What's That Pegasus-Class in Gundam Unicorn? [Question of the Week]
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**Remains of a highly valuable Pegasus-class Assault Carrier lands onto a mountain on Earth**
Zeon Remnants: "Its free real estate."
If the grey phantom was the one that crashed then it's officially the unluckiest Gundam ship
Wasn't the Alex supposed to be on white base? So this means the white base crew would be transfered to the grey phantom?
Maybe the Federation "accidentally" crashed the troy horse and coincidentally Zeon soldiers were in the same area it crashed. And the pockets of some federation officers got extra payment
The Alex was supposed to be transfered to the Gray Phantom, but it's difficult to say if they were just going to transport the thing to the White Base or if there was going to be a crew transfer in either way.
Your idea is quite similar to mine. Bribery is a good idea. But I don't think the ship would have been crashed on purpose, so much as Federal official bribed to look the other way.
For my idea, I assume, rather than bribes, that Zeon allies or spies within the Federation were reporting that it was already stripped and just an empty hulk.
Oh wait I have another possibility, I think that ship was hijacked from a shipyard and then purposely crashed in order to keep low profile from Feds radar.
@@zakhaevshub4735 I guess the hijacked part makes sense. Maybe they used it to transfer some mobile suit tech to give to Zeon. Or maybe the AEUG captured the ship and in exchange for some sweet neo Zeon tech
@@Bobert2020 yeah that's a possibility, I mean we never know the dark side of AEUG anyway 😂
I think the "left intentionally there by Feds to encourage remnants" theory very plausible. Seems like a course of action that is in line with the titans and the radicals. After all, (i am not sure where it came from. My last impression was Unicorn, i think.) I recall federation officers creating trouble by LITERALLY funding remnants, and then pointing at those remnants and going "Welp, the government better give us money so we can deal with these pesky remnants!"
Anaheim does it too throughout the timeline, its mentioned in MSVR: The Return of Johnny Ridden as to why the majority of Zeons navy is still operating on Earth so long after the end of the OYW
The aquatic navy almost certainly does.
Saw vids on the Torrington attack enough to get me very curious about the Pegasus-Class in the video
From the angle it's at, it looks more like the ship backed in to the mountain rather than crash while falling. Perhaps the Federation crew was attempting to pull a maneuver like the White Base at the Seattle stadium. Human error then caused it to ground on the mountain while flying backwards. After the crash, the Fed crew abandoned the ship and Zeon remnant forces occupied the downed vessel before it could be scuttled. As an older ship, in a state that it couldn't be made airworthy again, and out in the middle of nowhere the Federation gave up on it rather than sink more resources in the a downed ship.
That makes sense.
While retaking it would've been out of the question in this scenario. I'm pretty sure that the federation would've made sure that the ship would be scuttled by more direct means such as aerial or long ranged bombardment because at this point the Feds knows very well that a single Pegasus-class can take on Zeon forces with a mixed compliment of military and civilian crew on its own.
@@dexexmachinatu4151 agreed, it may be more likely that the ships crew somehow did not survive to report its position and Zeon Remnants Moved in after.
Thank you for acknowlaging its the Seattle stadium.
@@KillerOrca For as much as I love Federation Vs. Zeon on the PS2, I don't even know what a New Yark is.
Considering too that by Unicorn, 0096/97, the EFSF was busy maintaining their Gryps War-era Salamis Kais, and the Irish and Nahel Argama classes co-opted from the AEUG, along with the much newer Clop and Ra Cailum classes, the corrupt Federation wouldn't give a rats ass about a derelict OYW vintage Pegasus class
Did they make multiple Nahel Argama(s) too?
As far as we know, no, the Nahel Argama is a one off
Find it unlikely that whatever ship it be just drifted from near lunar orbit, happened to achieve the proper orbit and velocity to survive re-entry and then have a relatively soft crash landing that didn't splatter bits and pieces of ship all over that mountain. Seems that it was intentionally put there.
Well...... I agree......
Depending on where it was in relation to the nuclear blast at Solomon, perhaps it sustained only minimal damage.
Enough to, say, allow it to get to Earth and set down in a kinda controlled crash situation.
@@KillerOrca If it was that far off from the blast the crew would have had enough time to either recover and bring the ship back under control before being anywhere near LEO(low Earth orbit) aka we going for a wild ride, or have plenty of time to abandon ship and leave it to it's fate. It took the Apollo lunar missions about 3 days to get to the moon and that was a concerted effort to get from point a to b. One nuke just far enough to not microwave the crew inside the ship wouldn't give enough thrust to do a similar trip in a shorter time.
Here's my question: What's with all the different beam colors on both the ships and mobile suits in the UC?
Pink- Fed
Yellow- Zeon
To show the viewer which faction the pew pew belongs too.
Science wise any laser that is of the visible spectrum is weak/low energy
High energy is outside of the visible color spectrum.
Counter: the beams are invisible but cameras shift down the spectrum logrithmically into the visible spectrum so the pathetic humans can comprehend what is going on
@@idminister So Gundam predated Transformers and GI Joe on the tell who's firing by color thing.
@@idminister The beams in Gundam aren't lasers. They're described as charged particle weapons. While that could be describing something like super charged photons - light - that still wouldn't make much since because they don't really act like light at all, they move far slower, and react much more like a plasma than energy.
But I think the colors are just an artstyle thing, to help the viewer see who is shooting what.
IIRC the canon explanation has to do with the Minovsky Particles and how they compress into Mega Particles.
And something to do with the wavelength, E-Cap design, and reactor design the originated from.
0:57 That ain't no base its a village too. Its got a little rickety bridge leading to the upper deck and little shanty towns all along it, that's some Guerrilla tactics right there the ghost of Ral is pleased.
I'd say that the Federation wrote it off after it crashed during maneuvers. They have a record of using things far beyond their intended life cycle, so it was probably so outdated by the era of Unicorn that they grabbed the stuff that was marginally sensitive and the things that could be used to possibly reactivate it as a ship and called it good. Cleanup was never a strong point on either side in UC, with remnant bits of every war just hanging out all over the place. There were many instances of whole mobile armors just ignored in civilian hands across several series based in UC. Corruption was very common in both sides as well, so even if the Pegasus-class in question was stripped, Federation bureaucrats could be bribed into leaving bits behind, "forgetting" to log its status, or even listing it as rubble. Not to mention that the black market was very active and it wouldn't be too far a stretch to say it WAS scuttled, but then there was enough old Federation materials to even get the thing back into space under its own power.
