drop and it said 9:47 EST which would result in the opening of the show not making sense since west coast time would be 6:47PST and we clearly see a birthday party at noon or whatever. So I need your help looking up what is canon and what is not.
Great video by the way man.
I personally think the fall could be it's place as a capital being erroded, then it was a smaller settlement, which Lucy and her mom lived at, Moldover had left vault 31 (or however she froze herself) Hank came looking for his wife after she left the vault, Moldover recognized Hank from prewar times so Hank needed to keep the situation quiet from the private fiefdom they had in the vault, so possibly asked the BIG MT crew to nuke the place.
I think Hank is going to find house who is still in suspension maybe?
I'm looking forward to it a lot though and was pleasantly surprised!
Hank/Vault-Tec nuked Shady Sands because his wife and Moldaver took Lucy away from him. Also the reason why Lucy’s mother opened up Vault 32, looking for revenge/take back Lucy.
Pretty sure mom got turned to a ghoul in the nuke, they just used her pipboy to open the vault.
It wasnt the main reason. He could have killed his wife and just take the kids. He "overreacted" because it was their mission that only vault tec people should be the only ones establishing a civilization.
Oxhorn released a video yesterday breaking down the timeline and specific dates of events (especially Shady Sands).
I saw it. It's also good.
When those credits rolled I was so excited to think about more content revolving around taking one of the endings and running with it. My less serious side wants to see Yes Man as the head honcho haha.
I still wanna know how the Enclave runaway dude still was with the enclave especially since weren’t they completely wiped out and most of their tech absorbed by other fractions (East coast chapter of the BoS took a massive amount)
Have we had any confirmation that Vault-Tec dropped the bombs other than the show ending?
There’s that one bomb in megaton with the vault tec logo
In the planned fallout movie that was only in the script writing face before being cancelled. in the movie it was supposed to be revealed that Vault tec caused the great war
New Vegas is my favorite game and I'm a big fan of the NCR in that game so it did hurt to see them in such a poor state. That being said the entire tone of the NCR quest line is screaming they're stretched too thin and will inevitably be their own demise. It seems like the house ending or wild card might be canon. Although the NCR could've defended the dam and just crumbled from within like the game suggestes. If house is alive in the next season of the show we know what the canon ending is
I might be alone in this, but the idea that Vault-Tec goes around crushing any thriving new civilizations makes me wonder if they were behind the package the courier took to The Divide.
Ulysses himself said that he saw something special there, that it could be a good chance at a fresh start, and it met a similar fate to what befell Shady Sands.
I'm probably reading too far into things, but it's been playing at the back of my mind since I watched the show.
The 2277 date was written by Flame Mother loyalists so who knows if Shady Sands was even destroyed then or just went ‘down the wrong path.’ Flame Mother could be referring to some leadership change and the start of the expansion campaign to take The Divide as where NCR went wrong and Shady Sands ‘first fell to bad leaders.’ What a strange name for a leader after your town gets nuked… some weird stuff going on with that one.
Since the events of Fallout: New Vegas and the Fallout TV show take place 15 years apart, it's safe to say that OF COURSE New Vegas isn't all lit up. However, my theories regarding the ending of episode 8 are:
1. Hank McLean traveled to New Vegas/the Mojave in order to seek out Robert House, assuming the showrunners choose the "Mr. House" ending to Fallout: New Vegas. It would explain the NCR vertibird and downed Securitrons outside of the perimeter of The Strip; New Vegas went to war with the NCR, in an attempt to drive them out of the Mojave.
2. Hank McLean traveled to New Vegas in order to seek out The Courier, who is still alive and controls The Strip, assuming the showrunners choose the "Independent New Vegas" ending. It would explain why New Vegas is not as lively as it once was, as anarchy ruled the streets.
The thing that really bothers me about this discord is just how petty it comes off. We've had so many adaptations of videogames over the decades. Half the time they just feel like they took another script and changed names and location names. And even when they dont, they generally dont feel like the game and theyre never good.
