Manual vs Automatic Off-road
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- Опубликовано: 16 май 2024
- Manual vs Automatic Off-road, Which is better for off-road?
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I get sleepy driving automatic. Rock crawling in a manual stresses me out though.
Clayton Martinez yea you just gotta smash thru obstacles.
Lol Clayton u said u get sleepy driving an auto. This to me don't make sense because as you drive e. g on the freeway car is already in top gear which is the same as the manuel would be and when you drive in the city, with an automatic ur constantly applying the brake or the accelerator. I'm trying to understand when do you get sleepy when driving an auto.
You can have the big stress or the big snooze. There is no happy medium.
@@siyandabiyela2601 Nah, I definitely agree with him here, even if you do spend most of your highway driving in a manual in the highest gear, there's still more of a sense of aloofness and depending on the gearing and your engine power (and where you're driving) you may still need to downshift on the inclines on the highway. I definitely do because my truck is slow and not very powerful but has very advantageous gearing.
There's also normal shifting on the highway to slow down or keep pace with traffic and you don't realize how often cars shift on the highway until you have to do manually daily.
Automatic is doing all of that thinking and shifting for you and I think because in a general sense you're just less engaged in driving it's easier to get sleepy. I do when I drive autos.
Good news is since this comment I have gotten comfortable rock crawling with a stick. I wouldn't have it any other way now!
Here in North America there is a new phenomenon where thieves cannot drive manual and move on to a different car. True story. + 1 for manual = theft deterrence!
Luke Davis LOL! I guess that proves they really are lazy!
Not all that true though. I got my 5sp Camry nicked.
Hahaha that happened not too long ago here in PR.
I drive a manual car as my daily driver and I live in the USA.
Luke Davis Yeah that’s true. Best advice I have for people with this problem is to lock your doors and don’t leave your keys in your car.
I have owned both. Manual gets better gas mileage and can be bumped started. Auto is good for towing! Won't burn the clutch! If you drive in traffic you will hate a manual.
i drive in traffic and i don't hate it. It becmes second nature
@@dieselgeezer18 yeah I never understood the traffic argument. I commute 2.5 hours a day in stop and go traffic here in the SF bay. Wouldn't drive an auto if I had the choice. Second nature like you said. Those that complain just aren't good at driving manual.
@@Nessal83 I drove 13 hours to Maryland for Christmas got stuck in traffic for about 5 hours mostly uphill with no parking break I had to step on the break for most of that 5 hours my foot was burning..which is why my next truck will be an auto
@@wolfrus1809 christmas is once a year and if your car has a broken parking brake, I'm not sure how that is the fault of a stick shift. Even in an auto, you are still holding that brake pedal down constantly in traffic. My point still stands. I've driven multiple times from CA to Vancouver which is even a longer drive than yours and still will only do it with a stick shift especially for the parts going through the mountains. There is more control and it's second nature. To each their own.
@@Nessal83 on a stock clutch but who keeps their stock clutch. Stop and go traffic on aftermarket crush gets tiring
I was brought up learning to drive a 3-on-the-tree passenger van and as a 16 year old, I thought nothing of manually shifting a transmission in order to make a vehicle move. Not too many years after, it was off to the automatic and smooth shifting bliss. Then, I made a career change and found myself driving 10 speed, manual shift, tractor trailers. Although I continued to drive an automatic in my personal vehicle, I spent years away from the manual and found myself missing the art of shifting. When it came time to replace my '99 Silverado, I moved back into the manual 2017 Jeep Wrangler 6 speed and have never second guessed. To the novice, I'm sure they're a pain in the ass, but to an old timer in his 50's, it's a blast.
Beautiful story, thanks for sharing 🙏🏼👍
After so many years of having both I totally agree with everything in this video. Ronny is a smart dude. I would add if you overland or do a lot of driving in remote areas I would keep an extra starter on board if you drive an automatic. Can't jump or bump a dead starter so the only option is a tow or a ride into town to get a new starter. Cheap insurance.
Or familiarize yourself with taking it apart and cleaning it out
Aye, good to have a spare set of brushes at least.
starters can be jumped with a wrench or screwdriver, I do it all the time. My Dad showed me how to do it years ago and there are plenty of videos on youtube that show you how. Offroading 101..
Marcus Sullivan if the internals of the starter are stuffed, you won't be able to short it out. Won't be able to pull start it if it's an auto either
keabon
It happens but completely exceptional. My response was to the comment about not being able to jump a starter and bringing an extra with you, not exceptional cases, but thanks for your 0.02....
If you are that concerned about a starter failing, don't go offroad..that simple.
Apologies for the 360p current quality, it was uploaded as 1080p not sure why RUclips is taking so long the process the video into 1080p (the video size is nearly 2GB) hopefully its done soon.
14 hour later still 360p :/
Ronny Dahl No worries on the quality. I was watching on my phone anyway. As for the subject of the video, I prefer manuals as well for the same reason. Unfortunately in the U.S. we only have 4 trucks and Jeep Wrangler available with a manual transmission. Nissan Frontier, Toyota Tacoma, Chevy Colorado (4 cylinder gas engine only, and RAM 2500 or 3500 with the lower power Cummins 6.7L diesel.
