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00:00:00 Teasers / Intro
00:00:59 Ben Shapiro vs Rothbone
00:08:22 Ana Kasparian refues to vote Biden
00:12:57 Piers Morgan vs Bassem Youssef
00:36:27 Netanyahu on Lex Fridman
01:07:36 Jared Kushner on Lex Fridman
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I'm like 10 minutes into this.
1. If Israel started killing tens of thousands of Palestinians, then they would not only lose support from the international community, but arab states would gas them(Iran). They are trying to be subtle about it and do as much as they can get away with.
2. Hamas are the ones with the rockets, if they are willing to use their citizens as human shields, is it crazy to think that they would not share their rocket oil with their civilian population?
So I was getting bullied in 8th grade. I'd get harassed and did nothing and the harassment continued. I popped the dude in the face when he pushed me in the locker room and suddenly the harassment stopped.
i love how destiny came around to argue for any side..but you can see he is more and more exposing Israel propaganda vs others
I think fuel for rockets is basically just sugar and fertilizer.
fyi, the enormous casualty figures in Dresden were more a result of the firestorm created by the concentrated bombing, than the explosive effects of individual explosions.
The idea that Israel is indiscriminately bombing Gaza is not undermined by the apparent small number of deaths caused. I don't know what the total casuality figures are like, but it's a fair bet that if there are 10,000 dead, there could be 50 or 60 thousand injured.
And I think it's important to note that even crazy dudes who want to wipe out Gaza are not going to be too overt. Despite the overwhelming support from the international community, and despite the assertions that there are no red lines - I think making it too obvious what they're doing would be something Israel might consider a political mistake. The way they're going about things, they can still convince their people, and the rest of the world that it's just 'self defence, rather than wilful destruction.
Why hasn't Destiny covered the leaked emails from Netanyahu's office showing that Destiny is a girl's name?
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@fearless2000HD ya had me in the in the beginning there bud lmaoooo
She’s afraid of the truth
Amazin
literally never stops being funny
It should be illegal to play Ben Shapiro at greater than 1x speed
Ben already speaks at 1.5x speed
yeah & itll b a war crime putting their debate on fast forward lol
@@mr.i6527when is that happening?
Destiny and Ben sped up 2× with a dnb bade track..
@@damedusa5107 couple weeks I believe
Who else is looking forward to the Shapiro debate?
I am but I do wish they touched on the Israel conflict but I know Destiny said they aren't.
@@BDiddy010destiny would get absolutely obliterated in an Israel debate with Ben Shapiro. It wouldn’t be fair.
I am. I hope they stick to biden related talks :3
@@BDiddy010 Well their opinions on Israel are kind of close compared to other conflicts.
@@BDiddy010yes, that is the biggest issue at the moment and they won’t even talk about it
The tiktok format of a guy debating himself and one version is getting set up to be stomped is stupid. It’s also an INCREDIBLE metaphor for how people engage with ideas and echo chambers in general
I think we all have embarrassing arguments that we win in our heads while in the shower, but it takes a different kind of shameless to make that argument into a video and post it online
truuuuuuuuu@@pyotrvoitsekhovski9402
Agreed! I hate that cause there is SO much misrepresentation from all sides it makes me want to pull my hair out.
@@pyotrvoitsekhovski9402 This exactly
Agreed I throw up almost every time I hear this dwarf speak and now that it's on faster than normal speed he really sounds like chipmunk in panic 🤮🤮🤮
Fun fact, Israel has had so many operations and wars, that at this point they use a name generator for military operations. So if the names sound ridiculous to you, that's because they're picked at random. Which in itself is ridiculous.
The names of military operations are always kinda goofy. All that really matters is that your side knows what it means.
They arent there to sell movie tickets, dude. Maybe you are spoiled on Operation "Desert Sheild/Storm" sounding cool?
They are meant to be goofy and vague.
@@WillmobilePlus Lol, I'm Israeli. I just think it's funny that there's a military system for naming shit
Lmao like XCOM missions. I figured it was for security reasons. Like if the enemy found out the name of the operation they would not be able to infer anything about it.
@amitthehuman it makes sense though. Operation Red 1 can get mixed up with operation Red 11. A logical naming convention means names get lost when you have a thousand of them.
Operation Poof'n'Shmoop however, kinda sticks... and it's not gonna get mixed up with Operation Fluffenmëister two blocks over.
Everyone brings up the Palestinians that were displaced but never the Jews displaced by Arab nations.
EU and US literally deported Jews to Palestine... 😂
Jews were never deported systematically from Arab countries by the government, unlike what happened to the Muslims and Christians in the past and still happen to Palestinians nowadays
This conflict humbles my knowledge of geopolitics and world history. I love this new calm and measured pace of approaching discourse that Destiny has implemented.
Shoutout to Adderall
I hate the calmness. I love when destiny starts yelling at people and calling them retarded and stoops to their level.
@@mlgfin same, I started watching destiny back in the "bloodsports" era and the content has been on a downward spiral for years now.
