Global EV Showdown ~ Is China Outpacing the West?
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- Опубликовано: 16 апр 2024
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China's control over crucial resources like lithium and cobalt, coupled with their advanced manufacturing capabilities, positions them at the forefront of the global EV industry.
The production of electric vehicles (EVs) relies on several key resources and materials. Here’s a rundown of the essential components:
Batteries: The most critical component of an EV is its battery, specifically lithium-ion batteries, which require lithium, cobalt, nickel, and manganese. These elements are crucial for their energy density and efficiency.
Electric Motors: EV motors are predominantly made using copper and rare earth elements like neodymium and dysprosium, vital for producing powerful yet lightweight electric motors.
Power Electronics: Silicon carbide and gallium nitride are used in the power electronics of EVs. These materials help manage electrical energy efficiency and are used in inverters that convert DC power from the batteries to AC power for the motors.
Structural Components: Aluminum and advanced high-strength steel are used extensively to reduce weight while maintaining safety and performance standards.
Thermal Management Systems: Cooling systems maintain battery efficiency and longevity. These systems often use advanced coolant materials.
Charging Infrastructure: Building an EV requires not just the vehicle itself but also an extensive charging infrastructure, including copper and other conductive materials.
Software and Sensors: EVs require sophisticated software for battery management systems, autonomous driving capabilities, and other digital controls. Sensors and microcontrollers are also essential for their functioning.
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Honestly we lost motorcycle production back in the 70s to Japan because the UK and Europe was complacent and now it's happening again with EV's. What ever is the cheapest to maintain freedom of movement is what the majority of people will buy and sadly the West is far more about virtue signalling than a functioning society.
Britain seems to be more about privatising our infrastructure and then subsidising it with taxpayers money. Which negates the reason given for why it's privatised in the first place.
Many UK motorcycle enthusiasts in the 1960s and 70s used to call Japanese motorcycles "Jap Crap" and also accused them of being copies of something. As new laws restricted 16 year olds and learner riders to small engines the British industry did not show much interest in catering for them, but Italian firms did and then the Japanese also did but with often better quality. Riders who started on small and medium-sized Japanese bikes then stuck with the same makes if they later bought larger bikes. How many UK motorcyclists now in their 60s started with an FS1E or SS50? What could either of these bikes be accused of being a copy of?
Global production of motorcycles is concentrated in the far East, India , China etc. Nothing to do with freedom of movement or virtue signalling, we took back control, and have nothing to show for it, lied to by politicians again.
British workers attitude is work less and demand more pay.
The British motorcycle industry had talented engineers and designs but lacked investment. For a while the old(er) British machines handled better but they stood still on that and frankly the Japanese cracked that too. I had new Triumphs into the 1970s but even new the reliability, workmanship etc was way behind.
Absolutely spot on, I drive a Chinese EV because it works for me, the purchase price was about the same as any ICE cars that I have previously purchased for the specification and it’s great to drive. I do 12,000 miles a year and 90% of my charging is from home at 7.5p per kWh, that’s less that £10 a week for me and less to service little or no break wear, free fuel top up when I drive down hill or break, plus instant torque. What’s not to like?
As the largest oil importer, China is determined to develop electric vehicles.
Similarly, Britain is not an oil-rich country.
I don't have a weight problem with tools in my van, In my neighbourhood, turn your back and they are never there!
Do you think the tool thieves are using electric vans?
😅😅😅
Even the few things that are made in the UK rely on Chinese components. We assemble goods we don't really manufacture them.
Yeah Brexit killed the hope of us having our own lithium battery plant, just too small of a market.
@@edc1569Brexit didn't do shit of the sort. It was a step in the right direction. Except the people executing it had no intention of really establishing sovereignty and removing enemy influences. Those controlling the UK are the enemy. Just like the EU. Same agenda just cosmetically loose from the EU.
Yes, and even the robots that build the cars, Kuka a once proud German company with a long history, was bought out by the Chinese in 2016...
I love my EV and I'll never go back. I suspect technology progress will increase range (although its already up to 300 miles) just as mobile phones went from being the size of a breeze block to palm sized in 10 years. But yes, big oil is a powerful lobby in Europe and the US.
Love 'em or hate 'em Chinese electric vehicles WILL get much better and they WILL take over the world. Legacy car makers will have to adapt or they will collapse. People opinions are not going to stop the Chinese. Similar to what happened to UK car manufacturering when the Japanese car makers first went mass market.
Just like electric bikes and high rise buildings, China is ramping up EV production just as demand crashes.
Most prisoners in the U.S. are required to work, and all state prison systems and the federal system have some form of penal labour. Although inmates are paid for their labour in most states, they usually receive less than $1 per hour.
Over 2 million in American Privatised prisons.
Terrible re offending rate too,
Prisons should have to hit a performance target of 45% or lower re offending rate.
