Reasons why NOT to buy a Stillen Supercharger Kit...DYNO TESTED
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- Опубликовано: 9 мар 2020
- Whether you own a 350z, G35 or 370z, Stillen has been a popular option for forced induction. Their kits are available for around $7k-$8k promising up to "400WHP". Well, we put Stillen to the test and things didn't end well...
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Buddy’s g37 with a stillen supercharger made 470ish, we installed it and took it to a tuner, i dont think those base tunes are suppose to be the permanent tune I think that’s just so you can drive it to the tuner.
Yup, every car is different even if its the same model and mods.
Everyone knows you don’t use that basic tune that comes with it 🤦🏽♂️.... The title should say “Don’t buy a Stillen Supercharger Kit if you are on a budget”
THANK YOU. This should be higher. Mine with a real Uprev tune made over 400
Everyone knows that Stillen sells a plug and play SC kit for $8K that comes with a shit tune?
@@DriverMotorsports lol yes they do , before I got my kit I researched for months on the kits pros and cons. Some will deal with stillens tune because it ensures the car stays smog legal . I live in s.c so I don't have to worry about passing a smog test. I definitely understand the frustration of spending all that money with such little gains but if the owner doesn't have to worry about smog test, he should just get the car retuned . He's already spent 8k what's another 500 to 800 hundred bucks that will get him the power he wants .
i mean it should be at least driveable dude. dont be daft. someone inexperienced could think they installed the hardware wrong if the car doesnt start
Get your own tune from a VQ pro tuner such as saul l,admin or z1 etc..
Also something to consider, Stillen is the only kit I know of at least that has 50 state legal carb exemption. All the Stillen factory tunes come rich so you can “safely” drive it to a shop a get a legit tune.
This tune isn't rich
I think a lot of people are misunderstanding the point of the video. I think they know that the problem is the tune and that’s why they’re not recommending stillen. Stillen promised something that they didn’t deliver. You shouldn’t have to spend extra to get a custom tune if you already paid stillen for it. The tune is only the beginning of the problem. The A2W system is super inefficient so it heat soaks badly. What’s even worse is you don’t even know when it’s heat soaking because the MAF sensor is mounted where the intake pipe is behind the grill, reading ambient temps, not charged air....
Finally, someone understands
I’ve known a couple of people to buy the Tuner Kit and make over 400whp/tq. However, those were on the EcuTek Software. I do agree with you, their “Tuned” kit should be 100% perfect for that price.
On my G35 Vortech, the tension on the Gilmer side of the supercharger (belt already installed on yours) does not need to be as tight the belt and pulleys have teeth. Over tightening that adds to the bearing noise at idle. Now the factory pulleys that hook to the front side of the bracket has to be tightened via the factory tensioner. The tell tale sign of a loose belt is that same squeak at startup. Tightening it went from 6psi to 8psi without a squeak.
You keep saying not to buy the kit but yet it wasn't tune properly. Maybe instead of asking stillen for a tune you do it yourself or have Moncef take care of your dirty work
I concur. Spend 4 hours and tune it properly. Come on guys...
That is besides the point of this video. This kit is supposed to be for the average guy looking to install this kit on a weekend with some friends. Everything should work right out the box.
In the car scene its never out the box...just part of the motion
We call BS on that
I like how these guys only like comments that support their stance on stillen XD It literally only needs a tune I dont get the big deal. They are trying to ride the Stillen title to get views I believe
Remove stillen intake to the charger and use a Turbo guard , also relocate the maf sensor to the charge pipe , and upgrade intercooler and you should be able to hit 500whp
You guy should try to link up with Admintuning they do magic with the stillen supercharger
We did not tune it. The customer paid a ton of money to buy the Stillen kit that included a tune. Stillen told us the tune is perfect. We can definitely make more power if we were to tune the car but the customer is not ready to spend more money.
In one of their videos, they redesigned the charge pipe between the supercharger and the throttle bodies since they found that the Stillen one is way too restrictive.
@@DriverMotorsports Then your customer shouldn't had bought the kit. Your customer should've bought an OEM forced induction car instead of converting a naturally aspirated into forced induction. As a matter of fact, you guys should've told the customer that this situation could very well happen when converting NA cars to forced induction and he/she should have a few grand extra set aside for situations like this.
Shame that the kid has to be redesigned, don't you think?
We agree
still hoping that GTM twin setup will come back someday or are they still in production ?
