Is A Benelli M4 Clone Really Worth Half The Price? - Orthos Arms S4
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- Опубликовано: 13 окт 2023
- "Turknellis" AKA Benelli M4 clones imported from turkey have an interesting reputation. from one side you hear great things and how awesome they work. from the other side you hear about malfunctions and jams. Orthos Arms reached out with their take on the Turknelli, claiming to have fixed all the common Turkish clone QC issues with some out of the box upgrades.
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The Benelli M4 is a semi-automatic shotgun produced by Italian firearm manufacturer Benelli Armi SpA, and the fourth and last model of the Benelli Super 90 line of semi-automatic shotguns. The M4 uses a proprietary action design called the "auto-regulating gas-operated" (ARGO) system, which was created specifically for the weapon. Designed in 1998, the M4 was adopted by the armed forces of Italy, the United States, and United Kingdom, among others, and has been used in a variety of conflicts.
I did misspeak on the price for those who care - $1100 for flat colors, they have cerakote camo ones that cost more. Just a correction so I don’t do anyone a disservice.
Thanks, bud :)
I watch because the video and editing quality is too good to not to.
It was good to see Charles out there with ya. You've done such an amazing job behind the scenes for so long, its cool to see the camera flipped and ur channel doing so well!
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@@samwhitaker0 political inflation, no, real inflation, yes
Wait $1100 for this thing?
Yeah that's too much for a turkish 'clone'. Idk what a legit M4 is, but I can't imagine spending more than that for one.
Maybe if it was $300-500. There is a crapton of semis/pumps in that range that I'd choose over it.
As an owner of one of these, I have to say it is easily one of the shotguns of all time.
It's definitely one of the shotguns
Does it identify as a shotgun though,
I have one too, i run it pretty hard great gun.
I just want the turks and greeks to be chill because i invest in them and if they fight im fucked financially speaking 😂
@@ap894oh brother there is long history between us. Generally the rule of thumb with balkan countries is that they always have at least one neighbouring enemy and we should never mention them online or everyone goes crazy. Being Greek I can say that the hate between us is infinite and will probably never end. Good shotguns tho.. People are 50/50 on them around here
This shotgun's producers is very important and serious company in Turkiye.Their quality standart is very high.I m 46 years old and living in Turkiye . I am a hunter for a long time.I know every brand in Turkiye. Who want to buy this shotgun and other products never be regret.greetings fromTurkiye
kral eline saglik iyi yazmissin. I can vouch for what he says, I m in a similar position and can repeat what is been told !
Abi I have never heard about of this brand. Is it one of the company that changes name when exporting abroad?
Bu silahı Türkiye'de hangi firma üretiyor?
@@huseyinyasar9379 çok araştırdım.bağımsız bir firma sanırım sadece ihracata çalışan.ama benzer güzel çalışan dört beş firmanın tüfeği var.aselkon,ermox,akdaş,typhoon
@@qoubi I was about to ask same question. Nevertheless product looks solid.
$1400 is a hard sell when you can find a 1301 at the same price and a Benelli is $1800
I’d still take the 1301 over an m4…I’m biased though, cuz I have one lol
I also misspoke, flat colors go for $1100
Mossberg JM pro is also 1K
Or a a300 patrol for 800 and 300 rounds of ammo
@@platapus112 The A300 Patrol is solid. Got the chance to shoot a coworker's the other weekend and it ran flawlessly. If you keep an eye out you can even find some police trade in flitecontrol 00 buck under a dollar a round.
As a owner of a turknelli. I can tell you. They are awesome.
My Turknelli runs like a racehorse. That $375 Toros M4 has been nothing but reliable.
For half the price, it’s worth it for all your Kurting and Cobaining needs
I bet it smells like teen spirit right out of the box
You Fugggin saaaavage
At that distace even I can't miss
@@borragoNevermind money bought her that new face that’s for sure
Only need one shot so fuck it if it jams
I am writing from Turkiye. Turkiye is a jurassic park for shotguns :). You may find any platform of rifles' shotgun verisons, AR15's, AK's even Steyr AUG, Tavor like bullpup platforms. It is because, for civilians, owning an assault rifle is strickly forbidden in Turkiye, so gun lovers buy these bore barrell shotgun versions. As a result, there are hundreds of shotgun producers. Maybe 20% of this producers are very professional factories, but the rest are some kind of under the counter producers. So there is a very big variation in quality. Generally in Turkiye we buy the shotgun, use for a while, than take it back to factory, explain the problems :) they fix and after that, they are pretty usable. Best wishes from Istanbul, very nice video.