Ronny Dahl Love your work m8.. just started taking some vids of my own.. here's one, delete post if you like 👌🏻
For some reason, it's also not available on AppleTV or iPhone/iPad.
3 days later, still 360p... might be time for a re-upload
I've owned both manual and auto 4x4s and I must confess I far prefer a manual transmission (but I was trained to drive off-road by the British Army); however most modern all terrain vehicles are fitted with automatic gearboxes with so much electronic and computer trickery that they can perform just as well if not better than a manual. So overall I agree with the conclusions reached by Ronny Dahl but I still think driving an auto is too much like playing a video game. 😁
During a water crossing, if you change gears with a manual transmission you risk getting water in the clutch which can cause issues in the future.
With an automatic transmission, however, you can change gears or stop driving and no water will find its way into the gearbox. This makes automatic transmissions the better choice for you if you know you’ll be facing a lot of water crossings with your 4×4.
Being partially disabled I have to vote for an Auto box, they allow me to drive more comfortably and for longer. Before my injuries I would have gone for the manual box.
I tore my left calf muscle a few years ago, and for once I was glad to be driving an automatic. I would have been unable to drive for months if I had to use a clutch pedal.
Autos are definitely nice because they make cars more accessible to more people.
Kinda like in Golf; Prefer to walk, but will take a cart when I can't walk anymore.
Exactly! I was in same situation
ALL the VERY BEST Simon.
Thanks for your very good sum up of the options, I really enjoy your videos. I would have thought there was very little difference between the auto and manual in low 1st on the down hill, but I bow to your experience. I have done many hours both privately and in a professional capacity, always in a manual. I now drive an auto SR5 Hilux and I would not go back to a manual if you paid me to. It took a while but I now have the feeling, through the gear box, that I thought I might not get. If I ever get over to Perth I will be looking you up on the chance I could tag along on a trip some time. Cheers
dont forget:
manual - anti theft from millennials.
auto - keep a sandwich in your right hand.
Or in the left hand if you're Aussie... XD
BHI haha you're right!
Every millennial I know drives manual???
Yoy heard about the young punks that car jacked a granny in Aus. they got in the drivers seat then realised it wsas manual and as retards they couldn't drive it so walked away
it's not millennials. its anyone who grew up near a city. because city driving with a stick sucks people assume you have an automatic so the pull up inches from you tailgate. and they don't care that you're on a hill.
He gave us an answer! Videos usually just give it a tie and say "you decide!"
I really enjoyed this one, thankyou, confirmed most of my thoughts, especially auto on the beach, I have a very entry level, fwd/awd ford escape ( to cheap to not buy ) that I finally used on the beach recently, and once the tyres were down, it did pretty good, except for trying to climb into the dune basins from the beach. Looking forward to more content
I find that people who can drive manual efficiently off road can also drive an automatic with very little effort or training; however, the opposite for automatic drivers.
Fj40365 I learned to drive in manuals and all my daily cars cars have been manuals but off-road... auto is just better, lock it in first and your set it’s far more enjoyable
Fj40365 no crap Sherlock, it takes training to use a clutch properly without stalling it
Fj40365 - CAPTAIN OBVIOUS TO THE RESCUE!!!!
How many years of research, scientific study and data collection did it take to determine your amazing findings?
:-)
If you start with a manual and work up experience, eventually you should be able to switch to an auto and steer with your knees while leaving your left hand open for burritos and your right for beer. Don't forget, your seat belt makes for a great bottle opener...
@chaosfactor333 Wow we are all super impressed with yoru amazing tale of driving dexterity. Perhaps you should write a book about it?
I've found the best solution: one of each!
That's me. And im a broke college student lmao
For the every day car automatic is fine, but I would definitely have a manual in a sportscar.
aka DCT
I would like to own a manual and automatic truck for off road, it would be awesome to be able to switch between the two if I wanted to go over landing one day or rock crawling the next
Same, got an 88 manual 4runner and a 2020 TRD off road 4runner auto as a daily.
I'll pick manual every time
Great, informative presentation. Thanks. From my Canadian point of view, I could have used a segment on snow, but I guess that's not a big concern of yours. Personally, I love a manual in most situations because of the incredibly precise control you have over power delivery with proper co-ordination of throttle and clutch. I don't care for the lag and surge of an automatic, which is especially troublesome in snow.
The mud section covers most if not all of snow conditions too.
Very clear explanation Ronny, I pretty much agree with you. I fancy the stick shift more in a faster car but when it comes to commuting and terrain I am a lazy driver and I prefer automatic.
I came from driving school. My teacher said we must to learn first in hard which is manual before you go to easy driving which is automatic.