But the get free food, free housing, free health care. All paid by the taxpayers.
@@Google_Does_Evil_NowI feel there may be a correlation between the number of private prisons and the prison population. No prisoners, no profit.
@@stephena1196 There were known cases in the US of judges being far stricter and giving longer sentences than they should and getting kickbacks from the company managing the local prison.
The last time I checked, it costs $105 a day to maintain an inmate and that was 5 years ago. 🤑🤑🤑🤑
"The Chinese can watch all of our movement" Us car manufacture already does this. This national security line is BS.
A similar argument was tried against TikTok.
@@stephena1196 There's not proof that tiktok does it. People say they send data back to them. But every app send data back to their servers. That is just how the app works.
But go and read these cars TOS. Lots of them track what you do. Those companies even said so.
It is not BS but just twisted fact. The true security risk is that if you use a Chinese car or phone, the US or your government can no longer track you. China doesn't give a hoot what you do!
EVs typically recoup their manufacturing CO2 by 15-20K miles, not 60K, though that figure may be plausible for the heavier, less efficient models
Depends massively on the country of production. Something like a 3:1 difference between EU and China although I can't remember the figures exactly
@@jamesclark5654 Closer to 2:1 in 2022 figures, if you are talking about the carbon intensity of electricity generation; it was 251 grams of CO2 equivalent per KWh of power for the EU, and 531g for China. With the caveat that among EU countries Poland and Cyprus have worse values than China.
Incidentally, China is pretty close in electricity carbon intensity to Australia (502g), Japan (495g), and Israel (538), and better than Taiwan (561g).
And how fast using the car recoups the "built in" emissions actually depends more on how clean is the energy grid of where the car will be used. If you use it in, say, Brazil - which emits less than half of the carbon per KWh than the EU - or Ethiopia - where the energy carbon intensity is a mere tenth of the EU - then it will recoup those pretty fast, while if using it in Poland it will take quite a bit more to recoup those emissions.
I suggest you read more and study more
@@FabioCapela " if you are talking about the carbon intensity of electricity generation".
Not really. I meant that how many miles it takes to recover the manufacturing costs depends on where the car is made.
Seeing as this is a UK video it was implied that the car would be driven in the UK. At which point the only difference to time to recovery is where the car is made.
About 6 mounts ago I was talking to a BT engineer about the pcb.He told me they were removing the Chinese made pcb as the us didn't like it for security reason and he was replacing them with US made pcb as a result the US ones kept breaking down unlike the Chinese ones that just worked.
I guess the US didn’t test their tracking code as well as the chinese 😂
If you believe Joe Blogs RUclips channel the Chinese economy is beginning to implode!
@@fluffybadger9832
That and the looming population crash within about the next decade and a half.
That’s by design, repeat forced custom. Reminds of the milkshake machine debacle at McDonalds.
Remember it,s the politicians that made the decision to remove Chinese made equipment. Many politicians are not technically minded and don't understand how equipment works.
We have had a Chinese EV car for 3 years and cannot fault its build, reliability & cost.
Three Chinese EVs in our family, the oldest is three years old and the youngest is eighteen months old. They have all been faultless, cheap as chips to run and excellent value for money. Great to drive too and they all have a seven year warranty.
Great but when they manufacture everything how do you make a living to buy them?🤔
@@sailaway8244 probably a question for current / past governments as they decided service industries was the future. Think manufacturing has long gone from the UK except in specialist areas.
@@sailaway8244 I don't know, but it happens. Macro economics works in mysterious ways. It's nothing like a household budget, which is what most people try to equate it to.
@@sailaway8244You don't realise that not every person works in a motor manufacturing plant. Those that don't make a living from other jobs.
Chinese cars are half price in China but not half price when sold in Europe
And they do freely polute in all those mining sites arround the world taking no health and safety measures which will cost more.
IE Tariff’s
Even though Chinese cars are expensive, European manufacturers are still in a panic.
Therefore, it is conceivable how lazy European manufacturers are.
Chinese EV is expensive in EU from many European
Even a Chinese made phones are retailed at least 50% more in Europe.
AS AN AMERICAN BUSINESS MAN. WE IN THE WEST ARE DELUSIONAL. WE SOME BELIEVE IF WE DO NOT ADAPT TO EV, THE REST OF THE WORLD WILL NOT. THIS WESTERN ANTI EV SENTIMENT REMINDS ME OF THE WAR ON ELECTRICITY BY OIL COMPANIES WHEN ELECTRICITY WAS FIRST INTRODUCED TO THE GENERAL POPULATION..
Well said Roger. I've said it before and I'll say it again. The west handed most of our technology to China on a plate back in the 1980's. I work for a major aircraft supplier to both Airbus and Boeing. They all set up factories there 30 - 40 years ago to tap into the Chinese market. Take a look at their competitor the C919 and you'll see it's almost a carbon copy of the Airbus A320. It ain't quite there yet, but it will be.
