Thank you SO MUCH for all your positive comments on this video. We were honestly bracing for a barrage of negative comments about our decision to ship rather than sail, based on comments on previous videos. Really appreciate all the support and encouragement! xx
It's your boat, it's your time, it's your business and none of mine. I just count us lucky that you take us along. I'm glad you're both there safe and sound, and that RR2 is not too horribly damaged. Can't wait to see what you get up to now. It's going to be gorgeous!
Re the iron oxide/rust spots, there is surprisingly an easy fix. I ground a shackle off my anchor on the foredeck with a grinder peppering the boat with small iron particles. I got distracted and went back a week later and to my dismay, there were rust spots everywhere on the deck. My neighbour in the harbour suggested car brake dust remover. Got Sonax Iron Remover and that contains the magic ingredient, Sodium Thioglycolic acid. It works like an absolute charm. Converts the iron oxide into some bright purple compound that is water soluble that you can hose off
I don't understand how some people believe that it's _any_ of their business whether you chose to transport or sail *your own freaking boat!* Honestly! For others to have such strong feelings about it that you felt the need to address your decision, or more specifically, _defend it,_ absolutely boggles my mind!
I Agree, those who make such strong stands are welcome to sail that route themselves in their own boat, I say to people you don't really know which way you'd go until faced with risking your own hard earned on the decision.
Then maybe they shouldn’t post their life online on a site that literally promotes engagement lol. Why do you people think others can’t have an opinion when they put their lives online for public consumption?!?!
@@TheBajaminThe point isn’t that it’s not ok to have an opinion. Interaction is good, if it’s good interaction. The problem is that it’s not okay to be a moron or a f**king asshole, no matter what circumstances. Sadly, the people fitting those descriptions seem to think that the internet is a “carte blanche” for anything they want to puke out. Also, it seems, the less a person knows and understands about a topic, the stronger the opinions. I’m a very experienced sailor and cruiser, but no youtuber. If I were, I think my patience might run very low on some of the people commenting. I think I might be demonetised quite a few times from telling them that in no uncertain terms. I just don’t like sh*t people. So I’ll probably never be a youtuber. Probably to the benefit of everyone. 😅
As well as being a yottie I'm a retired ship master, given the time constraints and where you wanted to be and the volatile world we live in now shipping to the Med was a no-brainer . Over my years at sea piracy was a PITA but it's nothing to todays headaches , I'm just glad I'm retired.
Those welding sparks are not an accident. Any welder knows you cant just weld next to anything, much less a FIBERGLASS BOAT and the sparks and smoke not damage it. The sparks are essentially cooked into the gel coat. Who ever was in charge of the welder needs fired. Its not an accident, its pure laziness. They make welding blankets for a damn reason.
Top comment! But how could it have gotten EVERYWHERE -both above and underneath the boat is my question? Plus there is the REAL risk of fire if they are welding THAT close to the boat the sparks can land everywhere....🧐🤔
The cradles that the yachts sit in are welded onto the deck to stop them moving around during shipping and then removed with a grinder... you might think they would put up some protection, but these ships are under a lot of pressure to get moving again...
Not only welding sparks but also the cutting wheels used to cut the welds off after while they remove the supports that were welded to the ships deck can cause more damage. Check all windows for pitting as the are also going to get pitting from sparks.
One thing they didn’t say but likely considered was the health of Nick’s parents now versus 2 to 3 years from now. I suspect he wants to share the experience of cruising with them and the time to do that is now. The value of that is priceless.
I don’t care how you chose to get there, you’re there. Hope you two enjoy the waters of Greece and most of all the time you get to spend with your parents.
Part of being a good Captain is “Risk Management.” You chose a better risk path than trying to sail through what could happen. Kudos. Good judgement over bad ego.
I think it’s pretty amazing that they took responsibility. In this day and age most companies deny claims knowing the cost for customers to litigate is high. You may even have to do that in another country. The fact it was fast and relatively simple is significant.
Hello Ruby Rose crew, I really hope they can polish away all the rust spots on your boat. I am a metal worker/welder and I know how destructive grinding sparks can be, it literally burns into gelcoat or paint. Also check your windows!! Clean them and them and then feel with your hands. And don't forget to check your stainless steel on spots. We just bought an Amel Super Maramu in Greece and will be sailing there next sept and October. (Samos). Good luck and fair winds.
Absolutely agree that you made the right choice. We had intended to ship our Southerly 480 from Phuket to Marmaris but that little thing called COVID got in the way. After 14months of waiting, NZ and Oz showed no sign of opening and we shipped Kered from Golfito in Costa Rica back to the UK where she needed a huge amount of work doing after 3 years of tropical sun and 20KNM. We were fortunate in having no damage, just completely covered in salt crystals. Just finished a loop round the Med and loved it, now back in Gibraltar ready for the next adventures. Enjoy Greece, we thought it was fantastic. Looking forward to your continued travels!!😎⛵️⚓️
"Up yours" to the people mad you didn't sail through a war zone. Your lives are way more important than video content. Looking forward to the Med videos.
Really really good overview.... Nick does get excited... Makes for a great video... Not as excited as the diesel run in Malaysia, but worthy none the less... Seems like you both survived the process. Nick, I do hope a vid or two of your work on Vietnam will follow. It's just so interesting to see the work you do there. And it really brings a different aspect to the channel...
