Hi guys I want to let you know that when moving less than 4 knots in a Marina or when you need control you should centre the rudder and only use the throttles. That will give you maximum control and not let you turn more in one direction which can be dangerous in close quarters. On cats with a rudder forward on the props when reversing both props you may need to hold the helm to stop it moving. Cheers André in Sydney
Literally followed you guys for years, discovered I was not somehow subscribed, and I just became a patron on patreon, to make up for this catastrophe! Love ya guys! Especially when you guys are showing your genuine, real selves... no censoring or just being perfection. I love that you guys are human, the good with the bad, troubleshooting, working as a team, doing your best, and making light of shitty situations. You guys are fun, interesting, and I've learned so much about sailing just listening to Nick. Makes me want to learn to sail. Cheers 🍻
It amazes me how many loose bolts or screws we find on our coach roof and deck. Each one we've found lacks thread locker residue which implies they were installed without it. It is such a simple fix so it boggles my mind why it's not done on installation. So far, we've been fortunate enough to find and fix them. None have gone missing. Glad you were able to sort it out. Cheers!
I was going to suggest taking the lowest reef carbon fiber enclosure and swapping it with the upper one as a temporary fix till you could get a replacement but you got a new one sent out without delay. Might be a plan if it happens again unless you can carry a spare.
@@lmarcus8697Eh? Whatever furling system you have is pretty immaterial to having a bolt back out of the mast track and jam the cars. In boom furling? Some people love it, some don’t. It’s just another one of those things that you can chuck into a conversation between sailors in a bar, then sit back and watch the fun.😂
Suprising that the pin isn't designed with some fins to increase the strength in the batton car. by spreading out any stress put on it from any direction. Loved teh video. Looks like lovely country.
one would think the correct scenario to follow would be that when the builders , sailmakers ect find a problem that's their fault then they should contact the various owners concerned so they can inspect and keep a lookout ... a lot easier than being in the middle of nowhere in the pitch black of night ! Happy sailing you 2
As an ex-rigger, I would NEVER go up on the 2:1 main halyard using the block! Firstly, you have no idea o the condition of the splice at the masthead or if the pin holding the splice is about to all out! You just had a screw back out of the track, imagine what else might happen. Secondly, it is very easy to get things caught it the 2:1 block.....hat strings, fingers etc. Best way it to tie a double figure 8 on the tail side of the 2:1 block and attach your harness/chair to that. You are then gooing up on 1:1.
I have a monohull, but it has a 90m² full batten main with massive roach and is very light. At times she is more like sailing a cat thanba mono. My best days are 240+ miles and an average day is 200 miles. I always carry spare batten receptacles and cars. These are a high attrition item and I replace at least one every season. I carry four batten boxes and six cars - two of each type. I do 8000 miles plus each season, some of which is tropical/trade wind and half of which is highish latitude temperate. Much of it is high wind open ocean or critical coastal sailing such as Bass Strait, which I have crossed four times in the last two years. Battens, batten boxes and mast track cars are critical parts which are difficult to sail without. You need some spares on the boat.
I hope Nick's arse feels better - a weekly update is needed. It worries me I hope to goodness that the screw can't back out of the batten pocket/mast tracky thing when hauling down in a hurry - that the fix works. You, Doyle & Seawind don't need to be told about the immense pressures being applied ... Bon chance
We had the same identical problem on a Seawind 1260 where the track screw came loose and stopped the main from dropping. Luckily we were close to a sheltered bay where we anchored and I went up the mast to find the screw out, bent over but I could screw it in far enough to get the car to go past and drop the main. All the other screws were loose too.
Oh wow, that's crazy. At the time we really didn't want to go up the mast in the dark, but we would have had to if it hadn't come down. We're so glad it wasn't necessary. Glad you got yours sorted.
Another great episode! Thanks for the update on the Main, I was very curious about what jammed and why. Your problem solving skills are pretty epic. Thanks for taking me along. 😊
I agree, stop the boat in front of your slip and pivot so the stern faces the dock and hit reverse, both engines. Leave the wheel straight the whole time
Love your channel two very real characters with very complimentary skills. I have a 12.5 meter performance cat just need a first mate that works like you guys work together. Inspiration galore. I’m used to full crew many hands most of your challenges in that context easily managed. You guys do an amazing job for just two and the inevitable workload that place on you both.
One little screw near the top of the mast slight letting out a bit caused all that. Might need a better design of the track system. In mast furling would have been nice.