The idea of an aircraft that 'ain't quite there' fills me with dread.
Blame others for your failure,very typical
@@SkillBuilder Indeed, though look at Boeing recently!
All countries start off by copying. Did Japan and Korea not do the same. When they have mastered the copy then they make improvements where the original was lacking.
You can't blame your laziness on the diligence of others.
Competition always exists and will promote the development of productive forces.
Had to laugh as the state of driverless taxi in Uk , so so true😅
I remember those 1950’s streets - almost free of parked cars.
How does losing big industries that are unionised and pay well, help out western economies?
I suspect you've found the answer hidden in your question...
Currently own a Chinese 2019 MG ZS EV and do 20k miles per year in it (85k on clock) Mainly 70 mile daily commute with occasional 330 miles family trips. Saved me £2k per year in fuel over my last ICE car (skoda Octavia). Cost me £20k, currently can buy for just £11k. The secondhand EV market is full of bargains you can now get my car for £11k or a top range EV like Jaguar ipace for just £24k. So are EVs still expensive, well they are not if you can charge them at home on off peak electricity and use them for your daily commute. Buying a secondhand one could save you a fortune.
Try buying the batteries when they start to pack up... Will be costing 25k just to replace the batteries...
@@danielhart3820 They last for 100's of thousands of miles. Like I said my current EV is 5 years old and done 85k miles, current state of battery health is 89% so I've lost 11% on 85k miles. By the time the battery is dead and needing replacing I would have done 250k miles, most petrol cars fall apart after that distance. Also your prices for batteries are wrong, a fully working 50kwh battery can be got for £10k and battery prices are dropping dramatically.
@@shortbits23 where are you getting your information from? I am an EV technician.
Batteries are normally warranted upto 8 years, after then you are paying more for new battery pack of what the car was worth when you got it brand new... Yes eventually batteries will be cheaper but they aren't coming down like that! The only thing that makes EV vehicles worth any money is the batteries, with them gone the vehicle is useless.
And when the batteries are at end of life where do they go? In a field somewhere buried in the ground. EV is a temporary solution until hydrogen comes into play!
@@danielhart3820 as for hydrogen, not in cars, will be used in trucks and heavy vehicles, and shipping. JCB are really into hydrogen, it works well for them. So it has it's place.
@@danielhart3820 I have responded to your question "where are you getting your information from" twice and for some reason they have not been posted. One of my responses took a good 20 minutes to compile, gathering all my sources and FACTS. Can't be bothered to post here anymore just wasting my time if my post are not published god knows what the thread admin is doing or is it RUclips.
Do vans re-adjust the range depending on how much it’s loaded in the back?
In reality yes, the more you load it the less range!
Yes when I got the e-vivaro it actually did roughly it's 205 mile stated range empty. By the time it was racked out and packed out for call outs it estimated 80 miles in the winter which actually came closer to 55-60 miles. Losing 75% of advertised was a bit too big a kick in the balls to make it viable for us. Thankfully it was only a test vehicle but given that some days we were due to do a 90 mile round trip for boiler break downs it was impractical to even attempt to take it given the lack of consistent public and motorway chargers.
@@effervescence5664 damn! That’s huge! Does it have internal weight sensor then to know this?
@@Mr_Ashley Not that i found, it appeared to calculate via energy used in transit. Took more to pull away fully laiden and depleted faster so i think it was just using the ine metric to measure. I didn't bother looking too hard into the features as for us it was more about the viability of an ev van fleet than testing a vivaro.
The Chinese also make BMW, Tesla and many other manufacturers models. It’s not just BYD, SAIC, NEO and Xpeng cars.
In the first quarter of 2024, China exported 1.017 million ICE vehicles, up 34.5% year-on-year.
China didn't give up ICE.
@@amandagrant4331 To be fair, China's ICE exports are up quite a bit because of the Russia Ukraine war. The Russian market which had some diversity of choice with lots of European brands is now completely dominated by Chinese brands.
There's a lot of China ICE vehicles on road in Australia, people in Australia buying them lots.
They are 5 stars and good price. There's BEV Telsa the most, many too, then some BYD Atto 3
Not so much as BEV news hyped
Tesla feom China in Australia is most benefactor in EV at present 2023 to 2024.
Roger all dressed up in a suit . . . off to an interview? Hope you get the job mate!
My Snickers are in the wash
It’s usually either an interview or a court appearance! 😂
for me, these days, it is funerals
Don’t know whether to laugh or cry at that one Roger
The sq root off F..k all I'd say covered it. Well said Roger.
Since Thatcher the British government’s have all been negative about manufacturing in Britain. We can’t compete with the Chinese because of British government policies. Mostly taxes. Energy here is highly taxed compared to China. Polluter pays taxes etc etc etc.
don't forget that when china in need is of money they just print some....