Thanks for bringing us yet another vibe 🥂 enjoyed
Hey thank you very much for this video, guys. I was considering this supercharger for my G37. After watching this, I have decided not to go this route because I would have tried to do it on my own. THANK YOU!
jbizmirli these guys clearly don’t know what they are doing!
I found your video because i saw a stillen supercharger listed locally for kind of cheap...now i know why. Thanks for saving me some money and frustration!
No problem 👍
Very honest video but now my question is ..
Wich supercharger u you guys recommend for my 370z 2012
thank you for being honest man. We need more videos like this, reviews of forced induction kits for z's and g's. from the high end to the lowend
The defenders are out in full force but they still admit that the Stillen tunes are crap and the kits themselves have issues.
Also you need to add the SOHO cooling system.
I've had really bad experience with Stillen techs and customer service. I would have consulted with Z tuners like Z1 or Admintuning
Did you upgrade your fuel injectors and your fuel pump?
So I am prepping for boost…I was under the impression that I am needing to and prepping for a 550 injector upgrade and AEM 340lpm E85 fuel pump. Already have put on and achieved Higher spark with more energy Z1 coil packs.. Increase air needs increased spark and fuel…right. I already have one step colder plugs to go in but put OEMs in for now. Even with my long tube cold air and duel cat backs the increased spark has me smoking those boosted Focus boys daily…. still slow AF but very linear. Did you do any of those upgrades? Just asking here no shade for real.
I don't get why people in the comments are saying "just get another tune." If you spend money on a product regardless of price you should expect it to work and function properly!
Exactly our point.
My 09 G37s coupe makes 430 to the wheels on the Stillen with a tune from Jon @z1motorsports
Air to air kit, e85, and admin tune is easy mid 600’s and there is plenty of front mount turbo kits out there so im not sure what you’re talking about no room. forced induction on any g or z is a minimum 7k for just the kit
Thank you for posting a non-fanboy review. I’m tired of vids posted by ppl that are totally unbiased. Even if you guys had that running perfectly, 350-360 whp is all you’d get with stock fuel system and sans trans reflash. I completely agree the dollar per hp of that kit is not worth the price. I had Stillen on my G and never got over 400whp and that’s with FBO, full upgraded fuel system and upgraded trans with reflash. Now have a custom pro-charged system that puts down 535whp, at a much better dollar per hp than the stillen
How do you guys feel about the Z1 kit from Z1 motorsports? What is the best kit for a 370z you would recommend for getting around that 400whp mark?
Get the sohomotorsports supercharger kit. It makes 560 whp on pump gas for about 8k.
Mid mount boosted performance kit is the way to go !
Anyone have a better recommendation then for FI on a G37?
The stillen tune is only designed to get the car running. Most people I know always go to professional to have it tuned.
Sounds like that car still has factory exhaust, I would think that if you put more air into the engine you need to be able to get more air out. It's like blowing through a straw.
Wow! Here I was thinking about supercharging my G37S using Stillen's supercharger. Forget it! Thank you for the informative video.
Glad it was helpful!
@@DriverMotorsports Yeah im not comfortable with all this. You guys call yourself Driver Motorsport. If you think for one minute that any emailed flash tune is any good, then you should change jobs. Of course it needs a custom tune, You have a dyno, why didn't you custom tune it yourself. There is no such thing as a good emailed flash tune. You should know this. And I didn't even see a fan. What's that about, the intake temps would have been through the roof. You should have used a fan and water to simulate the car moving through the atmosphere to keep intake temps under control. Of course it made low power with hot wind. Actually you guys look like rank armatures here with no cooling. You should take the video down and apologize to Stillen. I'm surprised they have not chased you in the courts, they are probably preparing it now. Jas
@@ECUChips 😂😂😂 you mean libel? They didn’t say to go with x brand, they just said Stillen is crap. Which for the money, it is.
Now how does everyone feel about the A2A kit by SOHO?
Good vid and I don't mean this to spread hate, but that tune is meant to be a base map to run the supercharger after a simple bolt on and not have to do the hassle of going to get it tuned by someone, if you want to push the power they present on their website you always have to take it to a good tuner for a proper tune :) its like how it is with any bolt on, you wont get any gains with headers and full exhaust unless you're tuned to make the compatible to the map
Limp mode? is it an auto? do you think there will be a whole lot of difference if it were a manual sir?
