TESSERACT: Autism, reinventing djent, concept albums and more
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- Опубликовано: 29 июн 2024
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Amos Williams of Tesseract joins to talk about their new album "War Of Being," the state of progressive metal, and more
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Chapters:
00:00:00 - Creating the Epic "War of Being" Music Video
00:02:49 - The Importance of Visuals in Music Videos
00:05:32 - The Importance of Commitment in Concept Albums
00:08:00 - Authentic Expression and Impact
00:10:47 - Creating Emotion Through Music
00:13:20 - The Struggle to Be Yourself
00:16:06 - Boundaries and Expectations in Progressive Metal
00:18:44 - The Chaos Inside
00:21:04 - Letting Go of Shame and Embracing Self-understanding
00:23:54 - The Struggle of Understanding Different Opinions
00:26:26 - The Necessity of Proportional Representation
00:29:01 - The Future of Art in a Dangerous World
00:31:34 - The Future of Popular Music
00:34:15 - The Longevity of Music and Breaking Down Walls
00:36:51 - The Duality of Pop Music and its Impact on Society
00:39:24 - The Role of Music in Identity Formation
00:42:02 - Self-reflection and Growth in the Band
00:44:50 - Embracing Vulnerability and Trying Less
00:47:35 - The Importance of Physical Limitations in Vocals
00:50:19 - Being a Metal Bassist 
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"when I express myself authentically, usually people don't like it" I relate so strongly, Finn.
It’s not fun, is it?
Being authentic and having a critical impulse in 2023 is dismissed entirely as "trolling" or being "based"
I am not of the spectrum, but I also relate to this a lot. Usually when I am being my most genuine self, people always misrepresent me, assume my intentions or reasonings behind the things I do. I make memes for fun and because it's a creative endeavour? Oh I must be doing it for attention. I make complex music, using odd signatures, very spontaneously without much thought? I must be pretentious. I show my music to others because I have genuine curiousity to read or hear how they react to the music? Oh I must be looking for attention. I say exactly how I feel or what I think openly and with as much honesty? Oh I must be wearing my heart on my sleeve, want to cause a reaction or I am just being a contrarian. People are so prejudicial.. Know thyself, no one will know you perfectly no matter how much they believe they do, only you can know yourself. Everything else does not belong in there, and your thoughts based on them do not belong to you either.
@Leave_The_Hall_69 been there. Those who agree with you will idealize you. Those who don't will misrepresent you. No one can truly know yourself except you. Be your own witness.
sometimes your authentic self might be a jerk, in that case, people won't like it
Oh shit, I never expected Tesseract to be featured on this channel.
I honestly never met anybody else who likes this band lol
Same here lol
It’s not like here man, it’s love!😂😂😂
Absolutely thrilled as well that it’s Amos that Finns tapped into, this interview is absolutely awesome and so much to relate to man. Hits home.
Welp, here I am! I love Tesseract
@@twinny_mi Same, I love these guys
Same! I've met a few people who like Tesseract, but I'm even more surprised that Finn is talking about them.
This is so satisfying seeing people talk openly about neurodivergence and heavy music. I found out I'm ADHD a couple of years ago and since then I kinda realised how prog music has basically been my main stim for the last 20 years. Whether it's prog rock, prog metal, djent, mathcore, or even jazz fusion, something about the chaos, the technicality, the layers, and the intricacies , it just reaches deep into my brain to a place almost nothing else can go.
I've long suspected that a lot of my favourite artists are probably autistic or ADHD (or both). A lot of us in our 30s and 40s missed being diagnosed because the awareness just wasn't there when we were younger, but I think we're going to see the connection talked about a lot more.
I'm in my 40s and your comment rings true for me. The intricacies and layers and dance of the textures. Hadn't considered I might have ND traits until both my kids (still in primary/elementary school) were diagnosed. Now I wonder. :)
@@muddydave01 They've got to get it from somewhere ;)
Realising that my dad is very ADHD was also a big moment for me, it explained a lot.
100% true for me man
Nothing hits harder than Tesseract - the dynamics are so strong and sharp they stimulate massively
I received my autism diagnosis just a few months ago at age 37 but damn, I never thought about how I used to listen exclusively to black metal while doing maths and physics homework as a teenager because I found it calming for my brain as well 😅
Thank you so much for such an awesome interview. I could sit and chat with Amos for hours - so genuine, compassionate, and insightful. Cannot wait for the new album!
