VEGAN CLASHES With STRENGTH Coach
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- Опубликовано: 15 окт 2024
- One of the conversations I had at a recent cube of truth I organised, this man was adamant in the belief that we can't build muscle as a Vegan, yet there is numerous evidence out there that we can, several Vegan bodybuilders and a great Vegan bodybuilder outreach couple in @Itsmelandsteve !
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That bloke thinks our teeth are suitable for eating meat. Presumably also for tearing through skin and ripping up raw meat. Wrong. Our teeth couldn't tear through tough skin and hair. Yes, cats need to eat meat because they are carnivores. We are herbivores and that's how we can live healthily on a plant-based diet. Our ancestors could get their B12 from water sources and soil on plants. Most humans eat meat but that doesn't make them omnivores. Pandas - who are anatomically omnivores leaning towards being carnivores - eat plants. And the occasional insect or small mammal. But they are mainly plant eaters.
He said an army that's purely vegetarian would not be an army that eats meat. This is true. No one could ever find fault with such a statement. And an army that was purely made up of red haired men would not be an army of blonde women. He later said a vegetarian army wouldn't have the strength or resilience to fight. Strange how vegan athletes demonstrate great strength, resilience and stamina. The Japanese army did well in the war and they ate mostly rice and other plant foods. Roman gladiators were mostly plant-based. Even Roman legionaries had largely plant-based diets.
There are strongmen who are plant-based, as you said. And Patrik Baboumian was the first to do the farmer's walk carrying over half a ton. Others have done it since but he was the first. And they are probably bigger. As vegans make up a tiny proportion of the population it's a wonder that there are any top vegan athletes. There are very few (probably none) top athletes from the Isle of Man but that's because there are very few people from the Isle of Man. It's a numbers game.
That bloke said other animals kill for food. Yes, some do and some don't. Elephants and cattle don't. Other animals mate and defecate in public. We don't. Usually. I was pleased to hear him say that we are just animals and we make things up to make us feel better and higher than other animals. This is true: humans are not better or superior than other animals. The death of a sheep or pig is as tragic as the death of a human. Humans have no more right to life than other animals.
He said that more animals are killed for nuts and fruit and veg than for 'that' - presumably 'that' refers to non-vegan food. No, he's wrong - more animals are killed for non-vegans than for soya or almond milk drinkers.
Good work in dealing with his ignorance. He shows how much work there's still to do. But, because he agreed that what he saw is disgusting and knows that humans are nothing special, there's hope for him.
If we hadn't have cooked and eaten meat, then you wouldn't be alive today to complain about eating meat.
Funny how that works, isn't it?
What if you just don’t care about animals? I am aware I could be vegan and probably be fine but if loads of cows and chickens die if I don’t care isn’t it fine for me to eat meat?
Most of that is simply inaccurate. If you actually look at the biology of a human with an unbiased eye instead of merely trying to look for information to support what you already believe (confirmation bias) you'd see this clearly, the structure of our digestive system, our teeth being designed to both tear and grind, the way we evolved meant we learnt better ways than to simply try and tear flesh from bone with our teeth and if it wasn't for our heavy protein diet, supplied through eating meat, we would have never evolved to where we are now. It was the fact we could eat both meat and plants that gave us the advantage.
We evolved as omnivores because that gave us an advantage and a greater chance of survival. There are aspects of both herbivore and carnivore to our biology, you can break them down and try to claim we are more inline with an herbivore, but the problem there is most of those things also apply to carnivores.
Learn more: www.biologyonline.com/articles/humans-omnivores
Now, that said, I am in the same camp as the man in the video, I do feel that the mass murder of animals just to feed an ever growing population of the world is not just unsustainable, but also unethical. This is what needs to be focused on, not the incorrect assertion that we are actually herbivores, we are not. We have reached a point in human evolution as a species though were we could start to rely on other means as sources of protein. This is what our knowledge and technology should be focusing on, starting to reduce our reliance on animals, it is happening, slowly, but it's going to take a long time and people on the street trying to make you feel guilty about eating meat isn't going to change how fast it happens.