I imagine Seawind are seeing a number of cancelled orders. The number of major problems you’re seeing because of minor fittings is adding up. If they have a culture of negligence on hardware standards, I would have concerns about other areas as well…
I was thinking on the same lines, maybe not so harshly but there does seem to be many small little niggles that could be avoided in future builds. My industry we evaluate everything we do when it's finished. What does and does not work, there are times you can not predict failure. Seawind do seem to make a good boat, but there is a quality control issue in some areas. Please be aware that this is only my opinion. All boats have issues, but let's not forget that at the end of the day Seawind is a business and everything is built to a cost. waxing lyrical about the Tagra arch and what is realistaicaly a gimmick door ( I like there door ), they seem to forgot the very basics. the issue with any company is no matter how much the owner and management team live and die by the company and poor their soul into it. there is always going to be someone who only works there so they can eat, they are not gong to be as concerned with a tiny dab of thread lock, on a Friday afternoon at 4:50pm when all they want to do is go home. on another note, this is the issue of CAD and load bearing programmes. they can only test for what they get programmed to test. if the programmer, engineer, designer never thought of the scenario where load is put on an item in an unintended way then it will nit be designed to to cope with that load. that grub screw that had backed out could have been a number of items such int the track.
At the end of the day.. boat building is very labor intensive - manual labor. Once builders start incorporating a greater amount of robotic techniques, I would think many of these issues should hopefully disappear.
Imagine being caught in a line squall or the Mistral with a full main stuck up. The main sail or for that matter a large furling jib that jams under pressure is a potential disaster. Are large sail areas depending upon small individual parts really a safe option for offshore sailing by a couple. Just putting the question out there .
I am not a sailor in any way shape or form but can i ask with berthing can you use both the engines to angle the boat instead of the wheel? Love you videos and honesty
WOW! What a magnificent boat that was! I'd never heard of it but even if it wasn't that sunken yacht, it was well worth looking up........ Superb One day, one day ...
Cudos to Doyle. I'm not sure how you could have avoided breaking the batten. And as you pointed out, hoisting your pitard up the mast at night seems fraught with risk. Well done. Thanks.
Is there a reason to not open the deck drain on the dingy while stowed, and close prior to dinghy launch? Boats can sink on land from filling with rainwater. I towed my dinghy so never had the option.
It's a common problem and that Doyle, who made the sail, rigged the battens, etc., etc. would leave unlocked grubscrews and/or short bolts is really bad. The thing to do is go around any boat , new or "new to you" and check the whole rig. Locktite Blue should do it but Locktite Red would be the best (yes, you CAN get red to release). Blue might be just a little too soft to sustain tightness with the continuous shock and vibration of a few months. General advice: I would urge, when collecting a new boat, that it be surveyed by an independent surveyor that has nothing to do with the factory. Fly in your own if you have to! Then the stress and excitement will not overcome looking for these basic but difficult, just at the wrong moment, problems.
screws backing out is such a bugger and ot really on as soon as sewind heard about the first faiolure they should have at least let you know to go up and check. nothing on boats is simple.
My comment does not actually belongs to that incident - but do you regularly clean the baton cars? On Lagoons they tend to get sticky especially in the Med with Calima.
When I look around any marina I see the swivel on the top of the headsail they do jam and are not needed email me to show how to get rid of this potential problem so easy !
Terysa - I have not been Binge watching your videos so I didn't notice the darkening above your upper lip before this video - It looks like a bad Rash or a serious Sun burn. I hope you are using a Sun block for your face - That area of the face and Nose are SO susceptible to bad sun burns. If this is due to a medical condition you may have mentioned in a previous video that I missed, I am sorry to have brought it up.
It's melasma :) I have used SPF 50 on my face all my adult life and most of my childhood, but it's a hormonal thing and heat related as well. It's just cosmetic, not dangerous or linked to skin cancer, and fades as soon as I'm out of the sun for a bit. It also flares up when it's really hot and humid, which it was in Asia.
It is crazy how the simplest things can help destroy parts. At least in this case it seems like a easy fix, just that you have to do it. Hopefully that is the end of your problems.
Had exactly the same thing happen to me mid Atlantic while delivering a Swan 86 from Antigua to St.Tropez. The machine screws backed out of the Harken track and we couldn't reef. 2 trips up the mast at night in 20+ knots to sort out the problem. Fastenings had been fitted with Tefgel instead of Duralac which performs more like Loctite.
