⌚ Tudor Watches- All You Need to Know
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- Опубликовано: 10 сен 2024
- Here we chat about Tudor watches, the history, and models. We will cover Tudor models from times of past, and also Tudor watches of current day.
Remember, Tudor is technically owned by Rolex, which was founded by Hans Wilsdorf. While in vintage times, Tudor used parts of their associated company, Rolex, today they have positioned themselves into a very unique place in the watch community.
Among modern watch collectors, Tudor is known for one model- the Tudor Black Bay. The Black Bay comes in many different sizes, forms, and bezel colors. There is even a Tudor Black Bay Pepsi GMT which of course is modeled after the Rolex watch- Rolex GMT Master or Rolex GMT Master II.
Throughout history there has been a bit of a yin- yang relationship between Tudor and Rolex. For example, Rolex would have a Submariner, Tudor would have a Submariner. It follows:
Rolex Daytona - Tudor Chronograph
Rolex Day Date - Tudor Date Day
Rolex Datejust - Tudor Price Date
Rolex Alarm- wait- this did not happen- or did it? Tudor Advisor....
The list goes on! Sports watches, dress watches, chronographs, dives watches, mens watches, ladies watches. Tudor does it all ! Tudor and Rolex, for better or worse, mostly better, share history, previously parts, and of course the creator.
Let's ride the Tudor train while is is still boarding passengers- glad to Tudor Watches back in the USA since they came back- they were missing for many years!
-John P
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King Henry VII, the father of Henry VIII (of six wives fame) and grandfather of Queen Elizabeth I, was born in Wales and had the 'surname' of Tudor.
Very interesting!
Have the Black bay in house and love it to death. Wear it more then my Sea dweller now
Joseph Schuhrej
Me too!!!
You missed my favorite....Pelagos, which o believe is superior as a dive and took watch to the Rolex Submariner!!!
Nice watch
Love the brand, my Tudor BB58 is my daily
I have 11-series Rolex Batman, I bought a Tudor GMT and honestly, there are days when I wonder why I don't just wear the Tudor every day. As someone in my early 30s there are times when professionally wearing the Rolex (now that its a $15k+ watch) feels like a bit of a "flex" as they say. Getting all the functionality of my Batman in a watch with none of that Rolex snob factor, plus a lot of genuine tool-watch charm, better water resistance and really no concern about dinging or damaging a future $20k collector's piece.... yea, I just love my BB GMT.
Your not gonna damage the Batman cuz. It’s built like a tank. And any dings can be polished out over the years. Rolex’s clean up quite nice at the service intervals. Can’t bring dings to the grave bro. Wear and enjoy. And flex as much as you want.
Column Wheel Your right, aside from the flex thing. Doing contract work means a lot of my meetings are basically job interviews and don’t wanna risk looking to flush or like I’m out blinging the guy across the table. I think the main thing the BB GMT has done for me is made me realize the Pepsi is the watch I really want as a daily driver so the goal is to get that and keep the Batman as an investment piece so as close to mint as possible.
Nick Prime definitely can relate. I have a 16700 GMT and treat that piece like a grail. My Sub gets some time but I always fret for banging it around. Hence I recently got a Breitling Aerospace and a Citizen Skyhawk to add to the rotation. They can take the brunt of the day job. Boy that Batman is a real nice watch brother.
You'll be fine wearing the BLNR every day; I wear mine all the time and it looks as good as new after a service. Hopefully you didn't pay $15K for it - now the BLRO in stainless is out, you can pick up the batman for around £6700 or $8,000 as demand has dropped.
@@pbarkell I paid retail, no tax so I got a great deal on it. I don't quite know where you're looking but now that its discontinued the prices on the 116710BLNRs only seem to be climbing. The BLRO has always been my goal for a daily wear, I couldn't get that but the BLNR sort of fell into my lap as it were and I took it. I'd rather have the BLRO as a daily wear but hold onto the BLNR as a safe queen. Though frankly, I'm not really a fan of the safe queen concept so I may sell my Batman on to someone who WILL wear it everyday... once I get a BLRO... which may take a while.
I'm personally happy that the black bay prices are cheaper now due to supply. Finally pulled the trigger on a blue bezel one last month, pre owned for about $3k and couldn't be happier. 5 years ago, I couldn't bring myself to buy one due to the price even though I've always loved the design
The only Rolex that I absolutely love is the Daytona, but I’ll never be in a position to own one. But what is obtainable for me is a Tudor Black Bay Bronze! I am not a fan of bronze watches, but this doesn’t just feel like any bronze watch. It is gorgeous to me and that is definitely something I look forward to owning! Thanks John!
