EVE Online | Down the Rabbit Hole
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- Опубликовано: 30 июн 2024
- When a small team of developers set out to create the game of their dreams, their struggle for success quickly becomes a struggle to manage it.
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Intro: 0:00
Section 1: 2:24
Section 2: 18:04
Section 3: 38:49
Section 4: 47:01
Section 5: 55:25
Section 6: 1:09:37
Section 7: 1:24:18
Section 8: 1:30:58
Section 9: 1:45:35
Section 10: 1:57:12
Section 11: 2:14:46
Section 12: 2:22:31
Section 13: 2:28:50
Section 14: 2:38:12
Section 15: 2:50:56
Section 16: 3:04:26
Section 17: 3:19:13
Section 18: 03:26:42
Section 19: 03:35:51
Section 20: 3:46:31
Section 21: 4:00:30
Section 22: 4:13:02
Section 23: 4:30:39
Section 24: 4:38:39
Section 25: 4:52:57
Section 26: 5:03:53
Section 27: 5:12:37
Section 28: 5:43:32
Outro: 5:47:34
hi
It took 2+ years and 1000+ patrons to send a man on the deepest research into a single video game ever conducted. Happy to have helped fund this madness
Woah, you're here? You put money into the patreon as well? Nice.
provided him all the yorkshire tea to help with the research?
@@planta3240 Of course! It is part of my continued plan of driving the other creators on the platform to various states of psychosis
Holy shit, he's alive.
I have provided $210 worth of yorkshire tea which is roughly 8750 bags of tea@@ritwik1223
its 2023 and people are still finding new and obvious ways to push for that 10 minute mark
this made me laugh 🐿️
This comment does NOT have the recognition it deserves
underrated comment 😂
shameless really... i hope all those 1000 patrons get their money back.
OMG!!!!! Top Tier comment
I have 0 idea of what the fuck I'm supposed to do with this near-academic level of informations about nerds fighting virtual wars in virtual space, but I was captivated by it all. Holy shit
me too never played video games but still found this whole video interesting
meditate up on it, seeing the truth about the nature of man and the world
@@josephyoung6749 Trust me this is beyond the level of what video games are normally like
I really love learning the history of things especially game development especially since it relates to my career it’s so fun
when it comes to eve he hasnt even scratched the surface.
Dude I love how thorough you are.
"They called the Titan Steve"
"Lol okay"
"The origins of this name are contested"
"Wait what?"
1st comment
I wish I could like this comment but it has 666 likes
@@nigelwest5776you can now
@@nigelwest5776 Your master has failed. It's now 863.
@@matt_r.2510we must bring it to 1337
Its like Star Wars but every single character is on the spectrum.
I love this comment so much, lol
Always thought Luke had the tism but maybe that's me
Yes.. Most of us are.
So it's like Star Wars
this is 100% true
"A player leaving Eve for World of Worldcraft increases the average IQ of both games." This is savage. 1:41:11
And untrue, but savage, yes.
I may be wrong but I believe it was first said by Robert Muldoon, PM of New Zealand from 1975 - 84, when referring to New Zealanders leaving for Australia - "New Zealanders who leave for Australia raise the IQ of both countries." Of course it was probably said earlier but it's a fairly well known quote in NZ.
Lol
@@Kektus1 Nah it's true.
I was playing wow classic while listening and I felt so called out
GoonFleet becoming GoonSwarm, then CFC, and then The Imperium reminds me of the gag in History of the Entire World where Bill says “Here comes the Assyrian Empire- nevermind, it's the Babyloni- Media- It's the Persian Empire!”
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The very first gooners
Wow that's... big
@@elevate07you could make a religion out of this
I love the natural power scaling
9 months to make a ship, and two hours later, there's like 10 of them in one fight
i mean happened with nukes irl basically, same with dreadnaughts for a bit
To be fair, the new ship is a race, so a lot of people are ready immediately after the first
Now imperium have over 1000 in their super fleet 😂
I just love that these players have all kinds of sci-fi names while one of the pivotal moments in the history of the galaxy was Steve's destruction at the hand of BOB
personally im a big fan of how the "clusterfuck alliance of the Goon Swarm" rebranded to "Imperium" for branding purposes.
@@boarfaceswinejaw4516 Come to nulsec and talk that sh1te scrub
very twin peaks
@@boarfaceswinejaw4516 Especially since "Goon Swarm" takes on an entirely different meaning now than it did over a decade ago.
I helped build Steve. I am not sure if this detail is mentioned in the video or not but even better is Steve the titan was named after Eh Steve in homestar runner. It's a good juxtaposition of a very silly name in a very pivotal moment in the game's history
Being the first corp to create the game-changing, earthshattering Titan ship and naming it Steve is such a power move
The neutron star-powered planet killer hyperstation;
*_B I G C H U N G U S_*
That, and it's from a movie over the hedge probably
I haven't watched the video yet but Ascendant Frontier named it after Steve Irwin, who had died recently.