Hey Ronny! Thanks for all of the great videos mate! Seeing the format of this video - would you do an off-road driving tips video for both manual and automatic for each type of terrain? Just very general and easy to remember strategies / techniques / tips that would be easy to remember in a summary format? Rock crawling, steep hill ascent and descent, mud, sand, water crossings, etc? 🙏🏻🙏🏻🙏🏻 Thanks mate.
Excellent, well thought out video. I much prefer manual transmissions for on road driving, but I prefer auto's for off road driving. One thing not often talked about for off road driving is the crawl ratio and stall. A manual trans needs to have a very high crawl ratio in order to lessen stall when climbing up sketchy places. An auto can have a lower crawl ratio, but due to it's slush, it will not stall in a precarious situation. Another advantage to an auto for off road driving is that when your attention needs to be on a narrow pass with a cliff drop, you do not need to be worrying about your clutch and shifting.
Great video Ronny. I've driven both for 30 years. At my time in life...at 50....it's auto all the way. Less stress on the old knee joint mate!
Andrew.
That's my huge issue keeping me out of one of my vehicles. It only takes 30 to 45 minutes and my knee starts voicing it's opinion .
My grandfather was a GM trained transmission specialist. He worked on manuals first, as autos were either non existent, or way too expensive as an option. There was also a 3rd reason. People, they were comfortable with what they were used to, they didnt trust automatics. They were not always as good as they have become. He told me once that if you drove a car round the world continuously the automatic transmission would outlast the car, he said many manual transmissions would wear out due to grease contamination and bearing failure, from the metal parts while the automatic with fluid that is almost all detergent would fair far better.
My Father thought he was crazy, he was a truck driver and had one calf muscle almost twice the size of the other from all the clutch work. My dad had a Jeep CJ5 with a 3 speed manual transmission. Every time he was climbing sand dunes (shifting from 1st to 2nd)or blasting down the beach after a summer the clutch would go.
My Range Rover classic LWB has 200,000 miles on it's automatic. (2 engines, 1 trans) I change the filter and fluid on schedule. I go to the beach and play in the sand dunes, and my legs are both the same size.
One thing you didn't mention, for good reason; is ice, better yet ice on a slight incline. in an auto all you need to do is let off the brake to have forward movement. None of that heel toe stuff you have with the manual.
I have had both, in many different types and brands of 4x4's. The automatic of today is far superior to those of yesterday. The manual is quite the dinosaur. For off road both can do it and both can perform well but the automatic is just plain better. Great job trying to explain the difference though. good luck out there no matter what trans you may run!
ill pick the dinosaur any day
john Kemple has
Christopher White err wrong fj80 is
I have an automatic xterra. Low gear is just not enough to go safely downhill on steep ones. You have to use brakes. Luckily it doesnt snow here else I think its a disaster. While in a manual you dont need to use brakes at all if you are in low. The vehicle crawls down safely. Automatic transmission might be more durable but in challenging terrain it can get you killed.
@@Chau-Y Depending on how steep the descent is you might need to shift up in a manual depending on how your car is geared even in low gear. I had to descent in 2nd even 3th gear mostly in my Wrangler TJ with 4:10 gearing because in first gear the wheels turned to slow, gravity took over and you would still be sliding down.
If you have to shift up halfway a descent you could be in more serious trouble faster then a to speedy descent in an automatic. Overall downhill is still harder in an automatic todo right because less engine breaking and you have to learn to use those breaks to the point where they slow the vehicle enough but keep the wheels turning.
I always considered 4WDriving to be done in a manual, I can appreciate how advanced and strong the autos are now. Even so and being a 60 year old female and love to cruise with an auto, I think I will still stick with a manual for my next 4WD purchase. Great video 👍🏽
During a water crossing, if you change gears with a manual transmission you risk getting water in the clutch which can cause issues in the future.
With an automatic transmission, however, you can change gears or stop driving and no water will find its way into the gearbox. This makes automatic transmissions the better choice for you if you know you’ll be facing a lot of water crossings with your 4×4.
Team manual since I was 15. Awesome and informative video though bro 👍🏿👌🏿
Manual's awesome. So much more entertaining to drive.
My duaghter (16) is buying a 2004 Honda Civic manual tomorrow. I grew up with all kinds of manuals (five speed, three on the tree) and although she's being a little apprehensive she's looking forward to it. And all the guys at school are saying how cool she is going to be. Wish her luck. I told her in a day she'll be fine. I'll teach her well. It's all about the clutch!
Are you married? Haha jk that’s awesome!
I purchased a Mitsubishi outlander sport with a 5 speed manual also equiped with hill start assist. Best decision I've ever made. I run from cvt automatics like the plague.
I've been driving my dad's semis and changing gears since I was 13. Its not as hard as some make it out to be
I love my stick but I find myself apologizing to my clutch more than I'd like to when I'm doing steep uphill starts or climbing obstacles. She hasn't worn out yet though! Love my Isuzu Rodeo!