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Thanks for putting together this insightful video on the Tudor brand. I remember way back in the mid-sixties to the early years of the seventies, as a youngster in Hong Kong, I was fully aware of both the Rolex and Tudor brands, and that they was related to each other. Sport watches were not really the “in-thing”, seeing someone wearing a Submariner or Daytona was a very rare occurrence. As such, most Tudors that I saw were mainly the Prince no-date (manual wound), Prince Oyster Date and Prince Day-Date varieties. Tudors were fairly popular for folks who wanted to have a handsome and tough everyday watch but did not want to pay Rolex prices. The Omega Seamasters (dress watch versions) were coming on strong,but they did not come cross as tough everyday watches.
I have recently came across a 1988 near-NOS two-date Tudor Prince Oyster Date which the original owner left in a bank safety deposit box for almost 30 years. I was like a kid in the candy store. The watch brought back a lot of fond memories of my childhood and horological of the sixties and seventies. This watch had never been serviced since new. I worn it for one month non-stop and it tracked a very steady +9.6 s/d regardless of daytime activities and night-time resting position which leads to believe that Tudor must have used a top-grade ETA-2824 caliber or even done some of their own improvements to the ETA workhorse!
Wow ! Thank you for the first-hand info! Always love hearing these collector stories!
You discrib in a wonderfuf way weht a watch is alabout
25 minutes and no Pelagos?!?! It's the definitive modern diver with a 500m depth rating and the only Titanium watch/bracelet in the history of Rolex. C'Mon, JP!
Seriously, no Pelagos or LHD? I'm a proud owner and enjoy wearing it almost daily.
I agree, leaving out the Pelagos is shocking 😱
Yeah. Leaving out the Pelagos and North Flag is very odd.
@@jeffreyblue627 I can't talk about every Tudor watch :)
Yeah but the pip falls off
my first entry level luxury piece was a black bay eta with the rose
A classy watch, pall. How do you like it? I’m thinking of buying one
@@boykaunlimitted4514 I liked it was just a little on the thick side I’d recommend the newer black bay 39 mm version
I should have kept my original Monte Carlo chronograph. Nuts! Mine cost $265 in the 1970s.
Now you need a complete video about Pelagos and their competitive advantages against Submariner. 🤔
Tudor and Rolex and apples and oranges; they're both fun in different lights. Similar? Sure... very different though.
Apples and Oranges? Really? Steel sports Rolex compared with JLC - THAT'S apples to oranges. Rolex and Tudor share DNA. They're much more similar than you'd think.
Heavily considering the unmentioned pelagos.
i looked at the pelagos last week .but didnt like it as much as the black bay .bought a BB .its very nice
No north flag, first Tudor in house?
Can't talk about every watch- North Flag is pretty neat, though it has really been brushed aside even by Tudor themselves.
Great vid. I think 95% of luxury watches don't appreciate in value. I have a BB but didn't buy it as an investment. I just love it
I own two Tudors - Black Bay ETA Blue, and a 1993 silver dial Prince Oysterdate. I love them both dearly and will definitely add the Black Bay GMT to the collection soon. Thanks for the great video mate!
Joseph Stuart do you know when Tudor stopped using the Rolex case
For the same price as a new Tudor GMT, you can get yourself a 1990s Tudor Big Block. Excellent value and a collectors piece!
Love your Seiko World Time Desk clock. Have one of my own and love it!
The Black Bay 58 is almost unavailable at retail....retail with bracelet is $3700 but haven’t been able to get one for less than $4200 or so..up to over $5000...I was extremely lucky getting mine at retail. I called an AD and they actually had one and I scooped it up. I love this watch.
I think Omega is Tudor's biggest competitor right now and Tudor speaks to me more. Love me some black bay and getting my dad a Pelagos for his retirement
Honestly speaking the first modern dive watch I fell in love with was the Black Bay ETA. I ended up going with the Rolex Submariner 116610LN because of its slimmer case & 40MM size. Although I recently tried on the BB58 & I am tempted to pull the trigger.
Tudor is a great brand
I bought the North Flag. I thought that the sporty design and the in-house movement meant that Tudor was going to try and take a step away from the "cheaper Rolex" history. I'm sad that it doesn't get more love.