I'm a Canadian Armed Forces Veteran and what has always been stupid to me, is whenever there is a conflict in the world is that all of these overly emotional Americans make it it all about themselves and use it as a means to virtue signal to try and masqurade themselves online as insightful when it's just a bunch of burning commentary of bullshit. The Young Turks are ignorant and have the emotional maturity of an 11 year old. Ben Shapiro doesn't know shit eather. The only ones who truely know, understand or care about any of these conflicts are the people who are involve in them directly.
@@HelloPeopleHiilol I came to post this 😂
destiny also needs to prewatch the debate he has with shapiro
"If you know the enemy and know yourself, you need not fear the result of a hundred battles. If you know yourself but not the enemy, for every victory gained you will also suffer a defeat. If you know neither the enemy nor yourself, you will succumb in every battle."
@ 12:20. Yet as an Armenian American she works for the young turks network. Totally consistent.
Does Cenk still deny the Armenian genocide?
Didn't the young turks (Not the news outlet) the ones that perpetrated the Armenian genocide?
Bad point. Why does any black person work with any white person?
Bahahaha true
The Young Turks were a reformist movement in the late Ottoman Empire, the CUP were the ones doing genocide. Some liberal Armenians were part of the movement
Somehow Piers Morgan is the most reasonable person in this video
He's been very reasonable throughout this whole conflict imo
so excited for the shapiro debate. hope it turns out well
Israel is very pro-Kurd and would be highly supportive of a Kurdish state.
Free Palestine from Hamas.
Weak take
@@Tavatcorrect take*
@@Tavat based take.
So what isreal is doing😂
@@TavatObjectively best take
us citizen talking about how easy the history class in israel is... brother, your country is not that old
i cant take a conflict seriously when a leaders name is Bibi, i'll stick to ignorance
Based
Not even mad, super based 😂
based
When Joe Biden was like "I've talked to Bibi in Israel, I brought Sisi to the table from Egypt" I was done with the conflict
@@zacroffs 🤝
43:30 - to be fair, within the region literally every state is a religious ethnostate; a Muslim one. I imagine if you’re a Jew growing up in Israel, you’re going to feel real weird about Islamic nations being anti-Zionist, when they very clearly feel as though they have a right to a religious state of their own.
Israel is literally the number one enthno state. Palestine even if it became Islamic and full blown wouldn't be an ethno state or even as extreme. Your just seeing the whole thing through an American internet lense
@@lazyeye5269Non bias source?
@@OkPe-ww5rsJews and Arabs lived together in Palestine for centuries and they both where Palestinians (you can check out Golda Meir interviews a former Prime minister)..
@@lazyeye5269Israel is not an ethno state, despite the original founding and motivation of it as one. You can become a citizen of Israel as a Christian or Muslim from any part of the world. Cannot say the same about Iran, Syria, Saudi Arabia. These states are all theocratic.
@@joshyman221 ???? zionist state is not an ethno state. just stop with the word play. people are dying this isnt about looking like a cool debate bro.
Didn’t know Zach Galifinakis was so pro-Hamas
he really fell off big time after The Hangover 12
@@DarthLetalis Very clever.
Indiscriminate also means "without careful judgement", and there's a very good case to be made there. Consider the refugee camp, one singular commander targeted and it resulted in 200+ civilian deaths. And then a few weeks later, it turns out he's back from the dead. Indiscriminate is a apt word when you look at the casualties.
@@watching7384 you should really be questioning Israel as they killed their own civilians and added that to the Hamas Oct 7th death toll. First it was 1600. Then 1400, then 1200? 40 beheaded babies that were never found? Countless acts of rape with no testimonies? It's almost as if Israel has a history of lying about its affairs to justify their bloodlust for goyim ("Lavon Affair" for example)
putting Ben on X 1.5 is like a normal person on X 5 speed.
When you hit refresh on the feed to a steaming hot upload from D-Dawg, nice
"I dont hate black people, I just dont think there should be a black nation"
Destiny: "You can totally have that position and be legit!"
Nothing wrong with any of this
Yep, you can not hate black people and be against black nationalism
Actually, it’s okay to say this if you are fundamentally opposed to the proliferation of an ethnostate. If you want to hold that position, you definitely can. I’m anti-ethnostate, so I believe if we frame the argument better, it can stand up to scrutiny.
@@GojiraXR9 Ok. Now name some of these "ethnostates" that you dont like.
Seeing that Iseral is 20% non-Jewish, that shouldn't even be on your list.
What's is the contradicton
the many inaccuracies of Bassem:
1) Population in 1914, 13.6% of Palestine population were Jewish (not 3% as he says in the beginning). In 1947 - 32% were Jews. This is a major distinction. Also - the Jews bought the land from Absentee landowners, many times for extortionate prices, which negates the claim of "theft" of land.
2) King David Hotel Bombing (1946): a couple of facts (Wikipedia): "The hotel was the site of the central offices of the British Mandatory authorities of Palestine, principally the Secretariat of the Government of Palestine and the Headquarters of the British Armed Forces in Palestine and Transjordan."