Having it destroyed with help from the devs is a major pussy move on the other hand. Means that you need to call daddy to help you hold down someone alone in an alley to jump them.
and then Bob killed him, I love gamer naming
In '03, when I was 51 I decided to give EvE a try as I was convalescing. 20+ yrs later I am a proud Septuagenarian and still play. This extended video has me nostalgically reminiscing and I am not sure if I will sleep well with the flood of memories of events and people long gone but not forgotten. Thanks for all your fantastic work putting this chronologically correct piece together.
i’d say you’re pretty tech savvy for your age, with no offense meant of course. how old are u btw?
@@LiverPrime12003 - 2024 + 51
@@LiverPrime1 51 + 21 = 72 (sorry, couldn't help myself)
Godspeed man. Keep going.
What an incredible legacy you've helped weave. Thank you for being a part of this incredible journey!
Very interesting how the game starts as many small powers and eventually evolves to a point of no going back where theres only 2-4 major powers.
That’s capitalism, baby
It kind of seems like a lot of that had to do with in-game changes the devs made to sort of force it in that direction, though. Or at least, it seems like they made the transfer of power, territory, and resources harder to achieve by smaller factions, so larger, more powerful factions had to form.
I guess it is interesting but also that's like all of history, and not just human history. Life isnt just a numbers game but 90% of it is.
@@LifesNeverHumDrum that's society guy nothing to do with economic models lol
@@bb_arcadia5752 idk I think my summation is apt considering the evolution of the game is economically motivated
This is not a rabbit hole. This is the Mariana Trench.
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Down the wormhole
@@mattiismouse1086 I love that the occupants are called "wormholers".
Why is everyone so afraid to admit that this is Fred’s worst video by far? Because he took two years and a bunch of money to make it?
Tell me, honestly, with a straight face, that this shit isn’t like having a stroke trying to follow it. It’s incredibly dry and info-dumpy, it’s his shoddiest work and it doesn’t compare. All his other videos suck you in, this one drives you away. But everyone acts like it’s his magnum opus because 2 years bro… be real with yourself. It’s garbage for his standards.
Should’ve been cut into a series of more manageable story threads. And that way, there wouldn’t have been a 2 year content drought either. Nobody can honestly say this video is better for being a one-parter
@@HieronymousLexcan your autistic brain not pace itself or have any patience? Don't watch it all for 5 hours straight and expect to remember everything.
I love hearing people's online usernames in these historical documentary type scenarios.
Yes!
It's like when watching a Summoning Salt video and seeing a name like jimmypoopins talked about with such reverence.
"and victory was achieved, by Lenny Kravitz 2"
@@Maxjk0Yes, LennyKravtiz2 always took me out lol
“No one would ever expect the historical significance of the actions that boobyLicker69 would take on that day, it would echo for years…”
This right here is why I am willing to wait YEARS for another Down the Rabbit Hole video. I always hope it won't be another year+ between uploads, but as long as you don't abandon RUclips entirely I WILL wait as long as it takes and always come back.
yup. he's literally the only channel that I will never unsubscribe from.
i have no idea whether he's making another video or he's done for good, yet I wait patiently every single time
As a 10 year veteran (08-2018) I comend your efforts here. It was a true trip down memory lane. You have my sincerest gratitude and respect for this project. Thank you.
I like how the interview with the "pirate" at 1:58:30 is literally like
Fred: How do you feel about your role as a pirate and law breaker?
Player: It's just PvP dude. It's a game.
Is only game, why you have to be mad?
Why does it look like as if he treated bots better than players? xd
He got told to touch grass by an online space pirate
As an Eve player, it's funny. Highsec players play the game to relax. Lowsec pilots play for PVP. Nullsec pilots play for political drama. Wormhole pilots are batshit crazy.
@@wingspantt "Highsec players play the game to relax. Lowsec pilots play for PVP. Nullsec pilots play for political drama. Wormhole pilots are batshit crazy."
Lol I wish this was in the description box with no other information. Just this & a 5+ hour video, sitting g there, dauntingly.
Spent a good 5 years in game, but only ever heard small rumors and mentions of the bigger events playing out. Its wild knowing just how much drama and intrigue was actually going on out there a thousand systems away while I was working in a tiny contracted mining corp in Red territory arguing over what rock would make us the most money that week.
It’s crazy when you think about it, you were a normal working man, 9-5 mining for cash and you’re having normal conversations and valuing the simple things and there’s just an insane war happening somewhere else in the universe and you just had murmurs and whispers. You literally lived another life
Because it's really close to real life. That's what you're doing, right now. Working your little job, living your little life, while massive events go on around you. It's creepy, tbh, but in a enjoyable way
Truly a nonfiction sci-fi, eh?
Day in the life of a Star Wars background character lol
You get the same feeling when you study modern history.
"The intelligence division C.L.I.T." made me laugh way harder than it should have
Wow, this documentary should be mandatory for anyone playing EVE online.. its like a tutorial, gameplay video and documentary all in one.. bravo..
Dude returns after 2 years with a 6 hour video. Legend.