The fact that a blackboard is the biggest controversy in the discourse is probably a good sign for the rest of the show... but its still like... come on. This is what we are fighting about?
As the famous saying goes, "No one hates Fallout more than Fallout fans."
NV fans nitpicking, that same scene builds us up to the Remnants of NCR in Vault 4, and then NV Fans said NCR no longer exist.
@@TheCapitalWandererif they are remnants, that means the organisation no longer exists
@@leonrussell9607 explain the big NCR flag behind Hank Maclean in Griffin Observatory in Episode 8, how about the same flag that is put alongside the chalkboard in Vault 4, come on. explain, i wanna hesr your master plan about how a major faction would just disappear from existence
@@TheCapitalWanderer yes, there are flags, that doesn't mean the NCR is still around
The fact that there is only small holdouts means that the NCR is no longer in power and doesn't exist anymore
They are continuing the story and I’m personally all here for it. I love this direction personally. What if this leads to the Khans moving to the Pacific NW canon? Also I think Caesar’s Legion gets some mention in S2
Anyone else wondering where tf elder maxon is? This show takes place around 9 years after fallout 4 so theoretically the young elder should still be around right? And it has to be the same faction that appears in fallout 4 because of the prydwyn.
I think they smacked it out of the park. Inconsistencies are all over the games. Jet comes to mind. I don't care if they got a date wrong. Making TV is hard. The show feels as good as any of the games. Everybody's going nuts over the parent/child story line without taking into account what it would be like living in the Wasteland. The strongest connections children have is with the people that care for them. Often ending in tragic death. Waring factions, drugged crazed murderers and killer monsters are everywhere. Everything is deadly and poisonous. No internet or TV to distract you. It seems like relationships would drive thousands to have adventures of some kind. Bethesda does the "Prisoner" thing in Elder Scrolls and the "Coming of Age" thing in Fallout. How many ways can you make a hero? Who knows what Microsoft will do but I do know that there's a massive amount of earning potential so lets see where it goes.
the parent child story works way better in the show than it does in the games yeah. think it’s too personal a hook for an rpg story, raises the stakes too high for the character when the player has little actual reason to care beyond being told. but tv shows aren’t rpgs, works good for just a story being told.
also closing it out with mentioning the earning potential is pretty funny. baffling, but funny.
My favorite retcon I dont see discussed that much is how the vault expirements are now a commentary on competition and capitalism instead of a way to collect data the Enclave could use for their starship voyage to colonize a new planet.
That doesn't necessarily contradict each other.
That's been a retcon since the 3. Tim Cain said it's what they envisioned, but the games hardly ever outright tell you so I wouldn't call it a "retcon."
The biggest thing I've always hated about the Fallout narrative is its attack on "Capitalism" when it's, at best, an infantile interpretation of a caricature of what Capitalism actually is. Then it's made somehow worse by imbeciles trying to clap like retarded seals in defense of it.
Mr. Matty, Sir. Excellent channel and love the variety of IP you celebrate. I haven’t played any Fallout whatsoever, but just finished S1 and loved it. Which game title do I begin the journey with?
If you can overlook the janky gameplay. 3 and new Vegas are good. New Vegas more because the show set in California. Also some people here say it’s the greatest thing since sliced bread. Then 4, especially with the next gen patch.
It depends man, if you are not someone who is super graphics-oriented, just like others mentioned, 3 and New Vegas, but for someone purely who just wants an easy way to get into the fallout game experience, Fallout 4 is the best choice. It also has the Brotherhood of Steel as one of the main factions within the game so there's that.
or if you want the classic isometric RPG experience, there is Fallout 1 and 2
It says "Fall of Shady Sands," followed by an image of a nuke with no date. It does not say Shady Sands was nuked in 2077...
but why would hank nuke Shady Sands if it was already fallen? And why did Rose take her kids from a safe vault into a fallen city?
@numbron803 It's from the perspective of the Vault, so the "fall" could mean many things to them. It could mean that's when trouble & in-fighting started, or maybe famine. But obviously the city itself was still there to be nuked, even if not at its peak power/population anymore.