Best summary of Turkish Gun Industry
Interesting, thank you for the insight
Do you have any official documentations 80% of producers are under counter. I would advice you to Turkish goverment as a brand ambassador of Turkish shotguns….
Can you actually prove that it is 20 percent ? All shotguns i saw and used (even the cheap ones) work well.
Shotguns and turkeys going hand in hand
I'd love to see Charlie just popping up in other guntubers videos too would be great/hilarious. Wandering around at demo ranch or coming out of the woods at Kentucky ballistics range and hanging for a bit
Let's see more wondering Charlie!!
Get that man his rake and send him off
We’re trying to get literally any of them on our channel…
@@DeskPopHey you's guys are a couple a goobers!
It could be like “Where’s Waldo”…..but it’s “where’s Charlie” with the glasses, it works
No way! I have one of these and LOVE IT!! She’s used and abused- 4k or so through it, a bit of surface rust, zero issues, no parts broken. Got mine for under 1k at a local show. Well worth it if you’re wanting this style of shotgun.
For this price, I would probably go with the Beretta A300 Patrol and fully build that out.
No doubt. You'd have $200 left for a sling and light.
I did and I love it. Especially with the tactical lifter - critical upgrade.
I ran the same random ammo test that Micah did on mine and have not seen a single malfunction.
I got a Benelli clone and I had to send it back to Charles Daily because the bolt jammed to the rear of the carrier. I had one before that and I got a refund from Classic Firearms because it would not cycle the next round even after 100 round of break in ammo. The Charles Daily is setting in pieces in a box. I bought a A300 and I could not be happier. Still want a real Benelli M4 and is next on the shotgun list.
I agree with you totally IF you just want a shotgun that works and don't care about the looks. (not that the A300 looks bad at all) But some of us really dig the look of the M4 so that's where this would come in. The Italians for serious use, the Turks for LARPing like an idiot.
A300 ultima patrol is my dream shotgun after seeing it released
As a Canadian, buddy of mine and I picked up a "federation firearms SA-4" benelli clone for 700 Canuckistan kopeks
So far, it's eaten everything thrown through it, bout 500 shells in the last 4 weeks between him, myself, and quite a few of our buddies
My a300 eats everything I have fed it .... Everything except my thumb.
Most people that buy these Benelli shotguns buy them for the brand name recognition.
You do not need to buy a semi auto shotgun that costs $2000 in order to get one that works reliable.
I purchased a $175 semi auto shotgun made in Turkey, added a mag tube to make it 8+1 for $60, added a pistol grip adjustable stock for $100, broke it in properly.
It will fire any 2.75 and 3 inch shell provided they are at a minimum 1150fps and have over 800 rounds through it and no failure.
Shout-out to Shooting Surplus and your channel. I was able to get a $600 S&W 9mm used for $415. 1st handgun I've ever owned and just went and shot it with my dad for the first time today. Great memories. I appreciate the ad from you and the service from Shooting Surplus.
That opening felt like it was going in a "Deliverance" direction. So relieved it was only cold-blooded murder.
I got my Canuck Elite operator m4 clone for $600 CAD its been an absolute beast! Cycles everything from lightest to heaviest loads. No misfire or jams its literally fantastic. I genuinely love it.
Your Canuck Elite? Is it smugly arrogant about climate change yet flies with a private airplane and is secretly Fidel Castro son?
I am seeing them for sale at two sites for $1,100.00 The stove pipe malfunction was from a low power / pressure shell , there was a big difference in the ejection velocity and distance when they fired full power slugs right after that malfunction.
I have a clone made by a turkish company for Canuck firearms,(i am Canadian please feel sorry for me) ive put 1000 or so shells, Cleaned it regularly and fitted it with some upgraded foregrip goodies and a better grip. I love that shotgun.
With that President of yours, trust me, we feel sorry for you.... But then again we have a Brain dead Biden!!!!
the stuff canik produces im assuming thats what you meant to spell is subject to nato quality tests. so you should be all good, the carry pistols was replaced with canik i think (source i have contacts in defence industry here also military parrents)
Canadian. You poor thing.
Canik is legit
Canik is awesome
I am becoming fonder of this channel with every video. The silly vibe of just doing dumb stuff and being cool with that is unique. Love you guys.
I got crazy lucky and was able to pick up my Benelli M4 for like $1600.00 slightly used in like new condition. Still one of my favorite stories to tell. Loving the content, amigo.
I've Have been a full-time gunsmith for 26 years.
I have two different Tukellis and they work GREAT.
The "ploblems" I've seen on other videos are easily corrected and so far everything I've tried is Benelli parts compatible.