Crashes during a training accident. Too expensive to haul the entire thing out of the side of the mountain.
Rip out the power supply, the reactors, engines, computers, all that stuff. Leave the gutted skeleton behind for later scrapping/shipbreaking.
Doesnt get around to it because OTHER THINGS happen. Neo-Zeon moves in.
Possible.
I remember the line from Stardust Memory, in regards to the Albion; "They're an autonomous attack ship. Tell them they should do something, something autonomous." So for what is essentially a mobile suit strike carrier to be a supply vessel (Troy Horse), it may have been specific component of the array or outdated suits. If this were the case it's possible the ship didn't fall under Titans control following Stardust; deemed non-essential/obsolete. It may have been lost in combat to Neo Zeon or AEUG, possibly captured by a faction or an attempted defection, and had to make a crash landing en route home. Could explain a pro Zeon remnant in control of a Fed ship. Although it looked somewhat intact. The right side hangar bay (I'm sorry, I can never remember my port from starboard) is tilted up in relation to the rest of the hull, but there's little evidence of reentry damage.
hell could been there since Neo-Zeon war from the looks of it. also easy way to remember Port and Left have same number of letters
If that shipped drifted from Solomon to Earth wouldn't it have burned up in the atmosphere? I know ships like that are built to withstand atmospheric reentry, but it looked way too intact for something that size to still be in one piece after crashing to Earth. Seems impossible for a damaged, presumably unmanned ship, to do that
Yeah, and thinking about it, the impact site probably would've looked very different too.
no only that... if no one was on board to control the ship, the ship cant withstand re-entry. it would be like if the space shuttle made a re-entry upside down. and we have horror stories of failed re-entry of soyuz cosmonauts.
the troy horse scenario makes more sense including the leading the remnants to inhabit the ship...
and the fed probably did take out the megaparticle cannons and the minovsky craft parts...
the fed probably crashed the ship there because they are aware that the local government was sympathetic to zeon but had no proof. and given the state of the ship, they might have crashed it just before gryps conflict...
maybe a titan's idea before deploying a taskforce to wipe them out..
but titans got dissolved, feds not bothering to spend extra assets and Londo Bell had bigger threats on their radar
@@kakarot197 If accidental, it's possible that that ship was cruising in the atmosphere when it rammed into that mountain. I mean a dark night, storm, or fog bank could completely obscure the mountain from sight.
Building on this, I don't think that ship could be any of the ones that participated in the fleet review, because if it's unlikely that a ship could survive an uncontrolled atmospheric re-entry, it's damn near impossible that it could survive an uncontrolled atmospheric re-entry *after* being caught in a nuclear explosion.
@@01taran you're on to something. Safe to assume these ships have better tech than we do now. We've had jets with radar that can guide autopilot in low terrain following pattern, the B-1 Lancer uses such systems. But if these are malfunctioning or damaged in combat, or maybe were too close to a nuke going off? They could have been bringing the ship to an planetside drydock and Titanic'd into the mountain.
I just feel that I have to share the existence of yet another gray-phantom type Pegasus class ship--Forrestal. It appeared in the Manga version of missing links...and was sunk by An RX-80PR-2.
My theory is that its a downed ship during the OYW especially since that location looks like its from South East Asia which saw heavy fighting between the EF and Zeon. They might be planning to take this one out but because the Titans are far more investment in fighting the AEUG and Karaba which are far more financially supported than the remants as well as Jamitov's influence, they might had just put it asside first and focused on what they saw as a bigger threat.
There's also the fact that the EF neglected their Ground Forces since most battles took place in space with the fact that the Jegan saw most action in Space during its introduction than on Earth.
You can also saw that the EFGF being neglected during the early stages of the OYW as they focused more on building their fleet rather than fortifying the weaker parts of the Earth as well as still using saberfish fighters after the war.
Is it possible that the ship crashed in such a remote back woods area that federation didn't care? The federation seems to be pretty nonchalant with spending on new toys. If an outdated piece of hardware crashed out in the middle of the woods, is it worth spending to recover it when you can spend all that money on building another General Revell. Another possibility, the Federation doesn't know where it crashed, there is a lot debris floating around and big chunks of Colony have impacted the earth . So a ship wreck is probably not going to get reported to the authorities.
I think it was less about recovering it, and more about making sure it had no viable weapons systems. And yeah, they spent out the ass on new equipment. But there's nothing to suggest that the didn't reuse materials from older equipment.
Further these ships likely had lots of valuable raw materials that could easily be repurposed for other projects.
@Neo Hyperion To expand on your idea: Lets assume that the exploits of the white base and Gundam were played up by the federation, during and after the one year war. For the purposes of moral and a symbol of victory.
After the losses at the navel review, Jamitov probably let the Pegasus class die, since it was both a symbol of the federations victory and now weakness.
@@alexelam1127 Its still a waste of resources to leave it there, and I'm not sure what qualifies as new equipment as the feds were busy overhauling the old sala and magel ships while developing and bringing like 2-3 new ship classes online, and they were busy trying to pull the parasitic Anaheim Electronics off of themselves and completely in house R&D mobile suits. So surely the resources just sitting there in the form of a crippled ship on a mountainside would be worth recovering to put into those projects? The metal tonnage of that ship is probably worth quite afew mobile suits and maybe upto a new ship?
@@Feiora I guess the biggest problem we face is the lack of context. We don't know enough about the political, economical situation of the federation. the geography of the crash, the knowledge of the crash.
I offer a counterpoint for consideration.
Recycling; we know the benefits and we do recycle. But for most part the economics of scale make it easier to build new than to recycle. I realize that if very broad strokes view of it, and am speaking entirely as a global community.
A more specific case would be the recovery of ships, we know where hundreds of ship wrecks are and make no effort to recover the hundreds of tonnes of valuable resources. It's not cost effective to try to recover the wrecks, then process the materials.
In the mangas there are two other ship of this line, one is the Forestal in Missing Link Manga, and the other is called Tribune and served as the flagship of the Federation 7th fleet in Outer Gundam.
