Bakari Sellers and Coleman Hughes on Police Accountability | Real Time with Bill Maher (HBO)
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"My Vanishing Country" author Bakari Sellers and "Conversations with Coleman" podcast host Coleman Hughes join Bill to discuss police accountability in the wake of Breonna Taylor's killing.
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I'm a liberal and love this show but I got to say that the audience just clapping every time they hear an argument like, "cop bad" is really annoying and brain dead.
Agreed.
Bakari is like "i don't care what you say if it doesn't fit my narrative then I don't care, btw buy my new book
They sound like trained seals
Same here... it's just reflexive. I'm from Seattle we just defunded our police by 100 officers and completely disbanded our homeless relocation team. We have ZERO nada nothing zilch to replace them. We are legislating from a bumper sticker in the pacific Northwest. This is what's coming to your neighborhood. Former democrat here.
Facts
This was a horrible setting for a debate. Get rid of the audience immediately.
'look how hard i can clap!'
@@peteconroy1348 Look how hard I can clap at leftist BLM drivel.
The clapping sucks, absolutely.
It was also a horrible lineup. You have a guy whose nickname is Bakari Sellout debating a guy who identifies as Puerto Rican yet argues against reparations for African Americans. A sellout vs an agent saboteur.
@#1 tricycle mechanic gave them the finger! It was marvelous
Coleman Hughes is one of the most brilliant young minds of our time, and neither of these guys let him get a full thought out. Highly recommend his podcast "Conversations with Coleman".
@paul hester Haha! That's right...rather than determining his own sense of self and place in the world, Coleman should rely on Biden's monolithic, dementia-laden approach to race and how to act, think, behave!!
@paul hester I can't explain it, but I heard about that and think it was in 2017, which would have put him at 20 years old. I speculate he was trying to be edgy and artistic, and it wasn't good. That said, I don't think all decisions made at 20 should determine our life path forever. One of the challenges I see with cancel culture is that it doesn't allow for growth, evolution, and development...which are all part of the human experience. We mess up sometimes and do stupid things as humans. The goal is to learn and grow...which I think he's done.
@paul hester why is it on Matt to explain that, especially since it has no relevance whatsoever to the commentary in the vid?
@paul hester can you answer the question?
I highly recommend his interview on Unherd
Coleman is just so composed, rational, and empathetic at the same time.
Because Coleman is an experienced Buck Dancer LOL!
@@dnate697 what an asinine comment. Anyone that questions your lockstep narratives is derided. Most of you known nothing but being reactive. He's a student of life. He didn't have a side or an agenda. He's after truth and reality.
Noah Thomas......INTERESTING. because you just explained his great jazz trombone playing
Coleman's entire argument on the Tayor case loses all ground when you know that they fired the one cop for discharging his gun into the neighbors household
So he got fired and or held accountable for shooting into the wrong house, but the cops who shot the wrong women over 20 times were totally doing it by the book?
Bullshit!
So apparently despite the fact that the cops had the wrong house, were looking for the wrong guy who already was in custody at the time and literally were caught trying to falsify evince and or hiding evidence from the trial
to the point even the grand jury members are demanding all facts be made public becasue the attorney general lied about the case...
we need to understand they were justified in firing back after being shot t for trying to break into an innocent persons house?
funny, cause if i accidentally kill someone on the job and or in real life, i can be fired from my job and or possibly brought up on manslaughter charges if its proven i screwed up and or acted wrongly
but the cops who were caught lying about no body cam evidence, who were caught trying to force breanna’s boyfriend to admit she was some kind of criminal/drug kingpin in order for him to be let go,
just get to shrug their shoulders and walk away?
Coleman Hughes: I just want to see the police improve.
Audience: *silence
(Literally 5 seconds later)
Bakari Sellers: I just want better police.
Audience: *Roars
They are not going to improve though, that’ the point, the brutality and thuggishness is ingrained
that’s why the courts have literally supported police departments decisions to not hire smart people to be cops....
I've never seen a product or staff improve from lack of funding. Like they think if they cut funding all the bad cops will only lose their jobs as a a result of it. Demanding reform and defunding are two totally different endgames.
@@Lastjustice Good point. The bad cops will stay because it's a job they can easily get. Good cops, like good teachers who were underpaid when I was young, will leave.
@@mckenzie.latham91 so go be a cop....and fix it
@@Lastjustice Funny, cause i have seen plenty of products and staff that suffered from having too much funding without diverting it to the other necessary and or integral areas to make the whole thing function.
and that’s the majority of police budgets...
that’s also why we have to resort to having police do “wellness checks” on mentally ill and or vulnerable people and why they keep ending up shooting those very same people
cause we’re expecting 12th grade high school drop outs who are trigger happy morons and poorly trained to be able to handle and or interact with sick, mentally ill and or vulnerable people without killing them...rather than maybe diverting funds so that mental health professionals connected to the department can interact with them instead
etc.
We're all in agreement the Clapping was annoying as hell.
Very
Absolutely.
CLAP CLAP CLAP
Yes! Finally something the left and right can agree on.
Bro I swear I was laughing so hard I fell down each time the audience clapped for absolutely no reason😂😂💀
**claps vigorously**
The audience shouldn't exist. They add almost nothing most of the time in a setting like this.
It tells the viewer at home what to think.
The clapping has to go. Its really distracting and stupid.
The audience is showing their ignorance and tribal nature. Whenever Sellers spoke, automatic applause. When Coleman spoke to the nuance of this issue...crickets. Sheep don't think, let alone in nuanced ways.
Agreed but, accusing ppl of being sheep is like telling the teacher the other kids are tattle tailing.
Joseph Bussen Well said and I’m honestly sick of that association. The sheep label swings both ways.
His nuance was to cherry pick a statistic for a cherry picked anecdotal evidenced then hint that there was actual stats supporting him but never mentioning and using any...
