The entry-level video content creator battle: iPhone 15 Pro vs DJI osmo pocket 3 vs Sony ZV-E10ii But an in-depth into really shooting videos (practical, not numbers by producer): • Apple-LOG vs S-LOG vs D-LOG • Stabilazations • Shooting in normal formats • connecting accessories (microphones, gimbals, ssd, etc) • low light • youtube studios It would be amazing, Thanks Becca!
@@naththoau Apple uses a Sony sensor, this is the problem with phone ‘photographers’, they are usually confident, confidently incompetent. The Apple is gonna be in focus most of the time because of DOF, if you have problems with Sony AF, chances are its a user problem.
The point on computational photography is so true. The FIRST thing I noticed when playing with my x100vi is “wow the iPhone does a lot of heavy lifting”. And it’s great! So often you want to get a nice photo of friends and you get to pay barely any attention to the light levels around you. It sees the faces, lights them correctly, and then gives you an image ready to share. The X100vi on the other hand makes you think about the light, where it’s coming from, how bright it is. It makes it quite fun but it’s a very different experience.
But once you get enough experience, you’ll never want to go back. Yes, the iPhone sees the faces and does a ton to them to make them bright enough. But if also butchers them (the shot at 3:13 is a great example and I’m SHOCKED Apple still hasn’t fixed this). And yeah, with a camera like the X100vi you have to pay attention to lighting and all that. But once it’s become second nature, your photos will become much better regardless of what you shoot them on. Granted, I shoot only raw - not because I’m a snob, but because a lot of the time, it’s the only way of getting out of my photos what I want. So at a BBQ with friends last weekend I took a bunch of photos, all of which were leaps and bounds better than what the others got with their phones, but yeah. I did have to put my photos into Lightroom and process them. I’m willing to do that, but I understand why a lot of people aren’t. And that’s fine. I feel like the X100 series can be a GREAT middle ground though! Film recipes can get you really far, while also taking advantage of a good sensor and lens. I kinda wish I had one in addition to my Sony A7C II. =)
Well put! I'd say when using a camera, my focus is much more on making sure settings are optimal, keeping an eye on light (intensity, direction), dynamic range in a scene, nailing focus if I'm shooting at a wide aperture, dialing in the ISO/aperture just right if light is low, etc. With my phone, a good chunk of that ceases to matter. The phone does most of the hard work, and if I grab a few shots of whatever I'm shooting, usually most of them do nail it, unless the scene is completely beyond its capabilities. The result: I spend much, much more time thinking about composition - getting an interesting angle, framing things just so, feeling more emboldened to take photos including random people passing by (no one cares about someone taking photos with a phone, people definitely notice a mirrorless with a big lens), etc. There are no right/wrong answers here. Whatever inspires you, or reduces the friction to have fun and take photos is the way to go. Unless you do this stuff professionally, at which point... you buy the fancy camera + associated gear and learn it all like the back of your hand lol For personal photos, all I really care about is getting a clean raw file I can edit. My iPhone 13 Pro Max almost always delivers - even put up against my a7iii. Obviously the Sony has higher limits, but... I usually end up using the one that fits in my pocket...
I usually just have it in Aperture priority and change the exposure compensation based on the lighting. I guess that it is a tiny bit more work, but the photos i get out of my Fujifilm camera look so much nicer than any phone imo. And with a Fujifilm camera, you get film simulations, which make the process even easier. The fact that you can get usable jpegs that have beautiful color rendering directly out of camera is incredible.
@@rickbiessman6084I like my cameras saving exactly the image they're seeing, not one so postprocessed it can reconstruct even detail that was never there Which is why I buy phones with complete camera setups (if it wasn't so expensive I'd get a Sony Xperia) and that allow saving raw images or images with minimal processing
Sony really needs to make something to compete with the DJI Osmo Pocket 3. The awesome stabilization, small form factor and ease of use blows every other video camera out of the water right now.
action camera and traditional camera aren't really comparable. Action camera focus on the durability for most versatile situation whereas traditional form factor camera focus on image quality. If all you want is posting videos on social media then definitely the DJI is way better but if you want that professional look and the ability to also take good stills, you gotta go for the Sony
I would also mention that you can get a Sony camera with the same size sensor for pennies! For the cheapest look at the NEX series, you'll get one for 1/10th of the price of this one. Then slightly better, cameras like a5000.
@@PKM1010same sensor size but nex lineup and a5000 is really old and the different is way too big and noticeable. it's fine for still, but for video it's just too old. but if you really tight on budget, i'll get a6000 instead.
That's mostly on Android phones, with oversharpened and saturated look and skin tone IPhones are far better and takes much more realistic pictures and handles hdr better too
The best camera is the 1 that you have access to most of the time. You can have a camera with all the of the elaborate specifications but if you don't have it with you during special moments then its just a product on display.
And I take my Sony A7C II everywhere I go. Because the best camera is the one that takes good pictures. My smartphone simply doesn’t; and even if it did, I still wouldn’t enjoy the shooting process with it.
i'm going even further with this concept and getting the RayBan METAs... there has been candid shots i've missed simply because my phone was in my pocket, so having one on my face ready to go is the way forward
Im a pro videographer and I have moved from bringing a mirrorless and a few lenses on my holiday trips, to just bringing the iphone 15 pro max. The best camera is the camera you have on you and the 15 pro max is more than adequate for family photos. In fact, it still blows me away how they are able to simulate dof in photo and video so accurately with mostly software and a lidar sensor! It’s crazy!
I shot professionally for only a couple of years, and went from canon aps-c to micro 4/3. And would have carry camera and at least two lenses. But it gets old, especially when the shoot isn't for money. There are times I wish I had a real with me, but the vast majority of the time, I'd rather just enjoy myself with surroundings and people, and phone snapshots are easily enough.
it’s thanks to your video on the ZV E1 that I ended up actually buying that camera as my first ever non phone camera, and one year later I’m making a living as a full time videographer with it :) I suppose I just wanted to say thanks for that, a review of yours kind of changed my life.