I just noticed the length and I'm in awe
Fredrik Knudsen has a good habit of only making things as long as they need to be. I mean, hell, he condensed the whole sonichu saga to about 20 minutes.
I can't wait to figure out how fucking crazy this topic is that he couldn't make it shorter.
I've been following this project for a year and a half and it's absolutely bonkers how many times he had to push it back for quality purposes. Love that he has the balls to admit that it ain't up to his standards
true also eve online is a very deep hole
Took him all that 2 years to make it I guess :D
i think the world of EVE is the closest thing to a true alternate world inside a game. it has history, culture, wars that span years, it has diplomacy, trading, crisis management, criminals, heroes and celebrities, drama . i understand why some people would put so much time into that game.
looking forward to star citizen one upping eve in ten years at the earliest XD
@@Weromano I'm hoping we'll see the creators of star citizen on JCS getting their arrest interviews picked apart for what will be one of the biggest scams in history.
@@CriticoolHit I love to see people calling it a scam while there is playable game, even more so as it turns out their main team was working on Squadron 42 all these years and having SC as secondary project (what was said will happen firsthand in begining of paetron) Having over 2k people working for the company also is not small feat to pay wages for everyone. And now on top of that we have their game engine that will be published for others to use as Unreal, Unity etc.
If it would be scam, at least scam on level to warant an arrest, you would not be able to play the game, it would be just never ending showcases with no product.
At risk of delivering Star Citizen a grievous and unwarranted insult,
Counterpoint: Dream World.
@@CriticoolHit If this was a scam, it would be the most inefficient one in history…
03:29:00 oh god I remember receiving the pings to get online for the B-R battle. Jabber went absolutely nuts and the level of confusion was huge. It was a mad dash to get online, get geared up and get into a fleet. There was total hysteria on text and voice chat - the level of excitement and tension gave it the same energy as a riot breaking out. We didn’t have good information at that early stage about what was actually happening and whether any fights were going to kick off. Once we got on and saw the player count in B-R and the size of the fleets we were fielding, it was absolutely unreal.
I think I still have screenshots from that battle somewhere. Forever one of the craziest and most memorable experiences I’ve ever had in a videogame.
I caught wind of it on reddit. Managed to load the system and as least be there lol.
😮
Only thing I remember about B-R5RB is TiDi being so bad I was able to shower and have breakfast in the time it took to reload my siege launchers.
@DarkRavenhaft Good times lol
I distinctly remember the leader of my little group of dreads telling us to "siege up and then go take a bathroom break and grab food, we should be ready to fight by the time you get back".
B-R has this reputation as a big dramatic battle, but we really did just sit around staring at one another for hours and hours waiting for modules to cycle lmao
@@IsfetSolaris@thatguykalem What side were you guys on?
im hearing this while doing some work, and it sounds like im hearing a documentary from the future about factions, trades and war in interstellar space, its amazing
a six-hour down the rabbit hole video coming out after two years of inactivity is quite possibly one of the most intimidating things that's happened this year
Nah Chris Chan is free and that's probably the more intimidating thing out uf two
How is this intimidating?
How were there 2 years of inactivity if there's a darn 6 hour long illustrative essay video? It's like wondering why buns don't appear on shelves right away.
do you know what intimidating means?
Intimidating??
12 year EvE vet here (not a bittervet). I just wanted to note that EvE's launcher now features this video with the tag line: "NEW EVE DOCUMENTARY".
I didn't see said tab earlier in the day, so it's likely they've added it within the past 12 or so hours (for people in the future, it's now 03.XI.2023, ~1 AM UTC).
Funny enough, I had this video open in my tabs for a few hours, but had not watched it, then I log into EvE and see it featured on the launcher... it was rather surreal.
It's interesting, I opened the launcher this morning and saw that as well. With how bad it makes CCP look over decisions with DUST 514, WoD, and the like, I wonder if they (CCP) actually watched the video before putting that link up.
Glad you're here
@@Sangheilitat117i doubt it. Its like theyre saying "come look at all of our bad decisions"
most big video game companies have absolutely horrible reputations, from EA to blizzard to all the other ones. So this video is just a free advertisement and a really cool entertaining video helping to enrich peoples experience of playng eve. Bad decisions are a normality, and this video makes them seem better then other game devs at least to me as someone who has not played eve since this video tells me they have a functional game, no terrible lootboxes or microtransactions, and a democraticly elected council of advisors from the playerbase. What other company even listens to their fans? and this one has player elected advisors. To me it makes them seem better then most game devs
@@jackspedicy2711 Old School RuneScape allows players to vote on the direction of the game, provided they have a certain amount of in-game skill levels (to prevent people from botting the polls).
In a way, a lot of this is what happened to the internet itself. It was just an endless chaos of small sites with drama and seperation that got devoured by larger entities until finally we have a handful of giant sites, with nothing new entering the game. It's just another story of the wild west being tamed
For the first time in my life i felt like i needed to watch the end credits roll by as a token of respect and gratitude for this epic work.
