A Nuanced View On Israel and Palestine with Andrew Gold
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2023
- So this is kind of a unique episode. Andrew Gold, who I had on this podcast earlier this year, asked me if I wanted to hop on with him and discuss the Israel-Hamas war and I said, sure. So we're airing the first half of that conversation where I do most of the talking on my podcast. But we're airing the second half of that conversation on Andrew's podcast, which is called On the Edge with Andrew Gold. So after you listen to this, you can go listen to that.
We talk all about the war in Israel and Gaza. As you'll hear, Andrew and I agree that there is simply no moral equivalence between Hamas and Israel. And as you'll hear, I'm also quite sympathetic to the policies that Israel has had to take in order to protect itself from terrorism. I plan to have many more conversations about this topic and I really want to get someone on this podcast that strongly disagrees with me so I don't create an echo chamber for myself or for you guys. I hope you enjoy this conversation.
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Loved talking to Coleman again, the guy is a legend! Thanks for all your support, everyone - I've already had a few coming over from here :)
I love Coleman's podcast. This was a phenomenal discussion. Thank you.
The two of you in a conversation is so inspirational. Listening to how each of you share your human experiences is a real learning prospect if each of us opens our minds and hearts.
Fascinating and so important. I can't thank you both enough for trying to bring some kind of sense to the tragic events in Israel.
You’re not too shabby either, Andrew 👍
I agree 100%...with both comments above.
Thank you Coleman for being one of the few rational, level-headed people with a platform. I don't think I can overstate how important it is that you're having these conversations and pushing back against some of the worst thinking that is, unfortunately, out there.
not level headed at all, pro zionism is evil
Settler
Occupation
Apartheid
This is just anti semitic.
He's both uninformed and ill-informed
You thank him for feeding propaganda? He has been spreading lies and misinformation, shame on him
Hamas are terrorist and Israel is worse! You are also incorrect about IDF using civilians as human shields. They do use their civilians as human shields . They take advantage of it to get the permission of the international community to do whatever they want to do.
You can’t be rational when you don’t know the facts. These guys are ignorant of both the history of this conflict and Israeli tactics. They’re clearly unaware the IDF has an official policy of deliberately targeting civilians as both a show of force and because they hold them responsible for the actions of their “leaders.” Google it, it’s called the Dahiya Doctrine. Then google “The Dahiya strategy by Yaron London,” and statements from Chief of the General Staff Gadi Eisenkot and Major General Giora Eiland on the topic. You’ll see what I’m saying is true. They openly discuss Israel’s policy of bombing civilians.
It’s easy to condemn Hamas, what they did was evil and horrible. So why is it so hard to condemn Israel? Just because they mutilate civilians with a laser guided bomb dropped from a $50 million warplane doesn’t make it any different. Anyone with a moral compass should understand that. And don’t pretend this is justified by Saturday, this conflict started 75 years ago and has been raging since the aughts.
Then these guys talk about how Hamas is such an outlier for reveling in the deaths of civilians, apparently unaware that the IDF has been posting pictures of entire blocks of leveled apartment buildings on their Twitter feed as some twisted triumphal cry. Cheering at the pictures of dead Palestinian civilians. Who do you think is under the rubble? Hamas fights are all hidden in tunnels.
They claim Israel would never use civilians as human shields even though they do just that in the West Bank. They send settlers out into dangerous territory to annex Palestinian land, putting them in harm’s way, knowing it will stir conflict and give them a casus belli for rolling in IDF forces to kill more Palestinians.
These guys care so little about the truth they say that whether babies were beheaded is a “pedantic detail.” First of all, it was a complete lie that has been confirmed as such by several sources including the White House. Second, if that’s a lie then any person capable of thinking critically should be able to extrapolate and wonder what else is a lie. It’s actually an important part of the story of how Israel disseminates propaganda. Btw, what do you think happens when a building is collapsed on a child, or a bomb explodes next to them? You think they aren’t decapitated? Do you think they aren’t blown to bits with tiny fingers and toes and arms and legs strewn about everywhere? That’s what Israel is doing right now, massacring babies and grandmas on a scale that makes Hamas’ terrorism look like amateur hour. And they’re doing it intentionally, anyone who can’t see that has their head in the sand.
Having established that the tactics and attitudes of both sides is basically the same, the real question comes down to WHY they’re doing it. Hamas is doing it because they’ve been driven insane by being confined within an open air prison run by Israel their whole lives. Israel is doing it simply because they refuse any attempt at making peace; they’ve turned down every peace accord put forth by the UN even when virtually every other nation agrees with it. Because they demand all of the area be an ethno-state that is “only for Jews,” as Netanyahu said proudly. Guess what, maintaining an ethno-state requires ethnic cleansing, it’s not rocket science. That is the mission of the Israeli government, as it has been for 75 years now. They are perpetrating an ethnic cleansing and their treatment of the Palestinians under an apartheid regime has been barbaric beyond comprehension. READ about the conditions there. LISTEN to the people who live there. LEARN how Palestinians do not have citizenship, or representation, or freedom of movement. How Gaza is was put on a borderline starvation diet, how the West Bank has been carved into 150+ cantons with checkpoints everywhere to harass, humiliate, and unfairly imprison Palestinians. They can’t even marry an Israeli.
Btw, the are a huge number of Israelis who agree with this and see it very clearly. Haaretz, the biggest paper in Israel, has authored numerous op-eds laying the blame for this at Netanyahu’s feet for antagonizing and annexing Palestinians so viscously. The discourse within Israel is nothing like it is in the west, because their writers aren’t afraid of being called anti-Semitic.
These guys don’t have a clue what they’re talking about, nor do they seem capable of engaging in academic discussion or critical thinking. Take off your dunce cap and put on your thinking hat. Go read the writings of Israelis who are against these cruel actions and you will get an educated perspective instead of listening to these guys regurgitate hasbara at you. Read what Yeshayahu Leibowitz wrote about Israel being on the brink of becoming “Judeo-Nazis.” Remember what happened in the wake of 9/11 when America made the same mistakes. Study, do your homework, research everything I’ve pointed out. Don’t rely on talking heads with podcasts to deliver you an answer. These are not serious people, and it is a very serious topic.
Thank you Coleman for being a beacon of light and speaking the truth that so many people sadly don't want to hear.
biased and pro zionist as usual
Both of you may want to interview Arab-Israelis, like Yahaya Mahamid!!! There's no Palestine.There is Gaza. And, of 160 Disputed Territories in the world, the formerly occupied West Bank by Jordan and Judea & Samaria is ONE of 160. There are Arabs who re-branded themselves as "Palestinian" after 1967 (they refused to be called Palestinian prior). The Woke Army bag of lies has re-branded the old "Slaughter the Jews" as "Free Palestine." You'll thank yourselves for reading Asra Nomani's, "Woke Army." To understand the "Holy Hate, Love of Death" Islamist doctrine, read Cynthia Farahat's "Secret Apparatus." 1500 Israelis have already been killed (10/15/23). Just another lie, Gaza is not as crowded as Tel Aviv and the Hamas leadership live in palaces.. The "proportionality" BS has exhausted itself. Hamas is just a branch of the Submission Bros. Watch the film "Timbuktu's" to get an idea and "Habermann," to see what happened to ethnic Germans at the end of WWII. Taken from Carter's book, the apartheid idea is BS. If anything the Arabs have cleansed Jews in their lands (Watch "The Forgotten Refugees" on Vimeo). Carter's context was a future possibility, in case the Jews annex Judea, Samaria and the former West Bank and Israel stop being a Jewish-majority state. Gotta stop talking about this BS. Middle East scholar, Dr Kedar has a brilliant idea, "the Arab-Palestinian Emirates," Right now it may be too risky to try, however.