“Sheep don’t think in nuanced ways” -bars
@F L He can convey a thought and did convey a thought. Harder to do though in enemy territory...the audience overwhelmed Bill on this one. Sorry that thoughtful nuanced thinking bores you.
coleman hughes is by far the most intelligent one here
Coleman wipes the floor with this brother. Hughes may not elicit the same response from the peanut gallery but he seemingly appears much more effective and persuasive. The “all cops are bad and racist and are targeting blacks” trope will eventually lose its impact when things like analytics and body cams become even more mainstream.
But they do target more BLK folk, look at the people killed over a traffic stop.
Nobody wiped the ground with anybody, they both had an intelligent discussion in spite of disagreeing.
@Deborah Minter intelligent?? Sellars was not only wrong with his portrayal of the facts of several famous cases, but he was wrong about facts that were known at the time of this taping. His description of the Breanna Taylor case was especially egregious. Anyone with any amount of self reflection and objectivity needs to take take 2 minutes of their life and dedicated to the actual facts of that case, then juxtapose it with what Bakari Sellers said on the video. If you do that in an honest way, the only two conclusions you can come to are
1. He is purposefully ignorant
Or
2. He is a race grifter of the highest order.
The audience's reaction to everything he said is all the evidence you need for why these people keep getting away with this nonsense.
When the Applause light light ups your supposed to clap. Been there done that.
Brother? You aren't Black.
Hitchens was right that audience will applaud anything.
Oh Hitch.
HAHA yeah I remember that, I need to find that footage again. You just know the audience is mostly a bunch of white liberals, who want to pick the side that fits the current narrative. They'd clap the guy for just saying his own name.
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The Hitch slap.I so miss it.
This show would be so much better without an audience.
So that's your big take away from the discussion. No surprise that American education is in rapid decline. Engage your brain and stop with the irrelevant commentary.
@@thebillryan that seems to be a pretty consistent take away throughout the comments. Why does that upset you?
Yup. silence is golden
@@thebillryan It's a non-trivial thing, though. It's sort of insulting the intelligence of the watcher, telling them what to like, not to mention steering away from just objective conversation, towards sensationalized politics. The clapping is likely ordered as well, these kinds of shows often have screens in the audience.
@@genericusername8337 It's simple.Ignore it. You have self agency. Listen to what's been said. The number of comments about the audience reveals to me that their not focused on what matters.
I'm frustrated when I watch this conversation.
It does not feel like a genuine exchange between intelligent men, trying to arrive at solutions.
@5:11
Bakari brings up the two pop culture cases of white privilege/soft treatment by police, Dylan Roof and Kyle Rittenhouse. Coleman reminds him that these are flashy headline cases, not sociological arguments. "Those are not representative cases", he says ... Bakari replies "but did they not happen?" ??
... The crowd cheers. ???
That is not an acceptable answer in a SERIOUS conversation about the complex racial and socio-political factors at play during violent police encounters, in the US. For some reason, Bakari must insist that the problem of policing in America is not just a problem of policing ... it's a problem that is unique and particular and targeted to harm the black community, in a special way.
@3:46
Coleman brings up one of the thousands of white victims of police violence. He did so to show the diversity and range of the cruelty of America's policing history.
He doesn't negate race as an important factor, but says it's clearly deeper than race.
Coleman's point is not only reasonable, it's supported by the data. It also means that we can include brothers and sisters of all races to the table to discuss, and protest and organize a better way of policing and protecting citizens.
It also means we can talk broadly about the issues and pathologies that plague communities that are deprived of resources. These communities exist around the country and the beleaguered, neglected populations are not exclusively black.
We can admit all of this, and still aim restructure our society in a justice minded, meaningful way.
It's stunning that Bakari won't take the opportunity to recognize these truths, agree on their common ground, broaden the discussion, and still be an advocate for all the same ideals.
Bakari does not benefit (politically, and therefore financially) to agree with Coleman. It's obvious from the clueless crowd's reaction, that is precisely what Bakari finds beneficial. The more they buy his nonsense, the more he peddles it.
Exactly. He makes his argument seem disingenuous and bolsters those with bloated narratives that just post on social media and do nothing for active change
Exactly this. If the issue with police brutality was framed in a way that included how the police treat all lower class people it would have much broader political support. I'm sure there are poor communities across the country and across racial backgrounds that could come together to demand reform. The way it is framed now hurts its own cause.
Beautiful points.
My voice 💔 A time to heal
Sometimes we have to see the dark before we can make change in the light- Renee B
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“A time to heal”
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Bill's audience are like clapping seals. Worse than the audience on the view. Smh.
Eww that’s a toss up lol
Same Applause light that lights up every time Whoopie or Hostins speaks. Another Shit Show spinning lies and half truths!
The silence of the audience whenever Coleman speaks is hilarious. It’s like a stunned silence...they can’t boo him, not really knowing his political affiliation, and the fact he’s black lol. It’s sad that this is probably the first time ever hearing that perspective.
This must have been an incredibly frustrating debate for Coleman. As the youngest guy there, he's also quite clearly making the smartest and most salient points. But due to his respectful persona, doesn't force the issue and let's the others just blather on with their anecdotal and somewhat strawman arguments.
I wish they'd shown Coleman the same respect he showed them, and directly address his points.
Never heard? That's the damn NORM, so absolutely NOTHING changes as usual.
A country filled with guns, and poorly trained police to boot makes things for a lousy recipe.
1 million will be shot in the next decade, and nothing will truly change because money matters more than lives, this is America dammit!
100 times higher chance of getting shot by police in USA compared to UK, this is an enormous failure.
The rightwing policies will not start to do social investments vs social control, the latter will win
"blacks were 10.1 times more likely than whites to enter prison for drug offenses"
www.hrw.org/sites/default/files/reports/us0508_1.pdf
Shooters Quicker To Pull Trigger When Target Is Black, Study Finds
www.npr.org/2015/08/29/435833251/shooters-quicker-to-pull-trigger-when-target-is-black-study-finds
Black teens who commit a few crimes go to jail as often as white teens who commit dozens
www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/wonkblog/wp/2015/01/30/black-teens-who-commit-a-few-crimes-go-to-jail-as-often-as-white-teens-who-commit-dozens/
Police are searching black drivers more often, but finding more illegal stuff with white drivers
www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2015/10/27/police-are-searching-black-drivers-more-often-but-finding-more-illegal-stuff-with-white-drivers-2/
He didn't explain how Rittenhouse and Dylan Roof walked away after killing people.