My first luxury watch that I’m saving for (I’m over half way there) is the two tone Tudor 1926 36mm which is a pretty awesome watch
Love this discussion as I’m eyeing the black bay. Crazy low price on a watch the looks like the love child of the submariner and explorer.
Glad you enjoy!
I see the honey moon phase with the explorer is in full blow, good.
Ahaha yes :)
Love Tudor, but riddle me this:. They put out several 15mm thick BBs and everyone fawns. Other brands make a 15mm thick chronograph and people complain about the thickness. Why?
Monarchies are still relevant and important
No Pelagos??? Still a good video. Watched it wearing my Black Bay Steel&Gold . Love the watch and the brand.
Believe it or not, the Pelagos is often overlooked, even by myself- though a very good watch :)
I prefer the vintage Tudor Pieces, I have a few that I got very lucky with from ebay..
Great point !
Dont look ad the notes, relex.... trust yourself.... you got it in you.....
Will probably pick up a bb58 when the hype dies. Tudor has some real oddballs outside their staple lines. What self respecting bro could buy a watch called the glamour? Omega and tudor share a lot of similarities in lines and market philosophy these days.
Glamour is pretty good though
Hi Aaron! Was wondering if you've gotten around to buying a BB58? I'm considering buying one and want to hear from folks who have bought one recently.
damn straight brother, where was the Pelagos Geeza!!! school boy error my son! you need to make amends.
You need to do more research write a script and rehearse it. You come accross as someone who is making things up to fill in the gaps of your knowledge. It's hard to watch, even when this subject gets me excited. Your communication skills need work.
Thank you for the honest video.
clunk.... clunk..... clunk.... .man, the audio of the watch hitting the desk is killing me.
just got my BB GMT after searching for 6 months..was told i was 120th plus by Tudor boutique, thus got it from grey market, paid extra few thousands ringgit Malaysia though..worth it
Omega must be in a tizzy as they were failing to catch up to Rolex. Now they can’t keep up in resale and popularity of second tier Tudor.
I had couple of Pelagos, sold them. Had the Fifty Eight, sold it. I keep my favorite from all the line, the Tudor Black Bay Chrono. Love it's character, love most of the sheep collectors hate it and it's the perfect match for my Explorer 1.
Steel Stunners it’s curious, but watchfinder explained it exactly in it’s last video. 58, checked all the boxes it was perfect but don’t know...not for me, perhaps the huge snowflake hour hand? Don’t know!
One of your best videos so far. Thank you.
Thank you!
I personally felt that Tudor really have their own personality starting from their Black Shield series,,, for at least it caught my attention... for the first time they took the first step out from being a 'Homage' to Rolex to hv their own identity. I purchased my very first FastBack & since than I being a Tudor fans. I owned Rolex but hv to say their Black bay 41mm series wear better than my Rolex GMT, only reason I can say is that BB have a flat out case back unlike Rolex, it matters lots to me as I hv a flat wrist after my motorcycle accident (wrist when thru messy reconstruction work). Yes they might not able to hold their value as well but many another mid priced timepieces too. Love it want more of it & will get it! Next target is to get a BB Pepsi .... yammy!
Are we ever going to fix the clock ? Youre killing me brother.. lol
Bruh. No Pelagos? WTF?
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Great video.
I have the Black Bay 58
Red Bezel
What price range would you predict When production stops for my Black Bay? I intend to trade it for a more expensive Tudor later
I stopped watching this when he said monarchs were irrelevant in 2019...jog in you mug
His sense of history is non existing! He is ignorant...
That was kind of a silly thing to say. 😂
Yup me too just got to that aaaaabd I’m done
I really enjoy your videos, but was wondering why the two clocks in the background don’t work.
Happy Ranger owner here, great video.
5:45 yeah i'd love to see a miner with a luxury watch too
Great video. LOVED THE FORMAT. WOULD LOVE TO SEE YOU DO THIS WITH OTHER BRANDS.
This was very informative, I do however feel you have missed the mark YOU MENTIONED NOT ONE TIME, THE TUDOR PELAGOS! This watch is the ultimate tool watch!!! The Pelagos is what the Submariner USED to be!
Love the tech deck board in the background
The vintage Tudor Day-Date is NOT a carbon copy of the Rolex version. Firstly, it’s stainless steel as opposed to only precious metals and secondly it has a unique “Jumbo” case of 38mm vs the traditional 36mm. Leaving out Tudor’s most unique and innovative modern watch, the Pelagos, also reveals a very superficial view of the brand. I find it odd to cover a topic you don’t seem overly knowledgeable or interested in.