Truth? he is the definition of ignorant. He doesn't know what he is talking about.
I am not sure whether he gave an accurate account of what happened at the kibbutz. There are different reports as well. ruclips.net/video/3cPeRSVgUpQ/видео.html
What truth? These guys are unbelievably ignorant of both the history of this conflict and Israeli tactics. They’re completely unaware the IDF has an official policy of deliberately targeting civilians as both a show of force and because they hold them responsible for the actions of their “leaders.” Google it, it’s called the Dahiya Doctrine. Then google “The Dahiya strategy by Yaron London,” and statements from Chief of the General Staff Gadi Eisenkot or Major General Giora Eiland on the topic. You’ll see everything I’m saying is true. They discuss it openly.
Then these guys talk about how Hamas is so strange for reveling in the deaths of civilians, apparently unaware that the IDF has been posting pictures of entire blocks of leveled apartment buildings on their Twitter feed as some twisted triumphal war cry.
Ffs, they care so little about the truth they say that whether or not babies were beheaded is a “pedantic detail.” First of all, it was a complete and utter lie that has been confirmed as such by several sources including the White House. Second, if that’s a lie then any person capable of thinking critically should be able to extrapolate and wonder what else is a lie. It’s actually a very important part of the story of how Israel disseminates propaganda. Btw, what do you think happens when a building is collapsed on a child, or a bomb explodes next to them? You think they aren’t decapitated? Do you think they aren’t blown to bits with tiny fingers and toes and arms and legs strewn about everywhere? That’s what Israel is doing right now, massacring babies and grandmas on a scale that makes Hamas’ terrorism look like amateur hour. And they’re doing it intentionally, anyone who can’t see that has their head in the sand.
It’s easy to condemn Hamas, what they did was evil and horrible. So why is it so hard to condemn Israel? Just because they mutilate civilians with a laser guided bomb dropped from a $50 million airplane doesn’t make it any different. Anyone with a moral compass should understand that.
Having established that the tactics and attitudes of both sides is basically the same, the real discussion comes down to WHY they’re doing it. Hamas is doing it because they’ve been driven insane by living in an open air abattoir their whole lives. Israel is doing it simply because they refuse any attempt at making peace. Because they demand all of the area be an ethno-state that is “only for Jews,” as Netanyahu said proudly. Guess what, maintaining an ethno-state requires ethnic cleansing, it’s not rocket science. That is the mission of the Israeli government, as it has been for 75 years. They are perpetuating a genocide and their treatment of the Palestinians has been barbaric beyond comprehension. READ about the conditions there. LISTEN to the people who live there. This conflict did not start on Saturday.
Btw, the are a huge number of Israelis who agree with this and see it very clearly. Haaretz, the biggest paper in Israel, has authored numerous op-eds laying the blame for this at Netanyahu’s feet for antagonizing and annexing Palestinians so viscously. The discourse within Israel is nothing like it is in the west, because their writers aren’t afraid of being called anti-Semitic.
These guys don’t have a clue what they’re talking about, nor do they seem capable of engaging in any academic or critical thinking. Take off your dunce hat and put on your thinking cap. Go read the writings of Israelis who are against these cruel actions and you will get an educated perspective instead of listening to these guys regurgitate hasbara at you. Read what Yeshayahu Leibowitz wrote about Israel being on the brink of becoming a state of “Judeo-Nazis.” Remember what happened in the wake of 9/11 when America made the same mistakes. Learn, do your homework. Don’t rely on talking heads with podcasts to deliver you an answer. These are not serious people, and it is a very serious topic.
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Hi Coleman,I usually really enjoy your content but i have to admit that this time it was quite boring to hear you and your guest constantly agree on all the classic mainstream talking points. I can just turn on th bbc if i want to hear such a one sided point of view .
@@alemarozz Glad to read this comment, not meaning to hurt Coleman's feelings (really), but it is reassuring to know that some Americans are willing or curious to hear about the other side of things.
@@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye This”no moral equivalence “ theory comes from Sam Harris that has always been anti muslin in his geopolitical views. And im very surprised to see Coleman adopting the same position. I suspect Coleman is scared of the shitstorm that would come if he would be more nuanced on this topic
@@alemarozz I don't know Coleman. I'll check other video.
Morality is irrelevent to sctart wth.
How do you read the situation?
Thank you both! And thank you Coleman for talking with Andrew about this difficult question.
He's been doing an awesome job, on his own, doing livestreams ever since the catastrophe last Saturday.
I'm so glad he got to talk about this with someone else - and I'm especially glad it was with you!
I feel comforted for the first time all week, hearing someone with a brain and a soul (both you and Andrew) articulate everything I've been thinking and feeling and condemn the lack of condemnation for the awful massacre last Saturday. Never thought I'd see the day people took up for terrorists to preserve their hate for jews.
The actual horror Coleman, is that people ARE NOT aghast! There are protests going on in this country, on college campuses with young people raising their fists chanting things like "They've got tanks, we've got hang gliders, glory to the resistance fighters!" This protest at George Mason University to name one, there are others around the country. There's seems to be a kind of cognitive dissonance happening. In France there was a similar situation, large crowds of people protesting in alliance with the attackers..The interesting thing is, back when 9/11 happened, the reverse hatred was happening, and Muslims in NY were afraid of being attacked, now it's the Jews....Humans are so fickle! It's pathetic.
No, it is tribal. They bathe in the narrative. To them it is normal.
Those chanting those stupid lyrics must be wokes. They live in a world of oppressors and oppressed and don't even see people.. The must also believe that the Hamas is good, as it is fighting for the oppressed ones.
In France the protests were likely members of the Far left led by their antisemitic idol Melanchon. I hate him. The Far-right is probably anti-semitic too but their enlightened thinker, is a Jew. or the Algerian, jobless, lost youth.
I don't like the word pathetic. Personally, I am more outraged by US conservatives who have no litmit in their exploitation of tragic events. They did it again, exploiting the massacres to attack Biden and joking about him at the same time.
Gaza health ministry: 2,750 Palestinians killed, 9,700 wounded in Israeli strikes on Gaza since Oct 7
Do you feel sad for them?
ruclips.net/video/MQ1TAOibLss/видео.htmlsi=gSxko3RbaPdAWR8b
I think you have a very narrow lens if what's jumping out at you is a vocal minority in support of terrorists.
@@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye ..Of course I do, and always have!! My sadness though will never educate the uneducated about the fact that radical groups like Isis and Hamas are the key reason the problem continues without pause or solution. It is absolutely necessary that we understand Islam and it's history and practices! Western nations take too simplistic a view, and have very little understanding of what the central drive of these radicals are, nor are we aware of their influence, power and control of the Palestinian communities at large. We lump them all into one basket "The Palestinians". We think it's just the Israelis subjugating, we need to take a much closer look. Please look into the books of, and listen to Ayaan Hirsi Ali to get clarity on the subject.