@yadadoo20 there’s really nothing to explain. Roof didn’t get shot bc he didn’t resist arrest. Not sure what the narrative means that he went to BK the next day. My understanding is that when the police caught up with roof, he didn’t resist. As far as Rittenhouse, my understanding in that case is he was trying to turn himself in. He called 9/11 and reported that he shot someone in the head. He walked passed police with his hands up. I’m actually unclear as to what happened after that, but I read he did go home. Did he talk to police? Or was the chaos too much and he was ignored?But when they finally went to arrest him, he went peacefully. Two anecdotes that really aren’t comparable. What Maher says is generally correct, you resist arrests whether your black or white, they will “neutralize the threat”.
@@frankd543 "you resist arrests whether your black or white, they will “neutralize the threat”."
If an unarmed person is running away why are so many shot in the back?
Pose absolutely zero threat to the police.
Even the use of tasers leads to a lot of deaths
Reuters finds 1,005 deaths in U.S. involving Tasers, largest accounting to date
www.reuters.com/article/us-axon-taser-toll/reuters-finds-1005-deaths-in-u-s-involving-tasers-largest-accounting-to-date-idUSKCN1B21AH
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"Last year, in total, British police officers actually fired their weapons three times. The number of people fatally shot was zero. In 2012 the figure was just one. Even after adjusting for the smaller size of Britain’s population, British citizens are around 100 times less likely to be shot by a police officer than Americans. Between 2010 and 2014 the police force of one small American city, Albuquerque in New Mexico, shot and killed 23 civilians; seven times more than the number of Brits killed by all of England and Wales’s 43 forces during the same period.
The explanation for this gap is simple. In Britain, guns are rare. Only specialist firearms officers carry them; and criminals rarely have access to them. The last time a British police officer was killed by a firearm on duty was in 2012, in a brutal case in Manchester. The annual number of murders by shooting is typically less than 50. Police shootings are enormously controversial."
www.economist.com/blogs/democracyinamerica/2014/08/armed-police
Not even the police can behave in USA
What's with that audience? Stop clapping and just listen.
Bro the clapping was driving me crazy.
@@Bushrt01 I really wanted to watch this segment, but gave up after 3 minutes; couldn't take the clapping after every other sentence.
The audience was virtue signaling after the guy who wants to defund the police spoke. Before he even made his point he was interrupted by applause. Virtue signaling at its finest.
The audience is mentally programmed to clap when they hear the word "racism".
Seals like to clap
Love Coleman Hughes
Coleman Hughes has more intelligence in his little finger than Bakari Sellers could ever dream of.
I’m impressed with Coleman every time I hear him speak.
At being a tap dancer.
Notice that Coleman actually wanted to talk about solutions and discuss policy. Very levelheaded and calm. Any time he brought up a point it was ignored. Never expanded upon or even critiqued. Yet he would address any point brought up by Bakari but could barely get a word in.
Bakari was full of emotion and anecdotal evidence, which says a lot considering he works for CNN. The fact that he disagrees with the goal of colorblindness, even disagreeing with Bill, is telling. He believes the most important thing about someone is the color of their skin.
Bill needs to STFU when he has guests on with opposing views and go into moderator mode. He spoke way more than Coleman. What’s the point of having a guest on if you speak more than them? His segments when it’s just him are fine and should be the place to get out all his talking points for the night. When it’s him and a guest, I say keep it 50/50 at the very least. The more he can let his guests talk, with sprinkles of him, the better.
The audience is just terrible. When there is a back and forth between opposing guests, and the producers know this will happen, there needs to be a signal to keep the audience quiet.
Coleman is a friggin' genius, and he's only 23. He's so spot on about these issues, it's unreal.
What I like about Coleman is he is always level headed and takes care to chose his words and framing precisely. He goes out of his way to be non combative or inflammatory. Bakari on the other hand was getting defensive and emotional, when his positions were torn apart.
Bakari also said he “believes” that police officers do not get away with crimes against white people. That’s patently false, they do and there is no media scrutiny as Coleman tried to explain.
@@Grkgroup2 Yes, police officers get away with crimes against whites too, but white neighborhoods don't even remotely have the same over-policing problem like black neighborhoods. Even Jim Belushi came on after this segment saying he'd been arrested twice as a teenager for drugs, yet never went to jail.
And that blacks are constantly getting jailed for the same thing, 4 to 1.
Dead on. Bakari is a race baiting snake, just like his ilk on the network of promoting race riots. Hughes doesn't sound like someone who wants to be told what to think because of his skin color.
Coleman Hughes should get more airtime outside of his podcast. His intellect and ability to present facts and ideas need to be heard by many.
He'll never get the amount of airtime he deserves on shows like this or mainstream media in general cause his viewpoints don't fit the mainstream narrative.
@@bluepearl_22 because he's a dang co signing, apologist for bigots.
@@jusliving7977 Hughes is after the truth--and unlike so many, not just pleasing the populist, self-righteous, ego massaging, limited perspective fellow Americans.
Ole Coleman found a revenue stream parroting his masa narrative
@@bluepearl_22
Coleman Hughes shares the pro cop, pro Israel anti Muslim agenda that is pushed by the mainstream media. You don’t get to appear on Bill Mahers show unless you’re part of the establishment.
Have Coleman on again. His voice needs to be heard
Coleman Hughes was so calm in the way he just shut that other guy down. He be like "Bro, I can use anecdotes too." Bakari is then forced to give his thesis without them, which then makes his thesis sound really weak at least to me, but apparently not to the audience
The thing is the audience wasn’t listening to hear perspectives and debate; they were only there to cheer for what they already believe (right or wrong).