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Hey Kakarot. What, in your opinion, is the most powerful mobile armor in all of the Gundam series? (question of the week)
The ball
@@Bobert2020 the ball isn't a mobile armor
@@GojiraFan-in9oo it is if you want it to be.
@@mrguy4755 I don't.
it's a human transport pod with smol arms and a smol gun on top.
A.K.A. not a mobile armor
Gadelaza
If there was a Sinanju and Rozen Zulu on the scene,
The ship and all of those mobile suits would be absolutely f****d
i don't think sinanju can stand up on earth, its big and bulky and only have 2 legs. for example like that giant red thing that attacked torrington, with more limbs touching the ground the mass of the mobile armor can easily spread to the ground. but if its just to legs like sinanju i think it'll tip over because of it's weight unless flying. idk i might be wrong.
@@gopnikinadidas6333 You mean the Shamblo??? Obviously because the Shamblo has 2 front legs and a giant power generator as its base
The Sinanju could most likely fight on earth because the unicorn is able to fight both on earth and in space.
Plus, there are a hell of a lot bulkier machines that can stand up on earth
@@GojiraFan-in9oo yes that big red girthy thing
hmm you could be right. i just realized that the messer from hathaway's flash look more bulkier than sinanju.
@Neo Hyperion no no. we're talking about how the sinanju will work on earth.
Here's my question of the week: Could you tell complete stories of Puru sisters? (Elpeo Ple, Ple 2, Ple 12 aka Marida Cruz and Other Ple from 3 to 11)
Question for Question of the Week: what makes Gundam Thunderbolt non-canon? From what I could tell, there wasn’t really anything conflicting with the main timeline outside of variations of the mobile suits, but that could be explained away as variants given to the specific forces in the show.
As you get later in the show and the excuse of "they are just special suits for the thunderbolt sector" as they make major changes to earth suits, the events of the attack on jaburo" and add in the extra threat of that but bag cult that never existed in UC
Not to mention the technology of the thunderbolt suits especially the ones around the jaburo attack are comically advanced compared to even ZZ
From what I can tell, it mostly is that it simply is much less consistent with the rest of the UC. Both in terms of technological development, and a lot of the battles fought. Even if we go with your idea that the weapons were minor variations given to different forces, a lot of the equipment and tech seen in Thunderbolt goes beyond most other OYW settings. And the variations, like the sub arms and stuff, simply not being seen elsewhere at any point, is strange.
Hell I'd go as far as to say the atlas gundam is a borderline early f91 era miniature mobile suit tech wise
Considering how much of a mess the One Year War had alone...there's so much trash left over in space and Earth. There's bound to be a lot of junk that's been overlooked.
I got the same Question as well why is it in there? and what's the Fate of this Pegasus-class ship and its crew.
My guess is that it was docked at Jaburo during the events of Zeta Gundam. Then the Titans decided to scrap it. And while moving it for scrapping, the ship got captured or stolen by Zeon remnants. Zeon Remnants didn't have the fuel or resources to keep this gas guzzling White Base ship flying around Earth constantly. So they parked it on-top of a mountain, and used it as a base. This theory explains why the Federation doesn't know about it... because the Titans took it and all records were lost because Jaburo got nuked.
Question of the week: what are some mobile suits that use old technology despite being considered new in both the UC and other universes?
Basically any mobile suit still using conventional machine guns of projectile bases weapons would count for this I think. Off the top of my head, the Geara Zulu comes to mind, using machine guns and such.
Essentially all of Zeon’s refurbished mobile suits from prior to the first Neo Zeon War. They either patch them up and use them as is, update them with modern tech so they’re somewhat up to speed, or make whatever upgrades to armor and thrusters to try to stay relevant in the times. Ultimately in the end, it’s an old machine still using old weapons from machineguns, bazookas, grenades, and superheated blades.
I can say for one thing, any mobile suit (old or new) still carrying a sturm faust is a mobile suit of culture.
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Just throwing a innocent question: Which capital ship(from across all gundam series) you think is most heavily armed and ready for sustained combat? Which one has the best service record?
Best service record has to be the Argama, the Nahel Argama or somthing from IBO.
@@Stoicswimfish The Archangel from Seed and Destiny had a pretty good track record, since it made it through both Bloody Valentine Wars in decent shape. It also had a lot of firepower, notably the positron cannon, and the Laminate Armor to keep it intact. It also was a pretty even match with the newer Minerva, and with the advantage of being able to submerge, and exploit the "Beams don't work underwater" with it's more varied weaponry.
Ptolemaios II from Gundam 00 for heavily armed and sustained combat. The ship can enter and leave atmosphere on its own has a GN field to deal with projectiles and a large amount of guns. As for service record Nahel Argama was in service for about 8 years which is the longest of any ship has been in service in Gundam.
Edit: forgot the Diva from age which was in service for about 50 years so yeah that gets service record.
What would you consider the line between a battle ship, and a space station? In Gundam Wing, they refer to Libra as a battle ship, and that thing is pretty insanely armed, even discounting its unrelable main weapon, it carries thousands of mobile suits/dolls and has a huge number of defensive guns.
@@brettwood1351 Forgot about that ship, not a fan of seed. So yeah, 3 named ships with a open door for many more. Got the start for a good vid essay here.
I wonder what happened to the Gouf heavy arms that was supposed to be in the attack on Thorton I heard it got lost
And what is the Alice system and how dangerous is it ?
You mean the Alice onboard AI inside the Superior Gundam?
@@SoulstrikerV the same the one that helped a rookie pilot destroy three FAZZs with ace pilots
Alice was an A.I. developed to replace human pilots during the events of Gundam Sentinel. She was designed to learn and developed along side her pilot by collecting data until eventually she is able to completely control the mobile suit she is attached to. As for how dangerous she is to enemies extremely and to the pilot not at all. Alice was responsible for all of the S Gundam's major kills against the New Decides.
It got lost and gave up to help rebuild a destroyed city and then learned that said city was torrington and I’m pretty this info is from a gundam try age card
@@ramiuschun9288 so the opposite of the exam system and the hades
It can't be the Grey Phantom. It is listed as destroyed during the Naval Review. Not damaged, destroyed.
Even if it wasn't fully destroyed, but lost all hands... What, it drifted from Solomon, unmanned, entered Earth Atmosphere at an angle that permits re-entry, unmanned, and just politely wedged itself there, all without ever being discovered in this process?