How refreshing to hear a real conversation rather than a yelling match where nobody hears each other. It’s so easy to jump on a bandwagon and just stay there on your “side” without being open to any discourse. Thank you for this conversation. ❤
I watched Andrew's second half of this conversation on his channel and discovered your channel Coleman. I am impressed by your thoughtful, considerate and informed manner for speaking about such an important and complex topic as the Palestinian-Israeli conflict which has been going on for decades. There is a lot of ignorance of the history of this conflict amongst people who drank the koolaide of the propaganda fed to them without question for decades about this conflict. I believe channels like yours and Andrew's serves a very important role right now, to calmly, respectfully and compassionately discuss this conflict with the true victims of this longstanding conflict at the centre - the innocent Palestinian and Israeli people. Israel has every right to defend itself from this heinous crime committed by the terrorists. I have always been a pacifist and detest all wars, but everyone has a right to defend themselves against evil brutalization and death and to protect their families. You raise a number of excellent points and questions about this latest attack on innocent people and families in Israel which was swift, brutally evil and shocking to the world. The fact that Hamas celebrated their evil deeds on innocent people by broadcasting their barbaric deeds to the innocent victims across social media I believe goes to the heart of their motivation to do what they did. Their attacks last Saturday on Shabbat in Israel while people were dancing is pure evil terrorism. There is no negotiating with evil terrorism. It is like a cancer that spreads. We were all assaulted with the horrific images of what Daesh did to their victims years ago and how quickly they spread their evil in the Middle East. This cannot happen again!
Spoken with true ignorance. Israel was formed by terrorists. Look it up. Haganah, Stern gang and the Irgun were all slaughtering Palestinians before Israel was even a state. They also killed British soldiers and other Jews. Look up the SS Patria attack. The Jewish Agency over saw these groups and eventually rolled them into the IDF once Israel was formed. Many who carried out these terrorist attacks were given positions in government. The people attacked by Hamas were settlers and soldiers. Settlers are stealing homes and land which is illegal under international law. They are not innocent. Israel has been attacking and pushing Palestinians farther and farther away since its creation then claiming to be a victim. It is the occupied people under international law who have every right to defend themselves by any means available. You all are being cucked.
POOR PALESTINIANS
I don’t even know what the children and the donkeys did to be killed?
1 Samuel 15:3
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
1 Samuel 18:27
27 David took his men with him and went out and killed two hundred Philistines and brought back their foreskins. They counted out the full number to the king so that David might become the king’s son-in-law. Then Saul gave him his daughter Michal in marriage.
Judges 15:4
4 So he went out and caught three hundred foxes and tied them tail to tail in pairs. He then fastened a torch to every pair of tails,
5 lit the torches and let the foxes loose in the standing grain of the Philistines. He burned up
the shocks and standing grain, together with the vineyards and olive.
Judges 15:15
Finding a fresh jawbone of a donkey, he grabbed it and struck down a thousand Philistines men.
16 Then Samson said,
“With a donkey’s jawbone
I have made donkeys of them. a
With a donkey’s jawbone
I have killed a thousand men.”
17 When he finished speaking, he threw away the jawbone; and the place was called Ramath Lehi. b
18 Because he was very thirsty, he cried out to the Lord, “You have given your servant this great victory.
1 Samuel 15:3
Now go, attack the Amalekites and totally destroy all that belongs to them. Do not spare them; put to death men and women, children and infants, cattle and sheep, camels and donkeys.’”
Numbers 31:17
So kill all the boys and all the women who have had intercourse with a man.
18 Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.
Numbers 31:31
So Moses and Eleazar the priest did as the Lord commanded Moses.
32 The plunder remaining from the spoils that the soldiers took was 675,000 sheep, 33 72,000 cattle, 34 61,000 donkeys 35 and 32,000 women who had never slept with a man.
EVEN GOD OF THE BIBLE WANTS SOME TOO
Numbers 31:40
16,000 people, of whom the tribute for the Lord was 32.
The part that you, along with the vast majority of other Westerners - including most who present their viewpoint as very fair, rational and careful - fail to include, is the fact that none of these groups would exist but for the actions of the American war machine & imperialism. Hamas, Daesh, Al-Qaeda - all of these are creations of the US State Dept and CIA. You can add the Ukrainian "ultra-nationalists" to that list now, too.
The US war empire creates these groups to destabilise & discredit their adversaries. Sadly, the vast majority of Americans are too inured by the brainwashing, and utterly incapable of perceiving the truth of these sorry affairs.
I watched a few videos last night of former IDF soldiers, and they said they were the terrorists in Israel. Terrorising people breeds terrorism
But the civilians!
If you start shooting from your home into my home across the street and I shoot back and one of your kids or wife gets killed, who's fault is it that a kid was killed.?
That's the logic of the people we are listening too in some media outlets.They want the person shooting back to be the one accountable.
Coleman, I’m so happy to have discovered you. Excellent
Thank you so much for this calm, logical conversation. There are so many heated arguments on this topic and distressing images, news updates, antagonistic attitudes, entrenched belief systems.. I'm so glad I stumbled on Andrew Gold's channel and yours. I have family in Israel, including a nephew on duty at the Gaza border. At the same time, I want to consider opposing views and remain empathetic to the suffering of those trapped in Gaza. Coleman's take really crystallized how I feel about the history and the current state of things.
10:44 “There is a huge moral difference between these two sides.”
Thank you for stating this obvious - albeit often overlooked - truth in such simple and clear terms. 🙏🏼
Explain this. How is the a huge moral difference between killing children and innocent civilians and TARGETING and CELEBRATING by Hamas….or the Israeli government targeting and celebrating them blowing up oh I don’t know hospitals with innocent kids and civilians. You think babies have their heads intact when a bomb destroys the hospital they’re in?
Disgusting. If this is Israel’s 9-11 they should probably learn from the gross, disgusting acts of violence we did to innocent civilians. Have you people not learned anything
@@kimilsungthefirst6840 “disregard for civilian life”? Why? Because Israel dares to bomb Hamas strongholds in Gaza which happen to be embedded in civilian territory? How else do you expect a sovereign state to respond to such a vicious and barbaric attack on its civilians?
Let’s not pretend that any other Western country, including the US and all European countries, would act any differently. If you think that, you are a hypocrite.
@@kimilsungthefirst6840 It's not a universally recognized state and apart form that it's surrounded by countries that seek to destroy it once the cirumstances are favorable, so you also have to judge Israel's actions by that.
IDF will never use human shield.... the head quarter of idf is in the middle of the Central business district of tel Aviv. how is that not human shield. Why are civilians allowed to live so closely to the gaza border. Not just allowed infact they are encouraged to live there. There are state run add compaign. Why is that not considered putting civilian life in danger? Israeli Army media center is in a residential building. how is that not human shield?
This Human shield argument is absolutely 💩.
@@firstnamelastname6976 You're obviously getting paid by Hamas or some other Islamist regime to spread this kind of bullshit, so get the fuck out of here.
Hamas is purposely launching rockets from the vicinity of hospitals, schools or other critical civilian infrastructure and thereby intentionally putting their peoples' lifes in danger. That's what it means when people say that Hamas are using civilians as "human shields". The fact that IDF has its headquarters in the center of Tel Aviv has nothing to do with that and I believe everyone who's not actively spreading Hamas propaganda can see the difference.
So clear-headed and such an amazing communicator of ideas. It’s easy-well , easier-to communicate emotion, to rile people up. Being able to engagingly communicate ideas and reason is such a rare talent.