Surprised by how much I liked this video. Has been hard to find good comparisons like this where it seems like the person speaking actually knows what they're talking about.
Someday Sony will realize a $1000+ camera doesn’t remotely compete with a $1000+ phone. A camera is something people buy in addition to phones, not instead of. And phone prices are a lot easier to justify with all they do. So a dedicated camera can’t just be “better”, it’s gotta be a LOT better to be worthwhile for non-professionals.
I have a late-model smartphone (P8Pro) with a highly-rated camera. I also have a Sony full-frame camera that's 3 generations back (a7iii). The Sony rocks, on any display larger than a cell phone display. Especially in low light. Low light cellphone photos just don't hold up on large displays. My Sony gets better pics WITHOUT stacking images. When image quality matters, there's no substitute for a real camera.
I love your reviews. It brings back memories of my photography discovery in the early 2000’s. The enthusiasm, the love for the image, the analog feeling of using a real camera. Thank you!
The people that want any sort of camera and those that want to shoot off their camera are different demographics though. I used to carry my camera EVERYWHERE, but that was because the camera on my phone wasn't good enough. Now with my s23 ultra I haven't felt the need to carry my big clunky camera, and yet another bag.
@charlesdamien5849: I too carry my Sony RX100-7 everywhere; for me I only a mddle-ling Samsung, with a phone cam that is decent, but the sensor size on the phone cam is way too small and there is only so much you can do with software to compensate for those limitations. If you want to carry a camera I suggest a Sony RX100-5a, or a -7, it has SAPM modes, and can shoot raw& .JPG. The zoom range on the -7 goes from 24-200mm, whereas the -5a goes from 24-70mm. For me phone cams are quite good within their design parameters, but once outside, the photos are inadequate. I don't know about the video on the phone cams, but the HD video on my RX100 is quite good, it will do 4K vids but the file sizes generated are huge.
@@ronaldlee3537This is a very personal choice. If you just want to capture the moment and emotion then any modern phone will do. For all the people using cheap phones to capture those moments, none of this matters. As someone who had those really bad phone cameras and also went everywhere with a camera I now use mainly a A10 S and a S8+. Until printing photos becomes a thing again does not matter. These th things only matter for pros and enthusiasts and the companies that make products for them. Each is not better but good for what is used for. A hammer is not better than a saw because they do two very different things.
Good luck with your storage and transferring huge files and battery management. If you’re a novice and beginner then yes it would work based on what you just said but if you aren’t a davinci and Lightroom user than you not like us and good luck with the phone 📱
@@PHlophe That's not a parasocial relationship... 💀 it's just curiosity. Learn to distinguish or wait a while to understand if you learned a new word 💀
I just hate the workflow shooting videos with an iPhone. With the new USB-C port it might be a bit faster, but transfering footage to a mac after shooting for a whole day takes ages. Also editing iPhone Footage in Premiere is a nightmare due to the fact, that the iPhone records in a flexible Framerate - for whatever reason that is useful. 🤷🏼 Made Premiere crash multiple times. I was forced to shoot with iPhones for a specific production, where they wanted the "authentic TikTok look" and I hope this was the last time I had to do this. 😅 Love my Sony FX3 now even more. ❤
I think a huge reason people love dedicated cameras so much, is that people want to detach themselves from their phones when they're out and about. There are no distractions. And every picture on your SD card will be a picture you took, and not a screenshot, or a meme someone sent you.
you need to decide what you want / need a camera for (e.g. video, street photography, landscape etc) and go look for cameras that do that. not by price range for cameras that are not all designed for the same thing
I just want something like the Galaxy K again. Also we had some phones that were modular with clickable accessoires, If only Samsung or a big brand would make a proper camera attachment for smartphones, it would make the camera business really fun again
I think they are afraid it will be super niche and won't end up selling a lot. But it would be nice if they did. Normal phone cameras are pretty insane rn, imagine what we could have if it was modular.
True af we need more first-party photography/videography mods. The brand Nothing’s subbrand CMF released a new midranger with interchangeable backs. Xiaomi 14 Ultra’s Photo Kit has a dedicated case where you can attach filters as well as a sidegrip which doubles as a power bank.
I would've said let's go the other way and add smartphone-level software to dedicated cameras. Imagine the software from a Pixel or iPhone hooked up to a professional camera body and lens. Sony seems the most likely candidate since they've got both phones and cameras already (and pretty damn good ones). Google and Apple likely don't care enough about pro photography.
I’m still rocking my Olympus OMD EM10 Mark II. With its 17mp MFT sensor, 5 axis IBIS and interchangeable lens system it checks off everything I need for the photography I do.
The Sony's main feature is that it won't interrupt your photography to show you what a celeb is eating for lunch. With the Sony you might make some art.
If you shoot JPEG, the camera do some sort of computational photography, same thing with film simulation. If you shoot RAW, and transfer it to your mobile and let apps like Snapseed to enhance it, you can get computational photography too. Some people find the photo editing after the shoot tedious; shooting JPEG, and using Snapseed may solve that.
I have an iPhone 13 pro and a Sony A7 III with Tamron f2.7 lens, and I use my iPhone for almost all purpose and use Sony for specific occasions. So yeah, unless you are a professional photographer for a wedding or event, you are better off with top smartphones like the current iPhone max or Samsung Ultra. Top camera gears are not easy to use for most users and needs a big learning curve and lots of experimentations so choose based on the needs.
Dedicated cameras are the one, and make photos much more special. An iPhone is great for convenience and light documenting, but my Fuji X100V takes photos that are truly magical with much more detail and depth that help you to relive a moment.
Amazing amazing video!!!🤗 For your next video, I would definitely love to see a photography centered comparison between the Vivo X100 Ultra and your choice of camera. I think the focus of the comparison should be the element of speed in respect to quality, and how much of the gap between the two devices have been bridged! Vivo X100 Ultra's new 85mm 200mp lens is quite amazing, so maybe the camera it's being compared to can have an equivalent focal length!
