Watched a number of your videos and really enjoy and appreciate your analysis and teaching technique. I’m a DUPR 4.1 so playing basically the same level as you and find you have a lot to teach me. That said I think there are some important points on this video that should be addressed. The first is looking at the reach and paddle angle. While the longer sinks can be taken out of the air look at the angle you will be hitting at, it’s an upward motion. While taking it out of the air will shorten your reaction time, they should not be aggressive and any speed up is going high to either put away or go out. Just be ready to counter and you have the advantage. But the biggest issue is pressure, both physical and mental. Short dinks in the middle of the kitchen are easy for the opponent to deal with. They don’t have to move and they know they are taking off the bounce so no pressure either mental or physical. They can prepare for a setup speed up planning for a pop up. Aiming into the pressure zone forces the opponent to first have to make a decision to take out of the air (with upward angle) or step back to take off bounce so mental pressure to make decision. Then the physical pressure of either leaning in and down or stepping back. Both are potential sources of error. The goal of the dink is to setup an opponent error and pressure is the best way to do that. My 2 cents but appreciate what you do.
I definitely like how you specified how advice in pickleball is so situational. Whenever someone asks a vague question. About what to do, I always tell them that everything is dependent on context. What shot did I hit, where are the opponents, what shot does the opponent respond with, where’s my partner. All of these are questions one must ask themselves when hitting a shot. I agree too that I rather someone attack off the bounce. Many times people will completely give away when they attack off the bounce and it’ll naturally take longer. All giving me time in preparation for their shot
@@superdupr.pickleball exactly. I’ve been playing about 8 months but got to close to a 4.0, but in all sports I play I strive to be the smartest. Knowing the strategy of the game will be what takes me the higher levels. At that point everyone can play
@@joshc.6706 good luck my friend on your pickleball journey, thanks for watching this video, I will continue to share my own personal experience and analysis on how to improve my games on this channel, hopefully others can benefit from that.
very good video and thank you so much for sharing your analysis, in badminton , its part of the net play strategy , I think a lot can be borrowed from there.
Thank you for the kind feedback, I’m glad that you found this helpful! Definitely take a look at the other videos on this channel, I try to focus on this type of in-depth analysis here!
In your first example, the 1st dink is definitely a better dink than the 2nd. 2nd shot is a dead dink and allows the other team to easily take the offense. If the opponents attack the 1st ball you have an easy counter from up high.
I agree, unless you have very good control and can place your volley very deep into the court with a good angle . most stretched volleys land in mid court with little power , those are useless.
I like the concept but I think it's a little flawed in your premise of marking the maximum reach as an 'attackable ball' Look at how your dummy is postured and the paddle position, this is more an indicator of a simple volley dink from a low position. I think it'd be more useful to dummy-demo and analyse some actual effective roll volley attacks to get a better sense of wherean attackable contact would be from.
@@superdupr.pickleball No probs - Great initiative - I think more in depth analysis of ball paths and strategy is really needed, so good work on exploring that... I think your notes on attention where the peak of the arc is is really useful for people.