Probably.
anyone saying get another tune is missing the point, for how much the kit is worth it should at least come with a good tune, but unfortunately that isn’t the case and that’s what they are trying to say in the video, but on the other hand they shouldn’t be hating on the supercharger kit when the tune it comes with is the actual problem
At least you guys didn't give up!
Ain't selling stillen.
Had one for my 350 Z I had someone install a stage for steel and super charger along with stealing engine damper because they really do all or most want to rip the engine off the motor mounts LOL.
Also a steel and titanium swaybar and they still in larger all capacity paying for one more quart more than stock I also boughtStillin Cowell hood to go over my massive Whipple charger twinscrew chrome what I liked about the supercharger was that it had an enclosed coolant system that you did not have to constantly add coolant to
The stillen is a pretty good supercharger kit if done right, also changing some modifications from fuel injections, exhaust pipes, tunes modifications, oil cooler, proper airflow list goes on. I installed one on my cousins 370z, gotta say it was a bit difficult, but after going back and looking up the proper guidelines to installing the kit, along with some modifications, the 370z is pushing 570 horse power. Overall it run perfectly, just it was complicated at first. But hay that's just my opinion.
has it blown up yet?
@red-bd3mc
No, it hasn't
Maybe you didn't install it right?🤔
@@mikey358976is it still running strong?
Yeah somethings not right. I had my Z dyno'd after a remote tune from admintunning and Mines doing 337 to the wheels. My understanding was that kit would put you just over 400 with the stillen tune.
Admin Tuning out of Houston, TX tunes these with bolt ons and ECUTEK to over 600HP and 450 TQ.
With supercharger or without
With FI, not simply bolt-ons. And before you respond, attech a link with a bolt-on vq making 600whp, and no FI system...
They did something very wrong
All i have to say is........😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂...... You're a VERY funny uninformed ignorant about our platform kinda guy!!!
do you not have an inhouse tuner that will tune the car ? I don't understand why you would use the off the shelf tune. They will never push the limit of the kit because they have to cover their ass if something happens. Thats why you out source the uprev software from Admin, Z1 or ShinjiTuned. lol
Also if the clutch is slipping the engine will lose load on transmission and might cause belt to slip from revving with no engine load. I own Wesology Motorsports. I own 300ZX, 3000GTs and Hondas. No supercharger or turbo kit comes with a stronger clutch.
This is a great kit, just needs to be tune properly... AdminTuning made on pump 91 390/400 which that’s just the kit it self with many more room to grow! No need to bash the company like that smh...
That’s not that great I make 360 n/a
My 350z with this kit makes 356 whp on 7 pounds of boost on a mustang dyno tuned with uprev . The stillen tune is very conservative . That 370 needs to be retuned with different software
Agreed but Stillen should pay for it
@@DriverMotorsports NOT speaking on your clients client's situation, can this turn key kit be custom tuned using uprevs software?
I'm sorry that happened to you, but I had the same kit put on by RT Tuning in Montgomery, PA and my car makes 450whp with no issues. Is this the only stillen supercharger you've tried? Either you have one with a defect or this platform might not be for you
We did not tune it. The customer paid a ton of money to buy the Stillen kit that included a tune. Stillen told us the tune is perfect. We can definitely make more power if we were to tune the car but the customer is not ready to spend more money.
@@DriverMotorsports That's unfortunate my stillen supercharger kit made 370whp before my pro tune
370 would have been a lot better
as far as i understand, the stillen kit isn't worth buying in comparison to the SOHO Motorsports A2A kit. it only utilizes (of stillen's parts) the upper intake manifold; and then SOHO produces the pipes, couplers, crash bar and most importantly the intercooler, which is visually volumetrically WAY beefier than stillen's. besides that obvious baseline reason, it averts the unnecessary complication of involving coolant in the process and rather relegates that cooling to good old fresh, cold air ramming through the grilles. The two cons are that it is 1700 more expensive and you need to have a tune prepared before starting which is inconvenient but the kit looks better
Why did he buy a stillen kit for 8k when you can get an a2a kit for 6.5 and make more power? Sounds like someone didn't do their research
I have a g37 I want to mod out is this what u suggest? If so do u have experience so I know I can trust your opinion
@@laiferickson3006 yes I do, check out my ig @2slowgs or my RUclips channel GQVQS car club,l. I have videos of my car and everything done to it including the supercharger kit
@@boostedvqs4934 will it be ok with a automatic transmission?