'The completion of Steve heralded war'
WOA Caddicarus???? Hey I think this might be the only time i ever get to interact with you lol But I'm a huge fan and I absolutely love your videos - They got me through an extremely tough time back in 2020 when I was graduating online. Your kind of a core memory for me cause I distinctly remember finishing my final bit of work from the entire 12th grade at 4:00AM, then just binging your show for the rest of the night. Your one of my favorites on the platform, so thankyou so much!
@@SimeonJesterim sry this is so heartwarming omgggg like such a sweet comment, i wish u the best
This is the best quote in the whole video. 1:23:28
Little did everyone know that this comment was foreshadowing of a new character in the Caddicaverse that would rival the likes of Long Dennis and Sam Widge in terms of power and charm. One that could possibly slay Spons even.
Steve.
That's what I call an interesting war
“Completion of Steve heralded war” is one of the greatest sentences ever written
"The power of Steve the Titan blunted their advance simply with the threat of its presence" is also a good one
@@IMModusOperandiAny line involving Steve, it’s power and the reverence of its power is a good line.
@@Gwennerini Came to say this. Steve will forever hold an unassailable position of awe and reverence in New Eden.
meow meow, purr
players leaving Eve for WoW increased the IQ of both forced me to pause the video and take the time to fully appreciate the sentiment.
Well done.
This is one of the greatest video outhere on youtube.
im must be at my 7-8 th watch. Each time , i log on my eve online character , i queue some research and start making my way among the stars. I never been part of a war. You wont remember my name in your system but i may be the ship you see mining his way .
thanks for the video fredrik .
6 hours. 6 freaking hours. Making a 6 hour documentary is one of the scariest things I can imagine.
Congratulations on finishing this monumental project, Fred! I've got my Monk Shit Tea™ and I'm ready for a comfy deep dive into EVE.
See you all on the other side!
I have never seen a RUclipsr take two years to make a vid. I just assumed that you became the Good & Evil 2 of RUclips.
If we make it out alive and we're all done with this, want to go fishing?
I love you, Mr Touch 🌈
Too much work for me to comprehend.
@@charlenetweaver2557I would love to
My father played EVE Online and holy hell, i do remember some wars that happend because he loved to share his current adventures whenever we visited, we were not interested to play (it looked too complex) but he stories he told were amazing
He was on a trade route in the middle of the night when Steve got destroyed and screamed us awake when he got the message. He was one of the people outside the cooperation did trades that funded the creation of Steve
As a former Eve player from back in those days, I've got to say the stories are incredible (as demonstrated with this video).
However, hearing that it was your father who played suddenly makes me feel very, very old. ;)
I was like 13 when it happend and just started playing online games, so yeah, sorry to make you feel old :'D
That sounds lame 😂😂
@@cumpanions8105 You must be fun at parties
Wholesome
seeing zecora in the background during extended quotes multiple times was absolutely hilarious, those peeps chose a fantastic image
You meet bronies in most unexpected places
@@JustRandomSymbols Yeah. Like in the borderlands 2 credits
*Brohoof. /)*
@@prot07ype87 (\
Archival work like this is no small feat, and is so so appreciated. Preserving digital spaces, and the stories that go with them will always be important to me, as well as many others.
He is a genius! To prevent streamers from stealing and "reacting" to his video, he made it so long they probably wouldn't bother
Sure worked on XQC lmaooooo
I don't know, I wouldn't put it past them to put up the video and then watch it while periodically eat, go to the bathroom etc...
They could just play the video and then leave for 5 hours
He actually gave them permission to stream it on Twitter
He literally said he wont mind
My best friend played EVE Online and got me into it. He played it for over 10 years. He recently passed away and would have loved to see this compilation of history about it. I am watching it in memory of him.
im sorry to hear that ❤
Pay attention, capsuleer, for those who have gone before you call for you to join them.
The cyno is now lit.
My condolences. You're remembering him in the most respectful way.
I'm sorry for your loss.
o7 may you wake up in a better place covered hydrostasis fluid, capsuleer.
I keep coming back to this. Such a good story.
Took me a couple days in multiple segments, but wow. What a video. After many years of avoiding the game due to hiw complicated it looked and my young brain not down to learn it.
NOW as an adult, Ive come to appreciate the sheer magnitude this game brings to the mmo world. It has been a magical experience in the short time Ive been playing. A few weeks now as I comment this.
I get giddy and excited to get involved in such epic battles and become even a tiny part of history in the gaming world.
10/10 would watch again.
My father played this religiously as I was growing up. All those little ships, distant suns, and little mechanical icons were a constant motif that accompanied my whole growing up. I am *thrilled* to see a deep dive on it by the man who deep dives for a hobby.