This is excellent and one of the most intelligent and evolved conversations I have come across regarding Israel 🇮🇱 and Palestine 🇵🇸 confict so far. Outstanding podcast. 👏
What a wise, lovely, respectful discussion between you two. How beautiful to see two people who might be adversaries discuss difficult issues together in openness & with a desire to promote caring. Bless you both ❤
This is a unique podcast. You've taken a difficult subject and given it a Palestinian /Israeli perspective - respecting both sides, helps to connect rather than divide, helps to educate without preachiness, helps for all of us to stand up, reach out and accept each others differences. You and Andrew Gold should continue exploring deeper. You are both GOLD.
I’m curious. Hamas was voted in in 2005. Their charter, which explicitly states (Article 13): “There is no solution to the Palestinian question except through jihad.” I assume gazans were familiar with this, yet still voted for Hamas. 🤔The rest of this charter is equally disturbing. And, once again, thank you, Coleman 🙏❣️
Last election in Gaza held in 2006 with Hamas being the only option.
(How democratic that was).
50% of Gazans are under 18, and 75% were unborn/too young to have voted.
But sure, let’s keep holding innocent people responsible for a charter written on a piece of paper before they are even born.
I am sure they were but do you think for one second those animals would hesitate to kill other in Palestinian’s if they did not vote them into power??
@@hustle3011 I am not sure I understand your point. However, I reject the argument of moral relativism.
Killing innocent civilians intentionally or as collateral damage in name of "self-defense" is equally disgusting, barbaric, and criminal. No exceptions. Israel has been doing this for decades and getting away with it. I know it is hard to accept this, but that is the truth. So far Israel is collectively punishing 2.2 million people half of which are children. Feel free to find a way to justify Israel's actions. Personally, I can't, for either side. I don't accept this happening to any child WHATSOEVER regardless of who their ancestors voted/didn't vote for.
@@taroskib There are more than two million Palestinian Israelis who have equality under the law and lead much better lives than those in the West Bank and Gaza. What happened a week ago showed perfectly why Israel can never trust what is known as the 'outside Palestinians' and if they do not keep them on a tight leash they face certain genocide.
@@taroskibwhy doesn’t Hamas keep their military headquarters in a, you know, military base? Why do they shoot their rockets from behind apartment buildings and schools? Because they use their own civilians and human shields. They don’t give a flying f about their own people
22 Arab countries and the 700,000 original arabs who left in '48 could not find refuge, anywhere? I heard a Palestinian woman activist say how awful Palestinians are treated who did make it into one of these other 22 Arab countries. For whatever reason they are not able to become citizens, etc
The Arab countries are using Palestinian Arabs as pawns in their games against Israel.
If you review history, Jordan is the home of these Arabs.
The name "Palestinians" always referred to Jews before the 1960s, and they took on the PR war to rebrand themselves as Palestinians so linked themselves to the land. Romans renamed the land to philistine after a Jewish revolt.
Jordan took in Palestinian refugees and for their kindness, Jordan was repaid by the Palestinians attempting to overthrow their king. Jordan was then forced to expel them. Egypt shares a border with Gaza, and they too took in Palestinians. The Palestinians then attempted to launch rockets at Israel from within the Egyptian border, almost causing Egypt to get pulled into a war with Israel. This is why Egypt has closed their border to the Palestinians and refuses to allow refugees in again. The majority of Palestine voted for Hamas which is a barbaric terrorist organization. They elected them. Nobody wants the Palestinians for good reason
They have fomented insurrection wherever they go. They are hated by most Arab countries because of this.
For the anti-Zionist perspective, please have on Norman Finkelstein, Max Blumenthal, Abdullah Al-Andalusi, or Keith Woods.
Coleman you are a breath of fresh air. Thankful for your perspectives on so many of the issues we face in modern times.
I love that this is a well reasoned, measured and balanced presentation from someone so young. Gives me faith for the future. Thank you - subscribed.
Exactly!
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Through this conflict I took it upon myself to do the research and listen to all opinions on the matter. I found your channel and I appreciate the thoroughness you maintain during your conversation on this topic and others. Refreshing to hear someone try to give a unbiased perspective whilst informing people on the biased rhetoric that people on both sides might be using.
TL;DR, thanks for the great vids
Thankful for a thoughtful and reasoned discussion. The entire situation is just so dismally and depressingly familiar.
New sub from South Africa 🇿🇦
Love how reasoned, rational, measured, logical, yet humane you are
Thank you 🙏🤗
Thank you so much for being a voice of reason Coleman, and when listening to you it's so clear that it comes first and formost from true knowledge about the ongoing situation, and not falling to propaganda and slogans. So well thought of, so clear of thought, so much truth. A heartfelt thank you for being you.
Are you an American?
Nope. Israeli, so I know exactly what's been going on with this conflict for so long, and what both sides hope to accomplish...@@ThreetwoOne-wu7ye
I honestly enjoyed your discussion. Informative and there is no shouting above each other and also anger. It’s rare these days.
Coleman!!!
please note:
At 1917 when the British were given the Mandat over the Middle East they officially called the holy land "Palestine" (since the name was given for the first time around 135 C.E.)
The 1947 partition plan was to split Palestine between Arabs and Jews.
By the end of the war (1949) Palestine was indeed split: one part became Israel the other part was taken by Jordan.
The Arabs that stay under both sides refuse to recognize both Israel and Jordan as their new home and they just continue to use the old name of the place. They declined the sovereignty of Israel and Jordan. 😢
Coleman: would be so interested to learn how the Left became so enamored of this cause on the Hamas side - when Hamas would absolutely not support anything the US Left supports (other than their cause). How did this come about?
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It's a bunch of white guilt post colonial nonsense. All history is being reinvisioned now. I e. 1619 project on the FRONT of the NYTs
The Left is notoriously ahistorical and acontextual in nearly all of their beliefs. They almost never make the effort to understand world events with any kind of context other than the immediate, because oftentimes the immediate context appears to strengthen or align with their overall narrative. So in this case they align with Hamas because the superficial context is that Hamas are some sort of freedom fighters, if you ignore literally all of the history of the region.
@@RunesandReapers lol it's funny cause it's sad cause it's true
Leftists have a thing for "the underdog" which invariably sees them excuse any atrocity commited by this so-called underdog.
Also: the left hates Jews as much as the nazis did. It's then incredibly ironic to see how much the left loves to wield the accusation of nazi against anyone they don't like.
You Coleman are honestly the first and by now only person that makes sense. Keep it up, you have another fan in me.
A very enlightening conversation! Tqvm mr coleman for your logical but truthful analysis of the conflict. It takes much moral clarity and courage to stand for the truth. Looking forward to the 2nd part
Thank you for walking through this calmly and rationally, having gone through the history.
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You've got yourself one more dedicated viewer. Such intelligent clear clarification.Thanks both.
I’m glad I stumbled across your Ted talk Coleman. You have wisdom beyond your years. Thoroughly enjoy listening to your well thought out positions. Thank you for what you do. Keep it up!
I came across your podcast after listening to Andrews 2nd half of the interview. I'm now a subscriber and look forward to listening to your content. ❤
Why does the world not pressure Egypt to end its part of the blockade, to rescue their Arab brothers, this community and offer them a new home in their very large country?
Once Egypt opens the border many Hamas members will flee to its territory together with innocent civilians, and this could be an existential threat to the regime.
Israel keeps attacking the raffah crossing between Egypt and Palestine. The gates are open. Israel told Gazan’s to evacuate to the south and now are attacking on the way.
Because the arabs never do anything humanitarian, why else did europe have to take in all the syrian refugees?