Thatcher negotiated the Japanese car makers to come to the UK
@etiennebaree6176 think you made a typo there. Chinese economy is still gold based, we all know whose economy isn't and who prints money without backing on regular basis.
The lifetime environmental impact of EV's, particularly their batteries, is not clear. As mining and recycling operations scale up and the tech matures we'll get a clearer picture.
The upgrading of infrastructure will also be a major economic and resource burden.
We may end up with China controlling most of the worlds auto trade, while solving none of the problems of emissions they claim to be trying to deal with.
I’ve found that older diesel automatics or hybrids get quite painful to drive
Whereas the EV are smoother in traffic and low speed
I do a lot of driving
I’m currently deciding whether to hire or hire to buy a late model hybrid or EV
I'm sick of seeing adverts for EV cars on the TV, Utube and newspapers.
I don't think electric vans are for trades people (yet). They are very suitable for delivery people transporting laundry on set routes each day, stocking the counters within an area, ... . People that drive 60 miles a day with frequent stops knowing they charge the van at the depot each night.
Those vans don't get bought by people passionate about a brand or engine system, they get bought by logistic managers that are under pressure by accountants. Once the formula says go they go.
Amazon is the 'Prime' example.
EV doesn't need to occupy all occasions.
As long as it occupies part of the use occasions, it is a huge market.
I will take my 1936 Morris 8 out for a spin this weekend. Perhaps it might have to go back to a daily driver!
It's not about the Chinese turning them off Roger, it will be the Government when you have used up your carbon credit allowance.
I worry for my son Alex and what he will face in the future 😕🧱👍🏽
He should start learning Mandarin and there will be a lot of work for him when they build the next Great Wall
This 60000 miles claim is interesting. Are you putting the equivalent on your petrol/diesel vehicle, which itself also had to be built (and almost certainly imported from elsewhere)...?
In reality, yes an EV will start its life with a higher carbon cost, but it is closer to 12000 miles difference to an ICE vehicle. For many people that'll be 6 months usage.
Anything beyond that is only emitting at a level linked to the electricity generation mix of the power used to charge it. As we all know, that generation mix is getting cleaner by the day.
The environmental argument for an EV has already been won. The comfort and convenience one is still ongoing, but that is also only going in one direction so there's no use in fighting against it.
Roger Bravissimo!
Well researched and delivered!
Net zero no carbon, then what happens, sweet fa.
There are many Chinese students at the University in the city where I live and all seem to be studying some aspect of the automotive industry. Also there is a sort of extention of the University over in China which is bigger than the whole Uni here.
China produces 1.6 million engineering graduates each year. Just let that sink in. 1.6 million!
And the damage to Tyres transmissions and the weight of damage to tarmac.
And the Negative green factors together with fire damage risk…???
😮
I absolutely agree with your comments about Chinese EVs. I live in Thailand, where they are becoming quite popular, and in our neighbourhood we see quite a lot of BYD, MG, Ora and Neta buzzing round. My mate has a Neta V, it's a nice compact family car which sells here for around 12k GBP. I quite fancy one, particularly as I have solar panels on my roof, but I can't justify getting rid of my 3-Litre turbodiesel truck for very little money just to buy an EV. The Chinese are opening factories here to build EVs. The party is over for European manufacturers who concentrated on selling vastly overpriced SUVs to well-heeled environmentalists, and that market is saturated now. It will take them 10 years to catch up with the Chinese in the market for affordable EVs, if they survive at all.
If China has abundant oil reserves, I think they will not rush to develop EV.
The same is true in Thailand.
Spot on! We all think it, but none of us sensible people say, it just too much agro.
It’s nothing like 60k miles to achieve carbon neutrality with ICE - between 10-15k is the best estimate and it’s coming down all the time.
It really depends how you measure it. Steel production accounts for 6% of manmade CO2 and China produces steel that has a much higher carbon footprint than anyone else. I didn't say that they would achieve parity with ICE I said, the point when they break even on CO2 is around 60,000 miles.
@@SkillBuilder If China produces the steel, how does it get to Europe? What is the difference in shipping a lump of steel, or a car
You should have a listen to Hannah Ritchie's podcast with Robert Llewellyn.
Shipping is not as bad as it might seem, and with a modern clean grid, the "breakeven" is much shorter than 60k miles
Cheaper cars are a good thing, because it means more people can buy them, and free up money spent on fossil on something more productive
If you want to save the environment buy a second hand small petrol car. Ev’s produce immense co2 before they’ve even hit the road. I’m still not convinced co2 is the danger it’s portrayed as given it’s only 0.04% of the atmosphere and most co2 is overwhelmingly produced through natural processes.
I’m more concerned about plastic pollution in the oceans and crap from our sewers being pumped into the sea.