The Turkish M3 copy DID need a lot more work to get right.
I just bought a Templeton Arms T-2000 button release 12 gauge marine tactical shotgun that is made in turkey,$1500.00 au and it is one of the best shotguns I’ve ever owned and used. For the price the quality is on point,it’s a well made firearm and I’m very happy with it. As you probably know here in Australia semi-automatic firearms are heavily restricted to feral animal control and military use only so it was the closest shotgun I could get to a semi-automatic for civilian use.
This is a cool shotgun for sure. The Langdon Tactical Beretta starts at $1600. SO this does keep them competitive for a customized shotgun.
Man idk what those turks have been up to lately but their clones have done nothing but run fine for me
We have been quietly cooking up something special
Charlie is a national treasure, just like Micah and Garand Thumb
He needs his own channel
The Self Deleting Italians tremble at the thought@@donh1572
unlike other channels, this one is overwhelming with quality and informatiove objective opinions. you sir earn yourself one more subscriber. cheers from Turkey.
Browning auto 5 for 400/500e in mint condition...went through both world war , works with everything and you are able to put a mag extension and make it a 10 rounder
And the browning speedfeed
Congrats on 100k Micah! You’ve earned it!
Love my Orthos Raider great gun all around ive put 4k rounds through it no problems. Runs like a sewing machine.
You guys are freakin great together!!!! Also love the garand thumb combo all of you guy's are great! You have earned a new subscriber. That said i purchased the torsos t4 copolla added oversized charging handle found a company out of new zeeland that sells the collapsible stock that is identical to the benelli just without their name on it have over 500 rounds down the pipe and absolutely zero malfunctions of any kind did the break in as per manual and it just runs!!! Just need extended mag tube now and. That one you guys tested looks pretty dope now I'm going to have to get the mlok hand guard great video keep them coming
Brilliant video. Great intro. Thumb better be proud of y'all branching out and starting the global conquest and conquering
I have a panzer m4 and as soon as I got it I took it apart and de burred polished all the internals as best as I could and it has ran everything from birdshot to slugs no jams or malfunctions . But for the price this Orthos is not bad at all considering all the parts included.
Still going well?
@@globnoggin8779 yep no problems yet .
You guys are great. Sometimes these videos do the job better than going through a full 30 min of testing. Straight to the point and funny. Thanks guys
I just tortured tested by base “marine coated” model, I love it. It’s now worthy of upgrading, anything over 1200fps works great! Literally Herters 1180 didn’t work, Winchester 1200 ran without issue, it’s as if math is an exact science lol
That intro was so well shot bro! Great stuff
This is amazing video, great work guys
Canada has a brand called Canuck, we call em canuckellis, they work awesome for a turkish gun. Canuck goes above with their QC than most importers.
BABE WAKE UP MICAH POSTED, AND CHARLIE’S IN IT
Always a great day when Marlie is back
good review and always good to see saint charles
Great job Micah! You have a new subscriber sir! Keep up the good fun work bud!! 🤠
I'd like to have seen a 500 shell session akin to James reeves of TFB's Turkish shotgun burndowns
His Turkish burn downs pretty outdated now.
He will likely do another one here soon
I really want him to test the “good” Turk shotgun, the Stoeger M3000
@@DeskPopisn't it just like 3 years ago? I doubt much has changed
@@finnl6887 lot’s has changed; three years is a TON of time for this industry
@@DeskPop while commenting on a shotgun that came out in 1998 lol
I’ve seen several reviews on the Panzer M4 and all have been good.
Nice skit at the beginning 😏
imitation is the best form of flattery.
Oh yeah you guys did the Hunt for the Skinwalker! Thought it was familiar 😂
Skit theft
Mr steal your Vid
Great video as always! Also, imma need an album made of the outro music! I had to replay it multiple times because it’s fire 😮💨
I picked up a Dickinson arms turknelli for like $500, it’s been running pretty good. Only had an issue with some birdshot a friend loaded, other than that it chews everything up. I love it, still wanna get a real m4 one day
I love my mossberg 940 JM. Got it on sale for $750. Great for blasting trash
I own a Turkish bullpup 12 gauge and I love love love it!!! 😀
I like shotguns. I have 3. My trusty old Mossy 500 pump, currently in cruiser configuration, or door knocker if you prefer. The other 2 are the Benelli M2, and M4. The M4 is the Titanium version. The M2 is so light, I couldn't believe it. The M4 is just the opposite; a heavy beast. First time visiting this page. I like your style of videos quite a bit, you got my sub and my like!