When I bought The NotARubicon I only planned on doing some occasional dirt roads and mud so I got a manual because it was a good deal. Now that i'm into more extreme off-roading and rock crawling I WISH I had an automatic. Now the only advantage I see to the manual (that matters) is being able to make fun of the people in the automatics saying that REAL Jeeps are manuals and they take more skill.
how many people on this planet do you hear say “I can’t drive stick” compared to I auto? Lolol proof is in the puddin
I have 5 speed manual.just started off-roading.learned alot from this video.didnt know about shifting in water will get on clutch plate.very helpful
GREAT VIDEO! The Chief Concept in my Mind...In the end, the primary job of my rig is to get me home. Can you say that an automatic (perhaps a Toyota with high miles, going thru some of the terrain you spoke about which means alot of abuse and heat)... will that Transmission get you home? I have owned 30 cars and trucks and every Automatic I have owned has quit on me necessitating a tow home... I have never needed a tow home home in a manual - AND that speaks to my first statement : If you were out on your own and 5 days out in the bush (from any place that can help you) what transmission would you pick??
Best to learn in a manual - it makes you a better driver - but let's be honest, auto is where it's at most of the time.
Learn to drive on the road in an auto at first then a manual for the rest of your learning
Good video. Very informative, Thanks for that.
I learn so much on this channel.. thanks Ronni!!
Another great video Ronny.
At the moment I'm driving a manual 80 series, and after fracturing my coccyx snowboarding last year at Mt Hotham, the 6 odd hour drive home to Melbourne was quite uncomfortable, every gear change was painful - the missus can't drive a manual so I had to drive - so for me now, my next 80 build will be an auto.
Manual cause my partner cant drive it 😂
Tamlin Giles I went to buy a new Jeep back in the early 2000’s and my when GF said she couldn’t wait for me to get rid of the old TJ manual I had and get an auto so she could drive it, I quickly bought a manual. She wasn’t happy because she couldn’t drive it....
Haha... savage.
Tamlin 🤣that's totally savage
Jokes on you, rather have a beer and sit in the passenger seat
Ok
I have a 79 series and a auto wildtrak for work. I secretly like to drive the auto a lot more, even when 4wding
Awesome vid 👍 this is the 1st vid about 4x4 that I actually enjoy. It's short enough but very informative at the same time. Bro keep em coming we will support maybe u will even have your show on TV something similar to the old Top gear. I would definitely watch and support your show👍
Awesome video. I appreciate the expert knowledge. I'm definitely thinking of going with a full manual valvebody on my automatic now. I sure do miss my NP435 manual with the granny gear, thing was a straight up BEAST.
I agree with most of everything that was covered in this video.
I learned to drive with a manual.
Drove tractor trailer in the USA for many years all Manuel transmissions.
However one thing that I didn’t see you cover is the torque multiplication that takes place at low speed in an automatic transmission. The torque converter multiplies engine torque roughly 2.5 times at slow speeds.
And being a professional truck driver I prefer automatic in my personal vehicles.
I loved manuals until an experience I had. I was trying to get my built-up Jeep up a very steep hill with boulders. It was very technical and I was feathering the clutch to control crawl speed between stop and slow to maneuver over boulders without slamming down on a driveline/underside. After finally getting my front tires over a large rock, my body was thrown forward enough that I couldn't avoid pressing a little on the clutch as a result. Since I was having to feather the clutch, any little movement made a difference between stalling out or losing momentum. I tried this climb over and over, trying to find a way to maintain clutch/speed control and it was just too violent in the cab to have any kind of finesse or fine control. All the automatic-based crawlers had no issues with it. Since then I've been sold on AT.
put in low range you don't have to use clutch a lot
@@dieselgeezer18 No, I'm talking about really-challenging short sections, like getting over a wall. You can't idle in-gear if you can't move forward no matter how low your gears are. The best crawlers I've seen perform had 2-speed GM Powerglide AUTO transmissions.
@@jasonpotts6490 if you can't move forward in low gear then how the automatic will magically move?
@@dieselgeezer18 You missed the point. The point was not having to have delicate control over a clutch pedal position when being thrown around. With an auto if you stop, you don't have to push in the clutch, etc.
@@jasonpotts6490 but thats where all the fun is. Playing with the clutch and banging gears
I found this very very helpful as a newbie looking to buy an off roader. Cheers from the Scottish Highlands
Really enjoyed this video and I was pretty surprised by your final decision. I drive a manual MQ Triton, growing up I was surrounded by manual 4x4's learned to drive in a 98 Rodeo Dual cab manual.... Even though I know Modern Auto 4x4's are totally wow!!! I don't think I could ever give up the stick, it's more fun and I feel more "in tune" with a manual vehicle, it just feels like you get better "feedback" and information feeding back through the wheel, stick and pedals if that makes sense? Anyway love your vids, your channel is rapidly becoming my "4x4 how to manual" 👍
Great vid, good work.
In the vid however it appears you don't realize that in many new automatics, such as the hilux etc, you can move your auto shifter to the right and bang the gears up or down as you please. The car will hold the gear you chose.
Gee wiz Harry, lets get a few things straight here,
4x4 auto's have not been like that since day dot.