I own the 1st gen ZV-E10 and got an iPhone 15 Pro Max a short time after. I pretty much use the iPhone completely for photos and video (only 182 shots on my Sony). I prefer almost all the iPhone shots in your comparison with the exception of the weird artifacts you point out, but I don't run into those situations often. I guess as I get older, I don't feel the need to tweak my photos that much if they can come out of the box 90% pleasing to the eye. And when I do want to make adjustments, it's more convenient to do so on my phone anyways.
The best camera is the one that’s always with you. At this point, the difference is not drastic enough to carry this whole thing around instead of an iPhone.
I think the iPhone's photos and videos are so good that its deficits are invisible to all but the most observant viewers, especially if the content is good, so as to not draw attention to them. For something that's always in your pocket, it really is an incredible tool, and one that I don't hesitate to incorporate into my workflow.
As a photographer who bought an iPhone as a camera substitute, I personally think that addition of a separate camera hardware is necessary to help spare your phone from the ridiculous heat a long photo and/or video session produces. So, if you are going to produce videos and/or vlogs on a semi-regular basis or higher, investing on a separate camera like this Sony is a fantastic idea!
I used to always use my full frame Sony A7 camera for portrait photography. But ever since I upgraded to the iphone 15 pro, it's been able to do like 70% of the stuff my camera can do, but without the fuss. If we are talking about video, no question, I'm just going to use just the iphone.
@@aqwandrew6330 Sony made phones that had some of the best phone camera in the business. Samsung would also be a prime business to create this product.
It's nice to have the feeling you are using a real camera, but honestly, the iPhone/Samsung look better on my screen. On the night photos and videos, the difference is even bigger.
@@bassyeyHe's feeling that way because the iPhone is typically going to make pictures brighter and faces more clear. Which for most people will make them feel like it's a better photo.
you don't see all the details watching photos from compressed youtube video on small screen. It is like watching at a 10 year old car from 30 meters. It will look ok, until you come closer.
Naw. I use my real camera to capture the world as it is, not fill in pixels with make-believe. You might as well skip both and just prompt the ai for a picture of what you want if you're happy with made up fill in information.
“There will always be a better camera than the one you have. Be happy with your choice and enjoy what you have. Choose a stopping point and start being content.”
iPhone 15 Pro Max is the answer for most people. For the rest, it's not the Sony, it's a way better professional camera. You will always have your phone with you, but probably never the Sony. The difference in some shadows and skin tone at a certain moment of the day is not going to tip the scale to make you carry an extra device with you all the time. It's fine, we don't need professional grade photos, and when we do, we are professionals buying the latest Canon that costs 4 times more and produce better results.
Nikon z30 is a surprisingly capable camera too. I bought it getting tired of Nikon coming out with a better APS-C camera. I bought it hoping that I can switch to mirrorless at a lower cost while I wait for a better APC-S camera. However, I was pleasantly surprised how handy it is especially due to its compactness.
Convenience (having a camera in your pocket all the time) and speed (of editing and uploading) will almost always win. Unless you're in a niche which requires a real camera, a phone camera will almost always be better.
The differences cited as problems with the iPhone 15 Pro Max are easily adjusted in Apple Photos, not to mention the Apple ecosphere which organizes, GPS stamps and backs up to iCloud. The only advantage I can see to another camera is longer telephoto lenses and ergonomics. That being said, I just upgraded my Nikon to the Z6III for those reasons and "just because" I love taking pictures. But I never feel second best if all I have with me is the iPhone 15 Pro Max. In fact, many times those photos come out better.
I’ve used a Sony a6400 and a iPhone 15 pro max. I got the Sony after the 15 pro max, because I was not happy with the quality especially of the pictures. A Sony with a good lens will out perform any iPhone for days to come 🙌🏻
So I’ve been thinking about just this. People used to say that sure full frame is better, but it’s how you use it that matters. And I really think Apple has proven that with their super advanced computational photography. I would however love to see Sony do a better job to marry their insane camera tech with their very strong computational photography software. I want to be able to let it do that, then flip it back to manual.
I think giving examples with an upgraded lens would have been good, just to show off how much background blur and low light performance the camera is actually capable
Best camera is the one you actually carry. Full frame is great if tiú carry it but we *always* have our iPhone, it starts up and takes photos instantly.
I very recently bought my first mirrorless (x-t30). Make no mistake people, phones can’t even match the quality, potential and the artistic choices of a good dedicated camera. Yes, my iPhone 13 can take good photos out of the box without the need to tweak any settings, but a 1.000 -1.500 camera’s photos viewed on a screen larger than 6” will downright win the iPhone almost every time.
And another important point for Cameras that they never degrad their image quality with software updates like mostly every mobile brands do including Apple
Unless you are into video editing or panning shots i think ZEV-E10 Mark 1 is a bargain. Paired with the sigma 18-50 you'll get far better photo's than the mark 2 with its kit lens.
I don't understand why Sony would not embrace computational photography a bit more for this segment of cameras. I mean, it's aimed at vlogging, where you really want a decent result in any situation. The iPhone, even with its flaws and tiny sensor is generally doing a better job at this if you ask me. Imagine using this technology with the Sony's sensor, it could be awesome. They could even add a setting to turn it on or off, so you still have the option to be in full control.
I found the answer easy, because the depth of focus in the images on the left was much more shallow that that in the images on the right. One of the factors that affects depth of focus is the size of the imager. In the days of film cameras a Hasselblad and/or an RB67 always had a more shallow depth of focus than did a 35mm Nikon or Canon. And an 8x10 view camera had less depth of focus that did a Hasselblad. It was always a matter of matching the tool (camera) to the need (type of image desired).
Iphone 15pro showed that computational photography isn't what it was chalked up to be. The biggest upgrade in smartphone video quality was a software toggle that lets you turn OFF the computaitonal stuff. Shockingly, treating the smartphone image like a professional camera does, makes it look a lot like a professional cameras image.