That’s what I want to know
1) Pressure by doing what? Also, 2) more countries throwing their hats into the ring would be an invitation to Iran.
Coleman, I learned so much from you today - thank you both.
You have been indoctrinated not educated learn the difference.
Love your conversations, so glad I found this podcast. Truth will prevail.
Thank you for this Coleman. Your clarity of thought and calmness is much appreciated during these dark times.
Hi Coleman; over from Andrew’s channel. Liked and subbed. Andrew is one of the kindest and most balanced journalists I have seen. I intend to reach out to him on another subject related to his upcoming book but it can wait for now because of this awful situation. I look forward to searching your channel and thank you for the conversation s tonight
Same here, I came over from Andrew’s channel. He’s one of the most thoughtful creators on RUclips and now I found another thoughtful creator.❤
I hope to see further collaborations between these thoughtful, intelligent RUclipsrs. *Applause & standing ovation to both of them*.
Very sane and welcome discussion, thank you.
Mr. Hughes, I am so glad I found you on Andrew Gold's podcast. You have the voice of sanity and I am proud that you and American. I plan to find and listen many of your other podcasts. A new fan.
Thank you, both, for this level, measured, analytical discussion. I appreciate the thoughtful tone and pace-and of course, the insights.
I was not familiar with either of you before today; this is a horrible situation but glad to have discovered such thoughtful commentators.
Well just know that you aer now biased
@@ThreetwoOne-wu7yeyou misspelled based.
you mispelled 'fake'.
Thank you Coleman. Lately social media has been so loud in support of Hamas, it's been spine chilling. It's nice to listen to a reasonable person break down the current situation with simple logic and facts.
No it's not lmao people are in support of Israel
But every western city is now infiltrated with islamists who are Hamas supporting Jew-haters.
"The Day of Judgement will not come about until Moslems fight the Jews (killing the Jews), when the Jew will hide behind stones and trees. The stones and trees will say O Moslems, O Abdulla, there is a Jew behind me, come and kill him. "
-Quoted from Hamas covenant 1988
There are chants of 'gas the jews' in Australia, rallies in new york with people holding up Nazi signs, stickers of paragliders. There has been a very large celebration of the attacks.
@@Sal3600except for those pesky rallies with thousands of people chanting 'gas the jews'. Nobody went out and chanted in support of Isis after 9/11 and yet, when Israel gets massacred, the barbaric terrorists are the 'good guys'
@@Sal3600 There's both and they're locked in their many echo chambers that enforce their tribalist beliefs
In jumping from 1948 to 2000 you left out huge chunks of history. From 1949 to 1967 the West Bank was occupied by Jordan, and the Gaza Strip was occupied by Egypt. Either or both countries could have simply withdrawn and granted autonomy to the Palestinians. Not only didn’t they do that, but there were no cries of “end our occupation!” from the Palestinians during those 19 years. In 1964 the Palestine Liberation Organization (PLO) formed. They did not want liberation of the West Bank from the Jordanians. They wanted to liberate the State of Israel from the Jews.
Oh you mean how the Zionists "liberated" the Palestinians from Jerusalem? You left out that little tidbit... 🤦🏻♂️
You're ignorant of history, why would they ask for "freedom" from states that were not abusing them like Israel is today. Governing in Palestine has never been easy, both countries were there for a reason, genius. Your false equivalence is preposterous.
Also go put a shirt on, it's nasty and embarassing
What are you talking about? The PLO also fought against Jordanian occupation initiated by King Hussein. The PLO also challenged Egyptian hegemony.Moreover, it was not Jordan who forced the mass exodus from West Jerusalem it was Israel, thus the different discourse concerning how the Palestinians view Israel who unlike Jordan did not universally extended citizenship to it's Arab population. To this day there was no just compensation for land seizures. If the Internet does one thing it grants you the opportunity to look things up before you type.
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@@shainazion4073 The premise of your initial point was whether or not the PLO has challenged Jordanian and Egyptian hegemony as opposed to just Israeli occupation. It has been pointed out that indeed they did. As to your retort, we can both agree that despite what the charter may have said, clearly the PLO has internal disagreement as attacks on Jordan would indicate. Again it was not Jordan who created the British Mandate and
to suggest that anti semitism is why revolt is happening in Gaza is simply ahistorical in as much as it is not the sole reason as you are insinuating.
Thank you for this, Coleman. This conversation and your calm and reasoned convictions here are very needed at this time.
I really appreciate this channel and your interviews and guests
I enjoyed very much your conversation with Andrew. It is so rare nowadays to hear any critical thinking. 👍
Critical? I'm only hearing one side in this conversation.
Hamas talks out both sides its mouth. In once sentence they just want freedom and opportunity. In the next sentence they don't believe Israel has the right to exist. Very good conversation.
Thank you for having this conversation
I came here from the Andrew Gold's channel. New fan and subscriber! Great conversation between two rational and intelligent men.
Have discovered your channel through through following Andrew, just subscribed and looking forward to watching more
Thank you for this conversation. You are an example to some prominent Jewish podcasters in your thinking and the manner in which you're expressing those thoughts. So much for lineage bullshit. You're not in my direct lineage but you're much closer to me than some other people who are a part of it.
Excellent, thoughtful and compassionate commentary Coleman ❤
Thank you Coleman and Andrew for this conversation.
thanks and Shalom from Israel.
Also where are all these videos of atrocities? Who has a links? I keep hearing about the carnage but can't find videos
Would like to see the evidence too. So we can know what is propaganda and what is the truth.
This. There are endless assertions of wrongdoing by both sides, with only scarce direct witness accounts, photographs, or video.
I respect Coleman, but for me this conversation is downstream of assertions of facts I have not been able to substantiate.
There's a lot of Israeli fake news. Coleman is a propagandist.
Sidenote that's a genius tactic to boost both channels by splitting it in half on separate podcasts
I am trying to educate myself on this from every side and I think you have done a wonderful job explaining this all to me. I felt it was my responsibility to understand the situation. Thank you.
The intro to this conversation is an Optimus Prime example of why you are one of the people I pay attention to during this tumultuous time 👍
I’ve always appreciated your thoughts on difficult topics Coleman. Please do have a guest with an alternate view on your show so we can all learn and understand more fully what is happening on the world stage.
Very thoughtful and thought provoking conversation. Respect.
I've watched years of legal, religious,military history and philosophy.
This guys a MORON!
He knows so little, it should be Embarrassing
Coleman, I am a new subscriber to your Chanel because of this conversation. It is so wonderful to hear an Afro American who has obviously done a lot of research on this topic and can understand the nuances of this very difficult situation. I am so disturbed with so many Americans who are so ignorant about the history and realities of the Middle East and are so quick to jump on the bandwagon of popular thought, reinterpreting what Apartheid means. When there are over a billion Arabs who identify as Antisemitic, per a survey done in 2018, let alone the antisemitic white supremists and others in the world, it is daunting for Jews to get world support. That is why the Jewish homeland is so critical. Very sad that even some American Jews don’t understand this and are also ignorant about their own history.
They are anti Isreali and not anti sematic a distinction you won't make because it doesn't support the argument you are trying to make.
That survey was done after Isreal IDF killed so many civilians in blanket bombing of Gaza just like this week.
@walan31 I get so fed up with the narrative on many of these videos. Last night I watched a few videos of former IDF, they speak out about their time in the army and how they saw themselves as terrorists.