Using an example such as the hilux wasn't an attempt to promote the brand.
And lastly your reluctance to consider a Japanese manufactured car based on the fact that their cars are 25yrs behind the times is an amazing comment to make.
Thanks for your interesting comments Harry, were you drunk?
Thanks for the info, for me I'm going with manual but I would have to fit a heavy duty clutch for towing and maybe upgrade the brakes.
I agree about precision you made about recent trucks vs older generations with 3 speed auto. I have a 6 speed auto with semi manual mode (even if it says manual) speed selection switch mounted on shifter, and have hill decent control, tried it on an iced over 45 degree decline that went on for 100 yards, pressed a button and all i had to do was steer! was very surprised of its efficiency! so essentially i am night and day with older generations as I have way more flexibility
Great comparison and well thought out reasoning. I am a manual fan myself but they are harder to find lately in the US.
Thanks Ronny, no music, and you speak clearly, and you explained good !
Firstly transmission designs and specifications change a lot. A 3 speed manual with a dual gearbox off roader is great. But having more speed options can make them less durable. It is not fun to drive in the highway but it is not expected to perform as well on smooth roads since they are a lot heavy.
Automatics can be designed with manual downshifts and all time 4 drive. They are more fuel hungry but on the highway, they can be faster. You can still override the auto function with manual options like low and high speed driving up and down hill.
Thanks for all the great content on your RUclips channel. It has been invaluable. I was looking for a video on steep hill stall recovery in a vehicle with a manual transmission. I could not find one but have read a couple online posts on the procedure (let it stall, apply brake not clutch, park brake, put in reverse 4L, etc..) but have a question I'm hoping you could answer or make a video on. I have a 2019 Jeep JLU with a manual trans. These new vehicles are push button start and will not allow you to start the vehicle without the clutch engaged which bypasses one of the steps in a safe stall recovery. Any advice on how to accommodate a push button start 4x4 with a manual trans on a steep hill stall to back down safely?
I installed a hand throttle on my 88 YJ. Prevents doing the clutch, brake, throttle pedal dance.
Great really detailed explainations. Thanks!! 👍
Automatic: the car drives you.
Manual: you drive a car.
...the choice is yours.
I think most need auto had to get lots of people unstuck
If I’m getting an auto I might as well just buy a Tesla
In old school 4x4s sure, there's no computers controlling wheel speed just old fashioned engineering. Just don't see why you would buy a new vehicle with a manual box.
@@gruesomeloki because I want to drive my car and not have my car drive me. I have driven a lot of new auto vehicles and they all search for gears while I’m driving. I don’t have that when I’m driving a manual.
I'll go for the manual transmission
Automatic.... Hand on your girl's leg all the time...
Manual.... Hands on that corner...
Well, I don't have a girl so manual's fine I guess. 😭
Haha dudes who drive auto dont have girlfriends 😂😂
Just let your girl grab the shaft
Grab your shaft*
Teach a girl to drive a stick in the Wal-mart parking lot after a good date and she'll drive your stick when you drop her off. They love that shit.
G'day Ronny, was sooo glad to come across your page/vids. I'm a late comers to 4x4 off-road driving - call me a '4x4irgin' lol ). I'm learning heaps and heaps, I'm taking off in a round australia trip (open-ended) maybe get to shake ya hand and thank you personally if/when I get over to the west coast.
Your vids are just awesome. 👍👍👍
Matt (Melb)
Cheers for this video mate. Some great advice 👍🦖
Very good and logical video. Have you considered comparison of an Off road 4WD with no electronics and an Off road with CPU and lots of relays ? My preference would be ZERO electronics and a Manual Diesel 4WD vehicle.
Great video mate, I have driven both and for me overall the auto is the ticket. With the new auto high end 4wd, the hill decent is unreal
I’ve been wheeling through all the states for 40 years and have owned both. Every beginner should watch this video!!!!!!!!! Spot on and brilliant!!!
The best explanation what type of gear to choose. Thanks! I finally made a decision!
great selection of points covered. Considering this for both on-road touring as well as real off-road, and have to say that -- save for the water crossings -- I am all for manual. Mostly the sitting-duck scenario with broken gears or other vehicle problems is what makes me always tend towards the manual transmission versions of anything. (Have to admit though that it's kind of fun playing with what an auto gearbox can do these days, too...)
Millennial with a manual here. My first car was a manual, so naturally, I had to get a manual Tacoma and I could not be happier.
This video helps a lot from comparisons. I'm 19 and I've already had two auto Jeeps (an xj and jk) and loved both of them and wheeled the crap out of them (I buy, fix up, and sell cars to afford my hobbies). But I also love driving a manual, got to test out a jl 6 speed, along with driving other things since I got my permit. I have been torn on getting a pure off road toy xj, but still can't decide between an auto or manual. Cherokee 5 speeds are very expensive typically when compared to the equivalent auto condition wise, but is it worth it?