From before the reveal--Left: Better in city lights. Right: Better with motion. E train: no clear winners-- colors both seemed off, but Right felt a bit more like the E train if that makes sense. Left: Better in the afternoon light. Midtown Sheraton: Definitely the left. I think if I were a content creator, I'd probably be doing some color correction in either case, but the one on the right (iPhone) would be harder to recover from when it gets things wrong. But as a mere layperson, this doesn't seem like a _huge_ difference, and one of the options also comes with a phone :-).
The ZV-E10 is a vlogging camera and for me personally, smartphones just can’t keep up in video yet. You cant do focus stacking and exposure bracketing and all sorts of other computational magic when you are shooting video, so raw sensor performance is way more important. And then on the lens side, fixed wide aperture means you will always have your shot blown out when outside during the day on a phone if you want 180 shutter for proper motion blur. Unless you add an ND filter of course, which you mentioned for the ZV-E10 but failed to mention for the iPhone. When in fact it’s more important for the iPhone, and less convenient on an iPhone since you don’t have a lens with filter threads.
softwares is one of the reasons why most people think modern phone cameras do kinda suck what you see is not what you get i've read some article where they say XR has the best camera, i just think it is because it lacks the software computation that the newer model has, the older camera system gives you what you see
Personally I really started enjoying my A6100. Took some amazing pictures because of the choice of lenses, which were impossible to do with my phone. Maybe it's best to combine and balance using phone and camera.
In the end 99% of photos and videos we see on RUclips, instagram or other media, people is going to edit them, ads filters, use edition tools and finally, the picture/video will end up looking totally different from what they actually came out from that device...so...as long as you do not have a very crappy equipment, what matters the most is your ability while editing your media...
Fact 1: phones are hugely overpriced. Fact 2: they allow almost no creative control over shooting. Fact 3: oversharpening, color and contrast manipulation and artificial bokeh messes most pictures up. Fact 4: RAW shooting on phones is terrible, these RAWs look nothing like DSLR's RAWs, which are normally crystal clear Fact 5: it fits in your pocket. So, if picture quality and creative freedom is what you need for your pro work, you go with a camera. If not that much, choose a phone.
What two cameras do you want to see compared to each other next? -Becca
do the vivo x100 ultra vs the 15 pro max
Fuji X100Vi
Sony A7R V + Sony 35 f/1.8 vs. Leica M7 + Summicron 35 f/2. I am not joking, seriously considering going back to film at this point.
The entry-level video content creator battle:
iPhone 15 Pro vs DJI osmo pocket 3 vs Sony ZV-E10ii
But an in-depth into really shooting videos (practical, not numbers by producer):
• Apple-LOG vs S-LOG vs D-LOG
• Stabilazations
• Shooting in normal formats
• connecting accessories (microphones, gimbals, ssd, etc)
• low light
• youtube studios
It would be amazing,
Thanks Becca!
Any android with Motioncam, full LOG and RAW video is available
A Sony sensor vs another Sony sensor 😆
Winner? The Sony sensor😂😂😂
@@naththoau its a joke because the iPhone's hardware is a Sony sensor. Not sure if you got that
Fujifilm xt5 vs Ricoh gr 3
@@naththoau Apple uses a Sony sensor, this is the problem with phone ‘photographers’, they are usually confident, confidently incompetent. The Apple is gonna be in focus most of the time because of DOF, if you have problems with Sony AF, chances are its a user problem.
@@naththoaupeople like you should stick to phones. Using a real camera is beyond you lmao
Biggest issue I have with phone camera is that what you see is not what you get.
get pixel instead of iphone lmao
@@_Pt3k_my pixel also doesn't have 100% accurate colors but its a bit better
yes
yeah! i usually think it looks better before all of the filters get added but there's no way to remove them
@@kjellbeats the problem is not the colour science but the heavy post processing that smartphones do.
So that's what ødegaard does in his free time
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Now I can't unsee it LMAO
The point on computational photography is so true. The FIRST thing I noticed when playing with my x100vi is “wow the iPhone does a lot of heavy lifting”. And it’s great! So often you want to get a nice photo of friends and you get to pay barely any attention to the light levels around you. It sees the faces, lights them correctly, and then gives you an image ready to share. The X100vi on the other hand makes you think about the light, where it’s coming from, how bright it is. It makes it quite fun but it’s a very different experience.
But once you get enough experience, you’ll never want to go back. Yes, the iPhone sees the faces and does a ton to them to make them bright enough. But if also butchers them (the shot at 3:13 is a great example and I’m SHOCKED Apple still hasn’t fixed this). And yeah, with a camera like the X100vi you have to pay attention to lighting and all that. But once it’s become second nature, your photos will become much better regardless of what you shoot them on.
Granted, I shoot only raw - not because I’m a snob, but because a lot of the time, it’s the only way of getting out of my photos what I want. So at a BBQ with friends last weekend I took a bunch of photos, all of which were leaps and bounds better than what the others got with their phones, but yeah. I did have to put my photos into Lightroom and process them. I’m willing to do that, but I understand why a lot of people aren’t. And that’s fine.
I feel like the X100 series can be a GREAT middle ground though! Film recipes can get you really far, while also taking advantage of a good sensor and lens. I kinda wish I had one in addition to my Sony A7C II. =)
Well put!
I'd say when using a camera, my focus is much more on making sure settings are optimal, keeping an eye on light (intensity, direction), dynamic range in a scene, nailing focus if I'm shooting at a wide aperture, dialing in the ISO/aperture just right if light is low, etc. With my phone, a good chunk of that ceases to matter. The phone does most of the hard work, and if I grab a few shots of whatever I'm shooting, usually most of them do nail it, unless the scene is completely beyond its capabilities. The result: I spend much, much more time thinking about composition - getting an interesting angle, framing things just so, feeling more emboldened to take photos including random people passing by (no one cares about someone taking photos with a phone, people definitely notice a mirrorless with a big lens), etc.
There are no right/wrong answers here. Whatever inspires you, or reduces the friction to have fun and take photos is the way to go. Unless you do this stuff professionally, at which point... you buy the fancy camera + associated gear and learn it all like the back of your hand lol
For personal photos, all I really care about is getting a clean raw file I can edit. My iPhone 13 Pro Max almost always delivers - even put up against my a7iii. Obviously the Sony has higher limits, but... I usually end up using the one that fits in my pocket...