It has to be another Pegasus-class ship of the same LINE as the Grey Phantom.
The Troy Horse would be a good candidate, given it's largely unaccounted for, but it could just as easily be an unnamed Pegasus class carrier..
i have a question :
1. What is Mars Zeon, also when did they actually established? in F90 they canonically appear in year 0122 but in Advanced of Zeta the Mars Zeon was already appear in year 0080 a year after One Year War, so which one of it is the Canon, the F90 Manga and Video Game or Advanced of Zeta Light Novel and Manga?
2. Are TR Series Canon, it is Canon why the Titans Mobile Suit based on TR-Series are Pathetically Weak in Comparison
3. Is Buff Clan from Ideon are the Progenitor of the Newtype?
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I'd imagine that the Feds know about it, most likely after whatever happened to get her there they sent an assessment team who deemed her a total loss and just left her. As for why they didn't strip her of parts I'd guess that factors like accessibility, cost and it being low priority were at play. We don't get a good view of the entire crash site so we've no idea how difficult it is to get to (The little bridges to the ship notwithstanding), there does seem to be a trail of some sort in the first shot but as the camera pans it seem either to just be part of the mountain or not very close to the site with a steep valley in between, so if the only way to easilly access the ship is by air then I could see the Feds just not bothering due to how expensive such a salvage would be. It's also not going anywhere anytime soon and they have other things to worry about that said we never see the interior it's possible that a demo team was sent in to render her inoperable note that they don't seem to be using the catapult just the deck lights.
UC Mechanical art director Genma Nobuhiko calls it grey phantom in an interview on the magazine Great Mechanics DX19. But it might be a generalization.
My personal theory for why the federation didn’t strip or scuttle it is just simply brain dead bureaucracy. Wouldn’t even the dumbest mistake the federation government has ever made. (Looking at you Char’s counter attack)
Seeing it's location, I can't help but wonder if the ship was searching for remnants much like the Albion on 0083, perhaps in the same mission, as they mention in 0083 other ships are searching for the Gp02. I would assume that much like the Albion they found remnants but unlike the Albion they were unable to fend them off. Likely the ship got caught in an ambush, it's engines were hit and as it tried to gain elevation it ultimately crashed into the mountain. The ship probably got stripped by the Fed after the battle and then later remnants would return to claim it once the heat died down. That's my theory.
You are giving the Federation too much credit. The Federation didn't even check Axis for any leftover weapons or mobile suits. Turns out Char and Amuro can just go inside and there are tons of free bazookas and machine guns all over the place! And even after Char failed to drop Axis on Earth, turns out there are leftover Neo Zeon mobile armors and mobile sutis still inside it. Would not surprise me if the Quin Mantha is still floating around inside Axis because the Federation forgot about it.
From the MS that leave the ship I would guess it was being used during the First Neo Zeon war. Most likely got ambushed and crash landed into mountain. Why the Feds left it, well the Neo Zeon invasion probably kept them busy. I’m mean heck we have MS break out of a castle that was used as a Neo Zeon base during the invasion, how did the Feds miss that.
In the Return of Johny Riden manga, it was revealed that EF Navy keep Zeon remnant around so the the Navy could continue to ask for more funding.
I think this is the same deal.
The Spartan maybe? Idk just a wild guess🤷🏼♂️
Question: who did the illustrations for the posters of the original 3 Gundam films?
If history tells us anything, expensive units sometimes get used a LOT longer than they were ever intended too...and maybe it just crashed from mechanical failure after years of use and wasnt worth the repair. Thats my guess.
I feel the ship was most likely on Earth when it crashed. I feel if it came down from space it would have done more damage to the spot it crashed and most likely wouldn't be in such good shape. The way it rests on those cliffs it almost looks like someone backed it up there. Making me really think it was a trap or a lure for the Zeon forces as at the time they wouldn't have the time or means to place it there. So I do like the theory the Feddies left it there for Zeon in a sense of know where their enemies are. Or a Zeon sympathizer inside the Federation was covering it up for them. Either way all I can do is rule out it came from space.
Watching this video I’d say it’s probably an unnamed pegasus class that was taken down on earth because I can’t see a non functioning ship surviving reentry and then crashing while still keeping it’s general form.
I wonder if it is the ship,from stardust memory,which had gpo1/ fb and some how got there?
I think those remnants attempted to hijack it, but in the process it got too damaged and was forced to crash land. And the Feds likely couldn't find it because of M-particle's deployed during the hijacking.
7:05 I think that it had an encounter with the Sinanju and Rozen Zulu after they took out the GR
The lone Rozen Zulu killed the majority of the mobile suits
The Sinanju damaged the ship so bad that the only way to escape was atmospheric re-entry.
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I always thought the ship looked like the Albion from 0083
Judging by the way it's resting and the unpainted sheets of metal covering over obvious damage from an attack and how little sign of visible rust it looks like it was downed around Zeta or Double Zeta series and the battle took place within the Earth's atmosphere.
Considering how chaotic a time that was for the Federation an old ship being sunk somewhere in the middle of Southeast Asia wouldn't be that big of a priority.
I doubt Gundam era warships would be built with iron. Not all metals rust. And since we know people were squatting in it, then they were probably also keeping it in better shape than if it were just sitting there being rained on for 20 years.
The theory you talked about makes since and fits with a plot point in unicorn when someone told Banangher that the Federation allows the sleeves to remain active so they have a boogie man to show the people to keep the power so while it isn’t a hard fact answer the theory does work with that plot point for the time of unicorn
Could you also make a video about the SCV-73 Blanc Rival?
I think it's quite telling that in the shot where usually with that class of ship we would be able to see its name painted on, there's a very convienient bush blocking our view of where it would usually be. This kinda implies that the animators and writers probably didn't have a specific ship in mind, just a crashed era-appropriate mobile-suit carrying ship
My theory: It’s a false flag ship. Reminiscent of the Camouf, it’s not truly a Pegasus class but a base or other ship made/retrofitted to look like a fallen Pegasus so no one would think twice about it. It would also explain why the federation didn’t look for it; it wasn’t part of their roster.
You know you got a point there. These are Neo Zeon remnants, seems like a useful thing to set an ambush for.
question: did hathaway killed/destroyed any zeon enemy during CCA? or did he just killed chan (re-gz) coz in hathaway flash a fed captain is so impressed w/ him because of his "accomplishments" (anime only) as a young pilot.