Casualties: while 91 people were killed, the Irgun called the hotel before to warn civilians to clear away.
Note that out of the 91 people killed 17 were Jews - comes to show it was not ethnically, racially or retaliatory by nature - but an act against the Military presence of the British.
3) Tantura (from Wikipedia). While we should not condone any killing of civilians, the context of the War is important, especially seeing that (quote): "Tantura was part of an Arab enclave cutting off the road from Tel Aviv to Haifa.[18] Following attacks by local Arab villages on Jewish traffic from Tel Aviv to Haifa,[43] on May 9, 1948, the Haganah leadership decided to "expel or subdue" the villages of Kafr Saba, al-Tira, Qaqun, Qalansuwa and Tantura".
Why the hell didnt you finish the USS liberty part?? Ive been wanting to hear his opinion on that for a long ass time, anyone got a vod?
Didn't Netanyahu direct a ton of money and support towards Hamas for a couple of decades now? Didn't he do so specifically because he knew it would ultimately lead to Hamas gaining power, and the PLO not agreeing with Hamas, ultimately sowing animosity among the two prominent Palestinian governments so they wouldn't form a single, unified government that could realistically come to an agreement on a 2 state solution?
Netanyahu has very specifically taken steps to have this EXACT scenario play out so he can do a little casual land-grabbing, and he's done it out in the open for YEARS and people somehow think Israel only has good intentions here? Come on.
Yes, the Jews SECRETLY funded Hamas so they would attack and then the Jews could take it all.
It's all in the Elders of Zion bro. Sure there's a branch of mathematics that is all about how impossible it is to determine complex systems like our society and the people in it but it's all in The Elders of Zion bro.
never seen a halfway decent response to this point from any pro-israel person
Where are you getting all of these motives from Netanyahu?
My understanding is Hamas was allowed to exist because they countered Arafat.
This is borderline conspiratorial unless you have evidence it was Netanyahu intent for Hamas to consistently attack Israel
@@deep_and_profound_topics Cause it's stupid.
Furthermore if I hold a stupid conspiracy theory like "the earth is flat" or "Joe Biden is a lizard" its not up to others to prove me wrong, its up to me to prove im right. I must provide the evidence I'm right.
What proof was there about him sending them money? I’ve heard people say Hamas was Israeli funded but I haven’t seen any proof myself
Destiny really has a shitty take here. Israel's naming scheme for their military ops is fucking 🔥
For real. I'm looking forward to Operation: Shadow Wizard Money Gang
@@IronWill161
Operation: 11th Plague
Operation Thirteenth Black Crusade
Operation: getting happy meals
Heard they're currently planning "Operation: Settlers' Electric Boogaloo"
That cliffhanger with Destiny finding out about the USS liberty as the stream ends lmao
USS liberty isn’t the only false flag they have committed. You have the Levon affair and the king David hotel bombing. Also consider that BBS father served under the prime minister that created Israeli terrorist organizations. And currently, BB is in deep water within Israel for his recent actions and this attack, which was seemingly allowed to happen, was extremely convenient for BB. Make no mistake about it, Mossad is 100% imbedded in Hamas and every terrorist organization. They are imbedded in America at this very moment. They absolutely knew this attack was coming and they allowed it to happen. There is zero reason to believe that the same country that committed those false flags, have somehow changed when their entire history is just subjugation and colonization.
Where can I find the rest of that holy shit i fukin need it
cliffhanger!
Destiny next video: Alluha Akbar!
Pretty sure he was being sarcastic
More TNT tonnage has been dropped on Gaza than on Hiroshima. That nuke killed about 110,000 civilians compared to Israel killing 10,300 total with even more TNT Tonnage (more than 1.5x as much). Is that way too much bombing? It seems likely it could be. Could anyone seriously kill much fewer with that amount of explosive ordinance in a war while pursuing actual military objectives (i.e. not just bombing an empty field)? I'm really not sure, but it's probably possible.
The urethra coalition hypothetical made me lose my shit lmao.
Why does Destiny always say “El Nakba” like it’s Spanish LOL 😂😂😂
Where do you think el in Spanish cane from
@@IH-77The Spanish “el” did not come from the Arabic “Al”
"They crossed the WEST BANK and were on their way to Cairo" lol what? You mean they crossed the Suez.
Is it still August doing these videos? I personally, think the 3 second sections of music at the start of the videos after the intro are a bit weird...
playing kanye in the intro is crazy 😂
Just as I'm sure it'd be easy for me to fall into "lumping" or "blanketing" traps if I were to throw around far left/extreme left labels, I always cringe where anyone takes far/extreme right labels handed out by legacy media outlets at face value nowadays.
@@hijklmnopreaper I'm not a part of the Trump MAGA movement but can you elaborate on exactly what traits fit your claim that it is a fascist movement rather than nationalist and populist one?