Bravo! As someone who has played Eve for 20 years, this was, (I'm almost embarrassed to say), an emotional trip back down memory lane. The most touching was the story of Steve. My first null sec experience was ASCN. I joined in the main corp and later moved to the military corp of Celestial Fleet. I (we) spent tireless months mining, building and defending to achieve the milestone of building the first Titan. It was a real-life emotional moment when it was unveiled. I was not online when it went down, and the first log in after was chaos, and heart wrenching. The loss of morale and the war with BoB after was also despairing. Most of the members of the alliance were :carebears", and Bob pretty much rolled us in every battle. Great memories. I turned 60 this year, and am still playing, thankful to have lived in a time when a game like Eve was and is possible. Thank you for your incredible work on this, Documentary.
Was emotional ride for me to, and don't even play the game.
No need to be embarrassed, you participated in online history. Not many people can say that.
You've played even longer than me, I tip my hat to you sir!
I never played Eve. I did play Dust 514. It was the first fps game that I really got into and it had ties to Eve online. I remember doing clan fights for planets and if I remember correctly the Eve players would drop orbital strikes to hit the enemy team during a battle if your clan had Eve ship support. I dropped Dust when Destiny came out. Man I haven't thought about that game or this franchise in years and I didn't even realize that ppl still played Eve. That's crazy
My Dad is around your age too man. He still plays every now and then. Thanks for the story!
2004-2018 bittervet. I remember watching the reports from B-R at work, racing home and jumping into the fight a couple of hours before downtime. I spent the whole Fountain war on the front line and was flying an interdictor for over 5 hours in the ill-fated battle of Z9PP; which was my highlight of the war, even more so than 6VDT. I lit the cyno for Boat's hilarious first bomber fleet (the one which bombed itself). I was there for so many things in this epic video.
The Summer of Rage. Eroticagate. I remember World War Bee, and the years that followed flying with Miniluv and the New Order, multiboxing 4 accounts ganking freighters and haulers, which were probably the most fun of my 15 years as a capsuleer other than Fountain.
I don't regret winning, but Eve is something special.
Incredible piece of work, and it was fascinating to see how WWB2 played out. I just wish there had been some coverage of the parody songs, so Sindel, Suas and Curzon Dax among others got the recognition they deserve. And also wish James 315, Princess Aiko and the isk doubling ban controversies had made an appearance :)
this is so fascinating. i love coming back to this video to read comments from eve vets and hear their stories. thank you for sharing!
"X" for POS destruction, little bee...
What is Eroticagate?
Watched it in one setting and never found a single part of it dull. Incredible work. Thanks for taking me on this journey.
Born too late to participate in EVE online
Born just in time to watch a 6 hour down the rabbit hole video about it
It's never too late bro. Eve is alive and well. Now is perhaps one if the best times to join in.
Eve is still alive
Yeah it's never too late. Especially now that Skill Injectors are a thing.
People were saying in 2006 that it is too late to join EVE because you will never catch up.
Lol
LMAO
How is it too late? The game is still running and thousands of people are playing. If you're thinking "but I'm way behind the older players!", you've got it all wrong, sprinting to the endgame in a linear progression to "really start playing" isn't how EVE works. You learn slowly and the ships you fly at the start don't stop being useful later. It's normal for veterans to fly low tier/small ships in many situations, and you can be almost immediately useful to multiplayer fleets even as a relative noob. EVE is a journey, not a race.
Six hours of material.
Around two years of work.
Your dedication to your craft is absolutely mindblowing.
You're an absolute legend, Fredrik. I'm so glad I found you.
Idk man, 2 years for a 6 hour documentary sounds ridiculous to me. There are RUclipsrs that make hour long vids every week like YourFavoriteSon. Especially since the history of Eve is so well documented.
We almost lost him to Eve online
Darksydephil said Fred Knudsen quit and implied he scammed people lol.
@@laughingseal2282Eh, Fred did enjoy the good life with Jabroni Mike. And there's that, uh, owl avatar arc.
@@FeiFongWangyeah and those RUclipsrs have entire teams to help them with every single aspect of the video production including research. this is like two people
5:31:35 some things that are missing right there, Asher predicted the enemy fleets movement and so papi was caught in a bad position, papi took the position anyway because they had more numbers, and before downtime the titan vs titan battle that took place was a shock to most of us that it was actually taking place, and at first it was one for one, but the target calling by Asher changed that and Imperium quickly started wiping out papi titans, it caused papi to panic and not make the right calls for downtime, many of the pilots feared logging back in after downtime and hoped to escape, most did not make it.
And although the video makes it look like a turkey shoot with titans, at first it was not, it was a super bold move for Imperium to detether and attack the enemy titans, yeah some papi titans didn't make the jump correctly, but they still had an overwhelming force.
This was an incredibly thorough and well-scripted video! Fantastic work, and an amazing story about a game I'd often heard of, but never much looked into because I didn't think I'd have the time to dedicate to it. It's truly astounding what players will accomplish with a sandbox game.
One fun thing that didn't make it into the video was how after seeing war declared on them by the entirety of Nullsec in late 2020, with the explicit stated goal of removing Goonswarm from the game, Goonswarm activated "The Horn of Goondor", a long standing emergency plan. What is the Horn of Goondor? The Mittani emailed every single user who had ever been a Goon, no matter how long ago they played or how skilled they were - all hundred thousand plus of them - and asked them to return to the game.