I am tired of seeing this issue across so many engineering disciplines. In the interest of saving a marginal amount of weight, carbon fiber, a brittle material, is used in the wrong condition. There needs to be a "Critical Function Analysis" on all parts of any system. In this case, the sail attachment should be metal because of the multiple shift in forces and wear presented. More importantly, its a critical part for the main sail operation.
Hi guys I want to let you know that when moving less than 4 knots in a Marina or when you need control you should centre the rudder and only use the throttles. That will give you maximum control and not let you turn more in one direction which can be dangerous in close quarters. On cats with a rudder forward on the props when reversing both props you may need to hold the helm to stop it moving. Cheers André in Sydney
This is so real. Don't sugar coat anything. This channel is getting better and better. Life is out there to challenge all of us....
Literally followed you guys for years, discovered I was not somehow subscribed, and I just became a patron on patreon, to make up for this catastrophe! Love ya guys! Especially when you guys are showing your genuine, real selves... no censoring or just being perfection. I love that you guys are human, the good with the bad, troubleshooting, working as a team, doing your best, and making light of shitty situations. You guys are fun, interesting, and I've learned so much about sailing just listening to Nick. Makes me want to learn to sail. Cheers 🍻
Bahah welcome!! Thank you so much for your lovely comment, and thank you for joining us on Patreon!
It amazes me how many loose bolts or screws we find on our coach roof and deck. Each one we've found lacks thread locker residue which implies they were installed without it. It is such a simple fix so it boggles my mind why it's not done on installation. So far, we've been fortunate enough to find and fix them. None have gone missing. Glad you were able to sort it out. Cheers!
The answer is obvious, it takes time, time is money.
The consequence is shoddy product.
Well…if you’re going to be up a mast…that view from the marina was spectacular. 😎👍
Another wonderful video guys, keep them coming.
I was going to suggest taking the lowest reef carbon fiber enclosure and swapping it with the upper one as a temporary fix till you could get a replacement but you got a new one sent out without delay. Might be a plan if it happens again unless you can carry a spare.
I'm glad you were able to figure out the issue and what happened with the batten car. Lots of loose screws. I hope you get everything all sorted out.
In boom furling, much better and the version that furls above the boom and you can. change the vang angle to help with furling alignment
@@lmarcus8697Eh? Whatever furling system you have is pretty immaterial to having a bolt back out of the mast track and jam the cars.
In boom furling? Some people love it, some don’t.
It’s just another one of those things that you can chuck into a conversation between sailors in a bar, then sit back and watch the fun.😂
Suprising that the pin isn't designed with some fins to increase the strength in the batton car. by spreading out any stress put on it from any direction. Loved teh video. Looks like lovely country.
one would think the correct scenario to follow would be that when the builders , sailmakers ect find a problem that's their fault then they should contact the various owners concerned so they can inspect and keep a lookout ... a lot easier than being in the middle of nowhere in the pitch black of night ! Happy sailing you 2
All hail to the inventor of thread lock. Every boat need some.
Before Loctite it was fingernail polish both work great.
I often say the same, to whoever invented those reflector blocks on the lane divider dashes and on roadway signage and guardrails.
@@Ron-zr6se I still use it on my specs.
Nicks comment of “ Oh my Ass” Could have been a great tittle for this episode 😂. Cheers 🍻
Another great episode!! Stay Safe & Fair Winds!! ☘
It’s a good thing you are a handy guy Nick and have a shop.
Much luck.
With all the problems you are having with your Seawind knocks it out of any consideration of a new build. It is a good thing that Nick is so talented.
These problems are normal things
As an ex-rigger, I would NEVER go up on the 2:1 main halyard using the block!
Firstly, you have no idea o the condition of the splice at the masthead or if the pin holding the splice is about to all out! You just had a screw back out of the track, imagine what else might happen.
Secondly, it is very easy to get things caught it the 2:1 block.....hat strings, fingers etc.
Best way it to tie a double figure 8 on the tail side of the 2:1 block and attach your harness/chair to that. You are then gooing up on 1:1.
Even though it was technical I still loved watching!