Literally God (if there is a God) could have said that Bakari is wrong and Coleman is right and they would still cheer every time Bakari speaks. I could get, it if the cheers went both ways, when good points were made but they didn’t and the bias was nauseating to watch.
@@GhostSal yea i just watched again and the guy says "I don't want less police. I just want better police." LMAO. In other words, he doesn't support defunding the police. Corporate journalists try to redefine "defund" because they are afraid of being openly in conflict with BLM. The ppl chanting "defund the police" want, in fact, less police or even no police, but since he framed his points as "I'm on your side" ppl blindly clap. mE LIKE!!!!!!!!
Spot on.
It doesn't make them less true not to mention them.
An actual healthy conversation and debate on an important issue, more of this please
totally agree
I like Bill Maher bringing ppl from both sides of the debate to actually discuss issues. Instead of most shows with only a one-sided opinion.
I’m crying. I know that’s weird. But it has been so long since I’ve seen people disagree like this. And two people who have the same base morals and values. This needs to continue. With EVERYONE.
Defund the police chant was toned down by Mr. Activist as he was alone and not with 5 noddings CNN drowns. Either way there no getting past the activists who can't afford the gripe to go away. They are the PLO and are no help in any conversation. Tomorrow he will be on another show railing against racism and forgotten will be any conceding points he made here once he gets his White nodders back. Police are militaristic to everyone. When we see the violence on TV we cease to care anymore, about it and just want them to contain the violence. The actual issue disappeared in Minneapolis with defund the police and the first Minneapolis riots and looting. Dems control most city councils even in the Red States. That is where the policing policy is set. All the burning wasn't done to help black people, but to hurt Trump. Just ask the leaders of BLM who the first target is.
Get rid of the audience and it will be even better.
Not a fan of how it ended on "we need to tear the system down or reform it" - you know what happens if we tear the system down? Tons more people die. Tons. Lots of them black - I only point that out since that's a prerequisite for caring these days.
Bill needs to fix his audience, seriously. I like what he says, the guests are having great debates, but all those claps are just disturbing the whole thing
its probably cuz there only like 9 people there cuz of covid. The room definitely sounds smaller
poo 0
It was still a good conversation anyway. It is nice to see some smart people back on the show again.
Agreed! The smaller audiences probably think they need to respond more or louder to make up the size difference!!
Only way to fix the audience is to shut them out.
Stay at home people.
Coleman Hughes!!! A shining hope for the future of the country. I've learned so much from him in subject matter as well as maintaining composure and humility when exchanging ideas with people with different views.
Shoutsout to Coleman Hughes for always being correct and on point, this other guy is an absolute fool with no understanding of the topic looking only to pull at the emotional strings of the mentally weak
This clapping after every sentence is incredibly annoying lol. Let them talk.
Having an audience is an awful format for a serious conversation
@@MrWeaverwa I agree wholeheartedly! It ruins honest discussions
Stop freaking watching. GOD
IMO...when there is clapping, it is not a “discussion” or “conversation”. It is “debate / entertainment”.
That said, to be fair, there was once a time in America...primarily in the 19th century...when political debates were both rowdy and a major form of entertainment and where audience fist-fights occasionally took place.
Protectors...not goons!
The crowd clapping really undermines this conversation.
Maher should make that announcement before the segment to please refrain from clapping and just listen to the discussion.
Yes, it was very distracting and blatantly served the purpose of cheerleading
Dead silence whenever Coleman speaks. People don't want thoughtful, complex, accurate worldviews. They want a simple *story.*
He didnt say anything worth applauding
I've been loving me some Coleman Hughes lately.
Kudos to Maher for having this discussion. But wish Coleman was interviewed alone and got more time to speak. His nuanced perspective is far more interesting to hear than the same simplistic narratives that get all the airtime.
Nope
No. Coleman is completely trying to take race out of Police reactions to these events, and a lot others, when historically Data and said events keeps repeating and happening MORE to Black People than any other race!
@@BowersLA Wow, everything Coleman said really went in one ear and out the other for you, apparently.
I mean if you've ever taken a statistics class, you'd realize race is a statistically significant data point. That's beyond debate.
Look up how to calculate p score.
@@jasper_of_puppets
He is a son of an immigrant. He don't know about the struggle.
I wanna see the next presidential debates show about the same level of respect, honor, intelligence, wittiness, passion for the topic at hand and just plain common decency as these two folks showed here... would that be to much to ask? 🤔 Great arguments and great convo.
You couldn't have said it better. It was a great panel!
Won't happen DT is low IQ & doesn't know how to debate he only knows how to insult. Lowest level of argument is insults. But yeah, it would almost be utopia at this point.
the left has destroyed that dude, wake up
Good luck lol
Yes, I am afraid so
I'm glad to see Coleman Hughes getting more exposure. That man is gonna become a lot more famous in the near future.
He won’t, big tech won’t allow him to. He has a different opinion with strong facts on his side.
Hilarious that Coleman made a statement about having better policing whatever that means for the budget ( no applause) Bakari literally says the exact same thing worded differently (big applause) 😂🙄😂
This had the potential of a great discussion if the trained seals weren’t present clopping.
Pretty sure there’s someone indicating when to clap. That’s how the show works.
LOL!
this audience has always and will always clap anything...as Hitchens declared
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And if there were an actual intelligent person there instead of Bakari Sellers who is just clout chasing for the benefit of his black supremacist target audience.
The audience so annoying here
Clap-clap-clap-clap-clap!
Oh, why do you say that?
Clap-clap-clap-clap-clap!
Bill mentions it "Are we reacting with data and facts and reality to the police problem or are we just reacting?" People start clapping before they even finishes their sentences and their points.
Every time Bakari Sellers speaks - applause. Every time Coleman Hughes speaks - silence.
@@Gcarse And every time I take a dump no applause either. Coincidence?