@@hijklmnopreaper I see a whole lot of hyperbole there in terms of throwing out words like "coup" and "autocrat". Could one say that the movement resembles some traits? I think you could make a loose case there, but to say it embodied fascism is pretty crazy compared to what actual fascism looked like say in Mussolini's Italy for example. I think traditionalist nationalism and populist are way more accurate descriptors and I'm not saying those are always necessarily better things in and of themselves, but I personally don't see the fascist argument holding serious water. The ego driven strong man figure I'd concede as far as a resemblance claim though.
I'd argue that many of the traits you describe resemble a lot things found in the current neo-Marxist movement within the democrat party. They routinely denied election results and claimed fraud, they hold worse forms of morality purges on university campuses, they are also very prone to conspiracy theories (see Russian collusion, lab leak impossibility) etc. So, many tendencies, but they have no need of a "strong man" figure (Biden can barely hold himself in an upright position) because the party politic and oppression narrative has become all consuming.
On top of that they are continually trying to set up government disinformation boards and establish broader levels of control over social media and now A.I. platforms.
I hate both party driven and personality driven politics. A world where nothing transcends politics becomes depressing and eventually terrifying. I very much dislike Trump, but wherever Trump might have actually drifted authoritarian, at least it wasn't quiet or deceptive... plus it was constantly checked and heavily scrutinized by a national media that hated him.
@@hijklmnopreaper Imo there is no evidence of incitement to insurrection. It's currently being tried in the courts (not the sham hearing democrats ran where they carefully controlled any evidence that was allowed to be presented and then had their speaker select who in the opposition party could be seated with them as well...what a joke) it will be interesting to watch how that goes. I'm definitely not some J6 riot supporter but I also think election integrity is a conveniently dismissed issue by a national media that was caught feeding Clinton questions during debates.
An investigation of political donations and voting by employees within media made it abundantly clear that implicit bias and the corruption of journalistic political impartiality was inevitable. Also ballot stuffing is a known and growing issue. America is very divided and hyper partisan now. It's easy to see how either side is easily and naturally prone to call every single election into question. A desire for investigation that is not entirely without merit. There is a big difference between a rally gone wrong, where the claim of incitement by Trump is implied via heavily partisan interpretation, and an orchestrated coup or insurrection. I think it is way more plausible to view J6 as a rally turned riot that was fueled by national media outlets who had stoked political tension for years leading up to it.
I'd encourage you to do a broader investigation of Jan 6th though. I'm not talking about narratives put out by Trump die hards and right wing conspiracy theory rabbit holes but any investigative sources that are center right as a counter balance to all the claims and representations made by center left figures and outlets.
I forgot where I heard this this but, according to somewhere I already forgotten, the Israeli also lost a lot of their fighter planes in the war against Egypt and getting out of that front is a strategic sound for Israel as well.
Never realized how slow Pierce Morgan talks until Destiney Speed up the video and Comedian sounds like he's speed up Pierce sounds normal lol.
3:30
I feel like a human shield is kinda associated with the terrorist group they are shielding..
Thank you, Destiny, for bringing facts to this insanity. I'm also researching a bunch. I only recently found you. Do you have a website or somewhere we can access your notes on this topic?
Nah, the thing with subordinate betas like destiny is that their only goal is to keep the ship steady, the ship that awards them such a comfortable lifestyle. His response to this conflict proves it. His nature will attack anybody that rocks the boat but will avoid attacking the most powerful aggressor.
Lol these staged rockets and false flag hamas acts. Like hes quoting human shields.. lol..
The reason he believes the mainstream fact-checked BS every time is because to claim conspiring would be an attack on the most powerful, controller of information.
Destiny’s type evolve from the comfort of civilisation but are not the type who understands the true violence of the world, how far the wolves will go to manipulate truth and justify their self-serving and he is certainly not built to take action and commit violence for the purpose of good change and justice, which is WHY he is wired to never rock the boat.
I like his takes on some things but he’s such a subordinate on others.
@@phantasticmrphasma9874bruh why are you so triggered
what notetaking software is Destiny using? I've been using dynalist for a while and really love it for endlessly nested notes
Obsidian
@@swampdonkey152000 Awesome thanks! I didn't realize it was free that's cool
The difference now is that there’s social media and this is happening
What a guy! He is looking for Wikipedia as a source 😂. In academia, you are no way allowed to use Wikipedia as a credible source. The point is here, Wikipedia is a very problematic source of information. Sometimes, you get distorted or politicised, appropriated info.
lol bruh then show what’s better than Wikipedia then
If Destiny asked Shapiro would Israel and her ppl be safer if all Palestinians was gone either genocides or pushed out, what would Shapiros answer be? A truthful yes, or a downplayed maybe
What's the note taking app destiny is using? The one with the black/grey background
obsidian is the name of the app
When he says that Jews were supposed to get a disproportionate amount of land, we might want to analyze the details of the land. Not every square inch of land has the same value.
1:27:28 he’s never heard of the USS Liberty til now?? He’s been around Fuentes for more than 10 minutes
That's what I was thinking. The USS Liberty has been brought up to Destiny by multiple people, including Leftists.