I usually just have it in Aperture priority and change the exposure compensation based on the lighting. I guess that it is a tiny bit more work, but the photos i get out of my Fujifilm camera look so much nicer than any phone imo. And with a Fujifilm camera, you get film simulations, which make the process even easier. The fact that you can get usable jpegs that have beautiful color rendering directly out of camera is incredible.
@@gclip9883 Tell me about it. I'd love that in my Sony (which leaves close to nothing to be desired otherwise).
@@rickbiessman6084I like my cameras saving exactly the image they're seeing, not one so postprocessed it can reconstruct even detail that was never there
Which is why I buy phones with complete camera setups (if it wasn't so expensive I'd get a Sony Xperia) and that allow saving raw images or images with minimal processing
Sony really needs to make something to compete with the DJI Osmo Pocket 3. The awesome stabilization, small form factor and ease of use blows every other video camera out of the water right now.
let me know when your Pocket 3 can mount a telephoto lens..
@@Broken_Orbital considering the market is vlogging like this 1000$ toy then never
action camera and traditional camera aren't really comparable. Action camera focus on the durability for most versatile situation whereas traditional form factor camera focus on image quality. If all you want is posting videos on social media then definitely the DJI is way better but if you want that professional look and the ability to also take good stills, you gotta go for the Sony
@@Broken_Orbital A good telephoto lens costs more than the camera itself!
@@STACYBURK buy used, buy vintage, buy adapters, save money.
4:06 that I mean whatt!!, caught me offgaurd.😂😂
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That's called a Penesini
i didnt even noitced, thanks tho
Italian here. “Cazzetti” literally means “Tiny d1cks”. 😁
whats funnier is that pasta is called ''cazzetti'' which in italian means little wieners LOL
love reviews like hers, SHORT, AND TO THE POINT! TY
I would also mention that you can get a Sony camera with the same size sensor for pennies! For the cheapest look at the NEX series, you'll get one for 1/10th of the price of this one. Then slightly better, cameras like a5000.
just like the pasta
@@PKM1010same sensor size but nex lineup and a5000 is really old and the different is way too big and noticeable. it's fine for still, but for video it's just too old. but if you really tight on budget, i'll get a6000 instead.
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I love bot comments like this everywhere
iPhone and smartphones in general have a really fried look. Like manufacturers trying to apply 10 sharpening filters or something
That's mostly on Android phones, with oversharpened and saturated look and skin tone
IPhones are far better and takes much more realistic pictures and handles hdr better too
@@yeagerfolk796 the IPhone 15 isn't even in the top 10 on the DXO Mark website. It's barely in the top 20.
@@yeagerfolk796thats really funny
@@yeagerfolk796 Colors are way off on iPhones.
@yeagerfolk796 nah, Apple has issues. As does Samsung and Google. They're all different issues, but none of them are perfect, far from it
The best camera is the 1 that you have access to most of the time. You can have a camera with all the of the elaborate specifications but if you don't have it with you during special moments then its just a product on display.
And I take my Sony A7C II everywhere I go. Because the best camera is the one that takes good pictures. My smartphone simply doesn’t; and even if it did, I still wouldn’t enjoy the shooting process with it.
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i'm going even further with this concept and getting the RayBan METAs... there has been candid shots i've missed simply because my phone was in my pocket, so having one on my face ready to go is the way forward
that's really not true if you are a professional photographer lol
This quote is so overused and misused. It only means that capturing the moment is more important than focusing on gear.
Im a pro videographer and I have moved from bringing a mirrorless and a few lenses on my holiday trips, to just bringing the iphone 15 pro max. The best camera is the camera you have on you and the 15 pro max is more than adequate for family photos. In fact, it still blows me away how they are able to simulate dof in photo and video so accurately with mostly software and a lidar sensor! It’s crazy!
it's hard for people to accept that the iphone is the better camera (which it is)
I shot professionally for only a couple of years, and went from canon aps-c to micro 4/3. And would have carry camera and at least two lenses. But it gets old, especially when the shoot isn't for money.
There are times I wish I had a real with me, but the vast majority of the time, I'd rather just enjoy myself with surroundings and people, and phone snapshots are easily enough.
Av987 “I’m a pro videographer.”
it’s thanks to your video on the ZV E1 that I ended up actually buying that camera as my first ever non phone camera, and one year later I’m making a living as a full time videographer with it :) I suppose I just wanted to say thanks for that, a review of yours kind of changed my life.
99.99% of all people starting out creating content only need their phone because 99.98% of them will just quit in the end.
since when has "taking pictures" become "create content?
@@heinrichh.6369 bro doesn't know photography and vlogging 😭
Can i just say your audio is amazing! A video on the process of recording and kit would be amazing.
Honestly i started to notice how crisp it actually was after reading your comment lol
I would guess a very nice microphone with a 32bit floating point recorder.
Becca’s videos are always a must watch. Great video!!
Becca! That pasta! I clutch my pearls!!! 😂😂😂
Surprised by how much I liked this video. Has been hard to find good comparisons like this where it seems like the person speaking actually knows what they're talking about.
Someday Sony will realize a $1000+ camera doesn’t remotely compete with a $1000+ phone.
A camera is something people buy in addition to phones, not instead of. And phone prices are a lot easier to justify with all they do.
So a dedicated camera can’t just be “better”, it’s gotta be a LOT better to be worthwhile for non-professionals.
I have a late-model smartphone (P8Pro) with a highly-rated camera. I also have a Sony full-frame camera that's 3 generations back (a7iii). The Sony rocks, on any display larger than a cell phone display. Especially in low light. Low light cellphone photos just don't hold up on large displays. My Sony gets better pics WITHOUT stacking images.
When image quality matters, there's no substitute for a real camera.
You're both right
I love your reviews. It brings back memories of my photography discovery in the early 2000’s. The enthusiasm, the love for the image, the analog feeling of using a real camera. Thank you!