Cattle, ruminants in general, and game animals definitely do eat meat when they get the chance. I've seen a deer scarf down a bird whole! And a natural human diet can be determined by giving a baby the options, such as a choice between cheerios, vegetables, raw meat, cooked meat, cooked egg yolk, and raw egg yolk. Universally the baby will choose the raw meat first, and being humans, we understand the issue with food-borne illnesses, but by far the raw meat will give the baby the best protein and nutrition for a growing body.
Now please take our digestive systems under consideration. Another comment mentioned some, but I'll add by mentioning the people on the carnivore diet who very rarely have to go to the bathroom. Our bodies do not have large fermentation areas like gorillas or cattle, and therefore we cannot digest plants anywhere close to the same extent; with this in mind, we digest meat at near-100% efficiency while only absorbing 2-20% of the nutrients within plants (women absorb more than men).
That isn't to say I agree with the carnivore diet, but it is a very interesting case study in what creates or harms the efficiencies and health of our bodies.
Lastly, a couple points: Many animals suffer or perish under tractors and farm equipment for the sake of growing plants; that's likely what the strength trainer in the video meant. And a human child growing up without meat will grow up stunted, less intelligent, and are far more likely to have mental issues. I did not bring up this issue earlier because it's possible this could be mitigated or fixed with a more controlled diet once our knowledge progresses, but at the point of those studies and within current culture, children are less likely to thrive without meat. The difference is, the parent must have full knowledge of nutritional content, nutrient absorption rates, and the will to cook many different things, versus eating a couple eggs and a steak with any fiber on the side.
i was vegan for 10 years , it damaged my body badly , was missing so many nutrients because of things like oxalates , and lectins that blocked nutrient absorbtion , also some vitamins are not easibly absorbed in vegtable form , like iron (heme iron is better absorbed)
1) Vitamin B1
2) Retinol: Pre-formed Vitamin A
Bioavailability
3) Vitamin D3
4) Creatine
5) Heme Iron
6) Taurine
7) Carnosine
8) DHA/EPA Omega-3
these are very important nutrients without them includeed with the malsabsrobtion , and anti-nutrients of oxalates & lectins , you have to take supplemants to make the vegan diet work long term .
a balanced diet is best, unless you have some food intolerances . carnivore is very good for food intolerances ...
sorry but this is how our bodys were created . denial wont change it.
I've been doing carnivore diet for 3 months now, lost 2 stone, gout gone, spots gone, no indigestion - T levels through the roof. Each to their own, but I think the terrible treatment of animals is more down to the corrupt money system that we are enslaved into. If we hunted and killed animals humanely and sustainably like we did thousands of years ago then I don't see the issue. I respect all of your opinions though.
As a meat eater: Down with factory farming! It wasn't thousands of years ago, it was less than a hundred (edit: oops, you're talking about only hunting; in my biases I read sustainable farming + hunting). And it's easy to see the results: Prior to the low-fat movement, obesity was an extraordinarily rare occurrence. Pictures on image searches from the 1950s, for example, have everyone looking fit and functional, whereas now it's hard to look anywhere without seeing the opposite. That isn't to say it's entirely diet-related, nor are these people eating the best diet by any measure, but our instant-gratification culture has created problems across the board, and I consider factory farming to be the equivalent of drinking liquid candy (pop/soda) as far as culture is concerned.
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Hero? Don't ever use that word on a waste of a man .
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Vegan activist heroes! 🌱
Meat eater hero! What a man
Thank you guys for being out there speeding the word! Keep exposing the truth💚💚💚🐔🐷🐮🐟🪲🐇🫂🫂🫂❤️❤️❤️🙏🙏🙏😊😊😊
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Vegan/Carnivore - a matter of choice-good that we live in a system where we can choose.
@@joenoi1652 absolutely, I wouldn't want to take anyone's ability to choose away from them, that's not gonna stop me talking about Veganism though
Correct, you can choose to cause the unnecessary slaughter of animals at every meal, or choose not to.