@@Whocaresanymore970 bizarre. Maybe he was pretending to know what it was when brought up previously, or he was pretending to not know now..?
22:10 The Yom Kippur War, also known as the October
War, was fought between Israel and a coalition of
Arab states in 1973. The war began on October
6th and lasted for about three weeks.The war
ended in a ceasefire agreement, with both sides
claiming victory. The Israelis believe that they won
the war because they managed to repel the Arab
coalition's initial surprise attack and then
counterattacked, recapturing much of the territory
that had been lost.On the other hand, the Arab
states argue that they won the war because they
managed to achieve their objectives, which were
to lift the siege on Egypt and to restore the dignity
of the Arab nation. They also believe that they
managed to inflict heavy losses on the lsraeli
army and to bring the issue of Palestine to the
nternational arena.Overall, it is a matter of
perspective. Some people believe that Israel won
the war, while others believe that the Arab states
won the war.
that cliffhanger tho 💀
Do we know what the subject of the Destiny-Shapiro debate will be?
bro goes for wikipedia for sources :( we're doomed
Destiny would see how insane Israel's actions are if Hamas was hiding underneath Israeli Jewish hospitals and apartments.
What noting taking app is that Destiny's using?
A coalition government isn't something mandatory to do, people just do it because it is easier to get their laws through.
For example, in Germany the green party initially wanted to implement a speed limit but in the coaltion the dropped the idea most likely because they negotiated something else for it with the other parties.
If they didn't form a coalition they wouldn't be able to make that kinda negotiations, they would have to openly discuss everything with every party and most likely not get the majority of votes for most of their laws (or at least they would have to fight for it more).
From the river to the sea, destiny is a girls name (HAHAHAHAHAHA)
But Judaism is a race. And whenever I hear say someone say they r def anti Zionist- they usually clearly turn out antisemitic- so in todays times- I rly don’t see a difference between the two.
The term "Zionism" is a Neo-Nazi dog whistle.
Communists are Nazis when you're Jewish.
Not destiny low key justifying what Israel is doing to Gaza right now 😅
I like how it ends at the USS Liberty part
Just because you can predict what someone is going to say doesnt mean theyre wrong
16:25 That's fair to some extent. Jews were backed against a corner, they didn't go there just for religious reasons. Palestinians were part of the losing side on a war, so territorial losses were completely justifiable, especially since the British never tried ethinic cleansing the Palestinians, neither did the jews. There was already jewish presence, they had historical ties and they managed to get the winner of a conflict to side with them. Britain likely got a lot of support from jewish figures in WW1 and paying back your allies after a war is the ethical thing to do. The arab world lost every spec of moral highground when they sided with Hitler, and losing a second world war makes the establishment of Israel 100% justified. They literally tried to work with the power who's major project was the extermination of jews. The British was a lot more friendly towards Palestinians before WW2.
What war did the arabs loose to the british in ww1 and ww2? The arabs fought with the british in ww1 for the promise of an united arab nation, which the british didn't repay even though is the ethical thing to do as you said and in ww2 they were under colonial rule of the british and french, so which war did they loose?
To be fair, the Arabs never sided with Hitler.
@@NovaSoldierthen we should change all borders in the middle east as the british drew them
You are making up history buddy. Look up who the Lawrence of Arabia is, what did he promise the Arabs and what is the Sikes picot agreement.
What? This is not what happened. Do you not know who fought who? Many Arabs fought for the British. Ottomans was allied to Germany in ww1. But that wasn’t a bad moral decision. Completely different Germany to ww2. The rest you seem to be making up
August really digging for content
"Naked Force Has Resolved More Conflicts Throughout History Than Any Other Factor." Starship Troopers.
One of the best and most balanced versions of a Palestinian perspective I've heard. Finally someone not speaking in mantras nor with overbearing moral certainty. More Palestinian supporters need to get people like this out front of the issue instead of the loudest voices out there.
Yeah, they should probably stop giving the microphone to actual anti-Semites.
Destiny is doing whataboutism about everything. (Pretty sure the jew dont have a right to return in any arab country) This man can't focus on a country.
Its like talking about slavery being bad and saying look american was built on it and its working...
They have the same problem as Far Leftists: can't draw the necessary line between them and the radicals.
Its very easy to be a reasonable voice for Palestinians. Because most of the voices for them are bat-shit insane and genocidal.
He’s the best just because the bar is so low. He’s basically just displaying a Facebook boomer’s understanding of the conflict. If Destiny wasn’t so used to hearing Twitter Nazi-tier takes from the pro-Palestinian side he would have torn this guy apart for dumb crap like calling Fatah “grass-smoking hippies” for having a menorah in their logo.
Can't "both sides" the beginning? I don't see why not, really...