Fascinating insight worth filing into one's memory banks for future considerations. Well done, well documented. Would be interested in a follow-up on how all of the rust spots, or whatever they are, finally get removed or the paint refinished? Thanks for this post, very informative.
My guess is not welding spots. Smoke from ship diesels has sulfur in it which settles on boat. Salt spray or rain turns sulfur into sulfur dioxide which is an acid & will eat metal, f glass, etc. Check that f glass gel coat is not actually etched/pitted
not a bad theory, especially since underneath the hull had it also,and I guess maybe there may have been possible some sort of iron residue in the exhaust also ?? Sounds plausible
Sailing for 18 months, 3 ocean crossings, unforeseen expenses, damage and repairs vs shipping over a few weeks, unforeseen damage and repairs. I'd choose shipping too. At least you didn't risk losing a rudder or two to those hooligan orcas in the Eastern Atlantic. Besides, getting to Greece to sail with your family sooner rather than later is as important a reason enough to ship a boat.
I can't believe there are people moaning about how you choose to live your lives. It's almost like they don't have a life of their own and need to try to control the lives of others
It’s called armchair quarterbacking. It’s what people without lives choose to push their desires on those who have a life. (Trying not to sound patronizing here, but I probably failed. Please don’t take this negatively, because I didn’t intend it to be that way towards you.)
@@2212db Approaching dottage, I have discovered a universal truth. What anyone requests, suggests , demands you to do something, it is what they want. Perhaps you agree, disagree, modify or compromise.
I've shipped a (Larger) yacht before and went with it as a "Rider". Throughout the 2 months onboard the ship's crew were treating rust on deck; grinding & painting everyday. Also, depending on the wind direction, the ships exhaust caused black stains on deck. I kept on top of it with daily cleaning otherwise it would have been exactly the same as yours. The only solution would have been to "Wrap it" in plastic (At a cost of several thousand) and even that comes with complications. There's no easy answer to this...
In my conversation with 7 star, they strongly suggest not wrapping stating that in most cases, the wrap does not survive the journey and causes damage to the tires and other boats as it disembarks on its own accord.
Yes there is an easy answer: C/O should ensure cargo is looked after on any ship, and organised the crew appropriately Any grinding of steel should be done in ballast not next to valuable cargo especially in the wind. Each of those particles will rust and damage any surface. This is pure carelessness by people who always have someone else to clean up after them.
Thank you for sharing your experience and for choosing Sevenstar Yacht Transport! We're delighted to see the entire transport process featured in your videos. We wish you a fantastic sailing adventure in the Mediterranean and hope you enjoy every moment on the water!
Thank you for the exemplary service. We have had full resolution to our issues and your insurance covered our invoices. Thank you for making the process simple and not equivocating over the insurance. While mistakes happen, it is how they are resolved that make a company
Guys, I absolutely love your attitude! It is YOUR choice to sail or not sail to be honest! Your response to the rust specks is commendable. ‘Things’ happen and as long as one puts one’s hand up and say my fault, then what more can be done. No matter how much jumping up and down and remonstrating you feel like exuding, it ain’t going to make matters better. I am confident the matter will be resolved. Blimey, I would have been mad though! 😂 Thanks for sharing!
Stuff what anyone else thinks! It's your home and your choice! I will echo what many are saying - THANK YOU for letting us in to your adventures, warts and all!
To be fair i like your decision to ship the boat and start making videos from your desired destination. I'm sure we will feel the good vibes in the coming videos. Cheers and have fun sailing Greece!
So sorry about all the little rust spots. I know just how difficult that kind of rust stain is to remove and then the polish and waxing of the gelcoat on such a new vessel. You two are maintaining such a great attitude about the situation. Hats off to you.
Thank you for sharing this experience. Crossing an ocean is a huge challenge and things can happen. Knowing that this is an option for someone is very valuable alternative. Even when things happen the alternative to leaving a boat somewhere or shipping in certain circumstances is huge! Thank you!
18 months?!?! I’d ship too and just get on with life. This was a great episode. I’m happy to see that you’re safe and back in Europe. The shipping story was so interesting. You two deserve to get a break! Geez. Hopefully your time with family on the Mediterranean will be blissful.
This was super informative. I have been involved with shipping of a variety or products over many years (never shipped a boat before though) and the one thing that I can say on the subject is, if you insure (actually you MUST insure) the goods in transit and properly declare everything then the insurance usually pays out marine insurance is not like household or car insurance there are literally 100's of years of laws that have been refined over time that maritime insurance follows.
Absolutely angel grinding sparks. And they could have been doing this anywhere on the ship that was up wind from your boat. I put my boat in a marina for a day and a night and came back to find it had blue paint spots everywhere and someone had sprayed a boat 100 meters away and up wind. So yes we know exactly how you feel. Regards from Oz
Absolute Correct Decision To Ship. 18 month minimum to get there... Yep, I'd have done it too. Now you're where you want to be... Kudos! Glad RR2 is all ok...lol😊
CONGRATULATIONS on being in the Mediterranean!! Doesn't matter how you got there!! As long as you got there safe and sound!! Your boat, your life - up to you how you do it!!
