The POF Phoenix - A PCC You Have Probably Never Heard of
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- Опубликовано: 23 дек 2023
- I haven't ever had any experience with anything that POF makes and i've met the guys a couple time and thoroughly enjoyed their company. so i decided to reach out and get some hands on experience with a firearms made by POF. TLDR I think POF is SO CLOSE to having this thing be an amazing option. i would like to thank them for letting me be honest and review their gun with no strings attached. Thanks POF
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man... between the price and the proprietary mags, it went from a "man thats cool, wonder what they actually go for" to "oh... nevermind"
did the same, just laugh, buy more ammo, keep shooting your scorpion or AK-V, AR-V, or AR-9 of choice
Propriety mags? Hahahah if it’s 9 it should take Glock mags (or at least scorpion mag, come on!?)
@126theman Scorpion and Colt mags should be standard. Glock mags suck to load when it's a 32 rounder. Double stack/double feed mags are the only ones I consider for PCCs. HK and MPX mags are good too, but again proprietary and expensive.
@@BigfootUnibrowMan like they suck to insert into the magwell or they suck to stack?
@@126theman Both kinda, but mainly talking about loading rounds.
That's cool but they're out of their minds with that price.
The difference between an SMG and a PCC is freedom.
Yeah man it’s steep I agree. I honestly think they’re super close however. Changing the lower to accept different mags and a 90 degree charging handle and this thing would definitely be competing.
Pcc is for wishy washy people who are uncertain about buying more than 1 caliber.
@@micahmayfield 1700$ that is not worth more than a 1100. PSA AKV $1000-1200.
It’s about tax time
Debt isn't real if the economy crashes
Expensive. Proprietary magazines. Not sure why it didn't take off....... POF having a hit or miss reputation is the nail in the coffin.
???POF-USA makes some of the best Ar15 pattern guns on the market, there designs have been copied by Ruger, Sig, AND PWS to name a few, Their Piston system Ar15 is one of the most Robust and reliable short stroke piston Ar15s ever made. They pioneered sooo many upgrades that have become standard fare in the industry. Granted The new Tombstone lever action I think was a misstep by them, but to say that gives them a hit or miss reputation is pretty laughable. But I guess we are all entitled to our opinions even if they are wrong.
Ok, but their track record on PCCs has been sketchy.
Meanwhile PSA "hey were putting a hair trigger in thie akv that totally burps with a bouncy ball spacer... let's make it take scorpion magazines so it can have single and double drums.... and we'll sell every variant color/clear of ours for like 10 a pop
POF needs to be strictly an AR manufacturer. Their non-AR offerings suck.
@TT-ch2pz You're not exactly wrong.
They should have used the scorpion mags. There very affordable, easy to load, Magpul makes a 35 rounder, and I’ve never had a problem with them
Truth. My akv likes the Magpul mags, the OEM akv mags are worse.
@THCv3 what issues have you had with the PSA AKV mags. I've never had one.
They also make drum mags too
It sucks, but at least they aren't CZ handgun engineers, who can't even manage to design same generation same caliber semi-automatic pistols around identical mags. -- a CZ owner.
This is definitely one of the PCCs ever made
what was the origional video that was in ahha
Yes.
Okay Kamala.😅
that Dracula Flow hits HARD
Since POF is known for their piston driven rifles, I was hoping this would be piston driven like the MPX. Since this is direct blowback, I guess I’ll stick with saving for a MPX.
Have you ever seen the size of the piston in a MPX? it's like the size of quarter and right off the chamber. I just don't think 9mm was meant to be piston driven.
The MPX is wonderful, certainly worth every penny. The tappet is very tiny but all I can say is that it works. In Lead We Trust leads the charge with meaningful upgrades to the gun especially with the new SD barrel that was released last month.
never seen a 9mm that shoots smoother than the MPX
Maybe, but it's still an improvement over straight blowback.
@t.dubbya7000 is pretty comparable to roller delay and has a good track record. Even if your statement is true, SIG did well to make 9mm piston driven.
I LOVED the MP5 Navy model I carried for years. A couple of years ago I built a 9mm AR and although it’s fun, it can’t compare to those memories. If this is anything like that, I applaud you. We got featured in a 1998 issue of guns and weapons for law-enforcement at a high speed range in Mississippi. Consistent 185 yard hits on metal can’t lie.
Finally a review on this gun! I’ve been looking at this for awhile.
Merry Holidays my dude! Hope you and yours have a fantastic holiday season.
POF for whatever reason really likes to price themselves out of a lot of opportunities, when they get something neat, that has a niche application it usually sells well. The rest of the time, the company seems to stay in business but I never actually see anything they produce in the wild.
Best intro music and shooting montage. Just watching this on repeat will never finish video.
MIcah!!! Glad to see your channel growing, Brother! Keep the great content coming!
Love the content brotha! Happy to see you’re in Idaho now!
Great honest review!