The people that want any sort of camera and those that want to shoot off their camera are different demographics though. I used to carry my camera EVERYWHERE, but that was because the camera on my phone wasn't good enough. Now with my s23 ultra I haven't felt the need to carry my big clunky camera, and yet another bag.
@charlesdamien5849: I too carry my Sony RX100-7 everywhere; for me I only a mddle-ling Samsung, with a phone cam that is decent, but the sensor size on the phone cam is way too small and there is only so much you can do with software to compensate for those limitations. If you want to carry a camera I suggest a Sony RX100-5a, or a -7, it has SAPM modes, and can shoot raw& .JPG. The zoom range on the -7 goes from 24-200mm, whereas the -5a goes from 24-70mm. For me phone cams are quite good within their design parameters, but once outside, the photos are inadequate. I don't know about the video on the phone cams, but the HD video on my RX100 is quite good, it will do 4K vids but the file sizes generated are huge.
@@ronaldlee3537This is a very personal choice. If you just want to capture the moment and emotion then any modern phone will do. For all the people using cheap phones to capture those moments, none of this matters. As someone who had those really bad phone cameras and also went everywhere with a camera I now use mainly a A10 S and a S8+. Until printing photos becomes a thing again does not matter. These th things only matter for pros and enthusiasts and the companies that make products for them. Each is not better but good for what is used for. A hammer is not better than a saw because they do two very different things.
Try a flagship phone camera in today's market. They're surprisingly competent.@@ronaldlee3537
I use a Pixel 7 Pro and I find that I rarely miss my old Canon 5dm3.
Good luck with your storage and transferring huge files and battery management.
If you’re a novice and beginner then yes it would work based on what you just said but if you aren’t a davinci and Lightroom user than you not like us and good luck with the phone 📱
CAN YA'L BRING DIETER BACK FOR A INTERVIEW?! I WANT TO KNOW WHAT'S UP!
Didda, is working in the corporate world .. he'll never come back. parasocial love is bizarre to me
@@PHlophe That's not a parasocial relationship... 💀 it's just curiosity. Learn to distinguish or wait a while to understand if you learned a new word 💀
@@Monitornation you're being curious about a person that doesn't know you. open the dictionary
@@PHlophe didda 😂
I miss didda 😭
This is precisely why regular cameras are extinct or about to go extinct. They're both good enough. But one's a phone.
I just hate the workflow shooting videos with an iPhone. With the new USB-C port it might be a bit faster, but transfering footage to a mac after shooting for a whole day takes ages. Also editing iPhone Footage in Premiere is a nightmare due to the fact, that the iPhone records in a flexible Framerate - for whatever reason that is useful. 🤷🏼 Made Premiere crash multiple times.
I was forced to shoot with iPhones for a specific production, where they wanted the "authentic TikTok look" and I hope this was the last time I had to do this. 😅
Love my Sony FX3 now even more. ❤
Just turn off the flexible framerate... had the same issues with Premier crashing on iphone and samsung videos with flexible framerate.
Great video. The verge is lucky to have you on the team.
Keep it up!
This is the presenters best video yet; direct to the point without being obnoxious! 👍
appreciate that, thank you 🙏
agreed
I think a huge reason people love dedicated cameras so much, is that people want to detach themselves from their phones when they're out and about.
There are no distractions. And every picture on your SD card will be a picture you took, and not a screenshot, or a meme someone sent you.
04:05 you literally ate a bag of them 😂😆😆😆
Good one 😂
What I really like about this video is that it doesn't feel artificial or too much scripted, it feels like a natural review.
What a great video. Love your energy and vibe Becca.
Do a comparison video of the $1400 cameras mentioned
THIS
Yes pls
you need to decide what you want / need a camera for (e.g. video, street photography, landscape etc) and go look for cameras that do that. not by price range for cameras that are not all designed for the same thing
I just want something like the Galaxy K again. Also we had some phones that were modular with clickable accessoires, If only Samsung or a big brand would make a proper camera attachment for smartphones, it would make the camera business really fun again
I think they are afraid it will be super niche and won't end up selling a lot.
But it would be nice if they did.
Normal phone cameras are pretty insane rn, imagine what we could have if it was modular.
True af we need more first-party photography/videography mods. The brand Nothing’s subbrand CMF released a new midranger with interchangeable backs. Xiaomi 14 Ultra’s Photo Kit has a dedicated case where you can attach filters as well as a sidegrip which doubles as a power bank.
I would've said let's go the other way and add smartphone-level software to dedicated cameras. Imagine the software from a Pixel or iPhone hooked up to a professional camera body and lens.
Sony seems the most likely candidate since they've got both phones and cameras already (and pretty damn good ones). Google and Apple likely don't care enough about pro photography.
Happy I was not the only one that had that camera. :) The xenon flash was also great.
I’m still rocking my Olympus OMD EM10 Mark II. With its 17mp MFT sensor, 5 axis IBIS and interchangeable lens system it checks off everything I need for the photography I do.
I believe we haven't seen the Samsung S24 Ultra vs iPhone 15 Pro Max, would love to see that
There's only like a thousand of those videos on RUclips, yeah we definitely need another one!
@@rl-pavel I just like Verge's review, photographer's view you know...
In September. The zve10ii vs the iPhone 16 pro max. Then I will decide if I am getting the Sony. I’m tempted now
Becca thanks for this video, especially the camera comparison at the end.
The Sony's main feature is that it won't interrupt your photography to show you what a celeb is eating for lunch. With the Sony you might make some art.
It is only matter of time before camera manufacturers begin incorporating Computational Photography feature into their cameras
This is so sad.
If you shoot JPEG, the camera do some sort of computational photography, same thing with film simulation. If you shoot RAW, and transfer it to your mobile and let apps like Snapseed to enhance it, you can get computational photography too. Some people find the photo editing after the shoot tedious; shooting JPEG, and using Snapseed may solve that.
Never
that will probably be in a separate mode if so, so we can have the choice.