I have a monohull, but it has a 90m² full batten main with massive roach and is very light. At times she is more like sailing a cat thanba mono. My best days are 240+ miles and an average day is 200 miles. I always carry spare batten receptacles and cars. These are a high attrition item and I replace at least one every season. I carry four batten boxes and six cars - two of each type. I do 8000 miles plus each season, some of which is tropical/trade wind and half of which is highish latitude temperate. Much of it is high wind open ocean or critical coastal sailing such as Bass Strait, which I have crossed four times in the last two years. Battens, batten boxes and mast track cars are critical parts which are difficult to sail without. You need some spares on the boat.
I hope Nick's arse feels better - a weekly update is needed. It worries me
I hope to goodness that the screw can't back out of the batten pocket/mast tracky thing when hauling down in a hurry - that the fix works. You, Doyle & Seawind don't need to be told about the immense pressures being applied ...
Bon chance
😂
We had the same identical problem on a Seawind 1260 where the track screw came loose and stopped the main from dropping. Luckily we were close to a sheltered bay where we anchored and I went up the mast to find the screw out, bent over but I could screw it in far enough to get the car to go past and drop the main. All the other screws were loose too.
Oh wow, that's crazy. At the time we really didn't want to go up the mast in the dark, but we would have had to if it hadn't come down. We're so glad it wasn't necessary. Glad you got yours sorted.
Another great episode!
Thanks for the update on the Main, I was very curious about what jammed and why.
Your problem solving skills are pretty epic.
Thanks for taking me along. 😊
MATE, you have two motors - forget using the helm when mooring PERIOD
Did you write "Ulysses"?
@@Neilhuny i can sign a copy
@@jamesjoyce5611 😆
I agree, stop the boat in front of your slip and pivot so the stern faces the dock and hit reverse, both engines. Leave the wheel straight the whole time
100%. I used to wiggle my 44' catamaran into tight marinas by locking the helm and using only engines. It works fantastically well.
Love your channel two very real characters with very complimentary skills. I have a 12.5 meter performance cat just need a first mate that works like you guys work together. Inspiration galore. I’m used to full crew many hands most of your challenges in that context easily managed. You guys do an amazing job for just two and the inevitable workload that place on you both.
Thank you.
Great episode, thanks.
Alls well that ends well!! Cheers
One little screw near the top of the mast slight letting out a bit caused all that. Might need a better design of the track system.
In mast furling would have been nice.
All systems have their draw backs, non are perfect. In mast reefing, jams and the sail is stuck up. Also all that extra weight aloft.
Nice edit, thanks for sharing.
I imagine Seawind are seeing a number of cancelled orders. The number of major problems you’re seeing because of minor fittings is adding up. If they have a culture of negligence on hardware standards, I would have concerns about other areas as well…
I was thinking on the same lines, maybe not so harshly but there does seem to be many small little niggles that could be avoided in future builds. My industry we evaluate everything we do when it's finished. What does and does not work, there are times you can not predict failure. Seawind do seem to make a good boat, but there is a quality control issue in some areas. Please be aware that this is only my opinion. All boats have issues, but let's not forget that at the end of the day Seawind is a business and everything is built to a cost. waxing lyrical about the Tagra arch and what is realistaicaly a gimmick door ( I like there door ), they seem to forgot the very basics. the issue with any company is no matter how much the owner and management team live and die by the company and poor their soul into it. there is always going to be someone who only works there so they can eat, they are not gong to be as concerned with a tiny dab of thread lock, on a Friday afternoon at 4:50pm when all they want to do is go home. on another note, this is the issue of CAD and load bearing programmes. they can only test for what they get programmed to test. if the programmer, engineer, designer never thought of the scenario where load is put on an item in an unintended way then it will nit be designed to to cope with that load. that grub screw that had backed out could have been a number of items such int the track.
At the end of the day.. boat building is very labor intensive - manual labor. Once builders start incorporating a greater amount of robotic techniques, I would think many of these issues should hopefully disappear.
Imagine being caught in a line squall or the Mistral with a full main stuck up. The main sail or for that matter a large furling jib that jams under pressure is a potential disaster. Are large sail areas depending upon small individual parts really a safe option for offshore sailing by a couple. Just putting the question out there .
I am not a sailor in any way shape or form but can i ask with berthing can you use both the engines to angle the boat instead of the wheel? Love you videos and honesty
Love you guys
That wreck might be the 75m super yacht Enigma (formerly known as Phocea). Caught fire, and eventually sank.
WOW! What a magnificent boat that was! I'd never heard of it but even if it wasn't that sunken yacht, it was well worth looking up........ Superb
One day, one day ...