As a turknelli owner the first major mod I got done was braise the top rail onto the receiver so no wobble
Good idea. Just three 3 inch turkey shells were enough to leave the rail hanging by a lone screw.
I put 350 rounds of assorted high velocity buckshot, 00 buck and slugs (mostly the latter two) through a panzer arms M4 without issue, never cleaned or lubed it. Spent 2x the purchase price on a vortex optic, a side saddle, adjustable stock, full length mag tube and midwest industries handguard. Honestly surprised me and while I won't say "just as good", nor would I trust it for home defense (despite how reliable it's proven) it's a great range toy.
We would say “just as good” after putting thousands of rounds through ours! They’re also benelli compatible for parts so you can absolutely replace anythjng internal with OEM
@@DeskPop Very true! If I ever have a parts breakage on my Panzer M4, I'm just going to get OEM Benelli parts.
to be fair they come drenched in lube no matter how many times i clean it more comes out
It won't last from heavy use, you'll see with your own eyes.
@@alessiosem2238 1.5k shots no issues you must have bad eyes
I can't even pay attention to what Michah is saying when Charles is in the background just being special C. You guys are great!
Having a Benelli M4, I would never bother looking at these, but I commend you brothers for the review.
As a turkish I have never heard a turkish brand like that. The most known turkish weapon brands are CANİK Sarsılmaz MKE TİSAŞ
Since the patent on the ARGO system expired, why doesn't a company like Mossberg make their own? Having a US made Benelli clone would get around the stupid 922r bs for imported shotguns wouldn't it? It would be nice to have an option for an affordable Benelli clone that already came with a full mag tube, collapsable stock, etc. from the factory. I doubt PSA will get into shotgun territory anytime soon but if they made M4 clones, they'd probably offer every configuration imaginable.
The 940 pro gas system is actually pretty insane. Also Beretta started getting around 922R for the 1301 by sending all the parts individually from Italy to US for final assembly. Still Italian. They could do same with M4.
That pfp 😂
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Love the content! Keep it coming please
I want to hang out with these dudes so bad😂
Im glad i live in the PNW, just knowing Micah and Charlie are somewhere close by.
Makes me feel alittle bit safer😂
That inflation you referenced doesn’t include corporations being allowed to mark up beyond belief for no reason other than they can and they call it inflation to avoid consumers losing their shit.
in Turkiye Benelli m4 cost to 90.000 - 100.000 TL but the clones cost is 6.000 - 14.000 TL
man charlie i really love your channel, that other guy you have on is pretty ok too but you are the star of the show. Im going to go out and buy 3 of these guns now bc of your awesome review, i just love the saiga so thanks for doing this vid!
I listen to what you say for pure entertainment value. Thanks!
Dude great shotgun. These Orthos guys are going to be the next big thing.
INB4 PSA makes Benelli M4 clones that kick ass for 900 bucks
If PSA makes Benelli M4 clones I would hope they'd be more like 400-600 bucks
Man, my Christmas list gets longer by the day but my paycheck gets smaller by the minute. Love the video guys.
This channel brings so much fucking joy.
Glad I got a good Turknelli. My Panzer M4 has been nothing but great!
The S4 Raider is $1150. That's a helluva lot cheaper than the stated $1400 and makes the math much more reasonable for a "cheap Benelli M4" (since the base model M4 goes for about 1900.)
The Beretta A300 Patrol is truly the “Beneli M4” at home and is cheaper than a Polished Turkshit shotgun.
Mossber 940 tactical is cheaper and better then this turd as well
@@vegeta420z6You can get a used 1301 Tactical for 1100 any day of the week, so no, this is still a ridiculously tough sell. Quite frankly my 1301 is a better shotgun than my M4 H20 so even a real Benelli is a tough sell, but I digress. There’s a select few Turkish manufacturers who make very high quality handguns, but I’ve never seen a single Turkish shotgun that was worth any money at all. In a world where Mossberg will sell you a bombproof shotgun for $200 or less, there’s literally no excuse to own one of these and defend it.
I bought one for $900, after taxes it was $1087.39. Have yet to shoot it
Not when a A300 is cheaper
Up here in Alberta I got a similar clone. A Charles Daily M4 clone for around 600 dollars. I'm about 200 rounds in and no issues. 😊
It’s pretty sick to say I subbed to you when you only had gaming videos on here, i hope to see this get bigger you deserve it man for real
Actually, the Stoeger M3000 is quite the same as the Benelli and both are owned by Beretta Holding Co., with interchangeable parts. The M3k (3-gun version) is good enough
Completely agree! I have an M3K, and it is amazing. Its really one of the hidden gems in the shotgun world. I guess most people just think of it as a comp gun. Beautiful aesthetics, and SOLID aftermarket support
Is the Stoeger using a copy of the ARGO system? The receiver looks similar, but their website lists it as inertia driven and not ARGO.