I have used both transmissions and I agree that the auto is a better overall transmission. I will be getting a new transfer case set up on mine which has a massive reduction in 4 low which negates some of the issues you covered in relation to the auto like less control in some of the older transmissions on a downhill situation. It also has the advantage of an auto-lock axle with the automatic so that you can shift into 4 wheel while traveling which is very nice in hard rain, mud, and snow.
Quality debate !
I prefer old reliable Toyota pickup 5spd and dual cases for that extra low range rock crawling.
What about use de brake as a "clutch" on the automatic? I mean, press the brake and accelerate until the engine forces agains the brakes, than release the brake on demand to have a better control.
You’ll burn the piss out of your trans by doing that repetitively. There’s still clutches and steels inside, autos usually only last 150-250k miles, doing that you’d be in the shop quite often and that’s $$$
Always drive an automatic with both feet while off roading. Sometimes you need skinny pedal and fat pedal at the same time!! 👍
Absolutely spot-on analysis. Well done.
Thanks, Ronny. Very helpful. Trying to decide between a troopy (manual and cheaper) or a big land cruiser (auto).
I believe that all those downhill assists are crap. Off road is all about having fun not just watching the car going downhill.
Exactly I’m 17 I want to have fun 4wheeling by myself not having the car do it then what’s the point of it, its supposed to be challenging and fun I’m not a old or lazy person. There is such thing as too easy.
@@mushstash7660 exactly
May i chime in a bit late with an examle? Last month i had to go up and down a little mountain here in the alps with our company Touareg (not the current gen, we got one with a center and rear diff lock and low range ect). 2/3s of the year the road is 20% asphalt and 80% gravel. But during winter it's usually 100% snow. So i put the Touareg into "Offroad" as i figured steep up and downhill on snow is kind of what the VW programmers would count as offroad. Uphill not much of an event. Downhill the Hill descent controll immediately interferred with my intended version of driving. And i couldn't get the damn "hill descent control" to switch off without going way too fast. (it switches off above a certain speed i think) I had to switch to "on road" in the driving mode to be able to use engine breaking like i wanted to. This way i could let the car roll down in a gear i chose at a comfortable speed without slipping and without using the brakes other than for serpentines. With the steepness and the length down, i expect the breaks to overheat when it's constantly using them with the hill descent control. (it has a LED indicating when it apllies breaks and it was constantly flashing for the short period unti i figured what i could do)
Oh, and no it doesn't have an HDC Off button. (at least i couldn't find one)
So i absolutely support the comment that these assists are crap. Not just for fun, but when you know what you are doing, they can be a p.i.t.a. and interfere annoyingly.
(I've got another story with a lane keep assist that caused a dangerous situation at 130kph, but that's a different topic)
You can use engine braking in an automatic car too. I do it all the time going down hill. Try not to portray the manual tranny as operating in an on/off mode. At least that's how you come across describing it. You can do uphill starts without any issue in a manual. Heel to toe technique, emergency brake use. A torque converter acts as a multiplier of gears, so you end up having a lower gearing with an automatic. Also, at idle the automatic tranny is not "off" or disconnected from the engine, it still spins and creates pressure, which causes no delay in the response. You can also drive it with two feet, one on the brake and the other on the accelerator. By slightly revving the engine while still stationary, you create more pressure in the converter therefore eliminating and faint idea of a delay described in the video.
D. Alex Oprea spot on. i have auto and manual 4x4 and both do just as good if you no how to drive off road, but i cant agree more on the beach work in the soft stuff with an auto
Best explanation on the subject matter , great example video selection, to further solidify your point ... great job mate !!
Thankyou for this.. It cleared up alot of concerns i had with our auto Triton.
Quite surprised actually, I always thought autos would be useless offroad in any situation.
Good video... 👍🏽
I’ve been considering changing my hilux to a manual.. would it be an easy replaceable process, or would I need to do some conversion? Help me understand
On my Hilux Surf Auto, I have. Rigged a button that sends a locking signal to the Torque Converter. So get nest of botj worlds. Can lock the TC on climbs and stop any slipping or heating and release at will
I think you reached the same 'split decision' that most people would. As a lifelong manual driver, I will probably opt for an auto in my next truck, a 2020 Tacoma, simply because I plan on doing a lot more challenging offroading in the future and I don't want to be wearing out clutches all the time. Plus, I know my skill level and I don't want to be "white knuckling" with my a-hole puckered when I should be having fun. Offroading in an auto is plenty challenging enough for me. I don't have anything to prove to anyone, I'm too old for that shit.
Thanks Ronny! It’s my personal opinion🙂that your videos are really great. And as for aut/manual: I used to have an old “Brazilianized” Toyoya Landcruiser (“Bandeirante” with Mercedes engine) which I really enjoyed but I’m really impressed with the performance (comfort and safety) of modern automatic “hi-tec” diesel 4x4’s.As occasional off-roader I’ll stick with my Trailhawk but understand that for the more fanatic guys a manual will be more exciting.🙃
I drive a 2016 Jeep Grand Cherokee. It has the trail rated package with all the bells and whistles. I have taken it on easy off road trails and have found that it performs better than my 86 Cherokee Chief. However, I am now in the process of rebuilding my 86 and putting the 4.0 in it and am torn about whether or not to put a manual or automatic in it. I think my local terrain might be what I need to set it up for. Not really sure though as I have seen my 86 manual outperform an automatic. I guess it's really just preference. This video did help.