I agree, I believe the conclusion about effective dinks is premature. The goal of pickleball at a high level isn't to make everything un-volleyable. It's to force your opponent into situations where every option presented to them isn't ideal. Therefore, "unattackable." There are two types of dinks: lift dinks and push dinks. 1) Lift dinks are defensive shots landing roughly in the front half of the kitchen. These are made to reset off of an opponent's push dink, or when you are out of position. These are the type of shots being described in this video: arc on your side, little spin, defensive. 2) Push dinks are aggressive shots typically made with topspin, landing low in the second half of the kitchen, or sometimes a foot behind the kitchen if your opponent is out of position. These shots entice opponents to speed up the ball from below the net, or force them to take a step back to reset into a lift dink of their own. Push dinks should be the priority as it gives your opponent a bad choice: 1) Speed-up below the net? That loses the game at a high level. 2) Try to push dink yourself? Well, it's landing at your feet, so you need to take a step back to return it in front of your body. It's also difficult to put pace or spin on an aggressive push dink, so these often end up as "dead dinks." 3) Lift dink? Well, your opponent will likely have a slight advantage, as it's easy to put spin and pace off of a lift dink. But off of a solid push dink, it's typically the best response. Therefore the conclusion I've heard mentioned from various pros is: The pattern is whoever has an aggressive position at the kitchen will use a push dink, followed by a pattern of: lift - push - lift - push - lift, all the way until someone makes a mistake or gets impatient. The most aggressive push dinks tend to be used in cross-court rallies and middle-court volley dinks. Push dinks should only rarely be used to the person directly down-the-line as a surprise tactic, as there is significantly less space for the ball to decline below the net. Really, the biggest thing this video shows is why you shouldn't do dinks down-the-line, directly to your opponent's body. There is too little time for the ball to fall below the net. They should be placed to the sides of their body, where it is more difficult to get an aggressive volley off. If the opponent moves to catch your dink out of the air, you've already gained a significant advantage by moving your opponent around at the kitchen. I invite you to watch the top pros, and see where their dinks land exactly. Watching Johns/Johns vs Ge/Martinez 3 months ago, almost all of their dinks land extremely deep, often even past the kitchen line.
@@Tekel408 thanks for haring your thoughts, there's a time and place for everything. I agree with you that playing at a high level, dinks is not just about being safe, the pros make their dinks deep to be offensive, they are able to do so because they have already mastered the defensive aspect of dinks and are able to consistently hit safe dinks and the ability to defend fast attacks, engage in hands battles. unfortunately, vast majority of the players are not at that level, I think focussing on getting good at the the fundamentals of dinks is a good starting point for a lot of us.
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Watched a number of your videos and really enjoy and appreciate your analysis and teaching technique. I’m a DUPR 4.1 so playing basically the same level as you and find you have a lot to teach me.
That said I think there are some important points on this video that should be addressed. The first is looking at the reach and paddle angle. While the longer sinks can be taken out of the air look at the angle you will be hitting at, it’s an upward motion. While taking it out of the air will shorten your reaction time, they should not be aggressive and any speed up is going high to either put away or go out. Just be ready to counter and you have the advantage.
But the biggest issue is pressure, both physical and mental. Short dinks in the middle of the kitchen are easy for the opponent to deal with. They don’t have to move and they know they are taking off the bounce so no pressure either mental or physical. They can prepare for a setup speed up planning for a pop up.
Aiming into the pressure zone forces the opponent to first have to make a decision to take out of the air (with upward angle) or step back to take off bounce so mental pressure to make decision. Then the physical pressure of either leaning in and down or stepping back. Both are potential sources of error.
The goal of the dink is to setup an opponent error and pressure is the best way to do that. My 2 cents but appreciate what you do.
love your videos! Especially how you slow motion the shots by highlighting exactly where to watch.
Thank you for the feedback and I really appreciate it!
I definitely like how you specified how advice in pickleball is so situational. Whenever someone asks a vague question. About what to do, I always tell them that everything is dependent on context. What shot did I hit, where are the opponents, what shot does the opponent respond with, where’s my partner. All of these are questions one must ask themselves when hitting a shot.
I agree too that I rather someone attack off the bounce. Many times people will completely give away when they attack off the bounce and it’ll naturally take longer. All giving me time in preparation for their shot
Completely agree, sometimes the generic advice can even cause confusion for the newer players, who may not have a good grasp of the game yet!
@@superdupr.pickleball exactly. I’ve been playing about 8 months but got to close to a 4.0, but in all sports I play I strive to be the smartest. Knowing the strategy of the game will be what takes me the higher levels. At that point everyone can play
@@joshc.6706 good luck my friend on your pickleball journey, thanks for watching this video, I will continue to share my own personal experience and analysis on how to improve my games on this channel, hopefully others can benefit from that.
@@superdupr.pickleball thank you I appreciate it. Glad I found the channel, you earned a new subscriber
@@joshc.6706 thank you! Look forward to your future feedback!
Great content LJ!
Thank you sir!
very good video and thank you so much for sharing your analysis, in badminton , its part of the net play strategy , I think a lot can be borrowed from there.