Thanks for the marina cost info. It's something I sometimes miss when watching RUclips sailing and dream about visiting those places. Hope you get the boat sorted and it doesn't ruin your plans
This was a great video! I recently used 7-Star as well to ship SV Areté from France to the US. For some reason, I did not receive any negative feedback for that decision. I didn't have any damage from shipping. I really really appreciated your highlighting the costs of sailing across oceans. The planning, extra equipment, wear and tear, fuel and excess provisioning are significant costs. Your catamaran reviews and the more family centered videos from Sailing Zatara gave us the confidence to buy a Catamaran and begin our adventure. Thank You!
Great episode guys. We cannot believe that people would berate you for not sailing to Europe. They must have nothing better to do with their time. We look forward to following your Mediterranean adventures. Cheers
Thank you for taking your valuable time to produce this video with such honesty. I love your adventures and the privilege to come along with you via your videos. You do what works for you. It’s is both a financial and time consuming process that is a personal decision. If someone wants to move their boat, they can do what they want. This your boat and home. Love watching. I look forward to your travels in Greece. 🇨🇦
Glad things went relatively well. Thank you for the explanation. I had wondered about what the damage would be like and your reasons for shipping. It's your boat and your life to do what you want and you just take us along for the ride. Enjoy Greece.
Excellent video. I really enjoyed hearing your well thought through, calm, and rational perspective on the damage and the company’s response. Enjoy your time in the Med and in particular Greece. 😊❤
No need to apologize, you made the best decision, is your boat your life and your youtube channel, we are just tagging along with you. Can wait for the EU adventures coming. Greetings
Loved everything about this! Honest descriptions of the process and options, results and implications etc. Dealing with bureaucracy, whether shipping agents or insurance or whoever is vaguely terrifying for me! That needs work on my part. The "things we forgot" section must be one of the most important bits of sailing info ever put on RUclips Plus the last 10 seconds are probably some of my favourite all-time Ruby Rose comments.
I was able to follow the entire journey from when you went out to the ship and was parked next to it for several hours, down around the cape, the stop in Gibraltar and finally the disembarking in Turkey. A lot of things I witnessed along the journey now make sense with you sharing your experience. Thanks you for taking the time to do this.
I found the process of deciding to ship RR2 and what you went thru upon receiving her in Turkey fascinating. Just reinforces my motto: no matter what it is, nothing is EVER simple. Glad you and RR2 are in the Med relatively safe and sound and wait to see you in Greece. One of my FAVORITE countries!
Wow, that is a pretty extensive process Nick. And it is too bad that that un-named Country caused the vast majority of issues here. And the fact you cant name them in fear of be demonetized is nuts. But she is there finally and you guys will be sailing around the Med soon
Your relationship with your wife is just the same as mine is with my wife! I burst out laughing when she shut you down, no comments about “y” certain nations. As to shipping your yacht, not my cup of tea but also not my yacht. I still love your channel and watching your personality work together. And cudos to you for your volunteering work most commendable!
Sailing from northern France, thanks to Covid, after a glorious year of sailing we had to ship from Ft Lauderdale to Vancouver. We used Seven Seas Yacht Transport... they were outstanding. Not only in the transport but during the panic of lockdowns and boarder closure, as we were sailing madly from the most eastern ports of the Bahamas to Ft Lauderdale, they arranged moorage and a delivery skipper to care for our boat and load it for us... phew... Yes it cost a lot ... yes we would have preferred to sail her.... but we arrived in the USA 2 days before the boarder closed! Again... phew. Covid massively screwed our sailing plans for a few years indeed but we have our ship here at home with us!
❤ Excellent informative video, it's your boat, your choice, your life, stuff what others think. That's why we follow these channels, learn stuff, have a laugh, fill in rainy days. Enjoy, Cheers from New Zealand.
Think you made the right decision. Not sure why anyone would be bothered either way by your choice, but as you said, it's the internet. Don't think I've ever shipped something considerable overseas, be it a car, household etc without something getting damaged or stolen. Upsetting but some things just are what they are and its simpler just to be prepared for it and deal with it after.
Thanks for that run-down of counting the costs of shipping vs sailing to your parents' stomping grounds. It really helps us simple-minded folk see what needs to go into making such a decision. Also loved the dancing around the problems along the Suez route.
Awesome talk guys! Glad you had a positive experience with shipping - even with the damage happy to hear that working the company is going smoothly. Looking forward to seeing you guys have fun in the med! Cheers legends!
Very good and as usual introduced perfectly ,the shipping company might think of wrapping boats as I presume yours was not the only one with the damage ,it makes more sense to ship than sail
Very informative. What I find really amazing is the fact that a de facto monopoly company takes so much care of their customers. Looking forward to your Greek adventures.
Thanks so much for the update! I am sorry that you experienced damage, but I am pleased that the shipping company has taken responsibility. I honestly hope your experiences in the Mediterranean match your expectations, and I look forward to (virtually) tagging along. I have enjoyed each and every episode. Thanks again 😊
Sorry people are picking apart your decisions. Thank you for the detailed discussion of the why's - REALLY informative. Glad you all got to the Med OK and I'm really looking forward to living vicariously through your videos!
Thanks for the update. I am looking forward to seeing your next sailing adventure. Very informative and honest about the journey. Also, enjoy watching your videos.