I like my auto cause I'm a lazy bugger :) last 3 Range Rovers that I have taken off road, have been auto with a v8 petrol up front, agree on everything you brought up especially on the down hill with auto's tending to run off on ya a bit even if it is held in 1st low :) a little cadence braking helps keep it reasonable.
These Days I would say it is just a matter of preference... I can drive both comfortable off the road without any trouble... the delay in the takeoff I can't agree much on with modern vehicles - as it will be near nil for most vehicles... The newer generation of auto transmissions have come a long way - and it is quite enjoyable to drive one. One of he most important things to remember and maybe to teach/educate people about would be that you have to drive them differently... you need to be aware of what your technology is capable of and how to use it to it to it's full potential. I personally prefer the auto transmission these days as I can control the torque to a very high extend. But as I said - these days - personal preference... ;)
You make too much sense. No put down or involvement in a comment fight. What a breath of fresh air.
Thank you Ronny. This video really helps in making decisions on what vehicle to buy and go off road. 💪👍
This has helped me alot and has put my mind at ease with taking an Auto i love manuals but my injuries wont allow me to drive em.
I'd love your opinion on the new *8 speed automatic* on the current Wranglers.
I like the entertainment, challenge and control of a manual, it makes me feel like I have a closer connection with the vehicle. For me it’s also nostalgic, it takes me back to driving my parents manual 60 series.
This is really compelling. informative. thanks buddy.
Hey folks, I'm new to the channel and I realize how much I missed! I had a manual 1994 zj fully modified up to the doubler (dual transfer case in some regions) and it was so amazing in performance and fun to drive and above all thought it has the best control in steep downhills, however i have to admit now that with my current automatic fully modified 1998 LR discovery1 (without doubler) i was so surprised how it handled the same steepy downhills on its 1st gear with low range and CDL engaged ...it was even better than the manual without the need to touch the breaks...that was a real surprise to me
The clutch is not an on/off switch it's a progressive switch so you get more control in a Manual than an automatic
This wears out the clutch drastically, and autos you can brake stand to control over objects, build power in the engine and use the brake to control your speed. this can hurt an auto if too much heat is built though not nearly as bad as feathering a clutch.
Not as much as you think a clutch's life span is on avg 50,000 mi Clutches wear out. In fact, it's common for a clutch to be replaced before a car reaches the end of its lifespan. That's because clutches experience a certain amount of wear and tear in the normal course of use. Predicting how long a clutch will last, however, is like solving a complex equation with lots of variables. Any of those variables can make a big difference in how the equation comes out. You'll hear stories about clutches that last more than 100,000 miles (160,934 kilometers) and other stories about clutches that wear out in less than 30,000 (48,280 kilometers). So feathering a clutch will wear it out but you will only probable take 500 mi off it.
I seriously have no idea where you get the average clutch lasts 50,000 miles. Maybe this is the average for people that can't use the clutch correctly, i don't know. But anyone that drives a manual transmission car correctly gets a lot more than 50,000 miles.
Maybe 50,000 is the average now because most of the time, when I hear a manual car pull away from a stop they are riding the clutch too long. You can hear the engine get up in rpms pretty quickly and they are barely moving and then suddenly they release the clutch all at once and the rpms drop.
I would say the average is over 100,000 unless you are abusing it.
what is that first comment,i think he got it wrong,manuals have lag when changing,dont care how good you are,autos have non,plus 1st to rev is easier for bogs.a decent auto will far outlast a manual,plus when you pop the clutch in mud water,where does it go,??,in your clutch.autos are sealed.backward experts,uhgg.
I've got 200k+ and I'm still driving the original clutch. Only your teenage daughter would trash your clutch by 50k miles...
Good review. With my experience around the world with all kind of roads I prefer automatic only on highway and manual everywhere else.
manual is easier on highway than everywhere else because you don't have to change gears
very informative, thank you👍🏻
Super informative and objective review! Thanks!
I tend to find the automatics give better fuel economy than manuals when doing a lot of open road driving. Typically at open road speeds the auto is doing about 1000rpm less than the manual.
I've also found the lack of initial momentum bit you mention doesn't add up with the manual over the auto. The engine is still ticking over and should be set that it is trying to turn the wheels unless you have your foot on the brake. That and the quick gear changes with the auto is why they tend to be a bit quicker off the mark, but the direct drive of the manual I find gives more responsive performance at higher speeds.
Yes, I agree that auto's are generally better, but I much prefer, and drive, a manual.
The real reason you drive Manual is, The 79 series only come with a manual.