Been waiting for good review on this! Thanks
You need to get together with Honest Outlaw and collectively have a discussion with POF on why their PCCs are sucking so hard. Between this and the tombstone, I'm half wondering if they're using AI to generate these designs...
Merry Christmas Micah Mayfield!
I have the phoenix and I love it. It is one of my favorites
Missed you, buddy. Merry Christmas
I don't know how I failed to realize you started uploading regularly ~6 months ago but today's discovery has made my night! I got a whole new interesting channel to go through. Comment for the algo gods and a hell yeah from me.
I love POF rifles and think dollar for dollar they are some of the best out there, but to me personally the Phoenix was a swing and a miss.
I agree I own 4 POF-USA rifles IMO, they are some of, if not the best AR15s on the market, Piston or D.I. but the Phoenix needed to be some sort of Piston or delayed blowback for that price, and the Tombstone needed to stay as a bad idea on the drawing room floor. It seems like Frank's kids and Wife are trying alittle to hard to push new products out that imo don't need to be pushed out. Someone need to tell them to just keep doing what they are good at.
Great seeing a buddy on Christmas Eve.
I love POF and my second AR is the Wonder. They are sweet.
I haven't heard a lot about their PCC's but POF makes some great rifles. Between the Revolution, P414 Edge, and the Renegade Plus there are some great options for some high quality rifles that have been on the market for a few years
However, they seem to like to do some "interesting" things to do such as this pcc and a lever-action magfed rifle
It seems like they only have 2 PCCs: this and the Tombstone (lever gun). The Tombstone was subpar and crucified for being unreliable (sin for a lever gun), and this was underwhelming for being such an expensive gun (especially for being a straight blowback).
So glad you did this because no one reviews it
I love POF. I was at the factory a couple weeks ago and dropped Garand thumb. Glad you guys are in touch with each other. POF is awesome!
My favorite is still the stribog sp9a3s with the upgraded lower. You get scorpion mags, ar triggers and a roller delayed blow back for significantly less recoil and way better to suppress
Excellent Review on a unique firearm..
the edit music of the old dude who says "dropped a perk in my soda now i'm levitating" has me actually dead bro i love this channel
I have a renegade plus from POF and it is really sweet.
But this because of the mags and price I will stick with my custom built PCC
That’s the nicest thing that came out this year sweet
If you live in a tiny urbanized state with limited opportunities to use full house rifle rounds, a PCC is about the most fun you can realistically have until Hughes is repealed. So definitely count me in the "I love PCCs" camp.
I ran an MP5 with the Navy trigger group. I absolutely loved that weapon. We typically trained to shoot two-round presses on full auto. In comparison to modern PCC’s, I will admit that the MP5 trigger is clunky and heavy.
Would you do a review on the Witt Machine suppressor? My local gun shop mentioned them and I have been thinking about getting into one. Thanks!
Love the jacket Micah. Respect the drip. 🌧
Those mags are a deal breaker by themselves, not to mention the other inconveniences & price.
Super cool. I have an AR-9 build that I have put together with the new frontier arms C-5 upper/lower that accepts MP5 mags and I would love to see how it stacks up against. The fact that it is a buffer less designed is a plus in my book. Im reaching out to Mean Arms because they released a bearing delay design that I might be able to incorporate with my build that peaks my weapon design autism.
Just here to say my name is Micah too! I love you.
Great video Micah! You are really putting out some excellent content i have a pof renegade that i have had for quite a few years now and it flat out rocks! Shes all pimped out and freakin runs!!!!! Never had any issues of any kind ever! Kinda sounds like pof dicked the puppy on this one a bit still nice but they need to step away from the crack pipe on the pricing keep up the great work and have a Merry Christmas
I have a direct blowback PCC that takes Glock magazines and I have a HK SP5. My PCC is somewhere in my closet and I haven't seen it in years.
What was that lo fi banger in the background of the opening montage? That was an awesome intro!
Love your videos sir keep em coming! Never even heard of this brand but doesn't really matter im still in commiieWA
Intro song is the best 👌 glad you made it out of this shit state wish I could merry Christmas
Love the Dracula flow montage at the beginning
Loading the mags a certain way is the biggest reason I don’t even bother shooting 22s most of the time. How the hell do you mess up the charging handle like that?
If its anywhere as good as my Renegade + its gonna be one hell of a PCC, been honestly considering getting one for the wife.
Using Dracula Flow in the intro was outstanding.
That Dracula flow go crazy
After seeing many reviews including issues with their other posterchild weapon: the Tombstone, they're going to have to really prove themselves selling this PCC at that price point...
Great video on a gun Micah
Intro is so dope.
Looks awesome❤❤❤
The charging handle
Would be fairly easy to make your own 90 degree one. The only thing that’s not a super easy fix would be the mags but I’d have to have my hands on to see if it can be milled to fix that etc. by nice if they included that trigger for the $. But still a nice one to have
🤘🎅🤘 Merry Christmas bro!