I can relate to listening to atmoblack in the uni library no prob, but then get annoyed when someone was crinkling their bag of crisps
I could listen to him narrate an audio book all day. He has such a soothing voice. Well beyond his years in all things.
100% agree
as a autistic musician this is really inspiring
I second this, had no idea autistic musicians were out there, let alone metal
@@ouie-fl4qoCreative arts probably have more neurodiverse individuals than most other communities.
I would believe someone if they said 70 percent of prog people has asbergers or something. Look no further than Devon Townsend
@@ouie-fl4qoyou may be very surprised tbh. I don't have any hard numbers or anything, but I don't think it's at all uncommon. I can understand it coming as a little surprising when you're considering performing, or networking and working with people, but when you think about other factors like dedication to your craft and obsession with gear etc, it maybe starts to fit a little better.
Also that spectrum do be pretty wide, innit?
As an ND avid music listener I eventually want to make my own music. We out here, and the way we can feel and see music is incredible.
He looks like Hugh Grant and plays bass like beast
He's also not really into hiding his feet on stage 🤸
@@alexgr666nI envy him so much as a drummer! I have to play in shoes in order to have the control I need and depending on the pedals, avoid cutting up my feet😅 I don’t know what it is about being barefoot that is so great.. Perhaps feeling grounded?
I’ve been saying this for YEARS
This interview is a great example of why I don’t understand the Finn hate. You watch the twitch streams, you get the jokes and the sarcastic comments that are obviously not to be taken seriously. This interview is the real Finn. Respectful and knowledgeable on music and relatable.
Both sides can perfectly well be part of "the real Finn", can't they? Being silly and light-hearted AND calm and respectful isn't mutually exclusive
Ok but you gotta admit he has some wild takes, like I love trap metal but his trap metal video is a perfect example of why metal heads can’t get into trap metal. As a day one scarlxrd fan watching that video actually made me understand why metal heads can’t stand the trap metal fan base. Just came off as ignorant and deflective of actually points why they don’t like it. I think he got some good takes but sometimes even his good takes get worded in a why that makes you frustrated and confused into what the actual point of his take is you know. But never less I’m still subscribed to this man because I’m am very interested in someone who does not care what others think of what comes out his mouth. But come on dude you got to have some sort of understanding why people don’t like him.
@@jaydenvaporwave1772 yeah of course he has some wild takes I hardly agree with a lot of his options I just don’t think that’s really justification to hate a guy
@@jbass_1993 hate will come to you on the internet even when you do no wrong. I really don’t think hate can really be justified at all in the grand scheme of things. But all I’m saying is I don’t bat a eye when he does it’s understandable from my point of view when he gets negative press. Also mans doesn’t ever seem to care anyways. He got some thick skin. At the end of the day I think the hate actually just brings attention to his channel so I doubt he is actually upset at it.
why people hate him? i dont know please tell me
Love TesseracT. Can't wait for the new album and super excited to see them live in October!
Awesome interview, thanks to both Finn and Mos! Tesseract is by far my favourite band, they always deliver. Didn't think I'd see Tesseract and autism in the same sentence ever... it was an interesting listen. /Cheers from another autistic person
I'm autistic as well, inspiring for me to see someone excelling like Amos. Great interview Finn!
I watched the entire interview and Amos never says he's autistic. Am I missing something?
See the whole thing about being autistic and stimming by listening to technical music makes so much sense to me. I'm not officially diagnosed but it's always been a thought for me, I'm definitely not neurotypical that's for sure. Whether it's ADHD or autism or both it makes so much sense. Because this band for me is definitely a hyperfixation 😅 along with bands like Periphery, Spiritbox, ERRA, Meshuggah, Earthside, Skyharbor, Sikth, Monuments, Jinjer, Haken, Leprous. Just to name a few. I'm obsessed with so many bands from goth music, to emo music, to different metal subgenres, to musicals even. As much as i like to seek out new music because I'm always looking to find something new to love, i also tend to be obsessed with a certain type of music as well. It's like these bands are so special to me and like....I'm about to go to a TesseracT concert by myself in October bc nobody shares that interest like I do. And maybe it's for the best, because I can get very excited when seeing my fav bands live 😆 I'm so excited to see this band tho!