I love you two and love watching your videos. I hope that everyone else that are watching are learning from your experiences. Also I recommend watching sailing Yaba for your own personal enjoyment. And for hopefully easing your anxiety nick. You’ll like them I swear.😊
Really interesting to learn what was involved in the shipping process of RR2! Thanks for sharing and I'm looking forward to your videos of sailing in the Med.
Great episode. Very interesting. Loved the fact you will get resolved with the shipping company. You answered some questions that may pop up when shipping. I hope you have a somewhat stress free end and this will soon be something in the past. Cheers from the West Coast of Canada.
Learned a lot from this video and found it extremely interesting. I always enjoy these types of episodes as well as your technical videos. Keep the content coming.
Great episode. Thanks for all the great information about shipping. Really it is not anyone’s business why you shipped instead of sailing. I really enjoy all your episodes.
Unless people are willing to pay you to cross 3 oceans and actual sail it themselves, they have no say in what you decide. It's your time, your boat and your money. Doesn't matter if you are on RUclips and everyone has an opinion. NOT UP TO THEM. Thanks for sharing your adventures.
HA! "Someone" and the Blowfish. That was good. On a scale of 1-10, my knowledge of music might be a 1 at best and even I got that one. You guys do what feels right for you and ignore all the naysayers.
I feel so sorry for your adventure with shipping your boat in the med, and how it turned out with damages in the end. This is really unfortunate because it's your home, and finally I hope that the insurance of the carrier vessel will be coming back to you for full compensation to repair it soon. The fact that it can be refinished and ready to sail in the med at destination, is nice and positive. The insurance, estimates, and documents make it more boring, but this is another part of the test & learn....of life !
For what it’s worth: I think you guys made the smart decision to ship. If this whole adventure was just a checkbox, it would make sense to sail. You have a different goal to just checking a box.
Green is your color lady! I don't know if they've discovered the best color for the captain yet. Glad you all made it in one piece and we are all learning something from the adventure.
in case you are looking to ship again in the future, please note that there are alternatives to the two shipping companies you mentioned in your episode - having shipped a number of boats to/from the Med and Middle East - dirty boats is a common issue, in your case rust stains, often sod stains from the shipping boats exhaust as well (which is very difficult to remove from teak decks for example) - where possible it is work considering shrink-wrapping the boat - not always possible and comes at a cost, but may save hassle on arrival
For safety reasons, sure the best choice. For the purpose of the adventure and to be different of the sailing mainstream, the navigation will be the best choice!
Nice report on the shipping issues! The rust staining underway from deck shipping is quite common. Those loading decks are full of rust, which swirls around, coats everything and gets baked on during the journey One trick I used to do when shipping yachts from Asia was to liberally coat every surface I could with a wax polish, don't buff it off and leave it as a protective coating. It helped in keeping the rust stains from penetrating into your gloss coat. I agree you made the right decision to ship, unfortunately, at the worst of times. Fair winds and enjoy!
Love your videos and honesty. I have been in the international shipping (primarily household goods) for over 40 years and as you said, mistakes happen, but it is all about the resolution. All the best to you.
Great video… sorry to hear of the damage, but as You say the shipping company is promising to take care of that. I really enjoyed the information of the shipping process. Blessings again… the children in Vietnam are blessed to have you help them.
So sensible to ship. I booked to send my Feeling 416 to Greece from Southampton but was persuaded to send on its bottom. Big mistake, the delays, the gear breakages, crew problems - ended up costing as much as shipping with months of grief. Bad luck with the damage though, so infuriating. Great resume of the whole process - thanks.
Look forward to seeing your mum and dad on your new beautiful home!! Great video for information. Have an amazing time sailing in the Mediterranean!! You did the right thing shipping your boat.
Thank you SO MUCH for all your positive comments on this video. We were honestly bracing for a barrage of negative comments about our decision to ship rather than sail, based on comments on previous videos. Really appreciate all the support and encouragement! xx
You gotta love the RUclips censorship
It's your boat, it's your time, it's your business and none of mine. I just count us lucky that you take us along. I'm glad you're both there safe and sound, and that RR2 is not too horribly damaged. Can't wait to see what you get up to now. It's going to be gorgeous!
Re the iron oxide/rust spots, there is surprisingly an easy fix. I ground a shackle off my anchor on the foredeck with a grinder peppering the boat with small iron particles. I got distracted and went back a week later and to my dismay, there were rust spots everywhere on the deck. My neighbour in the harbour suggested car brake dust remover. Got Sonax Iron Remover and that contains the magic ingredient, Sodium Thioglycolic acid. It works like an absolute charm. Converts the iron oxide into some bright purple compound that is water soluble that you can hose off
true, this is used to clean the iron from your brakes off of your car. Spray on, wash off.
I don't understand how some people believe that it's _any_ of their business whether you chose to transport or sail *your own freaking boat!* Honestly! For others to have such strong feelings about it that you felt the need to address your decision, or more specifically, _defend it,_ absolutely boggles my mind!
I Agree, those who make such strong stands are welcome to sail that route themselves in their own boat, I say to people you don't really know which way you'd go until faced with risking your own hard earned on the decision.
Thank you mate!
Then maybe they shouldn’t post their life online on a site that literally promotes engagement lol. Why do you people think others can’t have an opinion when they put their lives online for public consumption?!?!
@@TheBajamin "Invites engagement" isn't a hall pass for people to be assh0les.