I have an iPhone 13 pro and a Sony A7 III with Tamron f2.7 lens, and I use my iPhone for almost all purpose and use Sony for specific occasions. So yeah, unless you are a professional photographer for a wedding or event, you are better off with top smartphones like the current iPhone max or Samsung Ultra. Top camera gears are not easy to use for most users and needs a big learning curve and lots of experimentations so choose based on the needs.
This is my kind of video. Thanks, Becca!
Dedicated cameras are the one, and make photos much more special.
An iPhone is great for convenience and light documenting, but my Fuji X100V takes photos that are truly magical with much more detail and depth that help you to relive a moment.
Amazing amazing video!!!🤗 For your next video, I would definitely love to see a photography centered comparison between the Vivo X100 Ultra and your choice of camera. I think the focus of the comparison should be the element of speed in respect to quality, and how much of the gap between the two devices have been bridged!
Vivo X100 Ultra's new 85mm 200mp lens is quite amazing, so maybe the camera it's being compared to can have an equivalent focal length!
Up until the very end you had me convinced that this is THE CAMERA to buy! Now imma buy the A9
I own the 1st gen ZV-E10 and got an iPhone 15 Pro Max a short time after. I pretty much use the iPhone completely for photos and video (only 182 shots on my Sony). I prefer almost all the iPhone shots in your comparison with the exception of the weird artifacts you point out, but I don't run into those situations often. I guess as I get older, I don't feel the need to tweak my photos that much if they can come out of the box 90% pleasing to the eye. And when I do want to make adjustments, it's more convenient to do so on my phone anyways.
You are just the best, Becca. Please never stop doing camera and earbud videos!
Thanks for reviewing cameras! I'd love to see a review of the Pentax 17 film camera :)
The best camera is the one that’s always with you. At this point, the difference is not drastic enough to carry this whole thing around instead of an iPhone.
Becca vid drops. I leave Like. Tis a simple transaction
Best videos from the Verge.
Imagine hardware of these handheld cameras with the software of these phones, like a Pixel Camera. That would be just amazing.
So basically an Olympus camera
The capabilities of the iPhone camera these days are crazy.
I think the iPhone's photos and videos are so good that its deficits are invisible to all but the most observant viewers, especially if the content is good, so as to not draw attention to them. For something that's always in your pocket, it really is an incredible tool, and one that I don't hesitate to incorporate into my workflow.
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Good afternoon from Europe! :)
HOW TF did I just land the kinda channel I've desired to watch literally rn, huh!
Thumbnail says "full frame" but isn't the ZVE-10 II using an ASPC sensor?
Its the name of this video series
This video is what I just needed to understand the difference. Do not let go of Becca
1:01 it’s not full frame
Not super obvious I guess but that’s the name of the show, not the size of the sensor.
Its the name of her show bruh
As a photographer who bought an iPhone as a camera substitute, I personally think that addition of a separate camera hardware is necessary to help spare your phone from the ridiculous heat a long photo and/or video session produces. So, if you are going to produce videos and/or vlogs on a semi-regular basis or higher, investing on a separate camera like this Sony is a fantastic idea!
I'm a simple person. I see Becca, I click. I watch. I like.
I would love to see a comparison between this camera, Fujifilm XS20 and Panasonic S9. The so called "vlogging" cameras of each company.
Really cool comparison. Thats what I needed.
I used to always use my full frame Sony A7 camera for portrait photography. But ever since I upgraded to the iphone 15 pro, it's been able to do like 70% of the stuff my camera can do, but without the fuss. If we are talking about video, no question, I'm just going to use just the iphone.
Its blows my mind that no one has created a dedicated camera with smart phone camera tech/processing.
you need SoC for that.
@@aqwandrew6330 Sony makes and owns all the elements required to make this innovative device.
@@aaronthibodeaux3558 you need chipset like Snapdragon to have that "processing" you mention. It aint magic
@@aqwandrew6330 Sony made phones that had some of the best phone camera in the business. Samsung would also be a prime business to create this product.
They have… kind of?
It sucked and flopped.
The sensor is too small in phones
It's nice to have the feeling you are using a real camera, but honestly, the iPhone/Samsung look better on my screen. On the night photos and videos, the difference is even bigger.
Honestly, I liked the iPhone footage better.
Absolutely a Full Frame is a win. But then lenses are more expensive...
That phone is beating that camera 90% of the time...
Thought I was the only one..
On auto for sure, for someone who knows how to use it… impossible
It its 99% a video camera tho… keep that in mind
Are you blind? lol.
@@bassyeyHe's feeling that way because the iPhone is typically going to make pictures brighter and faces more clear. Which for most people will make them feel like it's a better photo.
you don't see all the details watching photos from compressed youtube video on small screen. It is like watching at a 10 year old car from 30 meters. It will look ok, until you come closer.
Becca's energy and positive vibes is unmatched she's definitely a keeper
About 4-5 years ago I decided that I wouldn’t buy another camera and generally keep a newish premium phone. It’s been the right choice for me.
Imagine if camera makers used computational image similar to the iphone. This would make me buy a camera again.
Naw. I use my real camera to capture the world as it is, not fill in pixels with make-believe. You might as well skip both and just prompt the ai for a picture of what you want if you're happy with made up fill in information.
“There will always be a better camera than the one you have. Be happy with your choice and enjoy what you have. Choose a stopping point and start being content.”
iPhone 15 Pro Max is the answer for most people. For the rest, it's not the Sony, it's a way better professional camera. You will always have your phone with you, but probably never the Sony. The difference in some shadows and skin tone at a certain moment of the day is not going to tip the scale to make you carry an extra device with you all the time. It's fine, we don't need professional grade photos, and when we do, we are professionals buying the latest Canon that costs 4 times more and produce better results.
Nikon z30 is a surprisingly capable camera too.
I bought it getting tired of Nikon coming out with a better APS-C camera. I bought it hoping that I can switch to mirrorless at a lower cost while I wait for a better APC-S camera. However, I was pleasantly surprised how handy it is especially due to its compactness.
Convenience (having a camera in your pocket all the time) and speed (of editing and uploading) will almost always win.