It’s always been annoying 😎
I'm happy to see Coleman getting some spotlight. I've been following him for a while.
This debate was like watching 2 people in a boat headed towards a waterfall. Sellers was complaining about a small leak in the hull, and Coleman Hughes was there saying, "Ya, that's an issue, but we're heading towards a waterfall!"
Well said!
Coleman could hardly speak. He had a lot to say here and didn’t get his time.
Coleman is like 24 years old. His time will come to voice everything he has to say. I'm glad we have voices like him ready to enter the political sphere armed with intellect, reason, and logic. Qualities that have been severely lacking for much too long.
@@BuddhaReflex his name will be forgotten on this show in an instant cause any reasonable viewpoint that differs from the mainstream talking points gets treated like a drop on a hot stone.
@@bluepearl_22 I agree. He'll eventually find larger platforms then Bill Maher though.
Coleman misses the point it happens to blacks more than often without being threatening.
The ppl clapping for every argument by both guys was kinda annoying
Classic Maher audience...smh
i agree
It's always a hell lot annoying, not just for the sound polution but mainly for dumbing down the discussion by influencing the debaters to reach for the easy applause instead of the right argument.
American television audiences are unbearable.
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woooo
Coleman was cold 🥶 this whole show and well spoken
Coleman Hughes is a national treasure.
Of course you pale faces love black conservatives
Coleman Hughes is sensible and debates with logic. It seems that's what we lack from both sides. Common sense and logic.
Hughes is neither sensible or had any logic. He cherry picked an example of someone being shot by cops who wasn’t black and then accused the other guess of cherry picking not one minute later.
He then argued that these interactions with cops might not be racist and then proceeded to imply the cops were racist by not investigating the murder of black people.
He didn’t seem to know whether he was coming or going. He embarrassed himself.
He is actually trying to move the conversation unlike Bakari who is starting from a conclusion and desperately trying to defend it by circling around every other point being made and fueled by the audience who is happy with the way he manages to keep the conversation from moving into an uncomfortable place that may alter the conclusion they are all desperate to defend
Dashoost Or, Coleman Hughes made poor points that only resonate with a certain group of people who are desperate to believe racism isn’t real.
Take a look at this.
www.google.com/amp/s/amp.theguardian.com/us-news/2020/aug/27/white-supremacists-militias-infiltrate-us-police-report
@@m3driver245Coleman talks about black on black violence as if noone knows this is a problem already. He hasn't yet moved on to looking at its root causes, and how to move beyond it systemically, other than to say "stop doing it".
EDUCATION CAN BE A DISTRACTION ESPECIALLY WHEN A PERSON WANTS IT TO BE!!!!
What we need is the lack of a live audience.
Coleman Hughes is brilliant! Thanks for having someone this thoughtful and clever, and most importantly rational over emotional on your show! Oh yeah, and I fully support all arguments about not the most clever audience - sounded like a cheap sitcom
Coleman Hughes is just way more nuanced and solution based
Coleman Hughes is my new favorite person.
Only speaking the truth.
All the while providing very little of it other than words...
Or he only says stuff at the agrees with your opinion. His actual arguments are things you hear all the time from people on the right and they're actually very flimsy
@Majed Talib lol he rights for Quillette which is a far-right publication which is considered a questionable Source because of his promotion of pseudoscience and racial pseudoscience. He's not a Centrist he literally described himself as a classical conservative. He said that on his podcast. He doesn't speak facts he just says stuff that agrees with your opinion which you think is fact. But I hate to tell you this the real facts don't care about your feelings. Sorry that the truth doesn't fit your narrative
@Majed Talib Yes many of his points i disagree with since they literally take a biased look
for example how he speaks against “black reparations” using the Japanese interment camps of 1942 as an example, only to never mention that in 1989, the American government apologized to Japanese Americans for that and gave them tens of thousands each for reparations.
@@mckenzie.latham91 not really true, Coleman said before that he’s fine with giving reparations to Black folks that actually went through Jim Crow, he spoke out against giving slavery reparations because literally no one who was a slave is still alive today.
In contrast, the American government gave reparations to Japanese-Americans that were ACTUALLY in the internment camps since that bill was passed in ‘89 which was only about 44 years after the war.
Bill stop interrupting Coleman. Killing me just when he's about to make a good point. driving me nuts
Sellers, 36 (lawyer/politician) sounds like an unhinged rabble-rousing activist
Hughes, 26 (student/writer) sounds like a thoughtful balanced unbiased analyst.
Time to adjust our idea of role models, people.
They always reveal themselves in the end... they can't help themselves... "we need to tear it down". The only honest words that came out of sellers mouth that entire video.
That audience clapping is a problem.
I agree. Clap clap clap clap.
Please stop clapping from happening in these types of discussion, it really undermines each point when the person speaking gets drowned out.
I’m a Minority Puerto Rican Bernie Sanders democratic socialist and I also follow Coleman Hughes on RUclips and find him to be a refreshing young Voice of reason that should be heard that not going to give people Woke talking points and gives real statistics to backup what he says
Bill, can you please implement a policy of having the audience hold their applause until the end? --From everyone watching.
Nothing is more exhausting than someone who sees racism in everything.
If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck then.......#🦆
Then it might be a toy duck...
Meaningless expression cos toy ducks exist.
@@tarikR.R.5120 When in Rome?
This is America. It was built on RACISM. Therefore there is RACISM E V E R Y W H E R E
@@ken_dan the ones who see racism everywhere, are the ones who make everything about race
maybe I just got used to the lack of applause after every single line, but shit that got annoying
There is an “Applause” sign that lights up for the audience in that room. My mom went to one of the shows and said they were told when to clap. So if anything, this applause is directed by the producers.
Everybody should spend a week with the police so they see what they have to go through. They’ll get the shock of their lives.
I’m so happy to see Coleman getting the recognition he deserves, great nuanced perspective.
Because you like the HOUSE N-WORDnbb
Bakari: but never mind your facts, let me bring it back to race...