You could buy a second hand 5.0l V8 and still be doing more for the environment than these EV cultists.
Actually, buy a small second hand EV.
But if you're buying a new car then buy an EV.
Either way, buy an EV.
Buying a second hand small petrol car means someone is going to replace it anyway and with what? It's increasingly likely they'll replace it with an EV.
Doesn't matter how you cut it, ICE produces more CO2 and pollutants per mile than an EV. At some point the EV will overtake the ICE - even if it's a new EV vs an old ICE.
FWIW, Rogers 60k miles is worse case - true if you live in Poland but not in the UK. Here it's somewhere between 20 & 30k.
If you want to be truly green, leave the car at home (or better still don't buy one at all) and use public transport, bicycles or legs.
Not convinced CO2 is a problem - contrary to the advice of the overwhelming majority of climate scientists! Thank you Professor Gdfggggg
@@definitelynotkwackeryou've been sold a lie like the masses with a medical intervention 🤔... understand mind control and the Mockingbird keeping the useless eaters compliant and living never ending fear !
@Richardincancale scientists to tend to give the opinion of whoever is paying them...
The environment movement is powerful and has infiltrated our institutions. To argue the other point is neither wanted or fashionable.
There are many scientists who argue the other point or atleast argue that the environmental lobby is alarmist and are exaggerating the effects.
Just google Toyota's battery technology roadmap to see the 3 options they'll be offering in the next couple of years and to give you an idea of what will be available by 2035. The government won't need to ban ICE vehicles they'll be redundant.
You have said what most people are thinking I suspect.
I'll join you in being grumpy then... Great Roger as always.
The cost of EVs in 2035 won't be the same as now though-surely?! It's a relatively new industry so costs are higher but if you believe the likes of Tesla then new models will become far cheaper soon.
Is it just me, or do most people simply dislike electric vehicles...? I cannot see how they are an environmental improvement - they just shift the carbon somewhere else.....
EVs are greener than ICE after around 10k miles. More importantly, they move pollution from the cities.
There is a shift, the batteries used on EV cars today use quiet a lot more raw material than conventional ICE car. The difference is that once made, the source of energy an EV car uses can be made entirely through renewable/sustainable sources. So over it's lifetime, accounting for manufacturing the EV should have significantly less impact on the environment.
Have you been in one? They are smooth and quiet. Also they don’t gas you when sitting in traffic. Try it.
The Gvmt is pushing people to these based on their green credentials. People realise they are not as green as claimed so dislike the Gvmt pushing them down everyone's throat. However, not one EV owner I know, and I know quite a few, got theirs for green credentials. They got them because they liked them and they work out well for them. I'd go as far as saying most EV owners don't believe their cars are greener than petrol/diesel.
I love my electric car. Zero emissions, lovely to drive and wayyyyyyyyy cheaper then an ICE care. What's not to like?
How are the Governments of the day going to recoup the loss of fuel duty and taxes when we all switch to electric? When we are hooked, you watch !
The government will always get revenue. Carbon tax is just around the corner.
Massive tyre tax...?
Pay per mile. Already doing that in Australia.
@@SkillBuilderA carbon tax can be effective and not make the poor, poorer, when the revenue is evenly distributed among everyone who paid into it.
Tyre tax - massively...
With the reducing cost of batteries, EVs should achieve cost parity with the ICE counterparts in about 12 months. However, legacy auto is artificially keeping costs high to preserve the lucrative after sales profits (servicing etc.) they enjoy with ICE cars.
And Chevron held the patent for NiMH battery powered cars for decades and only used that to stifle the market for their own benefit. Completely criminal
Roger for PM , it's not many videos that I can't find fault with the content , love it
Respect to you sir! Well said and on point!
It’s really worth listening to Siddharth Kara (a journalist) talk about the cobalt mines in the Congo, some pretty horrible stuff.
I've no doubt human rights are being violated in the Congo but it's worth remembering that a great deal of EV batteries are cobalt free.
@@parsnips800 oh interesting, I thought it was needed but I must have outdated information.
King Leopold of Belgium made the Congo a hell hole.
His soldiers cut off the hands and feet of children in order to make their slave parents work a bit harder. At least the Chinese are not in that league.
Worth noting that most EV batteries are LFP now and contain no cobalt. There is a big shift to LFP and Sodium.
It's amazing how for years people pumped petrol for which part of the refining process requires cobalt. Then used mobiles and laptops with cobalt in the batteries, but they never mentioned it.
how does a heat pump fit on the list of low carbon appliances, like wind, power, and solar powered electric generation?
as an HVAC technician, all a heat pump is, is like an air conditioner. An air conditioner does not create cold, it simply removes heat from the home, and dumps it outside. In the colder months, it extracts the heat from the cold air and dumps it into the house. They are not very economical for saving electricity, and they don’t really make that much heat if the temperature drops below 32°F or0° C.. A heat pump, then has to energize heat strips to add supplement heat, which uses a great deal, more electricity because the heat pump is not very efficient once it goes below 45°F. Even though the air outside may be cold, it’s still warmer than the refrigerant in the lines of the heat pump. And that additional temperature it is able to put the heat inside the house, as lukewarm as it may be..