@@DL-ng8rfI choose chicken wings
@@websterman100 I just don't find the suffering and butchering of animals funny.
@@DL-ng8rf im not laughing I am straight faced saying I choose to eat chicken wings, I don’t care about animals suffering more than I care about eating chicken wings
He said what he wanted and ran off 🤦🏻♂️
‘Army tho’ is a new one
I didn't think there could ever be a new one!
In fairness not everyone has time to be badgered in the street about eating food. He engaged amicably enough for the time he could spare and then moved on.
@@Rekaert I always appreciate it when someone stops in the street to have a conversation, but its not just about eating food, it's about stopping intentional harm to sentient beings unnecessarily
@@rupert_thorpe Oh I understand it's really about pushing an ideological and political agenda. No arguments from me there.
Excellent activism. Thank you 💗💗💗
Thank you for getting out there. Unfortunately that guy has a mind set like concrete.
Yep. Immovable at the moment.
@@rupert_thorpe we are herbivores. PIaque forms eating animals !!. Plant-based/vegans don’t have pIaque. ✅♥️😬💪🦍🦧🐵🐒👱🏼♂️👩🏽😉!!. Buddhist monks, most of them are vegan ✅♥️💪😬😉.. Rice, quinoa 🌾, beans, lentils, oats, fruits, herbs, spices, yeast B12 tablespoon, every day, et cetera, is the key to healthiness ✅😉.
Called common sense , I'd love to see you reason with a lion and ask for him not to rip you apart cos you got feelings .😂 Why are we saving animals that would not survive naturally outside the habitat we create for them ?
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@@VeganV5912 that's called poor , we don't need any of that nonsense to live a healthy life , meat literally covers every category you just stated
Great outreach Rupert! To his point about most strong people being meat eaters, that's simply because most people are meat eaters. It's the same as saying "most sick people are meat eaters". 🌱
Wrong ! If you eat meat your stronger and smarter , you have a higher I q
@@Shaunandshaun Some of the most brilliant people in history were against meat eating (e.g. Pythagoras, Leonardo da Vinci, Leo Tolstoy, etc.). It might even be true that non-meat-eaters are over-represented in the high IQ category. If you want your assertions to be believed you need to provide some evidence. Just saying "Wrong ! ..." doesn't convince anybody.
Brilliant! As a vegetarian of many moons :::)) I concur with S&C coach mire than the vegan activist besides the "resiliencies" attributed to meat eaters. Looking at the adjusted protein index you find that plant derived proteins are more digestible & absorbable to the human organism than any kind of animal flesh including insects.
Having said that: he destroyed the vegan with facts!
Thank you.
Peace & Love!!!
Great work. Thank you.💚💚💚
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Honestly good convo, I think a good point to make on top of all your great points is that if a meat eater’s argument can justify eating human meat, it isn’t a good argument
Stay away from Soy !!!
@@mikehunt1528 I'm sorry that your so scared of Soy 😳
@@rupert_thorpe Haha You've not done any research on it have you?
@@mikehunt1528Go on then, educate me. I bet you're going to say something dumb about phytoestrogen - as if plant hormones have a direct effect on mammals. You need to do more "research".
Bro, AMAZING job holding him to it - he gave up and ran away ....He did indeed have a mindset like concrete- he's been 100% indoctrinated. Thank you for protecting the voiceless..
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Personal experience. Where's any study to prove his claim? No where.