I relate. I've also never sought any diagnosis, but have suspected I'm on a non typical bit of the spectrum for a long time. It's fascinating how over time I keep finding out how more things about me could be relevant. Until watching this video it never occurred to me that my taste for the heavier, more complex side of music could be relevant too. I'm always seeking out new music and occasionally obsess over some new band , knowing I'll burn out, then not listen to them for a couple of months (with Spiritbox being the last one). Done the 'I'm going to see them on my own' thing if nobody else I know likes a band too.
Add another one to the pile - think there's a lot of overlap for sure.
@@black1blade74welp, can I join the club too? 😅
Best thing I did personally was get tested for ADHD. It had been suspected for a very long time but I never really felt like there was much point in having it confirmed. I hit my mid 30s and I started to really struggle with dopamine production. Things I used to be able to hide in my teens and 20's, I couldn't in my 30s. So I got my ADHD diagnosis. My next step is being tested for and having autism. I think this is all one part/half of a coin, for me anyway.
Was diagnosed on the spectrum 20 years ago (Aspergers when it was diagnosed as that) this was a really inspirational interview for me. Can relate to a lot of what was said. Thanks for hosting Finn
I love that each member of Tesseract is so well-spoken and thoughtful. Their new album is just incredible.
Man! That 53 minutes flew by. I was sad that it ended. Y’all could’ve easily gone 2 more hours. Excellent listen.
as someone with autism, great interview. I have an idea as to why intense music can actually help with focus and even be relaxing at times tho.
so, everyone's brain has a preferred level of stimulation, if you go below it you get bored, if you go above it you get overwhelmed. for neurotypical people, they have a mental filter that can block out stimulation and prevent them from getting overwhelmed, and one of the symptoms of autism is lacking that mechanism. so, over time people with autism can have their neutral stimulation level raised by the constant extra stimulation. so when an adult with autism is trying to focus on anything like reading or programming in a quiet office, the external stimulation is too low, thus music most people would find intense and distracting is at a good level of stimulation to compensate and put the brain at a level of stimulation it's content with, allowing you to better focus on what you're trying to do.
im by no means a doctor tho, this is just my personal hypothesis based on my own experiences and those of the people i've met with the same condition, and i figured i might as well share while its relevant :)
Also a fellow autistic prog metal fan lol. I've noticed that we often get pegged as "unempathic" and so on, but music evokes emotion in everyone, which is why it's so special to me. If I can listen to the same albums over and over again and keep noticing and picking up on different things, it greatly enriches the whole experience. I think that's why we tend to love technical/heavy music.
This is enlightening for me. I was diagnosed with autism at 4 years old and I grew up on the coast of Mississippi with country, delta blues, jazz music etc and no one could figure out why I love technical metal music. Even I never understood it 😂 but it's extremely comforting for me
I love how the subject of autism has been brought here. I myself am autistic, and I've had a good handful of situations where I've been misunderstood and it's lost me friends, which has affected me incredibly deeply. So just hearing this; to learn to be okay with the fact that my mind just works differently to others, but also learn from these situations, is fantastic to hear.
I've never listened to this band before but this guy being interviewed is so calming to listen to
Hey man, this band while alter your perception of music forever. You should give them a listen.
You should check them out dude they’re so good
This was a really great interview. Covers a lot of ground in a good amount of depth and really got to the 'soul' of the themes. Wish it could be longer tbh!
great video. The new tesseract is a masterpiece. I met Amos 1 time when they played in Austin TX. Extremely kind guy. I wish them great success with this new album cycle.
Same with me. Got to chat with him after the show when they were touring for Altered State. Really nice and down to earth guy. Show was insanely great!
Been craving interviews from Tesseract since the announcement of the album. FINALLY! Thank you for this! Also realized there’s a collectors edition with an art book, Dolby Atmos production and 40 minute documentary. That’s where all the Tesseract content went into! Great package guys! 🤘
Stimming, shredding and listening to challenging music definitively do similar work on my brain too. My neurons are loving War of being by the way.
This is my favourite interview/conversation that you've done here. Thanks to you and to Amos!
Did not expect this at all, great work Finn! One of my absolute faves.
Love this band, I have been following them since altered state, stoked for this interview!!!!