I wonder when they will get around to reducing peoples ability to burn wood or coal in their homes because that releases carbon also. In parts of the United States, such as in Utah, people that use wood to heat their homes have to have catalytic converter‘s in there, flue pipes that vent the burnt gas to the outside of the house. So many people burn in some valleys with subdivisions of homes in them, that the smoke is unbearable at times.
keep in mind, if you think you are saving carbon by going to an electric vehicle, think of this. Approximately 40 metric tons of material has been mind, transported, and processed to make just one EV battery.
Without watching the video the answer is YES!
Brilliant presentation .
Many thanks!
A mate of mine kindly drove me from a place near Warwick
to Porthcawl to pick up a bike frame using his BMW Electric
vehicle which admittedly only had a range of about 130 miles.
We set off at about 10 am and we know where the charge up
point are on the route. Anyway it all turned into a nightmare.
On the way back when we set off we only had about 21 miles
on the battery got to the charge-up point at a large service
station and the charger's were down so we had to keep moving
and the life on the battery was going down fast. It took us ages
to actually find the next charging point and could not get it to
work correctly and that place was about to close business for
the day. Luckily the owner turned up and switched the charger
off and then back on again and it worked but on slowest setting
it could work on. Had to charge up again about 20 mile on and
that took an hour + and another charge after that. Anyway Roger
I arrived home with the bike frame at about 11.45 pm. Bonkers
crazy and as the great Peter Andre would say and sing = insania.
Hi Simon
You have confirmed my thoughts, it is insane to start moving people over to ev's without a much improved infra structure. If our national productivity is down now it will be ten times worse when we are all sitting in service stations waiting for our 20 minutes on a charger. The coffee shops will do well.
@@SkillBuilder Yep I agree
How long ago was this?
@@bordersw1239 couple of years ago
@@simonirvine1628 . Lots more chargers along the M4 now but it must be nerve racking driving a car with short range, wouldn’t mind one as a second car but think I’ll keep my 7 seat diesel for the long runs.
Good overview, thanks
Solid state batteries, if they ever become viable to manufacture, theoretically would make battery production viable outside of China, because they use plentiful sodium instead of lithium.
I read a couple of months ago that Toyota have perfected the solid state battery with a possible range of around 700 miles and alot quicker charge time than traditional lithium batteries. They reckon they may be ready by 2027.
Lithium isn't the issue. In fact, it's the one piece of the battery puzzle where the west is, let's say, less behind China.
As for Sodium, China dominates research in that too; there are already Chinese production EVs with Sodium batteries. There's even a Chinese company promising solid state Sodium batteries for 2026 or 2027 with 300Wh/Kg energy density and at a cost of $40/KWh.
Sodium battery is semi solid state still liquidity
Who is to blame for the charging problem ?
Good video as normal but in 2023 UK Manufacturing was valued at £224 billion. This placed the UK 8th globally in manufacturing output. Some people somewhere are making things - not sure where or what admittedly.....
The earth is doing just fine, we just have to get through this pathetic time, it’ll all fade away when the money has been made, ignore it all, just live.
Congratulations on that true & honest words!
Not 100% convinced EVs are there yet but they will be. We need amongst other things an integrated subsidised public transport network to cut down car journeys. Viable alternatives to personal transport that is cheap safe and affordable.
EVs create more tire abrasion and brake dust because they are heavier. That's not healthy, either.
EV's use regenerative braking extensively so a lot of the braking force is applied and energy recaptured through systems that don't involve the brake pads (and brake dust).
The weight of a 50kw EV is not much greater than that of an ICE car as weight of electric engine and drive system is far less than weight of ICE and gearbox.
@@shortbits23 The tire abrasion is somewhat true not because of weight, but because of acceleration. Instant acceleration and high torque at low speeds can put quite a workout on the tires when driving aggressively. But that would be true not just for EVs, but with any car with great acceleration.
Incidentally, with increasing battery energy densities EVs should become lighter, and likely even lighter than internal combustion cars. As an example, the new battery BYD is going to start using this year will result in batteries roughly 20% lighter for the same capacity, or with 27% higher capacity for the same weight.
You can't regard the fast acceleration of EV as a shortcoming.
If you want your tires to last a long time, the simple way is to gently step on the accelerator pedal.
@@amandagrant4331 or in my case for the MG ZS EV I use Eco mode, ideal for calm driving. Most EV's have an Eco setting.