Clap clap clap
Exactly. He absolutely wanted to tear down his "color blindness" strawman, even after he had been told it wasn't about "blindness". Couldn't let it go, because otherwise he didn't have a point.
@Spence Firstly, if you are to look at the statistics, white people are shot by police more often than black people.
www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
Secondly, this isn't a race issue, this is a police behaviour issue. It does not matter whether you're white or black. The only thing race factors into is media circulation of the victim's death. For example, so many people know the names of black people who have died due to police violence and cannot name a single white victim, even though there are more white victims.
Thirdly, this media bias factoring race only ends up building more hostility between black people and police. Black people are more likely to act hostile towards police because they believe the police are looking for a reason to kill them. This just increases the likelihood of conflict.
Lastly, the disproportionate arrests of black people isn't happening in a vacuum. There are wider factors outside of just assuming "police are just racists". For example, black homes have a higher likelihood of containing lead. Lead can lead to greater aggressiveness in later years
www.healthaffairs.org/do/10.1377/hblog20170808.061398/full/
"U.S. studies have reported that lead exposure causes what psychologists call externalizing behaviour problems, such as aggressiveness and bullying, which may lead to truancy and even jail time as children get older."
www.nih.gov/news-events/news-releases/lead-kids-blood-linked-behavioral-emotional-problems#:~:text=U.S.%20studies%20have%20reported%20that,time%20as%20children%20get%20older.
@Spence The first link will take you to a site that tallies death at the hands of police by race. More white people are being killed by police than black people. In 2020, there have been 242 white people deaths at the hands of police, compare that to 123 black people deaths. But I don't believe in looking at these issues in terms of race, since it is not helpful and if anything causes harm. As more people presuppose the idea that the police will randomly kill based on skin colour, they'll base how they react to the police off of that and that can get them killed. When in fact the statistics show that this idea of police killing randomly based on skin colour is just not true.
www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/
@Spence They said more white people are being shot than black people, they weren't discussing proportionality. " white people are shot by police more often than black people." in this context is still correct.
Often (adverb):, frequently; many times; In many instances. (When discussing instances of an event, that is the correct usage.)
Props to Coleman Hughes for staying calm, composed, sticking to the points and being respectful in that he didn't talk over Bakari.
Drowning out Coleman at every turn. Sellers should listen to him. Coleman is a lot smarter and more honest.
I'm glad that the people in this comment section, for the most part, have more sense then this ridiculous audience
And a bad sound bite for them to end the video on
Yeah IKR 🙄
The audience is always too excited and clap for no reason! 😡
Thanks for the props bro
*clapclapclapclapclapclapclapclap* I dunno whatchu mean *clapclapclapclap WHOOO clapclap*
Than, not then.
the audience is annoying and doesn't sound genuine.
Agreed, grandstanding has no place in healthy debate
Very much horrible
Cordy One why is their reaction grandstanding?
@@samueltexeira2734 Crowd reaction encourages grandstanding, it is an unhealthy element of debate.
Legacy Media
The audience applauds at every emotional appeal to their biases, but when Coleman makes cogent statements that challenge their biases, they don’t applaud. There is only one moment of partial applause when when he mentions that Kenneth Walker thought the cops were intruders. The audience is so willing to believe that cops are evil.
People who don't understand why you might "empty" a clip on a suspect have no business commenting how to improve policing.
This is why I love Maher. He's not afraid to question everything.
He was so obviously afraid to broach this subject. I bet he has a stronger opinion when the camera is off. It needs to be said, though. The data does not support the narrative.
The fact he gets so much wrong all the time should have helped him try.
the audience does not applaud at all when tragedies are put into perspective but when woke slogans are presented
Maybe that's a good thing, actually. It could mean that they haven't reflected yet on some new ideas that they're only hearing on this show. Immediately applauding someone's words means you're already familiar with what he's saying and you agree with it.
typical... shows that most average people care about their emotions more than facts - and that’s a very unfortunate fact.
This was, at it’s essence a speculative discussion-entirely anecdotal and thus devoid of objective facts. Interesting enough, Criminological studies that provide statistical data and analysis support Bakari’s position. So if we are talking about people who are led by their emotions instead of facts, we need to include those who eschew this data because they are emotionally incapable of accepting the FACTS.
@@EllaLou600 they dont. Why make things up my friend? Please cite studies.
James West Here’s a whole Annual Review for you:www.annualreviews.org/doi/pdf/10.1146/annurev-soc-073018-022541
Just so we're clear de-funding the police doesn't mean de-funding the police?
I am glad I am not the only black person who does not jump to racism in everything that happens
I wish Bill would go back home.........the audience literally clapping at everything is ridiculous
You don't need to clap everytime you agree
Agree I hate Trump but the far left doesn't help
Bananas how many hours do you have ??
Why was his response to “cherry picking” is “didn’t it happen”? He knows he is smarter than that. Such an irresponsible response
It's just a way of saving face. That's what happens when you spend all your time in a Twitter echo chamber hearing the same unchallenged narrative over and over again. Sellers was probably thinking, "Shit, I haven't thought of that - how can I attack what he just said?"
Jim Henley it’s not a way of saving face. It’s just a poor argument that makes no sense
It was a perfect response,he was citing incidences as proof
@@mogamadgreyson143 that’s call an anecdotal fallacy my friend. If we look at the data it tells a very different story.
He's talking about cases that happened and he could talk about it all day
Coleman is such an amazing intellect who sticks to principle not ideology - Sellers just ignored his point about the high number of black murders left unsolved as an 'inconvenient truth'.
An intruder cop that was justly fired upon doesn't have the right to fire back, he's under a moral obligation to retreat
The officers executing that search warrant weren't just "fired upon" though. They were banging on the door announcing who they were for at least 60 seconds before they made entry, and immediately following the breach, Taylor's boyfriend opened fire from the dark hitting the first officer that came throught the door.
So if anything, those cops had a moral responsibilty to return fire and protect their collegue who had just been shot and dropped to the ground..