@@TheBajaminThe point isn’t that it’s not ok to have an opinion. Interaction is good, if it’s good interaction. The problem is that it’s not okay to be a moron or a f**king asshole, no matter what circumstances. Sadly, the people fitting those descriptions seem to think that the internet is a “carte blanche” for anything they want to puke out. Also, it seems, the less a person knows and understands about a topic, the stronger the opinions. I’m a very experienced sailor and cruiser, but no youtuber. If I were, I think my patience might run very low on some of the people commenting. I think I might be demonetised quite a few times from telling them that in no uncertain terms. I just don’t like sh*t people. So I’ll probably never be a youtuber. Probably to the benefit of everyone. 😅
Love Nick's honesty. It"s refreshing.
As well as being a yottie I'm a retired ship master, given the time constraints and where you wanted to be and the volatile world we live in now shipping to the Med was a no-brainer .
Over my years at sea piracy was a PITA but it's nothing to todays headaches , I'm just glad I'm retired.
Those welding sparks are not an accident. Any welder knows you cant just weld next to anything, much less a FIBERGLASS BOAT and the sparks and smoke not damage it. The sparks are essentially cooked into the gel coat. Who ever was in charge of the welder needs fired. Its not an accident, its pure laziness. They make welding blankets for a damn reason.
Top comment! But how could it have gotten EVERYWHERE -both above and underneath the boat is my question? Plus there is the REAL risk of fire if they are welding THAT close to the boat the sparks can land everywhere....🧐🤔
The cradles that the yachts sit in are welded onto the deck to stop them moving around during shipping and then removed with a grinder... you might think they would put up some protection, but these ships are under a lot of pressure to get moving again...
@@davidpearson7817 Ah I see, thanks for that clarification.!
Not only welding sparks but also the cutting wheels used to cut the welds off after while they remove the supports that were welded to the ships deck can cause more damage. Check all windows for pitting as the are also going to get pitting from sparks.
Very great video!! ❤
One thing they didn’t say but likely considered was the health of Nick’s parents now versus 2 to 3 years from now. I suspect he wants to share the experience of cruising with them and the time to do that is now. The value of that is priceless.
I don’t care how you chose to get there, you’re there. Hope you two enjoy the waters of Greece and most of all the time you get to spend with your parents.
Probably one of the most informative videos you have made. I learned a lot, particularly the importance of having a really competent
Teresa on board.
Part of being a good Captain is “Risk Management.” You chose a better risk path than trying to sail through what could happen. Kudos. Good judgement over bad ego.
I think it’s pretty amazing that they took responsibility. In this day and age most companies deny claims knowing the cost for customers to litigate is high. You may even have to do that in another country. The fact it was fast and relatively simple is significant.
Hello Ruby Rose crew, I really hope they can polish away all the rust spots on your boat. I am a metal worker/welder and I know how destructive grinding sparks can be, it literally burns into gelcoat or paint. Also check your windows!! Clean them and them and then feel with your hands. And don't forget to check your stainless steel on spots.
We just bought an Amel Super Maramu in Greece and will be sailing there next sept and October. (Samos). Good luck and fair winds.
Absolutely agree that you made the right choice. We had intended to ship our Southerly 480 from Phuket to Marmaris but that little thing called COVID got in the way. After 14months of waiting, NZ and Oz showed no sign of opening and we shipped Kered from Golfito in Costa Rica back to the UK where she needed a huge amount of work doing after 3 years of tropical sun and 20KNM. We were fortunate in having no damage, just completely covered in salt crystals. Just finished a loop round the Med and loved it, now back in Gibraltar ready for the next adventures. Enjoy Greece, we thought it was fantastic. Looking forward to your continued travels!!😎⛵️⚓️
"Up yours" to the people mad you didn't sail through a war zone. Your lives are way more important than video content. Looking forward to the Med videos.
Really really good overview.... Nick does get excited... Makes for a great video... Not as excited as the diesel run in Malaysia, but worthy none the less... Seems like you both survived the process. Nick, I do hope a vid or two of your work on Vietnam will follow. It's just so interesting to see the work you do there. And it really brings a different aspect to the channel...
LOL. oh that diesel run was priceless...🤣🤣🤣
I shouldn't laugh, but those diesel runs were funny! (with hindsight)
Can't wait for some Mediterranean sailing videos!
Next week!
I’m going to be jealous
Fascinating insight worth filing into one's memory banks for future considerations. Well done, well documented. Would be interested in a follow-up on how all of the rust spots, or whatever they are, finally get removed or the paint refinished? Thanks for this post, very informative.
Yep, follow ups to come.
My guess is not welding spots. Smoke from ship diesels has sulfur in it which settles on boat. Salt spray or rain turns sulfur into sulfur dioxide which is an acid & will eat metal, f glass, etc. Check that f glass gel coat is not actually etched/pitted
Where did the iron oxide come from then?
not a bad theory, especially since underneath the hull had it also,and I guess maybe there may have been possible some sort of iron residue in the exhaust also ?? Sounds plausible
@@jptrini1 Engine rich exhaust?
SCNR 🙂
Sailing for 18 months, 3 ocean crossings, unforeseen expenses, damage and repairs vs shipping over a few weeks, unforeseen damage and repairs. I'd choose shipping too. At least you didn't risk losing a rudder or two to those hooligan orcas in the Eastern Atlantic. Besides, getting to Greece to sail with your family sooner rather than later is as important a reason enough to ship a boat.