Dude, how can you spend 25 minutes covering Tudor including the contemporary references and not mention the Tudor North Flag! first Tudor with an in house movement and display case back if I'm not mistaken. Moreover the Pelagos didn't even rate a mention. Whats up with that?
[2:35] Quite pretentious for someone who claims to be a watch enthusiast (watches derive a lot of value in the appreciation of history and pedigree) to say "it's irrelevant to talk about monarchs and queens and kings in 2019".
You might as well say it's irrelevant to talk about mechanical watches in 2019 where there are super accurate digital and quartz watches.
I’d actually posit that it would be quite pretentious to care about kings and queens. Historically, royalty has impoverished and held back citizens for their own selfish reasons, power, and control/ even if it means committing horrid violent acts against their people and/ or the people of other kingdoms. They’ve also manipulated people to greater lengths. We can acknowledge their place in history, as to not erase them from the textbooks, but the modern glorification serves no purpose besides tradition. Thanks for watching :)
@@JohnPWatches only knowledge of history can save us from insanity.
John P interesting perspective! Think you’ll find the British Monarchy is highly relevant and brings in millions of revenue in tourism per year! The Monarchy is part of our history and culture. History and culture is part of the Rolex/Tudor appeal! 2 weeks ago i bought my first Tudor - the blue Pelagos - awesome tool diver (imo the best value with best features compared to competitors within a similar price band) but no mention???
Great video. Please keep them coming.
John what’s your opinion on Tudor North Flag?
I really liked it, but it's a bit too big IMHO...also I had recently seen one at an AD in Phuket at 50% off
I have not seen BB58 discounted sir.
Is it just me, or does anyone else find the chunkier Rolex models to be rather 'vulgar'? (Sorry, in advance; no offence meant to Rolex fans - they're just not to my personal taste.)
Persevered and was rewarded with the opportunity to purchase a BB58. Top of my rotation; also own a ‘77 Prince Oysterdate, which is getting no wrist time. Probably will sell it
Lovin my new BB GMT!
Me too !
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Another great video! Very informative!
The Tudor Black Bay ETA version in black, blue and red (in that order) is where it's at. These at least here in Australia are fetching more money than the in-house and are consistency selling above their original MSRP. The ETA movement is synonymous with Tudor and you don't get any silly rivets that do nothing and avoid the thickness of the in-house. I do agree however that the 58 is a good alternative especially size wise if the 41mm is too large for your wrist.
Vintage Tudors are awesome 👍
Yes sir
Great video Just What I needed
Hi John. Could you please tell me if I have to take the bracelet off to find the serial number on a modern Black Bay (GMT to be exact). I have a courier picking one up from a seller overseas and need to make sure it is not a Replica. I just saw on line that they are now making Tudor GMT Reps. Thank you. I want to match the serial number with the packaging from the AD.
Wow! That Tudor Advisor is nice. Never heard of it and thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Welcome !
My thoughts are... If it’s practically impossible to get the steel Rolex that I want... I’m not going to Rolex’s junior varsity brand as an alternative... I’ll take my money to Breitling or omega.. (why they have no black bay with a date function, I don’t know...other than gmt or 2 tone)
Well put ! Likely why I currently do not have one in my collection
Ben Pollard Check the black bay with metal bezel,it has date function.
Great video on watches. Just a point about history though. At the start of the video you say that "it's pretty irrelevant to talk about monarchs in 2019". Then at the end you say "a big chunk of history is just kind of missing". I'd argue that it's probably worth talking about history (even if it includes irrelevant monarchs) to avoid big chunks of history going missing.....
Love the Black Bay GMT Pepsi. Stunning top quality watch. Good keeper too. Doubt it will lose money.
This is a very interesting and informative video. I never used to like snowflake hands but they are growing on me. I think Tudor competes with Omega in some areas. Thank you John.
Do you like any of the Oris watches?
@@syndicatedsatellite7288 Yes, I think they have a lot to offer for the price point. Why do you ask?
@@drwindsurf I just wondered what your opinion was in comparison to other brands like Tudor and Omega you had mentioned..
I’m a proud owner of BB Dark even though is the less desirable in the BB line...
P.P. How is the finish holding up ?
tynan nida I’m very careful with it, so far no problem at all !
@@PP080PP is it black ion case?