Even before the Balfour declaration communications from Zionists clearly showed that the project of a Jewish home land intended colonisation and no Arab consent, they were to be an eye in the Middle East, spying for the West . If you live in terror your create terrorists. Britian and the rest of the West created terrorists through political interference, colonisation and invasion. At the time of the farcical British protectorate the British government called Jews terrorists along with the Arab population. The British made sure Arabs were stripped of any weaponsandd secretly armed the Jewish people who were smuggled into Palestine. They fully facilitated the Nakba. If you oppress people, steal their land, murder them, deny them human rights and treat them with humiliation day on day, those people will either be apathetic or fight back with any means at their disposal
I can speak from personal experience the Israelis are very adept at hiding behind their religion to commit atrocities. I live near two massive orthodox and hasidic enclaves in the NY/NJ area and they are not only separatists, but they have zero morals when it comes to outsiders. They have been slowly taking over a huge part of Central jersey by shady land deals, outright theft, arson, bribery, any shady thing necessary to get their way. They get into the town governments and start siphoning off money to their "community " that is supposed to be for the general public, they avoid paying taxes like it's ebola, and they are generally shitty people. You can't criticize their actions without being called an anti-semite, and they are a cancer to the community at large. They are adept at lawfare and will pool together as a group to push out outsiders before they go back to screwing each other over, which has destroyed many nice local towns that were once diverse and successful, which now pretty much look as shitty as Israel. I was brought up treating people as individuals and don't judge people on their outgroup, but this particular culture makes that sentiment impossible. If they had the chance they would erect walls and borders here to isolate their communities bc like I said, they're separatists and refuse to assimilate. They consider themselves the "chosen people ", and treat others as inferior. They're especially exploitative of the Hispanic community, through high rents for illegal immigrants and low wages for the same people when they do work for the orthodox. They also cut down all the trees in the town center to remove any relief the homeless population could get from the sun. I'm sorry, they're only good to each other, and just barely. These behaviors seem endemic to the religion and not dictated by geography. I'm not trying to be mean, I'm just stating my observations
@@walan31Your thinly veiled distinction is obvious and incorrect. Anti-Isreal and anti-Semitic are the same thing.
@@Aaron-kq7rdIt’s funny you say that because ones of the definitions of being anti-Semitic is conflating being Jewish with support for the state of Israel. They’re not at all the same. Congrats on showing your true colors bud.
Thank you thank you❤❤
This conversation makes me feel that there are some sane people left in this word ❤❤
I greatly enjoyed this podcast, even if I'm not sure I entirely agree with the views you expressed (mostly because I still feel like I don't know enough about the issue). One note, though. You understanbly said that Israel needs to retaliate, and to retaliate in such a way that would make another attack like this inconceivable. At the same time, you correctly noted how Hamas could have not only expected the retaliation but counted on it to further isolate Israel. I feel this is a conundrum worth of some further analysis and I regret you didn't dig deeper into it.
Also, I'd like to say that I feel the one thing truly lacking from the overall discussion about this events are Palestinian voices testifying about the conditions on the ground. Not because I think said conditions could justify what happened (nothing can), but because we can't claim we've investigated this issue unless we listen to both sides of the story. I know quite a few Palestinian refugees (not activists or terrorists, just regular people) and I don't see their experiences, which I have no reason to doubt, represented anywhere in the "podcast space."
Regardless, thank you for your honest attempt to dig into such a delicate topic.
As you said you need to learn more about the issue. Gaza doesn't want to be left alone, they want all of Israel & want all Jews (& all non Muslims dead). Those that can tolerate others either are having to hide & stay quiet so Hamas won't kill them or they simple agree with Hamas. Gaza has turned down a 2 state solution multiple times. Israel has been dissociated from Gaza since 2005 but still provides a decent amount of free water and electricity. Hamas has done nothing to make the area self sustainable because that is not their goal. No other Arab Muslim countries want the refugees because the likelihood of Hamas or Hamas supporters being among them is HIGH. Ultimately Hamas & its supporters are the people that caused this. Hamas is the current name, but organizations & Islamist government groups existed & attacked Jews for centuries - the displacement after WW2 didn't cause this hatred (because what other alternative sadly did the world have when Jews clearly needed a specific homeland to gather & heal? They were sent to the place most Jewish! Israel!)
any conditions in Gaza (which has poor who are super-poor and rich who are super-rich, so it’s not exactly how it’s presented in the news. they never show you the elite quarters and the luxury of it) sre due to Hamas. the onus for any suffering of Gazans is on Hamas. period.
with Hamas the reasons and goals aren’t murky. their genocidal intentions against Jews and Israel are in their charter.
it’s not a land dispute. not freedom fighting. they are Nazis. always been. and that’s the reason for everything they have.
Repeating talking points!Mr Hughes doesn't have the depth of experience or knowledge to present a nuanced conversation on this long standing issue.Just my opinion. Mother Grandmother lived in 3 continents and of a certain age.
I say this with respect knowing he needs to travel more to harness a more substantial world view of history to bring to the table. Still found value in the conversation.
Totally agree, he is completely out of his depth. You can hear the talking points verbatim from right wing media.
Talking points can = his own research and opinions which he’s allowed to have. So the only people able to discuss issues are people who have lived it? He’s supposed to go join the IDF or hamas and THEN talk? You sound like someone from the left who just wants to shut down/criticize conversation that is different from your own.
Of course you found value bc all conversations are valuable! He doesn’t need to travel to know bc even opinions from the outside looking in are still valuable. Maybe critical bc those intimately involved in the conflict can’t figure out a way for peace.
I really needed to hear this. I feel calm trust in Coleman's explanations.
The most rational and informative discussion I heard. Thank you
wow. thank you for that clarity, amazing podcast and episode
This is such a complex and ancient conflict that has so so many layers going back to biblical times. Thank you for covering this with such nuance.
This has nothing to do with biblical times. The Palestinians are not Philistines. The Philistines were Sea Peoples from Crete, Greece, the Palestinians are Arab Levantines. The Palestinians are a created Arab people made up in 1964 as a psy-ops of the KGB and PLO.
It's not. It's simple. European powers namely UK and France needed support during WWI from European Jews so they told them do us this favour and we will ship you to your promised land and signed Belfore declaration outlining this promise. Britain and France double crossed Arabs and promised them independence if they supported them in WWI against turks and then colonised them. Europe lead by UK and France felt that the Arab Muslim allies they dispised and often describe as " barbaric savages" are to rebellious to be left alone unchecked and carried ahead with shipping off European jews who didn't feel safe in Europe after WWII as anti sematism was an on going issue 100 years begore Nazi raised. UK thought great let's us in EU support unloading our Jews and make them someone else problem by building Jewish settlement in Palestine. They formed Jewish European miltant to start a war of siezing by extreme violence Palestinian lands and homes.... But start the war only when the UK leaves, so UK can say it wasn't me.