Dracula Flow is my new favorite genre can't wait to see him live under the great pyramids.
I think they’re perfect!!! Except all the downfalls Haha 😂 AND I have yet to see one actually run, this is a first for me Lol 😂 thanks man!!
The Dracula Flow in the intro makes me so happy
Loved the Dracula Flow you added in 😂
cool gun. cool edit. cool music. perfection
The intro was beautiful
That intro song was wild!😜
Love the Dracula Flow in the background of the intro
Put some never dull car polish on the mags. It’s the polish that comes in the tin with the cotton fibers I use it on all my mags
I absolutely love my Phoenix. Such a great badass gun overall.
Can you hand load your mags looking at buying one now
I like it. I want the CMMG Banshee Mk.10, though.
I think this is a really interesting firearm, but for $2,000 I’d be getting a CMMG Dissent 9mm. Reliable, radial delayed blowback, folding brace/stock, takes Glock mags which I have lots of.
For $2k you're much better off getting a Dissent, MPX, or hell even an MP5 knockoff (non-HK for
Expensive firearm using proprietary magazines. Looks like POF tried taking a page from B&T's book... and note that B&T has finally climbed on the Glock mag bandwagon. Regretfully, do not want, will stick with my current AR with a Matador Arms magwell adapter and Glock mags. Regardless, very thorough review!
I have been waiting for a few years for someone to do a review on the POF-USA Phoenix, I bought a CZ Scorpion Evo 3 S1 because of the Price difference.
I own a POF-USA P308 AR-10 and I love my rifle it's 2nd to none.
If the Phoenix can take a Binary Trigger I just might buy one, hopefully Magpul starts making a magazine for it.
Any chance we can see a review on the Witt can? Essentially the 9mm one in video on maybe a 556 and 300blk. Could be a versatile can for guys new to suppressor game.
You should look at matador arms you can put it on any ar15/ar9mm lower and you can put basically any 9mm mag in it and any ar trigger depending on what lower you put on it
Peep the castle group mount 🤩
The Phoenix is tight, but that DRACULA FLOW tho
Dracula flow range tribute lol ruclips.net/video/OzJeNEyLfL8/видео.htmlsi=1N3RaKeGeq2F6szz
Intro was crazy. It might blow the lungs out of the body or shoot your eye out.
Didn't know POF had come out with this until your video. They make decent stuff - except mags apparently. Haha.
I'm enjoying my excellent performing Extar ep9. Not sexy and unobtainable.
But super reliable and affordable. Takes standard AR triggergroups, and glockmags. Wish i had a can for it, but i have no desire to pay a tax, for a right!
Installing the 90's Flat Trigger makes a big difference in the MP5
Id love to see you review their 16" 308 rifle, see what you feel about it
Good to know Micah is a fellow Dracula Flow connoisseur.
Bro, what is the hilarious backdrop audio in the first segment? Talking about Obamcare--Idon'tcare? My sides!
Sick video brother, wondering if anyone could tell me where to get that hand stop he has on there, thing looks clean and i might want to put one on my mp5
Merry Christmas.
Hollywood should re-make Die Hard with those
the dracula flow at the start is the best intro of all time
Merry Christmas
The dracula flow at the beginning was tight
If I'm going direct blowback, I'm choosing the noveske space invader. Very expensive, but has every mod you coild ever want and the bomb proof Noveske quality. Just my opinion.
I've always wanted a good pcc.i got s original 995.hi point...its better than the new in terms of ergos..and its a tac driver but mags and takedown is not ideal...and modularity is not good without wood screws and duct tape..I put a rail for a light on mine
I think it looks really nice. Also looks light.
I'd be very curious - POF has historically made extremely heavy AR compared to most other manufacturers. I wonder if they've managed to trim the weight on their non-AR options.
Damn, ngl it looks cool!
Dracula flow was a nice touch
Need to get the Lee sporting trigger group for that MP5
I need that intro audio 😂😂
DA I need that though.
How do you feel about Franklin Armory binary triggers? I have one in my Ruger PC Charger and it rocks!
Bro, Dracula flow... good choice
Finally, something from POF I can match with.
Bump firing, when the fast finger NES button mashing skills comes to full fruition.
Maybe they a vid will convince POF to change some designs on that pcc and people will buy it.
That's a great point about the MP5 trigger- it's (I believe) one of the points people have against the P-90 civvy version is that the trigger still sucks even though it's not an SMG.
I would argue the same against the scorpion, even though I have one and love it- you have to lighten the springs, because it's an awful trigger otherwise. If it were an SMG, that would be perfect. But it's not, and they should have made it better for a semi auto platform.
It's 2023(almost 2024) if you try hard enough you can find great triggers for the MP5. Timney makes an amazing one.
0:48 the lights doing a little dance, check your screws
Never thought I would see a hipster gun channel yet here we are.
The AK-V and AR-V are great PCC options, FWIW.
My AR-Vs have been legit. Only drawback I've found was the bolt catch button.