Jews and Arabs were both living in Palestine under the Ottoman Empire and that included Ashkenazi Jews. Neither group had sovereignty. People want to point out the ratio of Jew to Arab before the Nakba, but before the British Mandate, the region wasn't divided into any administrative district that resembles Israel or Palestine. So that ratio is defined by borders that didn't exist. When the late-Ottoman Empire began modernizing, they created new forms of property in land, which allowed Zionist groups to buy the land from those who title was registered to. The British inherited and then modified that system of land title.
The problem was that Palestinians living on and working on the land as tenant farmers weren't registered as the land owners, their bosses were, who were large landholders profiting from their investments. So when they sold this land to Zionists, it created huge conflicts because eventually the Labor Zionists decided they weren't going to exploit cheap Palestinian Arab labor. That meant the tenant farmers lost both their homes and livelihoods at the same time. Zionists did this for socialist reasons, for ideological reasons (they thought working the land would heal diaspora Jews through manual labor), and for national reasons. Palestinian Arabs (and a lot of other Arabs) protested against these land sales and escalated their tactics when those protests were unsuccessful. They demanded from the Ottomans and the British an end to Jewish immigration. Sometimes it was limited, sometimes it wasn't, but ultimately Zionists illegally migrated even when it was limited.
Even though Zionists and the Old Yishuv population differed on religious and ideological issues, it's still fundamentally a situation of population expansion. I don't know of any limit that was placed on Arabs migrating to the region. So they could (and they did) buy land too. When the Arab Nationalists were promised sovereignty by the British and French if they helped to overthrow the Ottoman Empire, they agreed and the Arab Revolt was an important component of the decline of the Ottoman Empire. The British and French kept some promises and didn't keep others. But when it came to Palestine itself, the Arab Nationalists didn't propose a single plan for who would be given control. What unified them was a rejection of the Balfour Declaration that was adopted by the UN to guide the UN Partition Plan. As anyone knows, the Zionist Jews accepted the plan and declared their sovereignty in 1948. The reaction we are also all familiar with.
The Nakba itself was terrible, but it doesn't change "the beginning". What is supposed to justify someone's national cause? That it is based on indigeneity? That it is non-violent? That land acquisition came at no one's expense? When there is a transition of power between empires and a power struggle by subjects of those empires for national sovereignty, what are the rules supposed to be?
Where's the rest of the Bassem interview?
43:30 Vatican City is a WHOLE country made out of Christians. Wahahahahaha
Clickbait title downvoting
37:54 the reality in most coalition systems with this super wacky third party that the top 2 don't want to have to deal with is that they can just form a confidence and supply arrangement where the lesser big party will agree to let the bigger party rule for now and they can just discuss and vote on legislation on a case by case basis. The only case where the crazy small party gets involved is if one of them actually kind of aligns with them (usually something like a right wing party aligning with a far right party).
8:13 “W Bush administration” lmfaoooo
It’s so acoustic when destiny listens to sped up conversations
I don’t think Destiny’s counter-argument to Netanyahu lumping anti-semitism and anti-Zionism together was particularly apt here. Bibi’s argument doesn’t assume that by nature of a particular religion existing, it is entitled to its own state - and so Destiny looking for examples of religions without their own state doesn’t necessarily engage with what he is saying.
In the current paradigm, Israel is a state that already exists in a region among several other Muslim countries - but it is only Israel that we debate their right to exist nearly a century later. The drawing of borders via conquest has been acknowledged as legitimate for every other country, including these Muslim countries, but it is uniquely the Jewish state that has to have their statehood challenged.
The argument isn’t that every religion ought to be granted a state, the argument is that only one religion - with only one state in the entire world - is still being argued to have theirs taken away 70+ years later. The inconsistent, unfair logic of modern anti-Zionist thought is what is anti-semitic and only being applied to Jews - and to no one else, nowhere else.
The counter-examples that would be theoretically relevant for this argument would be not religions that were not granted their own state - rather, it’d be other religiously/ethnically unique states that were also retroactively deemed illegitimate.
For the record, I don’t think anti-Zionism and anti-semitism are indistinguishable - they are different, but in this case it’s only a matter of intent. In the same way that someone can be racist or operating on racist logic with no hatred or ill-will, someone can oppose the existence of Israel while using logic against Jews that they would never use in any other context against any other group of people. I agree broadly with what Destiny has said in the past; that this ideological contempt for Israel is more anti-American than anti-Jew - but the outcome is still anti-semitic.
“The drawing of borders via conquest has been acknowledged as legitimate for every other country, including these Muslim countries, but it is uniquely the Jewish state that has to have their statehood challenged.”
So are you arguing for Israel’s right to conquest?
@@joefuckingflacco11tds-0int4 The conquest I am referring to is the British seizing the Mandate of Palestine after the fall of the Ottoman Empire, who then afforded much of that territory to the State of Israel.
I am arguing for the right for Israel to exist to not be retroactively taken away because of a (British) conquest a century ago - an origin story not at all unique to Israel, and is shared among most of the other states in the region (and across the world). The legitimacy of these other countries, that were birthed through nearly identical means, goes largely unquestioned.
