Great review. Would love to see a review and tear down of the 230ah Ecostore LifePO4 from Ecowatt. Claimed to be 230ah, A Grade Eve cells, but price point would suggest something isn’t right
Nice, thorough review Craig, thanks. This really does look like a great battery and distributed by a local Aussie crowd. A bit of a "gotcha" is the limit of 200A discharge - which is not the standard 1C - which means you shouldn't run a 2400W kettle from your inverter....shame. They need to sharpen their pencils quite a lot to make this appeal - especially since one needs to parallel two batteries to run loads of 2400W or more. Are you concerned about the battery crowd suing Stephan Fisher? It certainly makes local battery reviews appear like they have to appease the company and not "tell it as the reviewer sees it" What a crime that is being perpetrated against the community.
I haven't seen any 1C batteries with a true 300ah rating is this compact size and I think most users would run two batteries if running large loads and expecting a reasonable run time. I personally run 600ah in my caravan and think for me that's the minimum. Some may think that's excessive. Oh yeah I saw a little on Stephan, I'd be happy to get one of that suppliers batteries and run some tests on it. My thinking is if you base the test and review on facts and and keep it a no "bullshit" review there wont be too much they can do about it.
@@MiniLuv-1984 maybe so, but then the BMS will increase in physical size and as a result so will cable size, I think then the footprint of the battery will increase to fit it all in. The twin 25mm2 would most likely handle a 250-300amp BMS but heat would then need to be considered.
@@craigsolaradventures Yes, absolutely true. Size would be impacted if they didn't redevelop the internals. A 300A BMS is only marginally larger than a 200A BMS but the cables will become unwieldy. However, one can dispense with cable and just use suitably sized and formed copper or aluminium bars internally.
awesome review and im scared you are going to send me broke with these new batteries lol can you please confirm the height of the battery including terminals as the spec sheet doesnt state if its terminal height or not at 255mm (im praying these wont fit my camper lol)
1st LOL Hi Craig- great battery the look of it- thanks for the testing - what would be the max Wattage I could draw of this please - sorry not sure how to calculate that but have appliances that can draw up to 2400 Watt in the caravan hence the question and I am a nob in all of this stuff, so still learning a lot- BTW I am in awe of your setup - it's huge lol
With the 200Amp discharge limit it will be the voltage of the battery x amps.. so if you take the nominal voltage of 12.8 x 200 = 2560watt. That said I'm sure there will be a little extra available as it wont be a hard cut off at 200amp. I'll test and let you know, but voltage drop will be the issue as the amps will rise.
Here is an easy way to estimate the current draw; So, 2400W = volts x amps. Since volts is 12V (worse case when nearly discharged) so 2400 = 12 volts x amps. Re- arrange by dividing both sides by 12V you get 2400/12 = 200 amps. Allow for some losses - say 20%, then you will be drawing 240A from the battery. So the battery needs to be able to sustain 240A. This battery will run a 2400W load for approximately 300AH / 240A or 1.25 hours. Hope this helps.
Just checked the spec on this battery and it is rated for a maximum continuous discharge of 200A, so you shouldn't use this battery for sustained delivery of 2400W
@@MiniLuv-1984 Agree. Put two batteries in parallel and you’ll be good to go with 600ah on board or just under 8kw/h. With the discharge capability that well exceeds the capabilities of a 3000w inverter.
I'd say check the claimed 2400w draw first to confirm its actually that high, we run 230v in Aust and at 10a that will be 2300w. I just checked a 10a kettle in my house and then ran it on my test rig with the Safebatt 300 and it pulled no more than 2200 watt and the voltage didn't drop below 12.5v so that's 176amp approx. So the battery is more than capable of delivering the load required. That said you won't be able to run much else so if you intend running big loads for long periods then I'd suggest two batteries parallel with will basically give you 400amp draw which you wont exceed on a 3000w inverter.
How do these types of batteries hold up to being at 100% capacity for extended periods of time? Historically it was my understand that lithium batteries weren't particularly happy being held at 100% or 0% and would accelerate degradation significantly, is that the same for these?
I believe you are thinking of lithium ion batteries and not lithium iron which includes LiFePO4 (LFP). No issues what I'm aware of holding these batteries at 100% charge or 13.5v as per the spec sheet. I'd never leave any battery at 0% charge for long periods. One advantage of the Safebatt Lite 300 is the BMS cuts at 11.6v meaning you have a small amount of energy left in the tank.
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That’s a great setup you got there, nice battery and small for 300 amps
Great review. Would love to see a review and tear down of the 230ah Ecostore LifePO4 from Ecowatt. Claimed to be 230ah, A Grade Eve cells, but price point would suggest something isn’t right
Nice, thorough review Craig, thanks.
This really does look like a great battery and distributed by a local Aussie crowd.