I think Rose took her kids just to get away from Hank & the vault, then settled in Shady Sands because she became close (probably romantically) to Moldaver. Moldaver may have been in the process of restarting up her cold fusion tech, and Hank saw that as a threat.
Even if the city wasn't thriving, it was still dangerous if Moldaver took succeeded in her research. Then again, these are all theories & I could be completely wrong, but I think there's plenty of room to make it work
@@numbron803by the time new vegas takes place apparently the west was already on hard times because of how badly the ncr spread itself thin trying to take as much land as possible, you hear it alot from soldiers and others in new vegas
I’m pretty sure the writers fucked up. Set it a few years later and there would be no issue. Someone probably saw the 2277 date and mixed it up with another date, and didn’t realize this would cause a big issue with connecting to New Vegas. Bethesda and the writers should come out and change that chalk board in post. Also in hindsight, tying events in so closely with an established game is asking for trouble, why not wait 10 years after NV to start changing things?
"The fall of", doesn't mean it was nuked that year.
hopefully whatever questions we have about NV being apart of the canon get answered in S2. but maybe shady sands got moved after the bombing. maybe the NCR decided to be more cautious with their capitals location after that fall caused by Maclean.
I thought I saw something from twitter confirming none of the New Vegas endings will be overwritten
My big question: is bethesda aware the NCR is bigger than just shady sands and will they address this? Or do they think a single small capital being destroyed would just end the whole faction
The billboard in front of Shady Sands calls it the FIRST capital of the NCR. This implies there was at least another capital established AND prior to the collapse of Shady Sands. It seems likely they’re aware that NCR does not equal Shady Sands.
@@evolab8983 hope they can also establish what happened to other NCR territories like Vault City
Dude has some serious blinders on
In no new vegas ending does it lead to New Vegas being destroyed and lifeless as it is in the end of the show. The only way that could happen is some todd bullshit just like they did with the NCR, "and then they just collapsed".
Is Angela Williams (scientist at 3:33) really Lee Moldaver/Flame Mother?
She was Ms. Williams on the show...
I think of it like "do we really know the true history of anything?" like dates and times in this world can be vague or improperly told to people because its the apocalypse i wouldnt take any lore as concrete in this world because everyone is deceptive.
I take this approach as well. I see so many people get caught up in things like, this note said this and then act like that means it must remain as so, like as if that note couldn't just be wrong.
The only time I don't think this works is if the previous information shouldn't / couldn't have been wrong.
Yeah like even Fallout one and 2 had inconsistent timelines between them, plus like you say it's been an apocalypse!
Not only that the developers stated when it was Black Isle studios that each game happens in the same world with connecting threads but that they don't pay too much attention to linking it all up, the modern obsession with having a big consistent timeline between projects just wasn't as important as it is in the Internet era of ultra fandoms, don't get me wrong I love theory crafting and lore but more as fun, it doesn't spoil a series having such small details being inconsistent in my opinion.
I feel sorry for people that get so genuinely upset about lore to the point that it stops them enjoying something that is a great adaptation of a thing they claim to care about.
But the dates are all accurate. And written by the survivors of Shady Sands. There’s no reason to assume the dates are wrong.
@@austinsultenfuss7661 everyone thinks ‘2277 fall of shady sands’ means that’s when the bomb dropped
@@obscure.reference I mean it probably is. Lucy’s mother disappeared in 2277. Which lines up with the bomb.
2 characters we need to see make an appearance: Lanius and Joshua Graham
Burned man for sure
Wish we got a Ron Perlman monologue in the show :/
Todd Howard confirmed in an interview with IGN that the fall of Shady Sands and the nuke were two separate events. And he clarified that New Vegas is still canon and that Shady Sands was destroyed not long after the game. The NCR is still around also. Despite peoples misunderstandings nothing has been retconed.