Coleman Hughes sounding like the black Sam Harris almost. And i mean that in a good way lol
Lol this is certainly not coming from a Black person, what a surprise!
They had a podcast together. It was awesome.
@Spence So 1 i said Almost. and 2, are his points really that unfounded? did you hear Sam's "Can we pull back from the brink" where he pretty much says a similar point, that for any "yet another poc killed by white cop" he could point a vid where the races are reversed or in any combo that you can think of. To say that isn't to say that there is no race problem in america, its just simply to state that selectively observing videos shouldn't be one's soul ammo for a strong opinion on something they really aren't that well informed on. (not calling YOU out i just mean in general)
@Spence Did you listen to Sam Harris and Coleman Hughes podcast together? They agree nearly on everything, and Sam really likes and admires Coleman. I think they talked about it with Sam if my memory serves right, and they didn't disagree, so make of that what you will. Seems to me you are quite uninformed about Coleman's views, when he said he can find examples he was talking about murders and heavy shit like that, not just cops treating unfairly. The problem here is he didn't get to talk enough and was cut off even by Maher himself, so he couldn't finish telling his views properly. I listened enough of him to know that he doesn't think that black people are treated just as well as white ones, he agrees that cops do pick on black people more often unfairly. The problem is that that is not the same as killing people, and data shows, according to him, that when it comes to cops killing people it's not clear that there's a bias between black or white, media ignores more when cops kill white people. Most often used example is Tony Timpa, you can google that.
I was thinking the same, he is super calm and careful.
“You’re cherry-picking examples”
“Are you saying those things didn’t happen?!”
*audience applauds 🤦🏼♂️
Apparently Coleman doesn’t know what cherry picking is either as he provides a solitary example of a man named Derek Cruise being shot in the face.
M3 Driver he provides it to demonstrate what cherry picking is ie that two could play at that game. That’s the context of his example. His whole argument is that it’s better to look at the stats than have an example-off that leads nowhere.
antonc81 no his example was to ignore statistical relevance by pointing out one non-black person who was killed.
Stats without context mean nothing. He should have 9 Derek cruise examples for every 1 Breonna Taylor example to show if the racial bias thing isn’t true. He doesn’t have that. All he has is the Derek cruise talking point.
@@m3driver245 HA! You have to be joking. Try reading Hughes. He has data on his side. I have to say it was also hilarious that Sellers seemed to not know what the civil rights movement in the 60s led by MLK was about " I have a dream people will be judged by the content of their character" Seller spoke in empty platitudes. He hasn't a clue. www.city-journal.org/reflections-on-race-riots-and-police
@@m3driver245 hear abt his 'No Knock " raid last year that killed two? Of course, you didn't! the victims were white. No BLM support for them.
Both Sellers and Hughes make good and valid points. But what seems to be missing from both talking points is the power of police unions and their relationships w/ the cities and towns they "protect and serve". Much of police conduct (and in some cases a lack thereof) is usually approved by a mutual agreement between city councils and police unions.
In order for there to be any real reform qualified immunity must end, and city council members need to re-negotiate the terms/conditions of the agreement they enter in w/ their police forces. Additionally, we must end the militarization of police forces all around the country, end the disastrous "war on drugs", and take away some of the funding from police forces (or re-allocate them for better training programs), and ALL major cities need to have some form of watchdog/police accountability groups.
Sellers made zero good points. He's obviously a moron.
Maher has to have the most obnoxious crowd on television.
Thank you Bill for having this conversation on your show!!!! I am sooooo proud of you Coleman !!!!!
I don't think Mr. Sellers has the facts correct on the cases he is talking about.
He does not care about the Data. A friend of mine is a professor of ethics in philosophy. He talked to one of his student on the topic of "gender pay gap" and said, that he can show her statistics, which show, that women do not make 30% less than men, the studten told him "I don't care, I have my opinion and that is enough for me". The left simply understands, that science or stats, simply do not matter as long as you can get the crowd. And that is what he just watched in this clip. Coleman points out the cherry picking, Sellers ignores it, Coleman points out that the officers do have a right to shoot back, when shot at, Sellers just ignores and ends the discussion with the same old "This system is made for whites, not for blacks", showing that he ignored anything Coleman said, because at the end of the day he knows, Coleman might be a problem but if the left lies often enough, the lie will simply overshout the truth, simple and tragic as that.
He's parroting the BLM narrative, and people love it.
He said Kenosha "protesters"
Vandalizing, looting, arson and carrying a gun make you a protester if you are considered left-wing. If you are doing the same thing on the right, then you are a terrorist. Either side is not important, you would be a scumbag either way.
@@anthonygeorge9932 It is the same thing in Europe. Anytime there is a financial convention in Swiss, the left and their black block burn down cars and destroy shops and they are mostly supported or defended by the media, in some cases, alt left leftists travel from Germany and France to Swiss so they can burn down stuff, the majority of protesters are peaceful, but the alt left only wants to see destruction. And yes, I dont care what party you are in, the moment you burn down stuff and attack people, is the moment you left democracy and headed for tyranny and I will never support that crap.
Breonna Taylor had a no knock warrant for her house but instead of opening the door after hearing them knocking, though they didn't need to, shot the cops. And he thinks they reacted for no reason.
This is a perfect example of cognitive dissonance. Coleman began to clearly refute racial theories about the police, and everytime bill just interrupted. The last time Coleman cornered the other guy on cherry picking, he backpedaled to "we just need accountability", but at the end reinserted the race argument with no evidence. Truly sad and hard to watch.
Actaully Coleman lost me me there, dismissing accounts as cherry picking doesn't make them less true. Just as his views has anecdotal evidence, no one used them to dismiss his own side of the argument. I would not have backed away from the story if I was the other guy, but persisted in asking Coleman for his take on why they happen?
Coleman Hughes with the look on his face "I can't belive this idiot"
@Spence how so? The dude is crazy smart.
Coleman Hughes is a rare, brave and valuable voice in America.