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@@PP080PP ah it looks cool Haha. I'd probably go for a pelagos myself. But honestly the black bay line is awesome and if you like it and are happy with it it doesnt matter. If you're pleased with it that's what matters most
Good segment, content, and conversation. Tudor is not on the top of my list but i enjoyed the pieces discussed and the history lesson. Thanx JP! 👍
Thanx Man 🙏🏽
Thank you !
Outstanding video bro, I own the black Bay Steel. Huge TUDOR fan
John P, what's your thoughts on the tudor style date , black dial, smooth bezel for a dress watch? I've been given a budget for my wedding watch that is 2,000+ give or take and finding that's a tough price point. Other watches that compete are the omega deville prestige, and the tag carrera caliber 5. What's your thoughts? Love the video's from you and fed!
What do you think of the Pelagos? You didn't talk about it so im wondering do you think its a good watch, will it keep its value since its doesn't come in such variation like the black bay.
Nice review thank you for the heads up... I love wearing the bb58 ever since I bought it...
Love me some vintage Tudor
Thanks for the video John P, it is great to get the history on Tudor. I also wondered about previous models they had. Great video! I sincerely like the Tudor Black Bay 58....black dial with black bezel in particular. Will I buy one?? I don't think so only because my collection is CLOSED......No more watches for me! For the record, I live in the Caribbean and although I love the dive watch look, dive watch or no dive watch if I was to buy one it would NOT even taste sea water!!!!! I tend not to buy watches that look too similar to those I already own. I own a beautiful Longines 40mm all stainless Masters collection and that is my pride and joy. I have had it almost 10 years now and I am as excited to put it on today as when I first bought it. If, if I didn't have the Longines I would certainly be interested in purchasing the BB 58.
Again, great video and keep up the good work!
God bless.
Subsribed. Substantial content. I like your perspective on watches.
The North Flag is the most interesting Tudor model to me....
I've got a Tudor oyster date , blue faced new York style with Rolex crown on face and Tudor printed below hands .what age would this watch be , as I asked a dealer , and he'd never seen one in UK . Got this one from u s a .?
Love the video. Great history. Love the BB58. The ⏱👨⚕️
Hey John great video, what would you say is a good price for a Tudor black bay red bezel? Just picked one up on eBay for $2850. Thanks for the content, keep it up.
Can't find that Harrod's Black Bay for $4k as you mentioned on eBay or forums (would love one at that price!)... still seeing $4900-5000 in completed sales.
There were a handful when Harrods made their last dump around 2 months ago. We passed on 3 ! Hehe
@@JohnPWatches you passed on 3 at 4k? Any particular reason?
"Last dump"? Are they discontinued?
The "cheapest" one I can find online is $4800ish + shipping.
I own Tudor Hydro 1200, I really like it, but not much videos or other material out there. Trying to find stainless steel band for it, does Delray sell?
I have a original Tudor Black Rose Oyster Prince I would consider offers
Submariner
Great video!
So I have been watching Federico and John for a while. You guys always seemed to scrunch your noses up when the subject of Tudor comes up.... Is the fact that Delray has a, larger Tudor offering changed your minds on the brand? How can you talk about 2019 Tudor without Peligos?
My Aeronaut seems pretty rare.
Any way you could recommend a good GMT for women? My sister in law is a new flight attendant and needs to wear a watch as a part of the uniform. Thanks for any help you can provide!
That was a really insightful presentation. History about the brand and a pragmatic perspective on what is happening with Tudor. I look at DelRay Watch all of the time.......no surprise you guys are busy because you both seem like straight shooters.
Thank you Robert :) I appreciate it !!
Gr8 video. Very informative and interesting! Luv these timepieces and the history .
Tudor pronounced tyew-door, not "tooter" (a tooter is something else) Enjoyed this. I Found it helpful .Thank u sir.
I got a new BBB in house movement (no grey market) as part of a deal for a Submariner 114060 plus cash. I didn't wear the Sub that much. I am wearing the BBB a lot.
Do you ever get any oysterdate prince chronographs (Big block to tiger). Do you think they are going to reissue them? Considering the popularity of the Daytonas since the Newman auction.
I picked up one of the smooth bezel 41’s with Black Dial on a bracelet. For me, it’s a great everyday bang around that checks a lot of boxes. It’s tough, looks awesome without really looking like a diver, but not exactly an explorer. Is it a dive watch? Hell I don’t know, it’s just kind of it’s own thing and I like that about it.
Oris competes with Tudor.
interesting video this time :D please do more like this
What!!! No mention of the Pelagos?