One thing you missed in the video is the potential retcon of who dropped the bombs, although it may not be a retcon. As you stated Vault-Tec had plans to drop the bombs and bring about the apocalypse, but we don't definitively know that they actually did. This goes against both Tim Cain, one of the original Fallout creators, answering in an interview that it was China that dropped the first bombs, and in Fallout 2 you can find a Chinese computer that has logs talking about China's plans to drop the bombs. So canonically it was China, and for now I'm taking the Vault-Tec scene as them making plans to drop the first bomb but getting beat to it by China (which is why House wasn't ready), and also a confirmation that they had access to nukes to allow for the destruction of Shady Sands and to keep them an ongoing threat.
It could just mean China best them to it.
@@seraby7151 I did say that, my final sentence was me saying that for now i'm interpreting what was in the show as Vault-Tec making plans but China beating them to it.
24min video, put for 10min, over 100 likes already.
Smash that algorithm button.
Great video so far, Matty.
The answer to the Mr house question I think is that vault-tec didn't get to drop the bombs. I think that he had planned for a later date when vault-tec was going to drop them but somebody else did it first
what game are you working on? is it an RPG?
new vegas is literally in ruins dude
Sounds like your life
Always has been
So canon ending is yes man or house and the fighting wrecked the city?
Like it’s not hard to make this work. Picking a canon ending happens doesn’t it retcons the game just picks a definitive path.
It's not, all the credit scenes have buildings in ruin for a style choice
Because all the end credits are in areas with ruined buildings
The NCR fought the legion in 2077. I think the fall of shady sands is referring to the fact that after they failed to actually defeat caesars legions they started to lose control of the area. We know they were spread really thin in new vegas because of trying to hold the dam as well as the rest of their territory.
Exactly, downfall is not the same as “complete destruction.”
Whaaat? People who understand context? No way.
Bro there is nothing in the show that talks about anything like that. Every single thing you hear about shady sands in this show is how it got nuked. No where in the show is it alluded to anything else. Vault 4 has many refugees from shady sands why would they have an entire timeline of their history including some vague "fall" but not an actual date on the nuking of their city? It only makes sense for the fall to be the nuke, considering this show is also for people who know nothing about fallout.
@@321CBA19 The temporal timeline implies it happened after the fall. If Vault 4 has refugees from Shady Sands it goes to reason it fell then got nuked.
The timeline in Vault 4 literally has arrows telling you what event followed what.
@@magepunk7711 It literally means that the nuke was the fall
We can also see Aeron Kimballs picture during the vault 4 ritual. That was cool
Did they literally use the image from FNV. 😆
Does anyone think there is any significance to the Merch on the Bethesda website not being available until November 2024? Like these games always launch around October and November. Could there be something coming? (Obviously not fallout 5) but a remaster? Something? I found it suspicious
Probably not, as Fallout 3 remaster is still 2 years away so I could see it coming for the next season maybe.
@@karthick9552goddamnit, why a remaster? that game needed plenty of overhauls.
Its funny how before the show was released nolan said in the interview that the show will cause an uproar among the fans and you can't please everyone because NCR the fan favorite faction would have its capital destroyed, but in reality when the show was released the thing that generated the most controversy is a freakin date 💀
Yea, I think most people who played New Vegas were expecting the NCR to be hindered in some way.
In that game we are told that all of California’s aquifers were tapped dry, there is a food crisis, the military was stretched too thin, and the NCR congress is rife with corruption due to the lobbying of powerful Brahmin Barons.
I think a lot of the disappointment stems from the fact that they didn’t build upon those seeds planted in new Vegas, they just pulled a “somehow, the enclave has returned!” Which just comes across as a major plot contrivance.
I realize that I’m saying this as an amateur fan who has no experience with writing or running a show. But I still think it would have been more interesting if the NCR collapsed from civil war due to the reasons listed above, rather than resurrecting the enclave out of nowhere and nuking shady sands.
In the TV Show, they’ve completely changed the lore on ghouls, the brotherhood of steel, morphed the NCR into a raider gang and messed up on the year Shady Sands nuked. In this vid, you say”I think” an awful lot…. Those “I thinks” are doing a lot of heavy lifting 😂.