Yeah he said you can live a healthy life as a vegan what a bold claim when we're born to eat meat right
@@Shaunandshaun born to eat meat 😂
@@rupert_thorpe yes Rupert born to eat meat 🍖 , what is food Rupert ? What do you hunt when your hungry Rupert ? We ain't cows we can't live of fibre
Thousands of years of human survival says otherwise
i am in no way on the side of the Vs but - linford christie ate a heavily fruit based diet. don't think he was strictly non meat, but just throwing it out there.
there are vegan bodybuilders too but they can't do it without whey and pea powders and all that other crap
@@ijustwannaleaveacommentony6511 whey isn't Vegan my guy
@@rupert_thorpe i'm not your guy buddy
but whatever, my point stands, besides the details
i was vegan for 10 years , it damaged my body badly , was missing so many nutrients because of things like oxalates , and lectins that blocked nutrient absorbtion , also some vitamins are not easibly absorbed in vegtable form , like iron (heme iron is better absorbed)
1) Vitamin B1
2) Retinol: Pre-formed Vitamin A
Bioavailability
3) Vitamin D3
4) Creatine
5) Heme Iron
6) Taurine
7) Carnosine
8) DHA/EPA Omega-3
these are very important nutrients without them includeed with the malsabsrobtion , and anti-nutrients of oxalates & lectins , you have to take supplemants to make the vegan diet work long term .
a balanced diet is best, unless you have some food intolerances . carnivore is very good for food intolerances ...
sorry but this is how our bodys were created . denial wont change it.
I'll comment on this when I've had my beauty sleep. Not that I need much for that.
Omnivore doesn't mean you can choose just one part of the diet. Omnivore means you both can and have to eat a variety of foods.
There's one extremely important vitamin you CAN NOT GET from a vegan diet without modern technology. One you'll freaking die without. Vitamin B12. A vegan diet contains zero B12, which is necessary for production of hemoglobin. Without B12, you die of anemia.
In the modern day, you can get B12 supplements. They're usually made in a lab using bacteria (yum, sounds healthy and natural). The other way to get B12, and the one that our ancestors all had to use, was eating meat.
@@immikeurnot our ancestors got b12 from contaminated water, b12 is produced by bacteria, not plants or animals. Farm animals get injected with b12, without that injection meat eaters would not get b12, besides there are several plant foods that are fortified with b12, so tell me again why we should continue to exploit and murder animals when we can just cut that out completely and take a supplement?
Let them eat whatever they want !
We've evolved to eat meat so let's stick to the design
Well in ! Best comment 🎉 someone with a brain cell
No, carnivores have evolved to eat meat. We've evolved to eat what was available, but now we can eat whatever is in the shops.
@@DL-ng8rf Shops evolved to feed us what was profitable
@@richardburton1816 You're changing the subject
We've evolved to be ABLE to eat animals (prepared/sanitised in certain ways) but we have not evolved to need to eat them.
We have also evolved to be able to procreate at around 9 or 10 years old. Would you advocate lowering the age of concent too to "stick to the design"?
Milk boy got owned.
Soy * 😂 remember he doesn't use animal products
WHAT A LOAD OF BOLLOX.
Just commenting to say i will be pressing the dont recommend this channel button! Dont ever feel guilty for eating meat!
@@Luke-bz2td thank you for engaging
You should absolutely feel guilty for selfishly and needlessly hurting animals.
@@CarnismDebunked i was vegan for 10 years , it damaged my body badly , was missing so many nutrients because of things like oxalates , and lectins that blocked nutrient absorbtion , also some vitamins are not easibly absorbed in vegtable form , like iron (heme iron is better absorbed)
1) Vitamin B1
2) Retinol: Pre-formed Vitamin A
Bioavailability
3) Vitamin D3
4) Creatine
5) Heme Iron
6) Taurine
7) Carnosine
8) DHA/EPA Omega-3
these are very important nutrients without them includeed with the malsabsrobtion , and anti-nutrients of oxalates & lectins , you have to take supplemants to make the vegan diet work long term .
a balanced diet is best, unless you have some food intolerances . carnivore is very good for food intolerances ...
sorry but this is how our bodys were created . denial wont change it.
@@baptizedintheholyspirit9691 lol, first off veganism isnt a diet, and without me even googling the entire list...
Viatmin A can be sourced from plants
Omega 3 can be sourced from plants
Heme iron - non essential
Creatine - non essential
Oxalates and lectins are removed/lowered during the cooking process, stop reading the anti vegan subreddit and just admit you were never vegan.