The Chinese battery company CATL already have 3 types of batteries that solve all issues, the Shenxing LFP battery, the Shenxing Plus LFP battery and the Qilin NMC battery (CATL use a lot of recycled Cobalt for their NMC) amazing range, charging speed and deep Winter weather capability. That said fleets of electric vans and trucks already in use are purchased with appropriate range for the routes used no more no less. Every driver of say a RIVIAN Amazon van in the USA I have seen on RUclips says they always return to depot with range to spare and that is with standard batteries.
China just delivered almost 5K electric MGs to the UK selling for less than £10K.
Range Anxiety: "Electric Vehicles still have a long way to go" - Roger, you are a comedy genius 😊
I was laughing when Jeremy Clarkson said we will be buying Chinese cars soon, many years ago, until I saw their cars on Chinese streets not long ago.
Unfortunately, I think you are 100% correct
One could ask is EVs and hte net zero change being pushed by the Chinese one could question? Since an average home use less than 1kw per hour how many electric cars charging in the street can it handle?
I will never give up my internal combustion engine. Never
That’s fine. You never have to.
Who cares
“A Friday car”. Love it!
I heard it was called a "Friday afternoon car" years ago. Still funny either way.
All of Friday now.
By 2035 there won’t be many petrol or diesel cars left to buy new. All manufacturers are switching to EV power. There may be a couple of Bentley or Morgan models, but not much else made in UK.
If they kill off their target market, the target market won't be able to buy the product what ever the price.
you're a lad Roger! Couldn't agree more, depreciation on EVs will kill the industry in 5 years without China.
Great video, but the battle for British industry was lost decades ago. Not possible to turn it around now...
Jesus, Roger in a shirt, don’t think I like this. Keep up the great work Rog!
The UK has a history of being late to the party, look
at the railways, they have been mainly electric across
Europe since the 1920/30's as standard. Its only over
the last 20 years that the UK has got electric power
from Paddington to reading. A bit more Petra Andre
anyone, would one like to hear insania for one more time.
How are we complaint the boss was smarter than the workers
Roger, you are a Legend!
Our network is bigger than it should be, we have already too many chargers which means the current ones are not profitable any more. I had never to wait to charge which is an indicator.
Kuka robots has been bought by a chinese car manufacturer.
Wouldn't be too bad a thing to have fewer cars about... EV or otherwise
as a cyclist I agree with that.
Totally agree with your points. It’s still boils down to what my high school teacher said. Energy density in batteries is the key.
Apart from weapons we make FA as you said and why because of the greed of those previously in charge of those industries. Always looking for a workforce without the workers. AI is just another step on that road. Their only solution will be to start a war me thinks!
"They don't pollute the air" - except in the African ore mines, the trucks and ships transporting the metals to and from China and where the electricity is generated!
The 2035 target is ridiculous. It is not a long enough runway to realistically make the change over from petro without penalizing the consumer. Hybrid vehicles are obviously the only logical first step as all electric has unreasonable limitations...particularly during winter months.
I've had an EV for years and not been penalised.
Over the time I had it my last ICE car used £28k in fuel. For the same mileage my current car will use £2.5k. (Hopefully less once I get solar on my roof)g
You can get a Corsa EV on a monthly for around the same as the ICE version - except you're potentially saving most of the money you'd spend on fuel which makes it cheaper per month.
If you can charge at home then EV's are cheaper for most people (assuming you actually drive them).
As for "unreasonable limitations" - only if you think the quoted range is what you'll get day in, day out.
Nobody ever thinks they'll get the quoted MPG for their car why do they believe they will for an EV?
For winter, just knock a quarter off your expected range and you won't be disappointed. If that number is too low, then buy a different car or hang on until a suitable car appears.
Most people only drive a few tens of miles at a time anyway and for them even an old EV will do that.
In the first quarter of 2024, the sales volume of plug-in hybrid vehicles in China was 784,000, up 81.2% year-on-year.
But the problem is that even in the field of PHEV, there are no European manufacturers.
European manufacturers are as stubborn about ICE as Kodak was about film.
👍👍👍. Thank you
Well said Roger! An additional comment if I may:
The Chinese government decided to switch to EV for two main reasons:
1) China imports huge amount of oil every year and that’s a crucial strategic good for them, and they didn’t want to waste it on consumer vehicles.
2) The air pollutions in China mega cities were really bad 10 or 15 years ago (if anyone still remember), and one of the main sources was from those ICE vehicles.
So, for them, EV is a very natural solution, and it was mainly for their domestic market. Competing in the international market is actually just an incentive that wasn’t in their initial plan and kind of took themselves by surprise as well.
realistic topic being put forward in a funny way.
Competition is a good thing. The "western" cars stopped innovating years ago, so it's quite normal that they now lobby for the government to make sure they have no competition. This won't help in the long run as they will have even less incentives to innovate. And for the average Joe this means paying more for inferior products.