Matty! Idk if you will read this because there are already alot of comments here but i think people should also be discussing the enclaves role with vault tech.
This introduction of a vault tech post war agenda seems unusual to me because i thought once the enclave really got involved with vault tech the vaults pretty much just became testing grounds for the enclave to gain info from.
Why would the enclave even care to try and sell vaults to other companies? Where does the "reclamation day" thing fit in with the enclaves plans?
My jaw dropped when I saw New Vegas at the end there. I was in so much disbelief, I thought it was Seattle, confusing The Tops for the Seattle Space Needle. It floored me seeing the New Vegas sign during the credits. Looking forwardt for Season 2 and Fallout 5.
Here is something to ponder. Perhaps Todd hasnt let Obsidian make a NV2 because the show has been in the works for a few years, and quite possibly they may let them work on a different Fallout that has nothing to do with NV? If that's so, and Bethesta's track record of keeping things super secrete would kinda make sense on them denying stuff. You never know.
I recall the show being planned since 2019.
It still doesn't make sense how the brotherhood has so much power in the west, i know in Nevada they werent that strong so what happened to McNamara and his brotherhood of steel? Will they get rescued by the brotherhood from the tv show?
retcon
It really doesn’t look like they have “so much” power to me. I mean they have an airship and a means to deploy troops and win engagements, but there’s really no one to oppose them so they look powerful by default. But they aren’t governing in any capacity, and it doesn’t look like they would have the means to hold large swaths of territory or project any sort of lasting power. Maybe that will change since they have the cold fusion, but we’ll see.
Bethesda shows a lot of favoritism to the BOS so that’s why
@@zaab-yaoh9302 bruh BOS is in fallout 76 when they shouldn’t even exist. do you think Bethesda or Todd Howard care about continuity lol
To be fair there’s no one to compete with them
Glad to see you talk bout all this! Hoover dam battle 1 was 2277 so I think the decline correlated to that first battle and them stretching out. Also another cool tb i saw was I thought the ghouls using fev to keep themselves sane was a nifty tb to the fallout Bible! I believe it was that or one of the og writers who said fev kept some humans from having specific cell degeneration. Shady sands’ “fall” I think is just the decline of ncr starting after the first battle of the Hoover dam. After that they got stretched thin and in fnv people stated the decay in the ncr would become pretty bad in a decade. Also the fnv ending I think they chose is the legion or ncr, with the ncr or legion sacking new Vegas later on after the second battle of Hoover dam (ncr needs more supply/legion hates the city)
I’m a huge fan of new Vegas still my favorite game to this day. I’ll also be the first to criticize Bethesda’s storytelling especially when it comes to fallout. Yet I loved the show and didn’t find anything in it that made me feel like like they disrespected new Vegas. In fact the complete opposite the show felt like a love letter to all fallout games. I think the writers and Jonathan Nolan have some ideas and have planted some good starting points that will further bring love and appreciation to New Vegas.
I think the 2277 date for Shady Sands is intentionally vague. I’m in the camp that believes Shady Sands experienced a defeat in battle or an economic decline. Then the nuke came after. Anyway, I want to wait for Season 2 & then make a full judgement. I don’t want to jump to conclusions about Shady Sands & the NCR. I understand some concerns but at the same time, People are being WAY too overdramatic about this.
Fair point.
"A defeat in battle" that doesn't make any sense, wouldn't this be mentioned in NV? I mean a capital of Nation being defeated isn't something that wouldn't be mentioned. That doesn't make any sense and even leaves more questions than answers. Also, I really don't think the writers were trying to be vague here, it just seems like they poorly executed a way to simply explain the timeline of shady sands. Like everything else on that chalkboard is concise and easy to understand for the viewer, so why would they leave the last two plot points on that chalkboard vague and hard to understand for viewers and fans of Fallout? That sounds like bad writing on the writers front.