Plus there is a break from the boat. That is always a good idea
I can't believe there are people moaning about how you choose to live your lives. It's almost like they don't have a life of their own and need to try to control the lives of others
It’s called armchair quarterbacking. It’s what people without lives choose to push their desires on those who have a life. (Trying not to sound patronizing here, but I probably failed. Please don’t take this negatively, because I didn’t intend it to be that way towards you.)
@@2212db Approaching dottage, I have discovered a universal truth. What anyone requests, suggests , demands you to do something, it is what they want. Perhaps you agree, disagree, modify or compromise.
@@KeithCarmichaelInFL You nailed it
You get a few hundred thousand views in a video, some of those are gonna be nutcases.
@@0dysseus42That’s a fact.
I've shipped a (Larger) yacht before and went with it as a "Rider". Throughout the 2 months onboard the ship's crew were treating rust on deck; grinding & painting everyday. Also, depending on the wind direction, the ships exhaust caused black stains on deck. I kept on top of it with daily cleaning otherwise it would have been exactly the same as yours. The only solution would have been to "Wrap it" in plastic (At a cost of several thousand) and even that comes with complications. There's no easy answer to this...
Agreed and grinding sparks can burn through polythene/plastic too.
In my conversation with 7 star, they strongly suggest not wrapping stating that in most cases, the wrap does not survive the journey and causes damage to the tires and other boats as it disembarks on its own accord.
Yes there is an easy answer: C/O should ensure cargo is looked after on any ship, and organised the crew appropriately Any grinding of steel should be done in ballast not next to valuable cargo especially in the wind. Each of those particles will rust and damage any surface. This is pure carelessness by people who always have someone else to clean up after them.
Thank you for sharing your experience and for choosing Sevenstar Yacht Transport! We're delighted to see the entire transport process featured in your videos. We wish you a fantastic sailing adventure in the Mediterranean and hope you enjoy every moment on the water!
Thank you for the exemplary service. We have had full resolution to our issues and your insurance covered our invoices.
Thank you for making the process simple and not equivocating over the insurance.
While mistakes happen, it is how they are resolved that make a company
Guys, I absolutely love your attitude! It is YOUR choice to sail or not sail to be honest! Your response to the rust specks is commendable. ‘Things’ happen and as long as one puts one’s hand up and say my fault, then what more can be done. No matter how much jumping up and down and remonstrating you feel like exuding, it ain’t going to make matters better. I am confident the matter will be resolved. Blimey, I would have been mad though! 😂 Thanks for sharing!
One of my favourite things about you guys is how practical you are.
Stuff what anyone else thinks! It's your home and your choice! I will echo what many are saying - THANK YOU for letting us in to your adventures, warts and all!
To be fair i like your decision to ship the boat and start making videos from your desired destination. I'm sure we will feel the good vibes in the coming videos. Cheers and have fun sailing Greece!
So sorry about all the little rust spots. I know just how difficult that kind of rust stain is to remove and then the polish and waxing of the gelcoat on such a new vessel. You two are maintaining such a great attitude about the situation. Hats off to you.
Thank you for sharing this experience. Crossing an ocean is a huge challenge and things can happen. Knowing that this is an option for someone is very valuable alternative. Even when things happen the alternative to leaving a boat somewhere or shipping in certain circumstances is huge! Thank you!
18 months?!?! I’d ship too and just get on with life. This was a great episode. I’m happy to see that you’re safe and back in Europe. The shipping story was so interesting. You two deserve to get a break! Geez. Hopefully your time with family on the Mediterranean will be blissful.
This was super informative. I have been involved with shipping of a variety or products over many years (never shipped a boat before though) and the one thing that I can say on the subject is, if you insure (actually you MUST insure) the goods in transit and properly declare everything then the insurance usually pays out marine insurance is not like household or car insurance there are literally 100's of years of laws that have been refined over time that maritime insurance follows.
Absolutely angel grinding sparks.
And they could have been doing this anywhere on the ship that was up wind from your boat.
I put my boat in a marina for a day and a night and came back to find it had blue paint spots everywhere and someone had sprayed a boat 100 meters away and up wind.
So yes we know exactly how you feel.
Regards from Oz
Absolute Correct Decision To Ship.
18 month minimum to get there... Yep, I'd have done it too.
Now you're where you want to be... Kudos!
Glad RR2 is all ok...lol😊
CONGRATULATIONS on being in the Mediterranean!! Doesn't matter how you got there!! As long as you got there safe and sound!! Your boat, your life - up to you how you do it!!
Thanks for the marina cost info. It's something I sometimes miss when watching RUclips sailing and dream about visiting those places. Hope you get the boat sorted and it doesn't ruin your plans
This was a great video! I recently used 7-Star as well to ship SV Areté from France to the US. For some reason, I did not receive any negative feedback for that decision. I didn't have any damage from shipping.
I really really appreciated your highlighting the costs of sailing across oceans. The planning, extra equipment, wear and tear, fuel and excess provisioning are significant costs.
Your catamaran reviews and the more family centered videos from Sailing Zatara gave us the confidence to buy a Catamaran and begin our adventure.
Thank You!
CONGRATULATIONS!! How very exciting! Do you have a SM to follow?
Shipping was the right solution for sure!