Thank you for the video
I don't get why people are dragging you in the comments for this. You've shed some light on the kit and their customer support. If you're aiming for crazy power ofc you don't use the basic tune that comes with it, but you'd expect to at least start and run half decent
Where are you guys finding turbos for 370s less than this? Everything I’ve seen has been north of 8500 and then at least 10,000 for a twin
VQ's are pretty expensive when it comes to engine mods. That's just the way it is.
Soho Motorsports has A2A Stillen SC conversion kit and the kit itself that the customer might want to upgrade.
He shouldn't have to
So like what supercharger kit for vq37vhr to buy then bros ? Stillen is the only option.
Buy a turbo kit.
@@bluezevil1305 sub to my channel. Brought soho kit in November but still waiting on it.
The hp starts to drop at 6k cause at that point the valves are closing too quickly. Basically choking out the enginee.
You need to contact a real tuner asap or your engine will blow up! It's on a lean tune...
I had an 370Z from 2011 with an Stille supercharger, tuned by Sky Engineering in the Netherlands, and blow up the first motor, after that Nissan (Netherlands) order an new motor in Japan and again Nissean netherlands build in the Stillen Supercharger, we tuned up with Sky Engineering, but the motor did not perform, so we brought the 370Z to Germany to downgrade the performance from almost 500 HP to 470HP, i hope the new owner has no problems now.So i bought en new 370 NISMO but i tingh not more to tune my car with an supercharger from Stillen , to much problems, with tuning and , finetuning, so i tining now to geht an twinturbo charger and tuned this in Germany by CTD -Germany
I know this is a very late reply but u should search up @admintuning on Instagram most common issue ppl do w these kits is just slap it on without supporting mods like bigger injectors, fuel pump, oil cooler…etc. In this video they didn’t add bigger injectors which resulted in not making the power they hoped for and soho Motorsports makes a bigger Inter cooler for the stillen sc kit which is way better in keeping the temps down than the one supplied. This kit on an unopened motor and stock trans can push low-mid 500s easy on 93 octane or mid-high 600s on e85 w a stock pulley combo.For an automatic trans a billet flex plate is required when making higher power. It hurts to hear these guys talk down on this kit when admintuning gots Gs/Zs going against the world out here.
Thank you for the video. It was insightful. We need more machanics who values the customer than the job.
Lmaooooo you guys get an off the shelf tune from stillen and wonder why it’s pushing 380 wheel? Maybe cause they don’t want to be liable for sending you a tune with 30 degrees of added timing. All tunes are different depending on mods done. You guys are bashing stillen but really should be bashing your own shop. lol smh this was good entertainment though. You two crying about how much time you put into the car. My buddy and I threw my supercharger on my g37 in 15 hours! and made 487 wheel!!!!!!! You guys are ass!
If it were making 380 wheel we wouldn't be complaining. We are just telling the truth about what happened. We didn't try to tune it because Stillen claims it comes with a good tune from them. You obviously missed the entire point.
He's only saying what should come out of the box. Of course they can tune it them self. There just trying to prove a point about why stillen is fucking up
Stillen 's tune doesn't make 487whp!! YOU may have custom tuned it and got 487whp. They are talking about Stillen's "turn key" kit. Stop lieing and then throwing shade.
Highly doubt you're "friends" g37 is pushing 487 without a major tune from a very reputable shop like "z1" or "admin" and other supporting mods......lying
got a video? any pictures?
It has to be the parts somehow. I haven't seen this happen to anyone else running Stillen.
We did not tune it. The customer paid a ton of money to buy the Stillen kit that included a tune. Stillen told us the tune is perfect. We can definitely make more power if we were to tune the car but the customer is not ready to spend more money.
I wish turbokits dot com wasn't so expensive. I have a 2016 Genesis Coupe 3.8 automatic, almost near 58,000 miles now. I have driven it for three years I think. I don't know too much about cars, but I started doing research a few months ago during quarantine and learned more. I wrote down an entire mod list on word document. I contacted a shop who said they can install turbo kits, and they gave me their rate. The problem with Genesis Coupe is there are only a few aftermarket places left, and very few ECU tunes. It almost seems as though I would have to go to those places to get them tuned, but they are too far away. I am still confused on ECU. I was under the impression any tune shop with dyno could do custom ECU. Genesis is mostly AlphaSpeed, SFR, and Haltech if I had the money. That is the other problem. I wasted ten years of this life going to school. I graduated with my bachelor's in December 2018, did an amazing Summer internship in 2019, and now I have no job and not making during coronavirus apocalypse tribulation. If I ever did the get the money, I may have to rethink turbokits because their kit adds up from $4,895.00 to $7,000+ with everything extra added on. Remnant Performance kit with 76mm turbo is around $4,000, but then the extra money could spent on parts like rods, pistons, exhaust, etc. And they also released their new headers within the past month. I think their kit can get as high as turbokits in horsepower.