In aviation, we call retries go-arounds. Nothing to be ashamed of. It beats damaging the boat by trying to salvage a bad situation.
Cudos to Doyle. I'm not sure how you could have avoided breaking the batten.
And as you pointed out, hoisting your pitard up the mast at night seems fraught with risk. Well done. Thanks.
Good job! Now i'm waiting for your on land joy joy of Thailand!
Is there a reason to not open the deck drain on the dingy while stowed, and close prior to dinghy launch? Boats can sink on land from filling with rainwater. I towed my dinghy so never had the option.
Its amazing to think that skipping a tiny squirt of loctite on screw thread, can have such a catastrophic effect on a million $ yacht.
Well done that man. I love RLYC, good food and people there. How many Ringgits is a pot of Tiger these days, last I paid a few years ago was 5MYR
It's a common problem and that Doyle, who made the sail, rigged the battens, etc., etc. would leave unlocked grubscrews and/or short bolts is really bad. The thing to do is go around any boat , new or "new to you" and check the whole rig. Locktite Blue should do it but Locktite Red would be the best (yes, you CAN get red to release). Blue might be just a little too soft to sustain tightness with the continuous shock and vibration of a few months. General advice: I would urge, when collecting a new boat, that it be surveyed by an independent surveyor that has nothing to do with the factory. Fly in your own if you have to! Then the stress and excitement will not overcome looking for these basic but difficult, just at the wrong moment, problems.
Hope you manage to get the batton car replaced!
screws backing out is such a bugger and ot really on as soon as sewind heard about the first faiolure they should have at least let you know to go up and check. nothing on boats is simple.
As with all things using mechanical fasteners they need to be regularly checked for tightness.
Man seawind what you doing over there?
I'm sure if you contact the good people at DJI, they'd be happy to help diagnose the issue you had with the Osmo "cutting out". 😉
You seemed to be screwed. 😂
4:43 which one are you then
Who made the mast?
My comment does not actually belongs to that incident - but do you regularly clean the baton cars? On Lagoons they tend to get sticky especially in the Med with Calima.
One repair door closes, two open.
One cat owner put a camera pointing down at the top of the mast.
When I look around any marina I see the swivel on the top of the headsail they do jam and are not needed email me to show how to get rid of this potential problem so easy !
😊😊😊
what isn't broken on the boat?
Terysa - I have not been Binge watching your videos so I didn't notice the darkening above your upper lip before this video - It looks like a bad Rash or a serious Sun burn.
I hope you are using a Sun block for your face - That area of the face and Nose are SO susceptible to bad sun burns. If this is due to a medical condition you may have mentioned in a previous video that I missed, I am sorry to have brought it up.
It's melasma :) I have used SPF 50 on my face all my adult life and most of my childhood, but it's a hormonal thing and heat related as well. It's just cosmetic, not dangerous or linked to skin cancer, and fades as soon as I'm out of the sun for a bit. It also flares up when it's really hot and humid, which it was in Asia.
Brandt new?. Yes, brandt new
Drill the screws out around the carbon
It is crazy how the simplest things can help destroy parts. At least in this case it seems like a easy fix, just that you have to do it. Hopefully that is the end of your problems.
Had exactly the same thing happen to me mid Atlantic while delivering a Swan 86 from Antigua to St.Tropez. The machine screws backed out of the Harken track and we couldn't reef. 2 trips up the mast at night in 20+ knots to sort out the problem. Fastenings had been fitted with Tefgel instead of Duralac which performs more like Loctite.
✌️🤠
and this happened months ago
💐💐💐🤛👍🦅🙏😎🇺🇸
👍😎👍☀️🍷🍷
Camera cut out heh hahaha more likely docking language edited hahaha
loool you know I would have just left that in!
👋😎⚓
It’s broken because you forced the sail down.
Posted too soon. Can’t delete the original.
Hot glue gun. PS Wear a mask when working with carbon fiber just saying
As long as you don’t hear glass breaking you’re doing OK. I would suggest not touching the wheel after you center it. I really do miss the F BOMBS. 😎😎
I am tired of seeing this issue across so many engineering disciplines. In the interest of saving a marginal amount of weight, carbon fiber, a brittle material, is used in the wrong condition. There needs to be a "Critical Function Analysis" on all parts of any system. In this case, the sail attachment should be metal because of the multiple shift in forces and wear presented. More importantly, its a critical part for the main sail operation.