@@falloutboy6017 when I said, intentionally vague, my point is that they’re not gonna give us the full story right away. Trilogies and TV shows don’t dump every single bit of info in one scene, they save the best parts for later. I’m just saying, we should wait for season 2 for the full story(to make a proper judgment). As for the defeat, well, keep in mind this is the apocalypse. There’s no simple phone calls or social media. If Shady Sands did experience a defeat, it’s entirely possible, the president(including the other politicians) didn’t want to tell the troops over in the Mojave. to obviously prevent loss of morale and panic. That is definitely something the NCR would do.
The games have always retconned each other, back to the first 2, the setting was always a way to put some black humor in to a horrible backdrop with a disdain for greedy governments and corporations with a 50s scifi twist.
Bethesda is the only reason the games continued and also New Vegas being made at all with a large budget, of course they are fans of the series themselves, 3 reads like a literal love letter to the franchise, I bet they were stoked to have obsidian make a game in the series again.
The money men of Bethesda are a profit driven company who probably don't care about the series as fans of course, like every company that gets big enough, but you can tell there is love for the IP in all the games and to say they hate New Vegas on some weird vendetta level is just projecting there own feelings of insecurity on to game developers.
That's just my 2 cents on the matter as a long term fan of fallout since before a lot of the comments section can probably remember honestly, we want more people to like the things we like surely!?
I just had a thought about Lucy talking about how real the sun felt when she was with her mom.
What if it was actually the sun because she was outside of the vault in shady sands but doesn’t remember that what she felt was actually the sun and thought she was in the vault.
You have to take into account that even some vaults weren't prepared for the Great War. Some were still under construction and some were short on personel (vault 81). Vault Tec had the intention to drop the bombs but there were still other parties that had reasons to drop them as well. China was losing the war so they could have launched their nukes and the president had already evacuated to Posiden Oil Rig so the Enclave was probably ready to launch theirs as well.
My point, we still have no idea who launched the nukes first.
I'd have preferred Bethesda stay the hell away from anything related to classic Fallout/NV - their style of writing just doesn't seem compatible at all for me. I wish people would stop defending Bethesda in general *cough cough*, Matty, they haven't done anything that deserves the benefit of the doubt in over a decade...
Making 1 ending canon completely ruins the whole point of having multiple endings.
Its fine having a Canon ending for a 15 years old game IMO.
They literally have done it 1,2 and 3
@@trystan1352 Agreed. When you play Fallout 2, there is a Canon ending decision made for Fallout 1. When Fallout New Vegas came out, if sorta picked a Canon ending for for Fallout 2. Fallout 4 basically picked a Canon ending for Fallout 3. New Vegas 2, if we get one, would have to make a Canon ending for Fallout New Vegas. Perhaps the show will be a bridge from New Vegas to a New Vegas 2, since it is canonical.
My problem with this date and lore issue... is that it's all anyone is talking about. Rather than being excited about how the TV show extends the story... we're all left wondering "did they change something???"
Bro meat riding i get it bro you love the franchise but come on man they messed with the lore in huge ways more so than any game in my opinion they absolutely retconned a ton gave definite amswers to previously unanswered questions like who started the war? Is the enclave still around after Fallout 3? Now there are plot holes if Vault tec is wiping out the competition why are the brotherhood and enclave still kicking. How is making the endings canon a better result for the series its so much more interesting when we dont know things the world ended their shouldnt be any stability no clear cuts of whats happening it just puts the world into a smaller box vastly more uninteresting but whatever fallouts been dead for a while just like Bethesda
This guy Matty said this in his last video about the Enclave coming back to Fallout 4 -
""although I think they're most known for their presence in Fallout 2 and the hilarious encounter you can have over over the phone with uh certain Sergeant but I do think of Fallout 3 especially I see the Tesla Cannon I see the XO2 power armor immediately I think of Fallout 3
so many memories baked in there I adore The Enclave they're probably my favorite faction in all of Fallout. I just think anytime
they're involved it is sends the storyline to Greatness"
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So he just likes to see the Enclave back - because "they elevate the game to greatness!", without understanding the lore.
Matty's takes are extremely shallow most of the time.
Oh boy here we go .