Sorry for discovering this interview so late, it was so nuanced and such a great listen, I’m left wanting more!
Excited for their new album!
oh fin, i didn knew i needed this interview, i love amos, so two of my fav people having a great conversation, about stuff that i love... top fav videos!!!!
Super cool interview! Thanks so much for this.
I have a lot of respect for Amos, I've been listening to his music since ONE, seen the band live a couple of times. This was a well-spoken, very entertaining interview. Congrats Finn.
Awesome interview man. Great work.
it is fucking awesome to hear you both go far beyond the music and step into philosophy and ultimately match both worlds in a way that makes perfect sense
Not long ago i discovered tesseract and neurodivergency topic for myself. It is a treasure to come across such video where both are included. Such a deep band! Love!
Thank’s for the wonderful content
Thanks for this finn and amos. Super intriguing and thought evoking for the sake of art and progression as well as the human aspect of vulnerability
really awesome conversation!
Both of my Master Teachers hilighteded my ability to be calm during duress. This was autism before I knew it. I just process stimuli differently.
I got big into Teaseracts last album during Covid because of the "live" show they did on youtube during lockdown. Im keen to listen to this new album.
This was a a really fun and laid-back interview with some interesting topics covered. Its a interesting change of pace to see you have a discussion in this way Finn. I really enjoyed it!
Amos you guys are legends. I told you when I first met you on the Dev tour and you guys didn’t believe me. That humble quality is part of why you are so great.
Finn became my favorite interviewer in the space. Amazing flow and questions that reveal a side of the bands and artists they never touch elsewhere.
I just never know who Finn will get on next! Love TesseracT this was a nice surprise. I have high hopes for the new record. If the singles are anything to go by we are in for a treat! Also Finn you are constantly getting better and better with these interviews! Great flow, interesting questions! Let’s keep this going! I would love one with Richard Patrick of Filter, former Nine Inch Nails.
This was great! Thanks Finn and thanks Amos.
Amos Williams is one of my favorite musicians ever. The TesseracT seem like THE NICEST group of gents ever! It would be so awesome to hang with them.
Awesome conversation. I find I can only have this depth of convo with fellow musicians...
Woah
Completely unexpected!
Love tesseract, can’t wait for the new album to drop!
Súper cool to hear amos talk about his perspective on things, music life, do this again please!
I came here (late as usual) to watch one of my favourite bass players be interviewed by one of my favourite interviewers.
And, boy, I got that in spades.
What I didn't expect, was that those two people, would have one of the most open talks I think I've seen two men have in a very long time. This was fantastic. Truly, not just incredibly interesting, but incredibly helpful as well.
Between the information gleaned from interviews with Amos and Joe from Idles (fingers crossed) I'll get my s*%t sorted one day!
Thanks again Finn, this was really great stuff!
what a great interview!
great interview. seen Tesseract up in NY yrs ago when Ashe was in the band. talented musicians. will have to check out their new album.
What an eloquently spoken interview. Amos is a class act!
Very inspiring - he is so well-spoken. Absolutely a key member of such an incredible band.
Love TesseracT so much. I always tell people to check them out. I kind of randomly stumbled upon them in middle school and to this day I never meet people who know them, which I think is such a shame for such a quality band. Like Altered State is imo not just a great prog album but one of the best prog albums of all time. Now, the lead up to this album has made it more and more clear that there is a community of people spread all over the world that loves them just as much as I, and I think that's great. A truly underrated band.
Such an interesting conversation to hear. I wasn't even aware until now that TesseracT was coming out with a new album, and definitely didn't know that Dan was back. That's incredible. I started listening to them with the One album and his vocals there were incredible. Interesting that Amos said that April was one of the more pure songs on that album, that's a really great song as well. Looking forward to hearing the album.
Just saw them here in Pittsburgh. By far one of the best shows I've ever seen. Was confused with the guy on stage barefoot. And the 7ft giant guitarist. 10/10 stars.
This is awesome!!! Really inspiring as someone with ADHD and codependency. This band has always made me *feel* and I can’t get enough of them. Loving the new stuff so far and cannot wait to see tesseract in Atlanta!!!!
I love to code while I'm listening to some tesseract music. It's relaxing and calm my anxiety.