In the manga it was Hathaway that killed quess when he tried to disable her so they can retconn that in
Or bright might have tampered the jeagan to have Hathaway be the one that killed quess so they don't arrest him for teamkilling
For the "why did the federation leave it be" maybe when it crashed the federation did dismantle everything usefull but left the structure due to lack of time or manpower at the time and forgot about it, and the zeon remnants restored it to use it as a base
Here's a question of the week, what was the most powerful Pegasus class cruiser during and after the one year war, which had the best combat combat record and which had the best mobile suits?
Combat record: White Base>thoroughbred>albion>>>>>>>>>>>grey phantom
Best MS: Albion>thoroughbred>grey phantom>white base
I feel like the production team just put that in there for no real reason. Only for "hey how the hell did that get there!" More or less. It would have been more surprising if it was the Albion instead
Unicorn is all about cameos, whether or not they make sense. So yes.
I don't think a nuclear blast at Solomon is enough to send a ship crashing all the way down to Earth
During the first Neo Zeon war the few surviving Titans decided to support Haman (i always found this amusing, but i guess they had their back on the wall at that point) and that's why some of their units ended up in their hand. That Pegasus class (which in my opinion was a sister ship of the Gray Phantom and not a ship seen in other previous works) was probably a reactivated mothballed ship operated by a skeleton crew of Titans survivors and a more numerous complement of Neo Zeon and Zeon remnants. While outdated, the Minovsky Craft surely was advantageous on Earth, but it was probably shot down during the conflict. Crucially it's seen launching an heterogeneous group of Marasai and OYW Zaku Cannons. The third theory explains not only why it's still there, but also why so many Zeon remnants cells were still active.
It would of likely crashed somewhere around the grypse conflict considering the mobile suits used by the remmants were Titans machines. Zeon remmeants wouldn't have Titans weapons unless scavenged (like from a warship)
I have a Question, Why the Phase Shift armor of the Strike Rouge becomes Blue and White (Like the original Strike colors) when kira use the Strike Booster?
In reference to your question, are the packs utilized exactly the same? I think that color variation had something to do with the booster pack equipped (such as power draw) which was covered in a video made by someone else.
@@jasonblack-joseph1305 I look in to the gundam Wiki, I dont now why i didn't look there earlier, it seems like the color change is because the Strike Rouge was modified to Kira's specifications by configuring the suit's Phase Shift armor to reflect the original Strike's colors, and after that the Strike Booster Thing Happens.
Unicorn is official Fan fiction.
Could also be the case that the Pegasus class was in a country that secretly support the Zeon remnants or wasnt officially part of the EF. (Like that one nation in Gundam Thunderbolt that was using Mackies and Goufs)
Another theory could be that it was in such a remote location and that the EF really didnt have that tight of a control over that region.... i mean even back during operation Stardust where the EF was at its strongest point they had issues locating and eliminating Zeon Remnant forces like the base in Africa. Seemed that before the Gundam heist they simply couldnt locate it.
The South Seas Alliance.
@@KillerOrca Thanks! Didnt remember the actual name
My personal belief is that not necessarily any Pegasus-class we know of. We know that the main leadership of the Titans had deliberately kept a chunk of the Federation's forces away from the 0083 naval review, in anticipation for the nuke that they knew were going to hit the moderates in charge of the naval review. Giving the nuke to the Gundam was part of the Jamitov faction's plans to bait out Zeon after all. So it's probably a Pegasus-class kept by the Titans, perhaps shot down during the confusion of the Gryps war. The area surrounding the mountain looks to have rice paddies and lots of nature, giving off the impression that its location is in China or Japan, maybe Vietnam.
Who end of Jaburo by the Titans hit the Federations Force? In Gundam Origin, they show Brasília and Manaus, reciev a lot of money to make the giant undermontain base, he blowup by the Titans made Fed Lose some factorys and MS Knowhow?
Suggestion for a question of the week: How did Zeon remnant groups last on Earth for such a long period of time after the OYW invasion?
They're still out there in UC0096. I only partially buy the argument according to which the Feds want them so they can have an enemy to fight. I think that's true in space, where the Feds are obsessed with projecting their power, but they are completely uninterested in administering Earth, except maybe some regions. So if they're not getting handouts from the Renpo, what's keeping them in the fight? Loyalty to Gihren? To old Deikun? Handouts from the Vist foundation? Just plain old spite?
At the end of the OYW, large areas of the Earth were still under Zeon control, such as the southeastern United States, Southeast Asia, Northern Africa, etc. The short timeframe of the war, the rushed retreat of Zeon forces after Odessa, and how sudden the peace treaty actually was, meant that a significant amount of territory was still under Zeon control on January 1 0080, with a large number of Zeon soldiers, Zeon sympathizers, and Zeon equipment still on the ground. Low-key Zeon resistance continued on for years, interspersed with the bigger moments like Operation Stardust in 0083. By 0096, there was very little left, but not nothing. Frankly, I'd not be surprised if wars on the scale of the US-Iraq war of 2003 were common between 0080 and the First Neo Zeon War... because there was a *lot* of stuff left over on Earth.
Maybe this "Pegasus class" ship got hijacked by some Zeon remnant and at some point the ship's engine was breakdown, so the Zeon remnant repurpose the ship as some kind of operating base.
I want this to be an OVA! Okay, you've got a group of Zeon forces on Earth shortly after the end of the OYW, but they've been out of contact, they don't believe the Federation "propaganda" about an armistice or anything. They are based in that town we see in the background from the Unicorn clip. Said town is mostly Zeon sympathizers and their families. They had been scouting out a smaller Federation ship building facility being used for low production, high cost warships on the other side of the mountain range, they launch an attack on it to either capture or destroy one of those ships.
They attack, defeat the surprised federal forces who were celebrating the end of the war and steal the ship. But the ship wasn't quite finished, with portions of its engines still exposed. And further, the Zeon forces took losses during the attack and weren't quite able to defend the ship well. During the escape, Federal reinforcements managed to damage the engines and witness what appears to be the ship crashing and blowing up on the other side of a mountain. They report the ship destroyed and leave because they are low on fuel and honestly don't care much because the war is over and they are exhausted.
But the explosion the Federal forces witnessed wasn't the ship but a few missiles that the Zeeks had dropped, hoping to confuse their pursuit.