I'd take this with a grain of salt. Installing these major power adders has inherent risk, and vendors should do their best to inform customers of such risks and steer them towards more reliable mods.
Had rzg tune it and it is amazing
Get it tuned by admin tunning and you’ll see why it’s a good supercharger haha
admin tuning are scamers they broke my ECU and they are running a ilegal bussines they try to hide the address and I have to sue them
@@KevinTexX what happen ?
I’m surprised by the lack of VK swap it comments
i have the same kit i will be going a2a soon with it but i got the kit for dirt cheap. it is very restrictive but has lots of potential. the factory stillen tune will blow the motor on it, once i do a2a i will be over 500whp easily. the main issue i hate is the stupid silicone couplet that cuts boost.
IssaSlowZ Go to Z1 motor sports they have a solution for that silicone boot that collapses it will fix the problem
brandon hobson thanks I will
Stillen should have all this figured out
You guys need to check this thread out. I have topgunz new Ace supercharger kit and made 585whp 471wtq on E85 and 564whp and 450wtq on 93. It's been supercharged for 5000 miles and no issues at all. Also utilizes the stock manifold. Tuned by Eugene Turkov, car is running strong and healthy on stock knock sensitivity. The stillen kit can be converted to his ace kit as well.
www.the370z.com/forced-induction/132393-announcing-topgunz-ace-supercharger-kit.html
I take that kit off your customer and make more horse power. It's the tune or supercharger. The boost response of the supercharger should tell you what is going on. There should have been a boost line on the dyno graph or boost guage. If the boost is right and the airfuel ratio and ignition timing is right you will make more power. If your slipping then your going to loose boost and hence horse power. There should be no slipping as slipping means loss of power. I think you should be compensated for the hard start issue and the challenges getting it to run.
Anyone looking to buy this kit, make sure you upgrade the super charger pulley , cooler and get a custom tune at a dyno shop. The reason why it's so restrictive on power is so they can give you a warranty and I believe you still keep your factory warranty if installed at a dealer.
What you are saying is true. It's just that our customer expected a "bolt on kit with tune" from Stillen would have been better. We didn't expect to have to go back and forth with Stillen 4 times just to get a tune that would start the car. Had us spending hours trouble shooting our work needlessly.
This shop is quite dumb
I wonder if the supercharger blower has ballbearings or journal bearings. It has to be the blower. I think you guys got a dud.
Definitely
Base tune ain’t going to do much, you need a real tuner to tune this car such as admin, Z1 , Rsentalphy so many more tuners out there that can really tunes VQs , but I understand that y’all want to find out how much power can this make with Stillen supercharger and stillen base tune. I wish the owner would had done more research before buying the supercharger. I know If youre really into these cars (vqs) you would get like a real tuners to tune this car. I can guarantee you that you can make around high 300 wheels for sure. But like you said this is not what the video is all about. It’s about the kit itself and their base tune. Completely understand. Great video 👍👍👍
you can hear the belt slip maybe try tightening belt
Try a topgunz ace supercharge kit.
I wanted a Stillen Supercharger for my G37s Coupe 6MT, but I saw this video and, what a relief! It can work without going to the tuner in a tow truck that was my main concern. Now I know that I can go to the tuner driving my G37s at half throttle at least
If you're concern about a simple tow, you are not ready or have the means. Off the self tune will allow you to drive to a tuner if you want more.