"You knew this day would come; you knew that you would be called. Only as a last resort; only when it matters most, when the fate of our tribe and the galaxy itself hangs in the balance. The Horn of Goondor, only to be sounded in our darkest hour, when the enemy is at the gates of Fortress Delve and it is time to win or die."
😲📯
Remember: These guys bully people to death. They're Scientology Cartman.
I would've joined on the Other side.
Spent most of my time in nullsec fighting Goons, and even in other entire games where they showed up, even if they were on my team (keeping the same username was always a dead giveaway).
Tho I remember unshipping Mittani once, when Goons was still the new, fresh, pimple faced bully on the kindergarden playground. Almost podded him, too, but our 'ceptor got popped and he broke lock.
That is epic 🙂
if only he became painter instead ^^@@amzarnacht6710
This guy convinced me to watch a 6 hour video on a game that I've not only never played, but never even heard of. Well done
Had me talking to my coworkers about the unbelievable scale of a game that none of us have played before.
Spent 13 years on the game. It's over the top good.
Look up the Battle of B-R5RB
You'll be VERY impressed and even tempted to play.
some 15 years in the game myself.
I only noticed the time now WHAAAT.
@@halashooligans That battle is what Section 18 covers in the video.
28:00 It is intensely funny that the devs said they wanted to made a hyper-capitalist economy in their game, and then were shocked when almost all the factories were bought up by speculators and not productive members.
How a game company made a freak success and then proceeded to fuck up for 20 years.
I now understand the history and politics of EVE better than those of the real world. Thank you, Fred.
Check out Adam Curtis if you want some fun documentaries on irl politics
This video is OK but only covers a tiny part of EVE
@@user-tx7qm3ml8nwhat's missing?
Real politics, some people want to something and the other people don't, every so often a new thing comes up, then the then everyone swaps places. Carry on infinitely into the future.
@@bepdHypernormalization goes so hard.
his last words on this 6 hour video being a long "im sorry this is incomplete" is exactly what I subscribed for, amazing video as always
Yo thank you so much for doing the work and digging , to find these weird stories online, it never ceases to amaze me how people conduct themeselves on the internet thanks sooo much!!
Absolutely amazing!! You and your team did an outstanding job. I am saddened that Pochven was not mention but this documentary is truly worthy of the highest praise possible. You have added a gem to Eve Online that cannot be rivaled. Thank you.
The fact people went as far as to track someone's address to cut their power is CRAZY lmao that's absolutely unreal
Eve Online is a buck wild game, with an even more buck wild playerbase.
Haven't finished the video yet, but that doesn't sound "unreal", that is legitimately scary. Despite the presumably innocuous intention, having the ability to track a person's address and cutting their power just for a videogame is incredibly dangerous.
@@alexanderpadida8339 I'm not sure if you understood correctly what unreal means? It means something like 'unbelievable' as in 'it's unbelievable to me some people went this far [because that's batshit insane behaviour]'
@@oxey_ it's completely reckless and dangerous..
@@lordblazer yes that is also what I'm saying
1:41:06
"A participant of X leaving for Y increases the I.Q of both groups."
This is genius and I am stealing it.
I already know this is leaving from EvE to WoW
@@MrFrogsieboth games are trash foh
@@doublewhopper67its much older than that lol. commonly used about Scotland and England hahah
@@ninjacell2999 I know it for a 40+ year old joke involving two US states though the Scotland/English one is probably older.
@@whom382 I heard it about the Oakies leaving for California
Dude I watch/listen to a lot of RUclips, 8-10 hours a day while I’m working. This might be the best video I’ve ever seen. Fantastic job man! This video is seriously impressive. Who would have thought that the random inner working of a video game would be so captivating.
I have been moved by this video essay more than I have been by many of the worlds greatest films. The living history of EVE, a microcosm into the human condition is truly enthralling.
Only Fredrik Knudsen can get me to sit down for 6 hours to learn all about a game I've never heard of before and keep me enraptured with how he narrates it. Phenomenal work
Play. Just to give context to this amazing video.
Make sure to find both Empires of Eve books
Never heard of this one? Yeah nah I gave WoW a bit of go but didn't really get too far into it. I considered EvE but it just seemed too complex for 12 yr old me. Would honestly take to theoretical physics faster than EVE Online.
I got a friend who plays this - gotta ask him tomorrow if he already watched this as well.
@@stevenbeckwith6307 The average age of the playerbase is probably ~40, with plenty being in their 50s and comparatively fewer 20 year olds here and there. You have time. We'll likely still be here in a decade.
How is it possible to NOT have heard of EVE? 🤨
As someone who has their entire playtime of EVE inside of wormholes, it's nice to actually get mentioned since we tend to get overlooked a fair bit when it comes to the game at large.