Unless you're in a niche which requires a real camera, a phone camera will almost always be better.
The renting... is the best advice I've never had before this. It used to be impossible around my area, but maybe it is now. Thank you. :)
I remember Why I upgraded from the Sony A5000 to A6300, it was the Viewfinder. I can imagine that would be the same with this one.
I wish I had only watched till 6:12, now I’m confused with too many options 😭😭
The differences cited as problems with the iPhone 15 Pro Max are easily adjusted in Apple Photos, not to mention the Apple ecosphere which organizes, GPS stamps and backs up to iCloud. The only advantage I can see to another camera is longer telephoto lenses and ergonomics. That being said, I just upgraded my Nikon to the Z6III for those reasons and "just because" I love taking pictures. But I never feel second best if all I have with me is the iPhone 15 Pro Max. In fact, many times those photos come out better.
I’ve used a Sony a6400 and a iPhone 15 pro max. I got the Sony after the 15 pro max, because I was not happy with the quality especially of the pictures. A Sony with a good lens will out perform any iPhone for days to come 🙌🏻
So I’ve been thinking about just this. People used to say that sure full frame is better, but it’s how you use it that matters. And I really think Apple has proven that with their super advanced computational photography. I would however love to see Sony do a better job to marry their insane camera tech with their very strong computational photography software.
I want to be able to let it do that, then flip it back to manual.
I think giving examples with an upgraded lens would have been good, just to show off how much background blur and low light performance the camera is actually capable
I would like to see a mini series of some sort where you use the cheapest camera from each manufacturer like sony, nikon, canon, etc
Kit lens is 16-50 (24-75 equivalent)
Best camera is the one you actually carry. Full frame is great if tiú carry it but we *always* have our iPhone, it starts up and takes photos instantly.
I very recently bought my first mirrorless (x-t30). Make no mistake people, phones can’t even match the quality, potential and the artistic choices of a good dedicated camera. Yes, my iPhone 13 can take good photos out of the box without the need to tweak any settings, but a 1.000 -1.500 camera’s photos viewed on a screen larger than 6” will downright win the iPhone almost every time.
And another important point for Cameras that they never degrad their image quality with software updates like mostly every mobile brands do including Apple
Unless you are into video editing or panning shots i think ZEV-E10 Mark 1 is a bargain. Paired with the sigma 18-50 you'll get far better photo's than the mark 2 with its kit lens.
I don't understand why Sony would not embrace computational photography a bit more for this segment of cameras. I mean, it's aimed at vlogging, where you really want a decent result in any situation. The iPhone, even with its flaws and tiny sensor is generally doing a better job at this if you ask me. Imagine using this technology with the Sony's sensor, it could be awesome. They could even add a setting to turn it on or off, so you still have the option to be in full control.
I found the answer easy, because the depth of focus in the images on the left was much more shallow that that in the images on the right. One of the factors that affects depth of focus is the size of the imager. In the days of film cameras a Hasselblad and/or an RB67 always had a more shallow depth of focus than did a 35mm Nikon or Canon. And an 8x10 view camera had less depth of focus that did a Hasselblad. It was always a matter of matching the tool (camera) to the need (type of image desired).
if you have the first version of the sony zve10, i don't think it is worth it the upgrade (instead save more money for A6700)
True saying.qt
Iphone 15pro showed that computational photography isn't what it was chalked up to be. The biggest upgrade in smartphone video quality was a software toggle that lets you turn OFF the computaitonal stuff. Shockingly, treating the smartphone image like a professional camera does, makes it look a lot like a professional cameras image.
For photo, a6000, for video, a6100. Still best choices of the lineup as "gateway cameras".
It's so pleasing to see this video there's something different to it💆
From before the reveal--Left: Better in city lights. Right: Better with motion. E train: no clear winners-- colors both seemed off, but Right felt a bit more like the E train if that makes sense. Left: Better in the afternoon light. Midtown Sheraton: Definitely the left.
I think if I were a content creator, I'd probably be doing some color correction in either case, but the one on the right (iPhone) would be harder to recover from when it gets things wrong. But as a mere layperson, this doesn't seem like a _huge_ difference, and one of the options also comes with a phone :-).
The ZV-E10 is a vlogging camera and for me personally, smartphones just can’t keep up in video yet. You cant do focus stacking and exposure bracketing and all sorts of other computational magic when you are shooting video, so raw sensor performance is way more important. And then on the lens side, fixed wide aperture means you will always have your shot blown out when outside during the day on a phone if you want 180 shutter for proper motion blur. Unless you add an ND filter of course, which you mentioned for the ZV-E10 but failed to mention for the iPhone. When in fact it’s more important for the iPhone, and less convenient on an iPhone since you don’t have a lens with filter threads.
16-50mm @1:19 (in other words 24-75mm)
A7C user here, cheers for mentioning it, love it
softwares is one of the reasons why most people think modern phone cameras do kinda suck
what you see is not what you get
i've read some article where they say XR has the best camera, i just think it is because it lacks the software computation that the newer model has, the older camera system gives you what you see
Personally I really started enjoying my A6100. Took some amazing pictures because of the choice of lenses, which were impossible to do with my phone. Maybe it's best to combine and balance using phone and camera.
I love my original ZV-E10! The features on the Mark II and white body make it a very tempting vlog/beginner friendly camera!
In the end 99% of photos and videos we see on RUclips, instagram or other media, people is going to edit them, ads filters, use edition tools and finally, the picture/video will end up looking totally different from what they actually came out from that device...so...as long as you do not have a very crappy equipment, what matters the most is your ability while editing your media...
Fact 1: phones are hugely overpriced.
Fact 2: they allow almost no creative control over shooting.
Fact 3: oversharpening, color and contrast manipulation and artificial bokeh messes most pictures up.
Fact 4: RAW shooting on phones is terrible, these RAWs look nothing like DSLR's RAWs, which are normally crystal clear
Fact 5: it fits in your pocket.
So, if picture quality and creative freedom is what you need for your pro work, you go with a camera. If not that much, choose a phone.