51:22 I feel this being a fan of the band and i feel like in a sense the pandemic is changing how we view live music and performing and bands in general after being in isolation for 2-3 years you know? Thats definitely something special to explore.
I loved him in The Gentlemen. Pretty great in Dungeons & Dragons: Honor Among Thieves as well.
Hugh are pretty funny. I'll Grant you that...
This is a very...honest and normal discussion. Very mature and...im almost surprised these are even possible in a public space.
Great Interview!
Only listened once so far and I think it’s going to be my album of the year already, maybe even my favourite album for a few years to be honest!
First time listening to your interviews.....badass sir....cheers 🍻💜
18:05 AH HERE WE GO AUTISM!! Yay time for gratification 😃😃
what a genuine guy, so cool .. incredibly stunning music and band .. awesome work..
Super interesting interview. I'm just getting to know the band, they are amazing musicians
Great interview.
Finally someone acknowledging the genius of Tesseract!
Is it part of the Finn Mckenty mission statement to get every metal guest to compliment the playing ability of pop session/live players? Good interview btw
It would be great if you made a video about them
so glad to see tesseract on here!!!
Tesseracts grooves are amazing for the 'tism - FACTS 💯💯
I am so glad Dan was finally able to express himself in this album.. I always loved the vocals
My fav band 🗿
Good interview
Thank you for this
Love them!
Man, I don’t think there’s a more “thoughtful” metal band out there than TesseracT, and it comes through in spades with their music and how they talk about it.
Amos is a fascinating musician. I really look up to him as a fellow bass player. He has such a tasty tone and approach to the instrument. I have been following TesseracT ever since they released their Concealing Fate EP, and so far I have seen them live 2 times. Great band!
Interesting thoughts about autism and technical music. I very often listen to heavy/technical music when working - or podcasts like this one - because I feel like it helps me concentrate. My dad has ADD and I myself just feel like I'm wired differently than everyone else, and I have a lot of social anxiety/awkwardness going on, so... I have sometimes wondered if I have some degree of ADD/autism going on? Haven't bothered me enough to actually get tested though.
The barefoot bassist himself absolute madman ❤❤❤
I didn't know I could love TesseracT more, but this was a great interview. The dude plays barefoot onstage though. I respect that and am disgusted at the same time. Also I never realized how tall the one guitarist is. It was one of the best shows I've been to in years. The new album is probably the best in their discography.
With this record Tesseract achieve another high level to his legacy music 🎵, this put them on the orbit of one of the greatest Prog metal 🤘 of all time in my opinion , out of this world 🌍 album 💿
I'd love to see Finn interview more prog guys
get Haken and Leprous on
Yeah as a kid I'd put on Hüsker Dü (and similar) to relax, and to fall asleep. I think the white or pink noise or whatever it is of an extremely distorted guitar settled my anxious mind; similar, but not the same, as ASMR.
I haven’t been this excited for an album since Tool.
Bring on the weekend!! 😝
Great Band.
Amos williams is so so good at the bass
And how he says he ain’t that guy, will Amos! We all think you are that guy! Amazing bassist
21:30 I’ve been going through a lot of defeat lately and his take has hit home. Trying not to weep.
This is the realest fucking interview. Big props.
you talked to my favorite band!!
Dude the war of being is my album of the year, and now im all but certain that im on the spectrum, my gf cant tease me anymore ill get her cancelled. Anyway, yall made an incredible album that brings me to tears just sonically as well as lyrically. Well fuckin done. Thank you.
On a serious note - I listen to TesseracT, Meshuggah, Monuments, VOLA etc to stim for sure - calm/chill/jazz actually really excites me paradoxically
Whoa I never knew Dan had previously been a police officer. That’s awesome!
As someone on the spectrum, I love to see people in the scene doing amazing things!!
3 weeks late but having a representation of autism that i can relate to is unprecedented in metal. Glad to see so many nuero divergent people here. ❤
Amos is such a legend!!
"watching a different movie" i love this. The more we as society can acknowledge this rhe better we will coexist with each other.
Pretty cool of Hugh Grant to agree to this interview.
This makes me so fuckin happy. I ADORE TesseracT.🖤
20:14 - I definitely know exactly how he feels here. I used to work in security, and the clearest my mind has ever been is when someone's been hurt and the situation is dire. But, I can barely function just having dinner with my in-laws.