@@peterpeter6488 if you say... Then I don't know how could I've ended with a TopGunz supercharger kit on my G37s coupe 6MT installed all by myself in one single day, with ECUTEK remote tune and then a proper fine tune on a dynojet
@@peterpeter6488 also, the topgunz kit is cheaper, easier to install and gives way more power, if you are interested. No regrets so far. Previously I dropped my transmission and put a lightweight flywheel and proper clutch/pressure-plate to get ready for the extra power, and the fuel pump was previous the Supercharger installation also. What is left to do is to change fuel lines to use E85 (fuel pump and injectors are for E85 but not the lines yet)
@@ZeroFX32 awesome bro. I'm glad it worked out for you. E85 will be my last upgrade. I'll be going A2A too. Good luck and hope you hit done high HP numbers!
bought this and tuned it myself. works grate. 502 hp 370z
are you stock transmission?
What supercharger kit would you recommend for my 370z then
You should get Soho or topgunz A2A intercooler and get a real tune from a tuner with ecutek or uprev to get 500+whp, stillen out the box tune is crap and known to blow engines.
It has Uprev. That's what Stillen sent with the kit. we shouldn't have to tune it in the customer should have to pay extra to tune it or a different intercooler.
Soho a2a bby definitely head over to z1 motorsports or soho motorsports
Blew my motor
Soho motorsports Air2Air kit with the stillen supercharger makes reliably 500-700hp at the wheel
We agree with you except for the 700 wheel reliable on a stock block. We wouldn't recommend this.
This is unacceptable. I cant believe that. Sorry you guys had to go through this.
Vortech or nothing. The v3 kit made almost 500whp on stock de check out Dynamotorsports.
Lol I was like, maybe...until this guy was like "...it will have to be a rear mount setup, there's no room in here." Goes online, all turbos under the hood. 😂😂🤣😂🤣
Damn..that sucks. Time to throw in some nitrous to make up the difference 😉
😂😂
Literally just get Soho's a2a kit and boom huge gains
TheKing word? i’m getting the kit in the next following months. who tuned it? admin? or soho there self? got insta so we can talk? i got some questions
@@z34_cole message me on freshbornxd I did my research
U can make these number n/a just saying
We know
Hi I drive an 370Z 40th Aniversary sins 2011 with an Stillen Supercharger the first time the tuner did 457 HP with RAW tuning with his own tuningsoftware by Skyeningeering in Europe
i did an finetuning in Germany with CTD an made now about 498 HP, with an Remus exaust because you can not do that with the original exaust, you need also GTW plug because the the standard plugs get to hot,you .I also haven octane 103 instaed octane 98 ( normal) at the gasstation, and he is not more limited at 250km per hour, i drove on the German Autobahn allready 281KM that was very scarry with this speed.You need also other tyres for more than 300 Km per hour they are not cheap. So happy day for my wallet.
One big reason why the kit cost so much. Is because it’s 50 state legal.
Yea, for $8000 you could buy a bad ass car.
Just imagine spending $8000 to gain 40 horsepower.
Thanks for posting the video. Seeing how hard it was to get basic results is meaningful to someone like me that is new to supercharging.
That being said, I am a physical scientist, and I think you guys were scant on listing testing parameters and your methodology. Frankly, what you posted is really bad science. You are implicitly making a thermodynamic criticism of two convoluted things: Stillen's mechanical design, and the actual tune, without actually following through with a well-formed experiment.
I would have been more convinced of your conclusions if you measured things like airflow and temperature near the intake. Also, what gas did you use? What kind of dyno test did you run? Can you describe the software tuning parameters from your successive tunes? Also, did you try to double check your dyno calibration against another dyno? That would be the first thing a scientist would do when they see an unexpected result. I'm sure you guys have experience with cars, but it is only reasonable to expect a more thorough assessment before you post a conclusion.
for that kind of money you should just get a single turbo kit
💯
Maybe touch base with Moncef Faik at Admin Tuning here in Houston. Running his tune and upgraded charge pipe, these kits should make 450 wheel easy. Moncef can remote tune, I think the cost was 300$. If the customer isn't willing to spend the extra 300$ after buying a $7500 SC kit, then that is on them.
For what it's worth, you are right here. There is no reason to spend $7500 on a SC kit when you can save for another few months and buy a TT or BT kit that will push 500-600 WHP on the stock block. With the other small required upgrades and tune, you're looking at 10k for one of those kits out the door. Looks like this poor bastard paid about the same and barely makes the same WHP as a full bolt-on NA car with a good tune.
Sad...
We did not tune the car. The customer paid Stillen a lot of money for a kit and us to install it. He doesn't want to spend more money on a tune and shouldn't have to.