While trying to repair the ship or considering escape, they finally receive word that the war is indeed over. But they have no way to return to space and decide to remain there for the time being. Since the town is full of mostly Zeon sympathizers, they do not report the ship to the Federal government.
How's that? Think Bandai will hire me?
I thought it was the Albion from 0083. Back when episode 4 of the Unicorn OVA released, I saw on a website (cannot remember which) that was saying which Mobile Suits and crafts were shown and where they were originally from (both Federation and Zeon). The Pegasus-class was said to be the Albion.
Suggestion for *'Question of the Week'*: How was it that Coordinators had less advanced looking tech than the Earth Alliance? Throughout all of SEED, Coordinators are said to be super intelligent and have advanced technology compared to Naturals. Yet the Earth Alliance had the most advanced looking tech (Phase Shift Armour, Ablative Gel, Lightwave Barrier, beam weaponry, etc.). Sure ZAFT had Mobile Suits before the Alliance, but when comparing the two sides one has more in terms of advanced tech than the other. Personally I think this is due to bad writing. Characters continuously bring up that Coordinators are amazing at everything and have super... everything, but the inconsistencies are caused by the writing. Yes I'm aware that some Naturals can be as smart as Coordinators but my point still stands, since it'd be only some Naturals compared to all Coordinators if we're going by the writing where they established that ALL Coordinators are as they say they are.
I highly doubt any ship would be so relatively in-tact if it was vaporized by a nuke, and drifted from deep space, re-entered the atmosphere, and crash landed into a mountain. I mean look at how much Island Iffish broke up during re-entry, or for a real life example, Space Shuttle Columbia, which was pretty much completely vaporized during re-entry. Logically, it can only be another ship that was already on Earth to begin with.
Why does rx-78-2 color scheme mean?
It was for a toy team up with clover who was a toy company. They said to add samurai elements to the gundam and make its color scheme more toyetic, when the design was made they made it in the rx 78 3 colors because it was more realistic but had to make it the other colors for the toys
The toys actually failed as they where bad but the design was popular and the colors where actually liked, but many people including my self, prefere the rx 78 3 colors
The Minovsky interference seems less likely than the fan theory, because the blackout would give them something to look into. Kinda like the HRL and their duplex comms net to catch Celestial Being in 00.
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Hi Kakarot197, I recently started to get into Gundam manga but got overwhelmed with the amount that's out there. I was wondering if you had any recommendations on where to start, preferably in the UC. Keep up with the great videos!
There's always the other explanation...
...Newtype Psychoframe Char-spirit shenaniganry did it.
I feel like the federation didn't care about some regions on earth and just didn't have any local forces or surveillance to track down so many neo Zeon remnants. Like even in ZZ Gundam we see the blue team and Africa liberation front who use zeon Ms as well as actual zeon remnants operating that early and they had almost no resistance for an active rebellion so I feel the federation is just very lax and uncaring for the most part until their major bases come under attack.
I think its just being completely overgrown by vegitation... as for it functionality, it is fully possible that it was fully stripped of its tech... but to point something rather small out... those fields down below it... the landscape... what if the federation had originally left it to a certain small village to scavenge? the one year war was rather harsh on one village, that the federation got help from in the 08th ms team... blowing up a non functional ship near such a village would probably not go to well... and hauling that much metal out of what seems to be a rough spot to reach? its not cost effective...
and all we see is power to one launch bay.. i figure remnants moved in on it, because it wasnt enough to continue to pull attention.
My theory:
The ship’s captain was drunk on his job so are his crew, and they crash landed it all the way from Solomon, good thing it has the ability to enter the atmosphere but the Feddies were too embarrassed to announce what has just happened and decided to silence all media and information about it, therefore leaving that ship there.
Its almost like an unsolved mysteries episode... lol, Great Video.
Gundam Mystery File: Unknown Pegasus Class Crash Site
To me, it looks like it crashed from within the Earths Atmosphere. Since it doesn't look like it through a uncontrolled decent from Space. 1) No Impact Crater 2) Can't see any burn marks from reentry. However the Plant Overgrowth, Rain and humans may explain that. Im curious as to what happened to the federation crew that was on board before its demise.
Kakarot will you do a video on the origins of Full Frontal and why he has a part of Char’s soul (the part that couldn’t move pass Lalah’s Death)
Wasn't "Grey Phantom" the ship type and not the specific designation? I thought it went: Pegasus Class, Grey Phantom Type: Ship Name. Maybe I'm wrong. Also I just assumed there were several Pegasus classes made. Great video though! Glad I found your channel!
Question: What's up with the different Full Armor Gundams? Like the Thunderbolt and the one that was only debatably built? The Full Armor designation feels weird, like the Full Armor ZZ and the FAZZ?
Interesting thoughts on the crashed Pegasus-class mystery ship,everyone. :)
Just thought I’d throw my crazy theory into the mix, keeping military thinking and history in mind.
First question… How did it get there? Most likely a controlled or semi-controlled emergency landing. A completely uncontrolled fall would likely have caused the hull to “pancake”. An uncontrolled de-orbit fall would likely leave a crater.
Okay… the ship has crashed, now what? Again, most likely a combat situation. Surviving crew: Render aid to injured shipmates. Destroy classified materials. (Communication crypto gear, classified documents, battle plans, etc.) Signal friendly forces for rescue/evacuation.
The decision to destroy the ship or try to salvage it would most likely be left to higher military authority. And due to the severity of the ongoing military situation, such a decision might take some time.
Why was the ship abandoned? Chances are, the EFSF probably catalogued the wreck, and after a time, some overworked government bureaucrat glanced at the report for five seconds and decided that it wasn’t wort the effort to deal with. Keep in mind the devastation the Earth has suffered since the start of the One Year War: Loss of major population centers, damage to industry, economic chaos, large masses of humanity exterminated, entire populations uprooted and forcibly relocated. With all the problems on the government’s plate, a wrecked spaceship hull (one of thousands dotting the surface of the planet) carries little or no priority at all.
Why are the people living on it not a cause for concern? Again, damage to the Earth, uprooted populations, etc. An EFF aircraft flying over the wreckage and seeing signs of human habitation would merely see a scene that is repeated all over the world… Desperate survivors in remote locations using abandoned military equipment or bases as shelter. As long as you don’t stage a daily parade of the Zeon Remnant mobile suits and attract attention, who is going to care?