Do you have anything you'd want to add when it comes to wormhole space? That was definitely something I was interested in hearing bits from throughout the video (I don't play EVE)
Give us stories
@@ADEtheMayhem Okay i tell you one. One day our POS manager left the wormhole with 500 Million in loot to sell it and he did. But the WH collapsed behind him. So noone was left at the wormhole and the WH POS only had 1 week of fuel left. We had to search for our wormhole system for 6 days with untold dangers from other players to get back to it and refill the wormhole POS. That one week, and the untold billions of loot and ships we had left there. The POS manager who left the WH and searched for it 6 days was mentally destroyed, even after managing to get back. The stress was so much for him he left the game for good. Never seen one person break, his whole EvE existence was in that WH and the possibility to lose it all, was just to much stress for him to handle reallife.
lol thats why i left holes
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I vote this as best RUclips "documentary" the amount of time needed to make this is just shocking to make. to research such a "dry" subject matter and keeping it interesting is an artwork. 6 hours I loved! well done!
This is amazing. Thank you for sharing it with all of us. I've been a part of this community for so long, the past fades. But this... it stirs so many memories, both good and bad.
I love this. It's just as rich and complex as a real sci fi novel. I find it fascinating how the dev team essentially functions like the Imperium in Dune. Having the powers and responsibility of a god but being just as prone to bias and corruption, and get infiltrated by people who have greater loyalty to their factions and end up undermining the dev teams authority
I would love to play an actual Dune game like that, although Im not a fan of paying real money for in game assets, I gotta eat and pay rent.
How long has it been???? U r the GOAT of youtube journalism
@@egotrip995literally who lol
So basically...just like real life with the NWO and WEF...gotcha.
By the by, there are two EVE novels written as well. The Empyrean War and Templar One. Thay aren't based around the player exploits, but more about the four empires and the politics of it all.
One small correction, at 2:11:26, you mention EveMon as having been created by a group of players in 2006. *I* created EveMon in 2006, alone, and maintained it solo until, I believe, sometime in 2007 when I stopped playing EVE and left the project over to another developer to take it over and run with it and it became a group-run project some time after that.
My understanding is that since then the project's gone through several cycles of the same thing: someone or a group maintains it until they're done with EVE, and then someone else takes up the mantle and runs the baton further on. Honestly I'm a little surprised it's still kicking, and still looking a lot like it was when I was done with it 17 years ago.
Fun fact, EveMon was originally just an internal tool I'd made for Goonfleet (that's why the error dialog has a bee); but after a few months it turned out to be so useful that I decided to open it up to everyone.
your glory days are over
King
A small but concrete stake in history
Wow man. I loved evemon. Used it religiously
Proof or your lieing who just pops in to take credit and expects us to trust a simple comment on youtube
Absolutely incredible! My brother spent many nights trying to teach me to play years and years ago, so EVE has always held a special spot in my heart. The tale of Katia was so heart warming and so anxiety inducing. I was convinced it would end in tragedy! This video was so compelling and so daunting. I want to learn more, but I don't even know where I would start!
"Thank you for your time"
Thank you for your efforts! That was amazing to watch!
The casinos becoming the biggest threat after not being mentioned for a few hours is the greatest twist of all time.
When that winet person was talking a bunch of shit, I had this feeling that I want isk was not capping. should have known the resources they had would have been vast
Also, when the Imperium goes back to the roots almost a decade and half later as Goonswarm by sending a swarm of ships against PAPI...
Pure Kino
i swear i scrolled down for a short break, i see this and then it literally just got to that part LMAO amazing
That's the thing, CCP acts as if this was unexpected. They often talk as if EVE was a real world and an academic worthy social experiment. But the very concept of a hyper capitalist society is already known to end up like that. Competition leads to an eventual cartel of highly concentrated groups and stratification of society.
In other words, if they really wanted to analyze New Eden seriously, they would know that this was the natural outcome. People and groups dedicated to accumulating wealth enough to fund wars and to control the flow of the galaxy. Creating a ultra free market ends up like that, they can try to reset things by removing the cassinos but it will just happen again. It's the natural flow of the system they created.
@@LuizAlexPhoenix The problem was that by allowing these casinos they would be actually be facilitating RMT to the tune of tens/hundreds of thousands of dollars which can quite quickly even become cover for actual real world money-laundering. And that is a good way to get the attention of financial regulators or even risk your relationship with PayPal/credit card providers. Jagex had a similar problem at one point.
This man went into the Icelandic Dream Experiment and pulled out more hours of footage than *the Director's Cut of Return Of The King.* Honor this man and his name.
it’s the Return of the King alright
Icelandic Dream Experiment sums it up pretty nicely
An hour and a half ago, I’d never in my life heard of this game, or of Fredrik. Now I’m in. I’m all in. Epic
Beautiful, incredible effort. A retelling significant enough to become part of the very history it laboured to illuminate. Bravo
46 minutes in and I feel like even an eight-hour version would be barely scratching the surface. Utterly fascinating.