Thank you for the kind feedback, I’m glad that you found this helpful! Definitely take a look at the other videos on this channel, I try to focus on this type of in-depth analysis here!
Very unique way of breaking down the dinks, great video!
Thanks for the feedback, very glad to know that you found this helpful!
Very good advice, excellent use of graphics.
Thank you for the kind feedback, glad that it was helpful!
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Great points and tips!
Glad it was helpful!
In your first example, the 1st dink is definitely a better dink than the 2nd. 2nd shot is a dead dink and allows the other team to easily take the offense. If the opponents attack the 1st ball you have an easy counter from up high.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts.
My opinion, since speedups and spin can be offensive strategy, a ball that bounces is and has more options for attack than a stretched volley.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
I agree, unless you have very good control and can place your volley very deep into the court with a good angle . most stretched volleys land in mid court with little power , those are useless.
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@@meizhou2275 agrees
Great analysis. Will definitely try at next league play.
Thank you for the feedback, I’m glad it’s helpful!
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I like the concept but I think it's a little flawed in your premise of marking the maximum reach as an 'attackable ball' Look at how your dummy is postured and the paddle position, this is more an indicator of a simple volley dink from a low position. I think it'd be more useful to dummy-demo and analyse some actual effective roll volley attacks to get a better sense of wherean attackable contact would be from.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts!
@@superdupr.pickleball No probs - Great initiative - I think more in depth analysis of ball paths and strategy is really needed, so good work on exploring that... I think your notes on attention where the peak of the arc is is really useful for people.
Much appreciate it!
I agree, I believe the conclusion about effective dinks is premature. The goal of pickleball at a high level isn't to make everything un-volleyable. It's to force your opponent into situations where every option presented to them isn't ideal. Therefore, "unattackable."
There are two types of dinks: lift dinks and push dinks.
1) Lift dinks are defensive shots landing roughly in the front half of the kitchen. These are made to reset off of an opponent's push dink, or when you are out of position. These are the type of shots being described in this video: arc on your side, little spin, defensive.
2) Push dinks are aggressive shots typically made with topspin, landing low in the second half of the kitchen, or sometimes a foot behind the kitchen if your opponent is out of position. These shots entice opponents to speed up the ball from below the net, or force them to take a step back to reset into a lift dink of their own.
Push dinks should be the priority as it gives your opponent a bad choice:
1) Speed-up below the net? That loses the game at a high level.
2) Try to push dink yourself? Well, it's landing at your feet, so you need to take a step back to return it in front of your body. It's also difficult to put pace or spin on an aggressive push dink, so these often end up as "dead dinks."
3) Lift dink? Well, your opponent will likely have a slight advantage, as it's easy to put spin and pace off of a lift dink. But off of a solid push dink, it's typically the best response.
Therefore the conclusion I've heard mentioned from various pros is: The pattern is whoever has an aggressive position at the kitchen will use a push dink, followed by a pattern of: lift - push - lift - push - lift, all the way until someone makes a mistake or gets impatient.
The most aggressive push dinks tend to be used in cross-court rallies and middle-court volley dinks. Push dinks should only rarely be used to the person directly down-the-line as a surprise tactic, as there is significantly less space for the ball to decline below the net.
Really, the biggest thing this video shows is why you shouldn't do dinks down-the-line, directly to your opponent's body. There is too little time for the ball to fall below the net. They should be placed to the sides of their body, where it is more difficult to get an aggressive volley off. If the opponent moves to catch your dink out of the air, you've already gained a significant advantage by moving your opponent around at the kitchen.
I invite you to watch the top pros, and see where their dinks land exactly. Watching Johns/Johns vs Ge/Martinez 3 months ago, almost all of their dinks land extremely deep, often even past the kitchen line.
@@Tekel408 thanks for haring your thoughts, there's a time and place for everything. I agree with you that playing at a high level, dinks is not just about being safe, the pros make their dinks deep to be offensive, they are able to do so because they have already mastered the defensive aspect of dinks and are able to consistently hit safe dinks and the ability to defend fast attacks, engage in hands battles. unfortunately, vast majority of the players are not at that level, I think focussing on getting good at the the fundamentals of dinks is a good starting point for a lot of us.