Ben is a boys name
Retaliatory action can still be a war crime, dude.
Religions w/o national religion status:
* Shinto 100 million
* Taoism 12-173 million
* Vodoo 60 million
* Sikhism 25-30 million
Judaism 14.7 million
Bassem yousef needs to have a talk with Ben Shapiro.
Not sure Bassem would sit at a table with a Jew.
@@johnmorris8444funny a Jew (Jon Stewart) made him famous in the west 😂😂
@@foo0socks boy, better not tell him Jon is a Jew then. Might have to watch those interviews. See if it takes him longer than 3 sentences to bring up Jews and how evil they are. Guy must be terrible at parties the way he steers every conversation to Jews.
@@johnmorris8444this is a stupid comment
@@hijklmnopreaper lol
If this guy isn’t literally pro-Hamas then this title is way too far, August.
Agreed, it was harsh
He isn't. This title is complete bs. Didnt expect better from destiny though.
I don’t trust anyone anymore who downplays what Hamas did. When your reaction to what Hamas did is to instantly defend Palestine and downplay Hamas I’m going to assume you just like Hamas
@@silverstorm1000I think people do that because it’s like the whole world is already against Palestine, only hearing Israel’s side, and they feel that the Palestinian side deserves to be heard as much as Israel’s. Most of the people I’ve seen respond that way have condemned Hamas eventually though. Emphasis on most.
When a guy looks at information on Wikipedia, I draw conclusions about him)))
Ngl Netanyahus voice is a lot cooler than I thought it would be. Dude sounds like the statefarm guy
"I'm not anti-Chinese, I just don't think China should exist."
Israel is a made-up country, China is not
yea i feel like that is a bit of a logic brained, "well technically" statement. it would be more appropriate if Israel didn't already exist. and it's still a little weird because there was a Kingdom of Israel in the past, it just got conquered.
I cant believe this needs to be said. Rockets use a solid-fuel propellent. Hospital generators use liquid diesel. These 2 fuels are not interchangeable, moreover, the rockets come preassembled with fuel already installed.
A lot of Hamas rockets are home-made (they even posted a video of the digging up water pipes in Gaza to make rockets out of them) so the pre-assembled point is moot.
@@lilowhitney8614 not diesel
Jews are an ethnicity, a nationality and members of a religion that derived from the geographic area makes up the state of Israel. Whether or not anti zionism is antisemitism or not, the connection between the people and the land runs pretty deep.
12:30 That she's Armenian makes this whole thing even more hilarious xD
It's wild that it seems you have to be on either extreme side.
You can't point out the wrong done on both sides.
Yes, it's so dumb. I'm happy that I don't have to pick a party because I'm not part of that mess. They both suck in their own ways.
The problem is that the "both sides do bad" thing is heard as "Israel and Hamas are equivalent"..
Hamas is objectively evil.
The pro-Palestinian position should be "get rid of Hamas"
@@falseprophet1024 The problem is that does not help anything at all. That leads to no solutions you fence sitting fts
@@Onthebrink5
Im not fence sitting.. i 100% stand with Israel.
The people talking about "both sides do bad" are the fence sitters..
How exactly is the guy Pro hamas?
(they changed the title 😬)
can someone tell me what this notetaking software he is using?
Obsidian
That’s how you spell Netanyahu?!! All I hear is net and yahoo
13:20 Britain took over that land from the Ottoman Empire that had declared war on Britain. In those days if you lost a war you lost land - look at Germany. Old fashioned.
"We won, so it's ours now."
This has been how things work for all of Human history.
Never seen Benny boy this mad before. He instantly takes the gloves off whenever his own demographic comes under fire
Yeah it’s almost like it’s a little personal for him….
I would be too. I'd turn into lemay.
Honestly everyone involved whether it’s culturally or specifically has a right to be angry. To me, I can hardly choose a side because both have committed war crimes in history.
In a perfect world they’d forgive each-other at the same time. We know the world isn’t perfect tho :(
@@CozyHut0 imagine if the Palestinians teamed up with Israel to get rid of Hamas...
The irony since he and Bari Weiss were spearheading the anti-identarian politics crowd. Convenient that now they are so concerned with victimization and identity politics when it benefits them
“AS AN ARMENIAN AMERICAN!!” *works for organization named after the group who genocided Armenians*😂
In the TYR clip I read "IDF bombs Jambalaya camp".
I'm over here like, why is the IDF bombing the the Louisiana bayou?
42:00 I think it's certainly possible to oppose Israeli policy and sentiment in general; and indeed to oppose the existence of a Jewish state, without being antisemitic. That said, if you follow the logic and the logistics down to the real-world possibilities, it's very difficult to deny the need for a Jewish state. Millennia of antisemitism, multiple expulsions every century, endless waves of pogroms . . . . whatever group this happens to, if it happens regularly enough and in societies all across the globe, an ethno-state becomes a very plausible--perhaps the only possible--solution. There's a lot of stuff going around about the polls among Jewish Israelis who say they should have preferential treatment, arab population should be controlled etc. As grim as this sounds, it's a very clear and sensible fear that, once outnumbered, they would suffer once again as they've always suffered across the globe. It would be a somewhat unworkable situation, and is very easy to envision.
