Thanks for the good video, however I don't believe the rule is that the tip of the paddle is below the wrist. From 2025 rules: 4.A.7.b. The highest point of the paddle head must not be above the highest part of the wrist (where the wrist joint bends) when the paddle strikes the ball.
@@gg80108 FYI You can throw the ball as high as you want in a volley serve in Rec play only. But you’re not allowed to pinch the ball between your fingers to spin it before contact.
I am confused about the power serve explanation. For my power serve, I use a semi-western grip, hit it at 90% power and try to put as much topspin on it as I can. I don't put topspin on it for the kick, I rely on it to keep the ball in. I've actually never tried it, but I assume most of my serves would go long without topspin. Are there any pros that employ a flat power serve? Thanks.
Yes I own that serve too. However, I play it from a drop as it is more natural for me on the backhand side. On the forehand I can do either drop or volley serve easily but for some reason a drop gives me an amazing angle on the ad serve.
**Slice Drop Serve**... your paddle is above your wrist on contact... Almost even questionable on it being above your waist on contact. You dropped your hips to make the power.
As you emphasized in this great video, the key is variation. Both of you did an excellent job of explaining the mechanics of hitting each serve. Thank you!
One can rip their rotator cuff with those big flaling swings for spin. Just ask Morgan Evans. Only at low levels does it make a difference. Does Cracked mean your on drugs?
Nah. Man up and learn to take these serves (assuming you're in a respectable skill-balanced game, of course. Don't do this against weak players, that takes the fun out of it).
@@ictkeith3730 Suit yourself, but there's nothing ungentlemanly about any of these serves. Do whatever you want but don't try to claim the moral high ground or whatever, that's just weak.
@@ictkeith3730 Doesn't matter. You said this was ungentlemanly. I'm saying it's not. Whether it's effective or not, or whether pros use it or not, has nothing to do with it. It's a gimmick, sure. But you have zero moral high ground for choosing not to use it. There's no gentleman's agreement to or not to use it. This is your own personal decision, nothing more than that. Don't use it, sure, if that makes you feel good about yourself. Just don't elevate yourself for it.
So since you have to drop serve to ignore the normal rules for moving low to high on a volley serve, the first 2 serves in this video are illegal unless you drop serve them.
Embarrassing video explaining a selection of extremely low percentage, novelty serves. Plus, how can you guys still have the grip terminology wrong? You describe continental and eastern wrong as well as using “open” and “closed” paddle face backwards. Of course the janky, awkward demonstrations explain why this is the case.
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Thanks for the good video, however I don't believe the rule is that the tip of the paddle is below the wrist. From 2025 rules:
4.A.7.b. The highest point of the paddle head
must not be above the highest part of the
wrist (where the wrist joint bends) when
the paddle strikes the ball.
Honestly, the solution is to just drop serve instead and not have to worry about any of the rules.
Think he said one can throw the ball up on the volley serve? No no no
@@gg80108 No, you're wrong. Yes, you can throw the ball up on the volley serve. Show me the rule that says this is illegal.
@@gg80108 FYI You can throw the ball as high as you want in a volley serve in Rec play only.
But you’re not allowed to pinch the ball between your fingers to spin it before contact.
I am confused about the power serve explanation. For my power serve, I use a semi-western grip, hit it at 90% power and try to put as much topspin on it as I can. I don't put topspin on it for the kick, I rely on it to keep the ball in. I've actually never tried it, but I assume most of my serves would go long without topspin.
Are there any pros that employ a flat power serve? Thanks.
Great video. Thanks so much for explaining the spin serve. Which paddles do you guys use or recommend for spins?
Realistically as long as you have a good carbon fiber face you’ll be able to hit any of these serves!
Thanks for explaining the ping-pong side spins. 'Can't wait to do the backhands, esp. Blessings!
I like my power topspin serves and will stick with it for 2025. Very hard to beat that satisfying THWACK that sends the ball rocketing down the line.
This channel has been so good for my game
You’ve been so good for my game
Too talky not enough examples
Random Gower Park pull on my youtube page lmao. Great content and love all the options for serve posibilities!
Great picks for the top serves!
I’ve only seen one pro do the backhand serve, Scott Moore, he’s a senior.
I’ve played with a side spinner for years , he doesn’t step across during the swing. He already has feet across and he hits absolute nukes
Yes I own that serve too. However, I play it from a drop as it is more natural for me on the backhand side. On the forehand I can do either drop or volley serve easily but for some reason a drop gives me an amazing angle on the ad serve.
The powers severe demonstrated here is not proper. The top edge of his paddle is above his wrist. Ugh people get it right. Work on your video editing.
**Slice Drop Serve**... your paddle is above your wrist on contact... Almost even questionable on it being above your waist on contact. You dropped your hips to make the power.
Scratch that.... Was not aware of the Drop Serve Rules..... Thanks for the info!!
Trying to teach a backhand slice online-
I've only been playing pickleball for 3 years I developed side spin the second year I played so it's really nothing new
More things to work on.
get a mod... oh wait
As you emphasized in this great video, the key is variation. Both of you did an excellent job of explaining the mechanics of hitting each serve. Thank you!
Key is never miss a serve first.
One can rip their rotator cuff with those big flaling swings for spin. Just ask Morgan Evans. Only at low levels does it make a difference. Does Cracked mean your on drugs?
Although I feel like in the PPA it’s a gentlemen’s agreement to not do any of these gimmick serves (besides the power)
Nah. Man up and learn to take these serves (assuming you're in a respectable skill-balanced game, of course. Don't do this against weak players, that takes the fun out of it).
@ I’m not part of the gimmick club . No thanks .
@@ictkeith3730 Suit yourself, but there's nothing ungentlemanly about any of these serves. Do whatever you want but don't try to claim the moral high ground or whatever, that's just weak.
@ answer me why absolutely ZERO pros do these …. I’ll wait.
@@ictkeith3730 Doesn't matter. You said this was ungentlemanly. I'm saying it's not. Whether it's effective or not, or whether pros use it or not, has nothing to do with it.
It's a gimmick, sure. But you have zero moral high ground for choosing not to use it. There's no gentleman's agreement to or not to use it. This is your own personal decision, nothing more than that. Don't use it, sure, if that makes you feel good about yourself.
Just don't elevate yourself for it.
So since you have to drop serve to ignore the normal rules for moving low to high on a volley serve, the first 2 serves in this video are illegal unless you drop serve them.
Agree they were ignoring the top edge of the paddle where the measurement is.
Embarrassing video explaining a selection of extremely low percentage, novelty serves. Plus, how can you guys still have the grip terminology wrong? You describe continental and eastern wrong as well as using “open” and “closed” paddle face backwards. Of course the janky, awkward demonstrations explain why this is the case.