Great episode guys. We cannot believe that people would berate you for not sailing to Europe. They must have nothing better to do with their time. We look forward to following your Mediterranean adventures. Cheers
Thank you for taking your valuable time to produce this video with such honesty. I love your adventures and the privilege to come along with you via your videos. You do what works for you. It’s is both a financial and time consuming process that is a personal decision. If someone wants to move their boat, they can do what they want. This your boat and home. Love watching. I look forward to your travels in Greece. 🇨🇦
Glad things went relatively well. Thank you for the explanation. I had wondered about what the damage would be like and your reasons for shipping. It's your boat and your life to do what you want and you just take us along for the ride. Enjoy Greece.
Bummer about the damage, but glad it seems to be getting resolved. Looking forward to sharing your adventures in the Med!
Fascinating video! I've follow many sailing channels and have never seen this topic covered before, let alone as thoroughly as you did. Enjoy the Med!
Excellent video. I really enjoyed hearing your well thought through, calm, and rational perspective on the damage and the company’s response. Enjoy your time in the Med and in particular Greece. 😊❤
No need to apologize, you made the best decision, is your boat your life and your youtube channel, we are just tagging along with you. Can wait for the EU adventures coming. Greetings
Regardless, what the nay or yeah sayers comment...you summed it up when both of you stated, "...it would not work for you"...the long transit. 😊
Loved everything about this! Honest descriptions of the process and options, results and implications etc. Dealing with bureaucracy, whether shipping agents or insurance or whoever is vaguely terrifying for me! That needs work on my part.
The "things we forgot" section must be one of the most important bits of sailing info ever put on RUclips
Plus the last 10 seconds are probably some of my favourite all-time Ruby Rose comments.
I was able to follow the entire journey from when you went out to the ship and was parked next to it for several hours, down around the cape, the stop in Gibraltar and finally the disembarking in Turkey. A lot of things I witnessed along the journey now make sense with you sharing your experience. Thanks you for taking the time to do this.
Nice talking heads videos. Glad it’s all seemingly worked out and you’re enjoying Turkey and Greece. Stay safe.
I found the process of deciding to ship RR2 and what you went thru upon receiving her in Turkey fascinating. Just reinforces my motto: no matter what it is, nothing is EVER simple. Glad you and RR2 are in the Med relatively safe and sound and wait to see you in Greece. One of my FAVORITE countries!
Wow, that is a pretty extensive process Nick. And it is too bad that that un-named Country caused the vast majority of issues here. And the fact you cant name them in fear of be demonetized is nuts. But she is there finally and you guys will be sailing around the Med soon
Your relationship with your wife is just the same as mine is with my wife! I burst out laughing when she shut you down, no comments about “y” certain nations. As to shipping your yacht, not my cup of tea but also not my yacht. I still love your channel and watching your personality work together. And cudos to you for your volunteering work most commendable!
It's about you guys, not the boat. We can all see lots of nice boats sailing everywhere, on a million channels but only one has you! 🐬
Sailing from northern France, thanks to Covid, after a glorious year of sailing we had to ship from Ft Lauderdale to Vancouver. We used Seven Seas Yacht Transport... they were outstanding. Not only in the transport but during the panic of lockdowns and boarder closure, as we were sailing madly from the most eastern ports of the Bahamas to Ft Lauderdale, they arranged moorage and a delivery skipper to care for our boat and load it for us... phew... Yes it cost a lot ... yes we would have preferred to sail her.... but we arrived in the USA 2 days before the boarder closed! Again... phew. Covid massively screwed our sailing plans for a few years indeed but we have our ship here at home with us!
❤ Excellent informative video, it's your boat, your choice, your life, stuff what others think. That's why we follow these channels, learn stuff, have a laugh, fill in rainy days.
Enjoy, Cheers from New Zealand.
Think you made the right decision. Not sure why anyone would be bothered either way by your choice, but as you said, it's the internet. Don't think I've ever shipped something considerable overseas, be it a car, household etc without something getting damaged or stolen. Upsetting but some things just are what they are and its simpler just to be prepared for it and deal with it after.
Thanks for that run-down of counting the costs of shipping vs sailing to your parents' stomping grounds. It really helps us simple-minded folk see what needs to go into making such a decision.
Also loved the dancing around the problems along the Suez route.
Awesome talk guys! Glad you had a positive experience with shipping - even with the damage happy to hear that working the company is going smoothly. Looking forward to seeing you guys have fun in the med! Cheers legends!
Very useful information. Thanks Nick and Terysa!
Glad you found it useful Cecil!
Thank you for video! Can appreciate the pragmatic approach you both took given the circumstances.
One of your best vids, thanks for the interesting shipping of your new home and hope all plans now falls into place for you both.
Love this , first ever video on shipping I have seen.
Sorry to hear of the hassles you guys endured hope sailing in the “home waters” goes quite well for you-good luck
Very good and as usual introduced perfectly ,the shipping company might think of wrapping boats as I presume yours was not the only one with the damage ,it makes more sense to ship than sail
Very informative. What I find really amazing is the fact that a de facto monopoly company takes so much care of their customers. Looking forward to your Greek adventures.
Thanks so much for the update! I am sorry that you experienced damage, but I am pleased that the shipping company has taken responsibility.