I base these theories on historical situations where similar events have occurred. Then I compare our historical facts to the fictional UC timeline.
The cost of dealing with the aftermath of war has always been weighed against the benefits. Look at how European countries deal with WW1 and WW2 duds. The continent is littered with unexploded bombs, landmines, explosive shells and gas shells. It’s too difficult and costly to find it all, so, if you’re a Londoner planting a vegetable garden and accidentally uncover a 500 pounder bomb, just let the authorities know. They’ll deal with it. Nothing else can really be done.
Even large well-known dangers are left alone without action. One of the massive underground explosive piles from the Battle of Messines Ridge (1917) was a dud. It’s been abandoned in place due to the fear that trying to excavate it could set it off. They deal with it by essentially just putting up a sign that says (In effect) “Big boom located underneath you. Please don’t do stupidness, Love, Belgium.” If that pile did detonate, the blast would probably be larger than the recent tragedy in Beirut.
Tread lightly when visiting Messines.
Dealing with battlefield wreckage from WW2 has been spotty. In economically resurgent areas, the litter of war is quickly tidied up. However, in remote areas, the litter persists. Abandoned tanks and planes still litter the deserts of North Africa and the Islands of the Pacific. Sunken ships are quickly cleared when they pose a threat to commerce in economically vital shipping ports, But, in remote areas, entire fleets are left to rot. (Truk Lagoon)
Look at abandoned megastructures left over from the war. They still exist because destroying them is too costly. Some are repurposed, some are left to rot in place. The Atlantic Wall fortifications and the La Rochelle submarine pens come instantly to mind. Event the famous Nuremberg grandstand that Hitler used for his pre-war rallies still exists. It’s now used as the front straight grandstand at the Norisring auto racing track. (Seriously! Just look up an auto race at Norisring on youtube! you’ll recognize the grandstand from WW2 instantly!)
Now, take our history, and our behavior towards the wreckage of our world wars, and superimpose those solutions on the aftermath of the One-Year War… a war that created more than 100x the damage to the Earth than all previous wars put together. Can you imagine the amount of abandoned military property, weapons caches, fortifications, and destructive devices of all sorts that are just lying around after that war? With all that chaos, destruction and ruin, I’m not surprised that Zeon Remnants could easily “hide in plain sight”.
I think it could be the Albion. The Albion isn't seen past UC 0083. Most of the stuff from Operation Stardust was hastily gotten rid of, so it's possible that to cover up the equipment for GP-02 (and the Federation's role in developing nuclear armed mobile suits) that they scuttled it by ramming it into a mountain. If Zeon took up residence in it, so much the better; any material about the nukes and GP-02 would be clearly the fault of Zeon Remnants, and not the EFSF.
My theory is that the EFF had big priorities to deal with. I just finished watching ZZ and while watching it I noticed 2 things
1. Earth looks very deserted. We only see two major cities in ZZ and that’s Dakar and Norway. And Norway gets crushed by a colony.
2. Hardly any presents of the EFF. They showed only 2 or 3 G.M. Protecting the capital. It’s almost as if the federation was whipped out. I know the gryps war just ended but that conflict was mainly fought by the Titans, Neo zeon, and AEUG. What happened to the EFF standard forces?
What Im trying to get at is I think after the events of ZZ and chars counter attack the EFF are trying to reorganize themselves, trying to build up their army again and probably staying and protecting the last of earth’s city’s and strongholds.
There maybe some small parts of earth that are abandoned like this Pegasus cruiser.
Too intact to have fallen from Space.
No underside burning from re-entry or bow burning.
Likely sunk in One Year War. Crew intentionally ran it aground, then abandoned it. Post-War was stripped of all useful components, but hull left intact for later scrapping.
Location made scrapping too costly and dangerous. So ultimately abandoned as was.
Not unheard of, refer to Honda Point Tragedy and how long scrapping of those ships took.
Since the ship would have been left largely intact, though stripped of all useful parts, the Zeon Remnants probably salvaged what they needed.
Given that they launched Mobile Suit Support Flyer Craft, possibly an Origins Pegasus and not Original Timeline.
That said, Zeon Remnants salvaged where they could and rebuilt the some sections, supplying power likely from a salvaged Gaw Reactor and using removed components from Pegasus ships refitted or decommissioned.
Wouldn't need much. Just enough to get some critical areas running again. Otherwise, she's a houseboat aground.
I got a question 4u 2 answer, Kakarot197. Would u explain how the Gundam Alex from War in the Pocket became the Gundam Tristan in Twilight Axis? Even though they look like 2 separate Gundams, how come both of them r still the same mobile suit?
How does EF names their weapons like egh364 beamrifle what does letters and numbers mean ❤
I just watched the Development History of the Guncannon vid and was wondering what the TH decal on the right shoulder of the Guncannon Mass Production type Unit 6 stood for... Troy Horse!
With the fact that the Guncannon Mass Production type saw a limited production, the Troy Horse = Gray Phantom doesn't sound too implausible.
I have to do this, I have to ask, please give us a Pegasus class development history video! If possible, including the Argama line! I don't know if there is any proof to the idea, but I feel like they must be connected. Or, if there's not enough material for that, maybe QOTW, what was the connection, if any, between the Pegasus class and the Argama class?
I have a theory about this ship: It could be that Zeon remnant allies, within the Federal government/military, reported that the ship HAD been stripped and was little more than an empty hulk. The Federation then simply hadn't gotten around to cleaning it up further. Those same spies within the Federation could have been diverting resources to clean up other war wreckage in other locations to keep this base protected. Also remember that the Earth had been through the OYW, the, the Gryps conflict and first Neo-Zeon war. It had 3 colony drops by this point, Operation British, Operation Stardust, and the colony drop by Neo Zeon during the first war. So the Federation government was probably scrambling to keep the Earth from falling into total nuclear winter and considered trashed warships a much lower cleanup priority. Consider that after WW2, it took decades to clean up all the destroyed planes, tanks, minefields, ships and other vehicles and bunkers, shelters, pillboxes etc etc. And the OYW and other conflicts were arguably larger in scale than WW2.
I also don't think this ship is any of the ships you mentioned. I think it's another Pegasus class vessel that we simply don't know the story for.