A bit of a "gotcha" is the limit of 200A discharge - which is not the standard 1C - which means you shouldn't run a 2400W kettle from your inverter....shame.
They need to sharpen their pencils quite a lot to make this appeal - especially since one needs to parallel two batteries to run loads of 2400W or more.
Are you concerned about the battery crowd suing Stephan Fisher? It certainly makes local battery reviews appear like they have to appease the company and not "tell it as the reviewer sees it" What a crime that is being perpetrated against the community.
I haven't seen any 1C batteries with a true 300ah rating is this compact size and I think most users would run two batteries if running large loads and expecting a reasonable run time. I personally run 600ah in my caravan and think for me that's the minimum. Some may think that's excessive.
Oh yeah I saw a little on Stephan, I'd be happy to get one of that suppliers batteries and run some tests on it. My thinking is if you base the test and review on facts and and keep it a no "bullshit" review there wont be too much they can do about it.
@@craigsolaradventures You are probably right but all it takes is a suitable BMS - the cells themselves can do 1C without cracking a sweat.
@@MiniLuv-1984 maybe so, but then the BMS will increase in physical size and as a result so will cable size, I think then the footprint of the battery will increase to fit it all in. The twin 25mm2 would most likely handle a 250-300amp BMS but heat would then need to be considered.
@@craigsolaradventures Yes, absolutely true. Size would be impacted if they didn't redevelop the internals.
A 300A BMS is only marginally larger than a 200A BMS but the cables will become unwieldy. However, one can dispense with cable and just use suitably sized and formed copper or aluminium bars internally.
Would love to see a review and breakdown on some of the Renogy 100aH batteries.
awesome review and im scared you are going to send me broke with these new batteries lol can you please confirm the height of the battery including terminals as the spec sheet doesnt state if its terminal height or not at 255mm (im praying these wont fit my camper lol)
Hi, I got 253mm to the top of the terminal. I'd say allow another 10-12mm to include, Lug, washer ,spring washer and bolt.
@@craigsolaradventures awesome appreciate it Craig.
1st LOL
Hi Craig- great battery the look of it- thanks for the testing - what would be the max Wattage I could draw of this please - sorry not sure how to calculate that but have appliances that can draw up to 2400 Watt in the caravan hence the question and I am a nob in all of this stuff, so still learning a lot- BTW I am in awe of your setup - it's huge lol
With the 200Amp discharge limit it will be the voltage of the battery x amps.. so if you take the nominal voltage of 12.8 x 200 = 2560watt. That said I'm sure there will be a little extra available as it wont be a hard cut off at 200amp. I'll test and let you know, but voltage drop will be the issue as the amps will rise.
Here is an easy way to estimate the current draw;
So, 2400W = volts x amps.
Since volts is 12V (worse case when nearly discharged) so 2400 = 12 volts x amps.
Re- arrange by dividing both sides by 12V you get 2400/12 = 200 amps.
Allow for some losses - say 20%, then you will be drawing 240A from the battery.
So the battery needs to be able to sustain 240A.
This battery will run a 2400W load for approximately 300AH / 240A or 1.25 hours.
Hope this helps.
Just checked the spec on this battery and it is rated for a maximum continuous discharge of 200A, so you shouldn't use this battery for sustained delivery of 2400W
@@MiniLuv-1984 Agree. Put two batteries in parallel and you’ll be good to go with 600ah on board or just under 8kw/h. With the discharge capability that well exceeds the capabilities of a 3000w inverter.
I'd say check the claimed 2400w draw first to confirm its actually that high, we run 230v in Aust and at 10a that will be 2300w. I just checked a 10a kettle in my house and then ran it on my test rig with the Safebatt 300 and it pulled no more than 2200 watt and the voltage didn't drop below 12.5v so that's 176amp approx. So the battery is more than capable of delivering the load required. That said you won't be able to run much else so if you intend running big loads for long periods then I'd suggest two batteries parallel with will basically give you 400amp draw which you wont exceed on a 3000w inverter.
How do these types of batteries hold up to being at 100% capacity for extended periods of time? Historically it was my understand that lithium batteries weren't particularly happy being held at 100% or 0% and would accelerate degradation significantly, is that the same for these?
I believe you are thinking of lithium ion batteries and not lithium iron which includes LiFePO4 (LFP). No issues what I'm aware of holding these batteries at 100% charge or 13.5v as per the spec sheet. I'd never leave any battery at 0% charge for long periods. One advantage of the Safebatt Lite 300 is the BMS cuts at 11.6v meaning you have a small amount of energy left in the tank.
$2770 is a lotta cash 💰 but it’s a very nice battery
How much is that? I’ll google it $ 2768!!!
Correct, plus you can get a 5% discount with the code I provided.
What an absolute rip off...
I wish someone would just cut the case off each brand and show us how similar they all are on the inside.
@@shawnduddridge try viewing some of my other videos, they are most certainly not all similar on the inside.