So given the history and the scope of possible realities, I would say most EDUCATED antizionists are likely to be antisemitic or sympathetic to the perpetuation of an antisemitic geopolitical situation.
That said I've also heard very different definitions of antizionism. Some speak as if it's merely Israeli expansionism. Some speak as if there's some common spirit of colonial expansionism which can be traced back 140 years, is regrettable, and should have never happened; but that nowadays Israel ought realistically to be acknowledged as a rightful state. Some distinguish it from any sort of expansionism, and suggest zionism was an absolute necessity for the survival of the Jewish people.
I feel Netanyahu is deliberately vague on definitions, and does a lot of semantic tricks to appeal to his more extremist or zealous base while also appeasing the moderates and evading attacks from his opponents. It's obviously a common enough trick but in the Middle East it becomes infinitely more useful just because things are so fractured and so many specific arguments hinge on so many international reports, treaties, precedents, vergbal agreements, charters, whatever.
Arafat was famously good at this, as he tried to use all the various Palestinian (and arab) factions as tools for his own ascent and for the destruction of Israel, yet at the same time turn them against one another to maintain power. Begin was also good at this.
Just as a personal anecdote: my time in the West Bank and Egypt was filled with people saying they opposed zionism, but when pressed on it they were very vague about what that meant. They would say things like:
"Settlements are illegal, the occupation is illegal! We've already suffered the creation of the state of Israel and now they don't want us to have our state!"
"Ok so what should happen to Israel?"
"If they continue occupying us, we will need to defend ourselves!"
"Ok so should Israel exist? What should happen to the Jews?"
"If they stand against their government and speak out for our rights, we will be grateful!"
"Ok so supposing the settlers were pulled back and the borders were drawn and Palestine became a state, what would happen?"
"If they continue oppressing us we will need to defend ourselves!"
And on and on and on. And these were the more peaceable among the Palestinians.
There's also this repeated comparison to Nevada for some reason. They have this idea that a portion of Nevada should have been sliced off and offered the Israelis. Looking back it might have actually worked much better; but it seems to fuel the arguments of terror sympathizers in a very ongoing way I find utterly absurd and counterproductive.
In Israel on the other hand, I didn't hear the word zionism much. 97 percent of the people I met opposed "settlement." Probably 70 percent opposed most forms of ongoing "occupation." All of them saw the clear need for a state of Israel. All of them had lost people in the holocaust, or the Russian pogroms. All of them had multiple family members that fled either Spain, Portugal, Poland, Russia, or Germany, multiple times across multiple generations.
I've spent perhaps 9 months there, not too long. Most was in fairly liberal/artistic circles, not super religious.
Jewish people were living peacefully in Palestine when it was under the Ottoman Empire, generally speaking.
The problems and suffering came with the establishment of Israel.
I don't think Israel is necessary for them to live well.
Can't your argument be used for taking the land of any country?
The USA is big, for example, so can't there be a state of Israel there if it is so needed?
@@MA-gu2up It's notable that you must skip a few glaring years and events in history to argue for the conclusion that Israel isn't necessary to protect Jews.
@@MA-gu2up "the middle east, peaceful until just recently" -bad take from uninformed person
@@MA-gu2up i mean its not a state, but they have an entire section of the city to themselves. and then hollywood.... but imagine if every day a rocket came out of there. How quick you think that place would get tore down?
@@Chaelsonen
Before 1900, Palestine was pretty peaceful, and people from Islam, Christianity, and Jewish people were living peacefully
If you have different information, please tell me.
Destiny girl name
the destiny Shapiro debate is long overdue....
Bro looks like an Arabian Robin Williams
“I don’t know if it’s bad to have a policy where you break protestors bones.”
He rage farming, right?
Best Destiny quote: "What do you think indiscriminate bombing looks like?".
Why does it keep deleting my reply…
@@patmacrotch5611 Lots of Thumbs Down?
My ethnicity is American. We should have been making that a thing for years
That’s cool that Lex got to interview Paul Mooney
Destiny has no consistent opinions, it's all just down to who he's reacting to
I think your mistake is to think if you lean towards one side, you can't objectively critique the other. He's mentioned that he generally has been leaning towards favouring Israel, which doesn't mean he can't criticize them.
Or if you have firm examples, I'm happy to listen.
How yall all still saying the stupidest stuff?
There were 850,000+ jews displaced from the Arab world after Israel declared independence. Most Israelis today are descended from those refugees. The Arab world must give their homes back to those jews, including much of Baghdad, which was 25% Jewish at the time when the Muslims began to ethnically cleanse their lands of jews.
Or give those homes to the Palestinians.
I didnt get people saying destiny sounds like ben shapiro until that intro
Bassem is a comedian, Fatah being a tree hugging hippie obviously an exageration. Come on Destiny.