@@maxwelllieb5576 I don't think so. It's more like a Benelli M2 than a M4
I have one of these, ive ran it PRETTY hard. Thing stands up and is definitely worth $1400. Also you’re not buying a Benelli with all those bells and whistles for under $3.5k and forget it if you send it to taraan or agency. You spending thousands at that point.
I would love to see you pit this with the agency arms one honestly! Just a goofy test seeing if they both can do the same thing.
I had a panzer m4 that ran amazing. Bolt was crazy smooth and never had a failure or malfunction. The price is worth a gamble for a good one.
Regardless, for 1400, any screws should already have thread locker on them just like a 1400 AR is still a cheaper rifle but the castle nut should be staked properly.
Edit: saw your pinned comment and even an 1100 PSA has a staked castle nut. Screws backing out shouldn't be an issue
But anyways, Micah's hair is on point
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Am I hearing that right... $1400 for a Turkish shotgun?
I remember seeing one of these at the gun show about 30 years ago. My dad kept bragging how he could shoot every round in the tube before the first one hit the floor
Damn, that would be so dope to get sponsors like that sending stuff out like that. Bad ass y'all
I think for the price, it would be better just to get the actual benelli m4. I got the benelli M4s with the good stuff and the peace of mind having the tried and true benelli is good in itself. For the benelli M4 that isn't neutered, you're probably looking upwards of $2,200-$2,500ish, depending on where you get it and taxes, etc. You'll have the undeniable best, though.
$2200 all day long maybe less if you shop around for the 11732 variant.
Why? the Turkeneli's are literally built with the same tooling. Canadians know the deal, the Turkish shotguns are generally pretty quality. I have a supernova clone, absolutely destroys any equivalent Remmington or Mossberg when it comes to the finishing and machining of the components.
@hamishmmc, if you're spending that much for the spiffed up one he's got in the video, I say just go a little more and get the benelli. Everyone is free to do what they want.
Even at $1100 it’s having to compete with very well put together mossbergs/Remingtons/Berettas.
Great video, very well done. I feel like even a mossberg 940 would outperform it tho
Love when Charles makes an appearance anywhere
Prayers for you guys getting a table sponsor!
$1,100 ain't bad. As it breaks in it probably would run smoother as a recoil operated shotgun. Not bad
This editing of two of you looks real good!
I have the Aksa S4 which is the base model of the orthos, and its an amazing shotgun for what you get for the price, especially on a website like psa which can be had for sub 400.
LOVE THE INTRO!
I tested the tac12 against a benelli m4 H2O and it rocks. The sulun seems the best from what I’ve seen. I’ve shot hundreds of shells through the sulun and it’s about 99% reliable. I trust it. The sulun is about $600 too.
Hellll yeah Micah! Kind of curious who your camera guy is though.. Gotta get him in some vids
We watch just for the entertainment!! Keep making us laugh and keep being you.
That is in the range of Berretta A300 and the Mossberg 940 pro tactical
ive had really good luck with turkish made guns...
i gotten a few on a whim just because they were so cheep.
after a quick stoning and polishing they all run great.
I own a Benelli M4 which has been flawless. Hundreds rounds training family on a friend’s farm. Home defense for family. Well, few other arms in house as well.
You 2 are hands down my favorite gunners!🤣 The level of Sarcasm out of Charles is uncanny and Micah is just plain old fuckin funny! Keep it up guys...killin it, Like how ya killed that Squatch!
It’s like Micah and Charlie were two NPCs that got their own DLC!
As an owner of an m1014, seing his adjustable stock work makes me seethe.
Great Video. I'm really liking the vibe.😅
Finally, someone else who appreciates the Sangin kinetic in matte instead of black
Just picked up a pair of the Qilo Choco Chip Joggers from AP! I wish I would have used your code! Next time for sure lol
I have one of these, been a great gun so far. But I don't shoot shotguns often anymore, unless I'm bird hunting.
Ahhh the TRS-25. Everyone's first red dot. Still running mine
I always test my new shotguns with birdshot. If it cycles birdshot, it will cycle everything. BTW is subbed to your channel. You deserve it👍
Stoeger is owned by Benelli and their M3K model uses same parts from the Benelli M2…and you can find a used one for sub $500. They work just as well as the M2 (the entire bolt assembly and action are the same).
i have a panzer m4, so far about 600 rounds of both buckshot and birdshot, runs very nice