If I purchase a FBO setup for my Z, CAI/Headers/Test Pipes/Catback/etc., and take it to your shop and pay you to install everything, but refuse to pay for a custom tune made for my specific parts setup. Is it OK for me to be mad at the manufacturers of those parts and/or the shop because I only make 298 WHP and my CEL is on all the time?
I get what you're saying here, really. I'm 90% on your side. Stillen should be held in contempt here for a couple things:
1. Selling a product that costs over 7 grand installed that barely makes the same power as a stock 370 with a CAI, exhaust, and tune -IF- the pre-packaged garbage tune is used.
2. Shipping the kit with a bad belt or improperly fitted belt, and providing a 'perfect' tune that doesn't even allow the car to start, much less make power.
However, what I take issue with is that using the Stillen tune even happened. If I was the customer, I would expect you, the professionals, to let me know that the pre-packaged Stillen tune is garbage. That being said, it's just as much on the customer to do their research here as it is on you to inform them. 10 minutes on Google will make this fact obvious. This SC kit is not a bad product. It just needs a proper custom tune and an upgrade to the cheap charge pipe in order to deliver. Not cool, but it is what it is. In my opinion, as long as the shop makes it clear that the new setup needs a custom tune in order to make the advertised power, then the shop has done their due diligence and can't be held responsible. It's all on the customer at that point. As long as you guys made that clear, then this situation is 100% on the customer.
This kit is not a garbage product, as long as the buyer manages their expectations and is willing to follow up correctly after the purchase.
Sounds like installer error. Kits push 400whp easily.
With some mods I hit 463whp on 91 pump.
Ren and stimpy try to install supercharger kit 🤓
You should be a comedian. Very funny guy.
i’ve bought some stolen products that were pretty disappointing snd their customer service was pretty bad as wrll
That sucks!
Stillen was all the rage back in the day. I wanted one for my 350. Not now I guess.
That’s just a base tune. Do some adjustments to get some real numbers
Did you upgrade the clutch? This kit requires a clutch good for 500ftlbs. I had to stop selling STILLEN parts. They sold me a 300ZX driveshaft that didn't fit. Then they told me to rig it. They did not machine the coupling right. I had to argue and send them photos for a week before Dean at extention 182 would accept a return. This kit makes 420hp to wheels with the right clutch. Get a ACT clutch. You guys are dumb if it is the clutch. $500 for a ACT clutch for a manual. 😃
Whack a Borg Warner S366 on and call it a day
I love fuck out of my car’s but I will never attempt to tune anything myself, that’s an entirely independent skill set that takes time to learn 😐
It sounds like stillen copy and pasted their tune from their own car if they cant get the car started by the first tune
A better suggestion would be "Take it to somewhere that can install AND tune for you. The tune Stillen gives is bad, and customer support sucks."
That's exactly what the point of our video is. Stillen advertises that you can buy install and flash their tune and you are good to go. This was the first time we dealt with them and our customer didn't have more of a budget to pay to have it tuned because Stillen said a tune comes with the purchase of their product.
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Well, I'm not complaining. My nismo with a stillen supercharger and soho A2A makes 580HP and is working just fine, though I admit that it was all done by professionals.
Did you use the tune that came with it or did you have it tuned by a professional?
@@hankhasemeier6887 It was tuned by the previous owner. The guy has his own car service station, which focuses on modifying and tuning sports cars. He bought it new in 2017, modded and tuned it, then sold it to me a few months ago. His company is called Michalak Car Performance.
@@anatolydyatlov963 that's where the difference is then. These guys are running on the tune that comes with the kit and blaming the entire kit including the hardware for the issues they're having. That's like putting peanut butter in your gas tank and being surprised when it doesn't run lol
@@hankhasemeier6887 Yep, totally agree.
You are missing the point totally. Does stillen sell this kit with a "tune" ???
Somethings wrong with that because I know I got personally that has a steal on the supercharger nothing has been modified whatsoever except the tuning software and nothing put down some serious power actually he is on the verge of pushing the stock block to it’s limits you can’t even keep the damn thing in a straight line he’s got so much power and I keep telling him he needs to get some bigger tires
The something wrong is Stillens tune.
Why not tune the car via a actual tuner like admin z1 or Saul like 90% of people who already spent the money would the base tune is just to get you to a tuner
You are missing the point. Stillen sells with a tune.....
@@DriverMotorsports to make it to a actual tuner right it’s a off the shelf tune of course it’s not going to run right out the box perfectly with a off the shelf tune