This conflict is about colonial powers holding to as much power against others they view as less than by any means necessary
@@walan31very biased one sided story. If you really researched the subject, you’d find out there were Jewish people in this land long before British mandate and Ottoman Empire. The ones who came from Europe were refugees from ww2. And what you forgot to mention, there were a lot of refugees from muslim countries in Middle East and North Africa
@@not4you___nold J. Toynbee who, before becoming recognized as an eminent world historian had dealt directly with the Palestine Mandate in the British Foreign Office, wrote in 1968:
“All through those 30 years, Britain (admitted) into Palestine, year by year, a quota of Jewish immigrants that varied according to the strength of the respective pressures of the Arabs and Jews at the time. These immigrants could not have come in if they had not been shielded by a British chevaux-de-frise. If Palestine had remained under Ottoman Turkish rule, or if it had become an independent Arab state in 1918, Jewish immigrants would never have been admitted into Palestine in large enough numbers to enable them to overwhelm the Palestinian Arabs in this Arab people’s own country. The reason why the State of Israel exists today and why today 1,500,000 Palestinian Arabs are refugees is that, for 30 years, Jewish immigration was imposed on the Palestinian Arabs by British military power until the immigrants were sufficiently numerous and sufficiently well-armed to be able to fend for themselves with tanks and planes of their own. The tragedy in Palestine is not just a local one; it is a tragedy for the world, because it is an injustice that is a menace to the world’s peace.” 147
One thing I don't really understand about Hamas is that that if they have been the government of Gaza for 15 years, then who is the mayor of Gaza, or the top local official who runs the city, and why do we not hear his name?
Its a militant theocracy, and not a democracy. Hence no mayor.
And it’s leader kicks his feet up and counts his cash in Qatar.
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Thank you , Andrew and Coleman. Coleman, you are a wonderful, informed, compassionate, intelligent man.
Coleman - I’m so glad this video was suggested to me by the YT algorithm. Your voice is so soothing - both in tone and content.
Coleman, your analysis shows your deep understanding of the complexity of the situation. That can not be taken for granted since most Westerners who refer to themselves as experts acutely miss many parts of the puzzle and can't offer true insights like you just did. You're a brilliant young man. Thank you❤
What is missing in the discussion is the fact that a new country was created not in the void but in the land where people were already living for generations. There was no official voting to determine the opinion of the majority whether they would agree to partition their land which would create a new state. Things were kind of imposed then on the locals and they couldn’t do anything to oppose the decision of the UN.
@Munulys Exactly, they conveniently skip that part. There were people living in the land for centuries. Then the "european jews" (zionists) mass migrated to the land because if the nazis, with the claim that their God promised them the land 10,000 years ago?!..then Nakba happened, and continues to happen until this day.
Yes. People should look up the Balfour Declaration and how Zionists came by batches there.
it was all part of the Ottoman empire, Jordan was also created at the same time.
"I want to discuss with somebody who strongly disagrees with me on this issue."
This is the reason I keep listening to you even--or especially--when I don't agree with you. Bravo.
They never disagreed. Lol? They literally keep agreeing.
He was referring to when Coleman said that in the future he would like to discuss this issue with someone who strongly disagrees. The future. Not this conversation. @@donaldcharles3331
@@donaldcharles3331yeah, I was waiting for the disagreement. A great discussion non the less
@@Baker68 This was a mediocre discussion that puppets the same narrative as all the corporate media. If you want to see a more balanced view, Jimmy Dore, Max Blumenthal, Norman Finkelstein, Scott Horton, Dave Smith, or Kim Iverson. 2 of these people are Jewish, 2 are Journalists that have been to Israel and Palestine, and 2 are Libertarian and Anti-War. Scott Horton is extremely well read on the Military and all conflicts for 100 years. You think 2 kids are having an honest debate but its absolutely not.
@@donaldcharles3331I was quoting his closing remark, in which he clarifies what he intends to do in the future.
Coleman, you’re brilliant. Your points on “apartheid” are simply amazing.
thank you Coleman for speeking out of knowlegde and bringing level headness to this madness. from me, here in Israel.
This was a very informative, logical, and calmly spoken view of this tragedy. Thank you for your work.
I’d like to also add, I found this video as a “recommended” link after watching your conversation with the Jewish author with the open view on both sides of this conflict from 11 months ago. It was also very helpful.
I have a niece who is Palestinian, born and raised in America but with family back in what I assume is the West Bank. Her American family visit once a year or so, so I always check in with her when I see the tensions rising and all the loud opinions on social media to make sure her family is ok.
I want to communicate and sympathize without adding to the one sided view of things that lead to these battles and I also don’t want to say it’s wrong without respecting the experiences that molded how they feel from their side of things. I’m having a hard time discussing this with my family on that side because my sister (her mother in law) wants to be supportive (as do I) but she is only informed of the conflict by stories told with a very biased view. I don’t mean biased in a bad way, just like I would love my son or brother if they did something awful, I may despise what he did, but love my blood and the life we had shared before. If that makes sense.
I know my niece and my sister to not have a hateful bone in their body; definitely not to hate someone for where they came, their religion, or the color of their skin; but when I hear things like “they are finally fighting back” or “the militants on both sides are rearing their ugly heads” makes my stomach hurt realizing that when people don’t take an honest look at both sides, the brutality will only grow.
Long rant, I’m sorry, I just really appreciate a clear discussion on this very complicated history.
If only clear heads could go back in time and help guide choices into a better direction than the one that brought us here.
Even tho I can't speak to your personal struggles & what you're going thru, I 100% agree with your point about going back in time to change the way they think. They don't live like us, think like us or deal with our politics or social ideologies. But, if we could somehow go back at, *Least,* 90yrs, we could try to take the hatred out of the ppl that came to hate a certain race & ideologies of others. What Hamas did is nothing short of barbaric, inhumane, disgusting atrocities. How they came to hate the Israeli ppl this much is beyond me. I've been doing a quite the amount of research so that I'm able to speak on this, instead of these uneducated, mindless, irrational ppl that are out there openly defending terrorists(ism) without having a clue of what's going on. They're so quick to pick a side that openly tells them that if they had their way, they themselves would do the same to them in a heartbeat. It's sad, terrifying & tremendous what this attack caused. I'm very sorry that you are caught in the middle of this & I hope you & your family can come to the truth & resolve any anguish it's caused. My apologies for the lengthy reply but there are ppl on both sides suffering, all bc one group decided to choose for the rest of their ppl what & how to think. Bless you, your family, & I pray that you find your peace & happiness once again. Take care Kristy. 🙏♥️✨️👋
@@Bring_Back_Stargate No, thank you for the lengthy reply! You have no idea how helpful it is for me to hear a voice like yours especially when I felt so insecure about expressing my feelings at all.
Thank you so much for taking the time! ❤️🥰❤️
Ps, I agree, they should bring back Stargate. I’d even take Atlantis if that’s all I could get! 😜
@Bring_Back_Stargate, they hate for a reason. A Palestinian woman can be held up at a check point on the way to the hospital to have a baby, she will give birth on the road then bleeds to death, that happens, the words of an American doctor who goes there to help women. Palestinian men are shot dead or have their legs shot at, leading to amputation for peaceful protest. A settler can kill with impunity. Hilltop Jews settle on any land and its declared theirs, they can steal any home or in one case I saw, the family living in a house a hilltop jew wanted was burnt alive in their home only a boy if 2 survived. That little boy was horrifically burnt. When the hilltop jew married, he held up a poster of that badly burnt little boy as he and the wedding guest celebrated. Those hamas fighters have lost wives, children, parents, siblings, extended family, homes, and agricultural land, had their olive groves burnt down by settlers, and they are penned into what is an open air prison.
Netanyahu communicated to the USA president that he would only allow enough food into Gaza to keep them from starving, as he put it he was putting them under a permanent diet. Isrsel has banned potato chips from going into Gaza. Now thats a very little thing, after all kids love potato chips, it's just another petty move for no reason. There are laws in Israel that if an Israeli person marries an Arab they aren't allowed to live with them. When you remove a person's human rights, when you oppress them, you create hatred.