I honestly hope your experiences in the Mediterranean match your expectations, and I look forward to (virtually) tagging along.
I have enjoyed each and every episode.
Thanks again 😊
Very insightful and glad you both are back on your beautiful boat! Happy Sailing in the Med.
Sorry people are picking apart your decisions. Thank you for the detailed discussion of the why's - REALLY informative. Glad you all got to the Med OK and I'm really looking forward to living vicariously through your videos!
So informative love it all like always. Thank you guys look forward to Greece!
Thanks for the update. I am looking forward to seeing your next sailing adventure. Very informative and honest about the journey. Also, enjoy watching your videos.
wow great video, but we kind of expect that from you guys! can't wait for more!
I love you two and love watching your videos. I hope that everyone else that are watching are learning from your experiences. Also I recommend watching sailing Yaba for your own personal enjoyment. And for hopefully easing your anxiety nick. You’ll like them I swear.😊
Think it is great that you shipped your boat and looking forward to your adventures in the Med.!
Glad you are back to sailing, love your videos. I have been following you since the beginning.
Really interesting to learn what was involved in the shipping process of RR2! Thanks for sharing and I'm looking forward to your videos of sailing in the Med.
Great episode. Very interesting. Loved the fact you will get resolved with the shipping company. You answered some questions that may pop up when shipping. I hope you have a somewhat stress free end and this will soon be something in the past. Cheers from the West Coast of Canada.
I would love these types of 1st world problems. A well managed episode.
so, so thankful for yet another indeed valuable video. Thank you so very much and I wish you good times in the Med.
Learned a lot from this video and found it extremely interesting. I always enjoy these types of episodes as well as your technical videos. Keep the content coming.
Awesome, thank you!
Great episode. Thanks for all the great information about shipping. Really it is not anyone’s business why you shipped instead of sailing. I really enjoy all your episodes.
That was really interesting! I can’t believe how quick the time went watching this!
Unless people are willing to pay you to cross 3 oceans and actual sail it themselves, they have no say in what you decide. It's your time, your boat and your money. Doesn't matter if you are on RUclips and everyone has an opinion. NOT UP TO THEM. Thanks for sharing your adventures.
what a great team you both are, always look forward to your video's.
Thank you for the details on the experience and the process. Enjoy the Med!
HA! "Someone" and the Blowfish. That was good. On a scale of 1-10, my knowledge of music might be a 1 at best and even I got that one.
You guys do what feels right for you and ignore all the naysayers.
I feel so sorry for your adventure with shipping your boat in the med, and how it turned out with damages in the end. This is really unfortunate because it's your home, and finally I hope that the insurance of the carrier vessel will be coming back to you for full compensation to repair it soon. The fact that it can be refinished and ready to sail in the med at destination, is nice and positive. The insurance, estimates, and documents make it more boring, but this is another part of the test & learn....of life !
For what it’s worth: I think you guys made the smart decision to ship. If this whole adventure was just a checkbox, it would make sense to sail. You have a different goal to just checking a box.
Green is your color lady!
I don't know if they've discovered the best color for the captain yet. Glad you all made it in one piece and we are all learning something from the adventure.
So sorry for your damages but glad it is all fixable. I agree with Nick you did what you needed and everyone else can do it the way they want.
in case you are looking to ship again in the future, please note that there are alternatives to the two shipping companies you mentioned in your episode - having shipped a number of boats to/from the Med and Middle East - dirty boats is a common issue, in your case rust stains, often sod stains from the shipping boats exhaust as well (which is very difficult to remove from teak decks for example) - where possible it is work considering shrink-wrapping the boat - not always possible and comes at a cost, but may save hassle on arrival
Very smart decision, crazy to sail all that distance
Wishing you early recovery of your losses & best of luck with the insurance company.
Happy sailing to both of you. ENJOY 😊
Screw the haters! It’s your boat, your decision!
I feel so sorry for you two hope it all gets sorted asap
For safety reasons, sure the best choice. For the purpose of the adventure and to be different of the sailing mainstream, the navigation will be the best choice!
Absolutely the right decision to ship not sail. 👍🏼 Well done both….
Nice report on the shipping issues!
The rust staining underway from deck shipping is quite common. Those loading decks are full of rust, which swirls around, coats everything and gets baked on during the journey
One trick I used to do when shipping yachts from Asia was to liberally coat every surface I could with a wax polish, don't buff it off and leave it as a protective coating. It helped in keeping the rust stains from penetrating into your gloss coat.
I agree you made the right decision to ship, unfortunately, at the worst of times.
Fair winds and enjoy!
Love your videos and honesty. I have been in the international shipping (primarily household goods) for over 40 years and as you said, mistakes happen, but it is all about the resolution. All the best to you.
Great video… sorry to hear of the damage, but as You say the shipping company is promising to take care of that.
I really enjoyed the information of the shipping process.
Blessings again… the children in Vietnam are blessed to have you help them.
So sensible to ship. I booked to send my Feeling 416 to Greece from Southampton but was persuaded to send on its bottom. Big mistake, the delays, the gear breakages, crew problems - ended up costing as much as shipping with months of grief. Bad luck with the damage though, so infuriating. Great resume of the whole process - thanks.
Look forward to seeing your mum and dad on your new beautiful home!! Great video for information. Have an amazing time sailing in the Mediterranean!! You did the right thing shipping your boat.