IIRC that was also with Earth Naval Force (the SEA Ships not the SPACE ones) that they were leaving Zeon Remnats alone so there is a REASON to have battleships not deconstructed and keeping geting $$$ for the "peace keeping".
Not sure if that was from Return of Johnny Ridden manga or from some other one.
Trying to remember: Did you already cover the Mobile Suits/Armors that ALMOST were? I can think of two of the top of my head: the Gyan variants from Ghiren's Greed, and the Monoeye Gundam.
Who would be the most beneficial online streaming service to buy out or into Bandai, for bringing Gundam worldwide: Amazon, Hulu, Disney, or Netflix...?
I truly believe in the military industrial complex theory. It’s the only idea that makes any sense given how exposed they are.
I would like to know the history of some mass production mobile suits like mass production Rx-94 Nu gundam and mass production ZZ gundam. Can I also suggest another big project, which is the history of psycommu weapons as those goes hand in hand with new type and old type rivalry in UC. I also agree with EFF keeping the enemy close by for budget and power status quo theory. As war is a lucrative business that keeps companies like Anaheim to thrive. More power with the channel.
In the sub for 0079 that I watched Zeon called The White Base "Trojan Horse" and the Federation called The White Base well... The White Base...
I think its a bunch of people with different and various ideas not coordinating with each other and in the end they just said screw it that's the Grey Phantom. Because if you think about it logically there's no way that ship can be the Grey Phantom as it was at the Naval review in 0083 and of course the GP02 nuked the hell out of Solomon. This by all accounts should have destroyed the Grey Phantom but lets entertain the thought of if it had not. Somehow it managed it's way all the way from Solomon back to Earth without being salvaged by either Zeon Remnants or the Federation? Unlikely. Secondly while the Federation designed many of those special ships to be able to me atmospheric re-entry I find it hard to believe one that just survived a nuclear blast and heavily damaged to survive re-entry. Still entertaining that if IT DID make it though now it's plummeting down to Earth and just HAPPENS to crash RIGHT in the spot and get stuck perfectly and mostly in tact?
No way the impact site would look way different and that ship would have been a debris field on the mountainside. This can only mean that ship is the Troy Horse with the Stallion and the Grey Phantom having been destroyed at Solomon. I'm going to take a wild jab and assume for whatever reason the Troy Horse took part in an operation or was ambushed in that mountain region and it was attempting to make some kind of reverse maneuver and ended up getting stuck. Or it was ambushed and Zeon Remnants were unable to park it successfully on the mountain side crashing it. This is the only logical explanation for that ship. The ONLY way they are going to be able to stick to their guns that this is the Grey Phantom is if they later on elaborate how it got there in the first place. Which I can logically assume it somehow survived Operation Stardust and was repaired and then later ended up there. If not I'm going to always claim this wreck is the Troy Horse.
I think the animators went for cool over practical because you can see what might be roads on the land around the mountain. In-universe, we know the Federation's upper brass wasn't adverse to dealing with the remnants so they could've bargained continued attacks by the local forces in exchange for a base and supplies. Nobody would miss such an old ship so they deliberately crashed it there.
For my question: What happened to Dorel Ronah (Berah's half-brother) after the events of F91? He seems to just vanish because he isn't mentioned in any of the Crossbone manga as far as I know.
1) It is probably another unnamed Pegasus-Class ship
2) If that was one of two Pegasus-Class ship on that Naval Review in 0083 when the nuke happen, it probably would be obliterated completely
3) Again with the 0083 theory, you need to consider the distance between Solomon (Konpei Island if you are a filthy Feddie) and earth are very far so it is not likely for the ship to survive the nuke and drift towards earth and even if it did, any surviving crew members first instinct is to head to the moon or the nearby La Vie En Rose for repairs.
4) Like most commentator said, if it survive and drifting to earth, it would be burn up instantly.
5) So the only theory I can think of is probably this unnamed ship was shot down during the One Year War when most of the battle have shifted to space and the Federation are simply doing a sweep up of any scattered Zeon with what little forces they could spare and probably use a Pegasus-Class ship as a Propaganda Tool to frighten the Zeon forces (The White Base was pretty famous as the Trojan Horse that Char Aznable could not sank) but was shot down by Zeon forces. As you can see there are villagers there so in a tactical way of hiding their forces, the village on the ruined ship are used as a front act to fool any Federation forces trying to investigate the crash site and deem it unsalvageble (They might think the villagers got there first and already gutted it down for any scrap but in reality it is probably the Zeon Remnant who does the gutting of the ship)
Could you do an episode about the production history of zeon mobile armors like the Val Walo, Elmeth, Braw Bro, Zakrello, Bigro ,and the Adzam. just found your channel love your content
For Question of the Week: What exactly is a Bio-Brain? and How do they function and even compare to their Original Counterparts?
Maybe the ship is already demilitarized by the trail that is seen. It explains why she is there and not being used against Torrington. It was probably cheaper leaving her there but stripped of reactor, weapons, ammo, etc than it was to do that and then scrapping her. As to how she got there; maybe a controlled crash during ANY WAR between 0079-0096.
Left this question a few times, but figure I’ll keep dropping it until I get an answer.
There are several apparent development lines between thunderbolt, the origin, and mainline canon material for both Zeon and the Federation. Is there any way to reconcile them all?
While I’m here, I thought of another one. I know Gundam has played a part in influencing the designs of several franchises, Halo being the first to spring to mind, and Pacific Rim following closely. Could you compile some of the other big names with acknowledged connections to Gundam?
The thing is, the state of the surface of the Earth is weird in the Universal Century due to not just the "normal" climate change, but also lots of space debris due to numerous space battles... and colony drops. There's entire sections of colony wall that can be used by rebel groups as bases, not to mention entire flooded, ruined cities. The geography itself has changed enough that world maps needed updating. So a single intact ship might not be as noticeable as one would think, especially if it's also been converted into living space by civilians.
As for the conspiracy theory that the ship was a bit of a trap? Well the Torrington base forces were getting their asses kicked until reinforcements arrived. So that was an awfully large waste or people and resources. ...Unless the theory is ALSO that the Federation did that to get rid of obsolete hardware in a way that makes requesting more resources more plausible. "Gosh, those Zeon remnants keep blowing up our leftover, old GM IIs! We just HAVE to have increased military funding for more shiny new Jestas!"