He's the absolute best. And he's the future.
There’s like 3 people in the audience and HBO paid them to clap every time the black guy on the left speaks. For all we know they were trained seals!
Bakari Sellers does a fantastic job presenting the twitter argument against police brutality.
Coleman Hughes does an even better job presenting stats to counter Sellers' conjecture.
There were no stats.
When you realize the Joe Rogan Experience is the true place to host a real conversation #stopclapping #justlisten
LOL wasn’t Joe rogan literally just reprimanded for peddling debunked right wing conspiracy theories about leftists starting forrest fires...
oh right he was and he had to apologize for it after the FBI told him he was pushing debunked lies and to shut ip
yep sounds like the best person for this debate
a fucking drugged up “skeptic” who believes and pushes anything he’s told and or hears with no fact checking...
Mckenzie .Latham wow over a day and no one agrees with u? I guess he is the worlds #1 most watched media source for some reason huh?
@@mckenzie.latham91 Sounds like everything you know about Rogan came from last months media cycle. But yes. That guy. That's the best popular media sources to find real talk. You might check out Bill Maher's appearance or one of the many other guests far far to the left of Maher as a starting off point. Ease you into the conversation.
@@mckenzie.latham91 you mean the same FBI that lied, pushed false information to a FISA court and attempted to falsely accuse a sitting president? Really!.....smh
@@mckenzie.latham91 Yeah ... I agree with the consensus. You don't know anything about Joe Rogan. He is more left-wing than right-wing and was a big Bernie Supporter after having him on his podcast. Rogan lets his guests speak and asks good questions that lead into interesting discussions. This Bill Maher discussion was "ok" but Rogan would take these two guests to a much higher level and provide more time for them to expand on their opinions. And added bonus of doing so without the mindless clapping of an audience.
bakari just says what people like to hear he is like a politician
That's because he is.
Bakari Sellers said every black activist/black SJW/black liberal intellectual talking points. Especially when he said that the "the system worked perfectly because it was not made for us" shit, and "we need to tear it down."
Facts bro. Sellers is unimpressive. Hughes is literally a breath of fresh air. Please pardon the cliche.
Nice try, but here's the thing Bakari is not lying. These talking points, that you all like to call them, addresses what is happening. For generation this country has been allowed to terrorize people of color, especially black.
@@tyiingram9878 ...please name a situation, post civil rights movement, where "a country" has terrorized black people in any way they havent to someone of any other race.
Lack of accountability? Breonna's family received many millions of dollars and I believe they have changed police policy on no-knock warrants.
It wasn’t a no knock, she wasn’t asleep, they didn’t fire first and the list goes on
The audience was clapping for themselves. Very strange behavior.
Nope, typical. You really need to pay attention.
Typical for this show
Woke derangement.
Interesting insight. Spot on.
Yep anything we agree with is good and just and moral. Anything we don’t is hateful and illegitimate and worthy of being burned down.
The phrase “defunding the police” is provocative and leads to misunderstanding. Call it what it is: a balancing of funding and priorities.
@@VoxVictus because calling for it makes on an idiot.
This is not accurate when some tells you what they want believe them and just saying "they havent killed 30 people and done billions of dollars in damage haven't been done" they want to abolish the police and it doesnt have a deeper meaning and BLM flat out denounced campaign zero dozens of times so dont feed me that BS you clearly dont have any idea what your talking about and your rationalizing it on the fly or taking it from someone whos lying to your face as a lefty for decades and i was a Bernie donor from 2002-2019 your wrong period
It’s not misunderstanding, ppl in America don’t care until it affects them. If it was called “reallocation of city resources to vulnerable communities”, Democrats would means test it, Independents would ignore it, and Republicans would demonize it as socialism.
People in America do not care about anything or anybody except themselves, family or their lifestyle.
@UCxlhvqJBBDSIphJkBnFBscg nope socialism is the full control of all markets by the government libertarian is no government and everything in between is called Neo Liberalism especially by socialists but youve never even talked to 1 or like Googled it try it politics is to vast for anyone to fully understand dont be completely ignorant child
They literally had signs saying abolish the police just the other night, same as back in June. Last time I checked abolish means to tear down or destroy, not balancing priorities and reforms.
He said it, lack of accountability toward the criminals also adds to the problem.
Came for Coleman, stayed for Coleman.
All police need body cams n they must b turned ON at all times! PERIOD
So they can post their killings on youtube.
@@thomasnk9489 when that happens i am going to subscribe to premium!
Doing this will not solve the problem. Police must be trained, must do only their job.
@@acopernic none is rly interested in solving anything. It is mostly about virtue signaling and getting likes on youtube. And to be honest i don't care i am white.
As long as you have no accountability, body cams mean dick shit. All it does is prove to the public their fears are justified.
I like MR. Hughes, he is tough and smart.
Sorry - but I disagree with you here. He's right that not everything should be about race, but his points are below average. He criticizes Bakari for one person examples but he does the same. And actually, when you discount more interactions the police have w/ blacks, there is a strong racial bias to the disadvantage of black Americans
@@avaparker9603 do you have a source for that last claim? multiple studies have not shown such an effect when it comes to lethal police violence, such as Roland Fryer's 2017 study
@@avaparker9603 that's strange, Coleman mentioned a source that actually said the contrary : that when it comes to killing someone, cops are more likely to shoot a white person
Hughes constantly is found to misuse and misrepresent data foreign weak arguments all the time...
just try listening to his bullshit on anti reparations.
5:38 Hughes: “You’re cherry-picking examples.”
Sellers: “Did they not happen?”
There’s only one of two explanations here for Seller’s response. Either he doesn’t understand the difference between relying on anecdotes versus data when analyzing a social phenomenon, which makes him uneducated enough to not qualify for an opinion on that table, or he knows better but he’s willing to lie, which also disqualified him from a seat at the table. Which is it?
I want to read more about Coleman Hughes. Bc Sellers is the most annoying woke champ ever.
Thomas Sowell also you should check out