Netanyahu announced only a few weeks ago that the West Bank was to be cleared of Palestinians. Those who refused to go would be legitimate targets to kill. I listened today to an interview from an Israeli woman who had been taken hostage by hamas, she, her friends, and another group of 12. They were frightened, but she said they treated them well. The IDF came and started shooting, and she said those that died were killed by the IDF. She survived because one of the hamas fighters gave himself up with her, that action saved her life. The interviewer tried his best to get her to condemn hamas, but she didn't. She condemned the IDF. There is a lot of false news about this situation and a lot of truth that isn't being shown. You wonder why hamas could do what they did. It was the consequence of years of oppression. I don't condone what Hamas did, but I can understand that if you're treated as less than a human, and see everything around you that you love dearly destroyed it hardens your heart
It was totally superficial and pointless
@@Kikilee123 No worries my dear. ♥️ Just take care of yourself & your family. Ty for sharing hun.🙏🥰
Also, we are in fact getting a continuation of SG. It will be a movie, followed by a series. Only problem? Brad Wright is not involved as of this very moment. Something we all want to happen!
Coleman... The Gaza strip is not part of Israel. It is a distinct geographical and political entity. It is one of two Palestinian territories.
Thank you, I hope people will listen to this information and understand better the situation
I like how you guys talk, very calm and reasoned and not boring or rote , a lot I hear other places just sounds like “talking points”.
Gabor Mate, Aaron Mate, Norman Finkelstein, Max Blumenthal, Katie Halper, Glenn Greenwald, Bri Joy Gray, just to name a few, could provide different perspectives. Your willingness to engage and stay curious is much appreciated.
That would expose how many false presuppositions he is operating on and it might be embarrassing. Notice how pro Israel he is and how he has only had a pro Israel quest on. Turns out he doesn't understand nuance is subtle differences and you can't really get differences when you are a mouth piece with hasbara talking points.
@@analienable1398 The people mentioned above are obviously mostly biased, Marxist inspired activists; imbalanced leftists viewing the entire world through their colonially coloured narratives; anachronistically blinded by ideology; crusaders with a monomaniacal conceptual/ideological parasitism; infected with Israel.
Those who haven't watched Coleman's interview with Israeli historian Benny Morris, I can highly recommend it for more historical background of the conflict.
Thank you Coleman. Your podcast has been enlightening, educational, clear with a logical sequence of questions. Thanks do much. Keep up the good work. Respect nrother.
Thanks to you and Andrew Gold for these conversations. I am an American Jew who finds myself yearning to hear all sides of this issue.
It doesn’t matter that Hamas and the IDF aren’t the same. Both are committing war crimes and human rights violations, and both need to be held accountable by the international community for this to end.
Only a deaf & blind person would agree with you.
But you need not look further than the Hamas & IJ videos showed, then the clear violation of hostage taking, using schools and hospitals for military planning, stealing food and shelter from Gaza citizens and using them as literal human shields.
But name one way Israel has violated international law. You can’t and that is what disturbs you the most.
What is the aim of each side vis-a-vis civilians? This is the only salient question for me. Everything else flows from there.
When a 'civilian' allows terrorists to store weapons in their homes or use them to launch rockets or abuse their children as human shields, they are no longer 'civilians'; they are then military personnel and must be treated as such.
I mean, it's pretty obvious. Hamas wants every Jew dead; from baby to grandparent. The Israelis want every terrorist dead and would prefer zero civilian casualties.
@@ryleighloughty3307You are justifying the murder of children - you are evil and will burn in eternal hellfire .
You don’t have to support the murder of children .
Great analysis; one of the best I’ve heard so far.
Thank you for your calm, patient, rational, reflective, and insightful discussion . Very enlightening and deep! Thank you!
Would love to hear you discuss this with Kim Iversen
Very balanced analysis.
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I watched you from Andrew Gold’s channel and subscribed to yours from there. Very fascinating interview. Thank you!
I looked for pt 2 on Andrew Gold’s channel and could not find it.
The history tells me to side with Israel. My gut tells me to side wity Israel. This recent violence affirms this. I feel for the suffering of palestinians...
Thank you for speaking about the underlying religious fervor that drives this conflict
So well explained. You have defined every aspect of the political situation in the Middle East - more people should see this!
Hola from South Afrika 🇿🇦... where we lived under APARTHEID for over 40 yrs . A policy of " Separate Development " . Needless to say - it led to an armed Struggle of unnecessary deaths on both sides - as the True Natives of this land ,were cruelly oppressed & suppressed by us Whites . I'm Sooo o glad I've discovered this channel . thank U Coleman - salute to your knowledge & insight into this complicated issue .God bless
Remember kids, resentment can last for centuries if properly nurtured. The Palestinian educational system makes SEL look like Sunday school.
They keep saying Arabs are primitive. But their wars and their occupations kicked Arabs back to the Middle Ages. How do you expect people who are oppressed and tortured and killed and raped to act with the same sophisticated level of moral thinking as a person sitting in peace on a couch all day. Westerners and their Moral superiority complex 🤦🏻♂️
I never really knew anything about this conflict except that one built a defensive missile system while the other fires missiles from within civilian areas
Glad to see someone who's actually trust worthy and unbiased on the issue providing some insight into it!
You don't know that one is a colonizer looking for any excuse to do ethnic cleansing?
@@rollette1 you're the one doing whataboutism, the problem with saying "oh everyone have done that" fail to mention that most civilized societies haven't done it in the last 100-200 years. And what did we do with the Nazi regime? They were executed. I think Cole has the correct approach but seems to lack when it comes to power dynamics, he stated that they "might even have killed a larger number" which show a neglect of facts. Yeah, Israel have killed 10 times as many Palestinians. Before the recent violence, Israel had killed more Palestinian children than the sum total of Israeli killed by Palestine. It's important that we remember that Israel have been hiding behind US vetos, striking down resolutions that sought to resolve the conflict with nonviolent means.
@@rollette1 I don't see how t.a5975 does whataboutism, he brings a valid counterpoint to captaindropkik's point of view on the conflict. One builds defenses against missiles sent by the other, but the former is a colonial nation importing en masse foreign populations and stealing lands from the natives for 70 years. I condone the massacre of civilians, any kind of terrorism is unacceptable, but the conflict did not start a week ago. At this point, when you look at their history, both Israel and Palestine are, in some ways or others, terrorist states.
I don't understand the rest of your comment. You bring religious ran countries, but also nationalism ? So what's your point about ethnic cleansing ? Is it a religious thing, or something pretty much any kind of society can end up doing ? Also your conclusion is very weird, and paradoxically sounds like a "what about women rights ?" thing. Could you please elaborate ?
@@rosewhite6406 Israel is the colonizer. Obviously
@@mythicdawn9574Please explain where the Empire is for Israel as a colony? Or if Israel is the Empire, where is their colony? The West Bank has its own government, as Gaza does. They have their own laws, taxes, police, schools, etc.
Just discovered you from Andrew’s channel. You guys are great together. ❤🇨🇦
Coleman. Great analysis. Impressive since this was not a subject you were so knowledgeable about yet articulate the situation with incredible depth and logical analysis. You acknowledge you are still learning more. There's much to get ones head around. However your approach to this complex situation bodes well for your approach to other subjects. (I've watched all your recent videos on this subject). And this builds trust in you as a commentator. Joe Rogan has some competition:-) Keep up the good work. You have my admiration.