There’s actually a few blokes getting around with converted autos from the 200 series land cruiser
@Christopher White if you want to go to the outback get a land rover, if you want to comeback from the outback get a land cruiser
Lmao thats true
79 is my dream truck and auto are easier and better even though i like manual but i wish Toyota add auto in these beautiful beasts
Good video. A few things though.
A modern fuel injected manual transmission vehicle with a dead battery will not be able to be push or pull started, as you will have no power to the fuel pump or ecm.
The newer auto boxes have really low first gears, and even when not using hill descent(which I hate and turn off), I have yet to encounter a hill when I needed to brake.
Dear Ronny,
I'm a professional on driving manual gear boxes in bigger trucks on and off road in ice and snow,
okay, you don't have that down under, but the issues on the gear box differences are the same and.. .
you did explain it wonderfull.
Sending my very best regards,
Ylva
Great vid. Manual off /on roader here. I do find it funny that when you refer to the stick you pantomime with your left hand. Ah, the idiosyncrasies of the Land Down Under
cant blame him though. being upside down makes the blood rush to your head. poor feller gets his right and left confused because of it.
its a 4x4 information desert in my country, thank u Ronny!
wading preparations:
-ease your fan belt as to not drive it's blades into the radiator when it hits water you may also cover the grid to avoid mud being pushed in the radiator
-plug the clutch housing drain (it doesn't pater if you con't touch your pedal in water if dirty water enter the housing it's get to the disc)
-plug or schnorkel all gearbox transfer box and axle breather water getting in those is not to good
8 perfectionists will also protect their batteries if these are not maintenance free airtight batteries (not sure if even those are free of vents)
The iMT technology in the Hilux is pretty good, if you need to change down it matches revs. This is handy in sand, mud and almost anything.
You did a great job explaining the difference. In my 33 years on the road, I have only had one automatic vehicle and I am with you on the manual trans.
auto:
more torque in low rpm
smoother ride on bumpy track (less responsive throttle)
more leg room
manual:
more instant power, thus better for power drifting and burn outs
so I'd call it even
thats wrong... auto have less power than manual. 15% powertrain loss m vs autos 20% and also the auto tc acts as a clutch so yea.. manual is better for torque
ACE DOGBOY also often times it’s like a 6 speed manual vs a 4 speed automatic and first gear in a 6 speed is lower than first in an automatic
@@ivanfromtheeast4709 4-speed auto? mine's a 6-speed, and that's old. modern autos have 8-speeds.
Jarkko Seppänen in the older jeeps that are more common in the states they are 4 speed auto or 5/6 speed manual
you are wrong. Autos don't have good low end torque because there are losses in the transmission fluid. To prevent these losses a clutch locks in and prevents that but at low RPM they don't have as good torque as a manual
Very interesting ... . .we don't have much of a choice in automatic 4x4 here in India so i didn't know so much about it. Thank you so much sincerely for enlighting.
Thanks for this, really good knowledge to have.
It all depends on the terrain as you said, but for mountain trails, especially switch backs. especially if it's a 3 or 4 point one the auto is the ONLY way to go. It's the same situation if you are on a hill in the city or wherever and the guy in the car behind you is tailgating you. It is a real trick to get off the brake and off the clutch without bumping him and if you have a trailer hitch and run it through his radiator, well you know how that works out. Who knows, he may have a leaky radiator and needs to replace it so where's the guy on a hill he's looking for? I have owned both and on a switch back going up hill on a 2,3 or 4 point turn with a big drop behind you it's auto all the way for me.
I know manual toyota 4wds have a clutch start cancel that solves that problem.
Only thing I disagree on is the fuel economy, oddly your first point. Most, again, modern autos lock instantly in each gear after first. Final overdrive is usually more agressive maybe a .7 or .6 to 1, whereas a manual might be be .8 or .9. This is where your fuel economy will come from.
One thing to mention also is that autos are lighter and stronger than manuals are, planetary gears have no thrust compared to a manual with a main and counter shaft that loads the gear box case itself. so manual transmissions are made heavier to compensate.
I just prefers autos because honestly clutching and rowing 18 gears isn't something I want to do outside of work.
"I just prefers autos because honestly clutching and rowing 18 gears isn't something I want to do outside of work."
You don't use 18 gear in a offroad vehicle.
"Only thing I disagree on is the fuel economy, oddly your first point. Most, again, modern autos lock instantly in each gear after first. Final overdrive is usually more agressive maybe a .7 or .6 to 1, whereas a manual might be be .8 or .9. " You have a better control about the fuel consumption in a manual. It is not about hypermileing in overdrive. That is not how the standardised fuel consuption is determined.
"One thing to mention also is that autos are lighter and stronger than manuals are, planetary gears have no thrust compared to a manual with a main and counter shaft that loads the gear box case itself. so manual transmissions are made heavier to compensate."
Now we enter fanboy territory with a lot of non sequitur in it. :D
Driven both off road, currently driving a 2012 Ranger with 6 speed auto and find its comparable to a manual but without the drawbacks sometimes found with a clutch, particularly on steep climbs
Great video on comparison between the two transmissions