After seeing countless EV fires in China and EVs being linked to fires around the globe.
Rogers best rant ever!!!
A lot of people don't like it at all, we lose subscribers when I get political.
@@SkillBuilder People are bigoted or scared of the truth.
If it wasn't for Motability we would have no chance of having an ev..... And it's the cheep Chinese MG lol
So you have not talked about the 21,000 Ev fires in China last year, these were mainly cars or the fact that China, uses the police to stop vehicles that are over 3 years old this includes Ev cars, bikes, scooters then takes them off the people who then have to pay a fine if they want them back. The fines is normally higher the what the vehicles are worth. So basically forcing the people to go and buy a new one.
The have fields full of Ev type vehicles, each police area also has its own holding field.
Then you have the manufacturers that turn the vehicles off if the customers complain or get the repairs or work on the vehicles away from the main dealerships.
Volvo have stated that an Ev vehicle has to do over 80,000 miles before it’s worth having, and an ice vehicle this is only 50,000 miles.
Them we have the uk infrastructure which has no plans of changing its plans to fit in ev’s charging point or to cover charging at home stations. These infrastructure plans cover up to 50 years. Then you have those that live in flats or areas in which it is not possible to have an Ev or be able to charge an Ev from home. Then you have the cost of an Ev over the cost of an ice vehicle.
Then you have the cost of charging Ev’s at charging station, the prices are going up all the time. Plus places like London, Bristol etc.. that have congestion charges and ulez have stated from 2025 ev’s will also have to pay.
So it’s not looking good for the Ev. The problem being government is hell bent on forcing people into Ev’s, which is a big mistake. Instead the government should just give people the choice Ev or ice.
The Chinese government's early focus on electric vehicle (EV) development stemmed primarily from two key factors. Firstly, China's limited oil resources prompted a strategic shift towards alternative energy sources. Secondly, the need to address air pollution in densely populated cities, exemplified by severe smog incidents in Beijing and other urban centers. This environmental challenge coincided with a rapid increase in car ownership among Chinese city residents. At the time of strategy formulation, international competition was not the primary consideration. The distinguished Chinese scientist Qian Xuesen, who was educated in the United States in the 1940s, proposed this strategy to the central government in the 1990s.
We will have to wait and see .therd is still a long way to go to be able to charge the electric cars 😮
One channel I came across said to look at the lifecycle of a vehicle, from raw materials (environmenal damage), production, use and how much of it can be recycled and how much ends up in landfill. For the freedom of travel and ease of use, I do not see EVs as the future. Looks like the government wants to turn the clocks back and make car owning very expensive, except for the mps and the rich.
Fair appraisal that. As said owner of a Chinese EV, I've got to say they are very good. Not for everyone and not for every use case scenario. But I think for 99% of folk they are fine. CATL is dropping prices of batteries by 60% this year. So I think in a years time, we will be in a very different position. I can certainly see an argument for hanging onto an ICE car for that bit longer and waiting for things to develop further.
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EV's are about as much use as as chocolate fire guard for many folk. When they produce one which can equal or better the ability and at the price of my Landcruiser I'll buy one.
Roger, you speak more sense than 99% of the people in charge of this country. In the space of 25 years we've committed self suicide economically. We are nothing but an overleveraged welfare state that launders money now and i genuinely worry for the future of the uk. It really needs to make some tough hard decisions otherwise i'm not sure what the future is.
Would not have one given, Use Hydrogen like JCB have already produced.
There are many people in the motor idustry who say that hydrogen is the future and it will make evs obsolete. It is worth exploring the facts behind that statement. I would love to see it happen.
The JCB hydrogen combustion engine still produces NOX emissions and is chronically inefficient. Once you take into account the high cost of hydrogen and the practical issues of embrittlement, leakage and low volumetric density, the JCB solution is unlikely to succeed. I'm afraid JCB have been barking up the wrong tree.
Now 150kWh batteries are starting to hit the market heavy plant EVs have become viable.
With all the mining of materials to produce batteries, why are electric cars still considered good?
You have to compare the negative effects of mining the materials for the battery and running the EV to the negative effects of mining the materials for the ICE car and the exploration, extraction, transportation and burning of the oil.
Do ice cars not require iron ore mining to manufacture steel . Once an electric car is manufactured it leaves a reduced pollution footprint on the planet, whereas a gas car starts it,s pollution journey the moment it,s on the road and gets worse as the engine wears out.
The premium; EV chips, EV mobility, EV battery, EV charging, Vehicle-to-Grid, AV mobility, gigafactory, and international power grid domains are up for acquisition at the "EV Domain Store". Important for China in creating the global ecosystem of electrification. "Land, Sea, Air, and Space".
Because USA and EU were focusing on war, and invested in weapon development.