💀
the man himself did say that it was unfinished. He could probably talk about the market and pricing wars and take up at least 2 more hours. Never mind the high-sec drama, which he specifically didn't mention at the end. He just covered the basics. Literally. Sure, most capsuleers wont have the details down like Fredrick did but the gist of it and more? Oh yeah, they probably know more.
The best description I've ever heard of EVE: "Other games focus on having people going up against monsters, maybe in small groups, whereas EVE is focused on encouraging the people be the monsters, usually in large groups."
Is it too nerdy for me to say that hearing the description of EVE warfare (players don’t die, it’s just about draining resources and the will to fight) reminds me of Wendigoon’s description of the War in Heaven in Paradise Lost?
And the can’t-live-with-them-can’t-live-without-them dynamic between players and war post-Casino wars does seem very WWI or like that Zero Punctuation joke about how old decedent societies like war for the sake of war.
@@lazymillennialjobseeker9282 no it isnt. Its pretty normal. Almost every online game has some autistic backstory with people creating factions n shit.
@@lazymillennialjobseeker9282Real warfare is about draining resources and the will to fight. Also millions of people really die too!
@@michaelmartin9022i think you missed the point
@@nononoohfuck the point, obviously, being to imply the EVE player base are demons.
This was one of the best RUclips videos I have ever seen. What an amazing job, I am sure it was a team effort, well done to all involved.
Written, Produced, Narrated and Editeted by ONE PERSON this is fucking phenomenal. Brilliant
I now thoroughly understand why this video took over 2 years to make - you were cooking up an absolute behemoth behind the scenes and I deeply respect you all the more for it.
Did you get the video early, or did you say this an hour in?
This felt like a 6 hour long audiobook of sci-fi book series.
So much stuff that sounds like it should be a movie or part of series.
Like, that tether plan with motherships, the social club, the whole goons saga and their enemies...
It is and I love it
@@michimatsch5862also how the Imperium sounds exactly like the US. Now all of the south and a most of the east is against the US and their alllies of the west Nato. It's extremely shocking how a game civilization is so similar to real life.
And it's boring af. Not worth the 2+ year hiatus
@@Kyle_Rieltry again girl
A truly spectacular video. The work you had to have done to finish this behemoth was definitely worth it.
Not even an hour in and I'm recognizing so many names and events it feels like a mid-life crisis. The development of the Golden Fleet and the pipe-bomb, devs that actually played the game alongside their players...
I have to respect the Goonsquad for becoming the mustache twirling villains as the Imperium, someone needed to be the bad guy to make the wars happen.
As someone who was in a Goon guild in a very different game, we're generally very good at getting people to want to punch us in the face :D
@@loslomo goons presence in the game was xmas morning under the tree for Panfam
losers online aren't villains, they are almost always someone in need yet to know effects of true villainy.
@@VM-hl8msbro it’s a videogame
Goonswarm are the goon guys btw
3:06:24 HE SAID IT! HE SAID THE THING!
Also, while I’m here, fantastic video! The balance of accessibility and depth is just right
Woah, spoilers
Ayoo nice to see my favorite pos here!
@@ElijahRhyne Yeah I wanted the shock of him saying "Meow, Meow. Purr!!" myself! 😉
The presence of so many YT icons just confirms what we already knew: This platform exists now only to host the one RUclipsr to unite us all:
Fredrik Knudsen.
“Down the rabbit hole”?
This was an amazing few days feeling like an observer to an entire other universe of wonder and amazing coordination between fellow explorers of the stars. Thank you so much for all the effort put into this Fredrik, keep up all the work you do.
I can’t put to words how amazing this all is to me. Thanks for putting this together!
I started eve in 2008 (I was 15 at the time), creating my account on new years eve as I sat alone and without friends. The typical 2000s nerd.
While I stopped playing a couple of years ago I made a decade long friendships there with people all over the world. We met in iceland, UK, Germany, Netherlands and the US. We went from being teenagers to attending universities, finding jobs and becoming family fathers all while living double lives as a band of internet spaceship pirates. The friendship machine is real. We helped each out with ISK (ingame currency) and real cash when one of us fell on hard times.
That is pretty neat; Thanks for sharing
Try out star citizen
Why did you stopped playing?
Did you make a really dumb name back then like I did?
@@SkeepyJeepyJohnsonI am of a similar age and playtime as the above person. I named my account Slutbutt and Doxxed myself with the character name. Baha
Always a pleasure to see Down The Rabbit Hole upload. Can't imagine how much work went behind this, but I imagine your notes for this video being larger than any of us can ever imagine.
Wow it feels like I found a legend by accident in the comments.
Haven't seen you in a while. Nice to see you again!
Goawaynownonce.
I keep forgetting you exist; and everytime I remember you’ve always done something even more batshit while I was gone.
I sincerely hope you never stop surprising people with your dedication to researching stuff on the internet.
I watched this video and decided to give this game a try.
Six months later, I’ve made some of the coolest friends ever and continue to spend my nights in New Eden. Truly an unparalleled experience.
I’ve been slowly watching this video for 2 weeks. Finally finished it. Congratulations on such a beautifully told piece of history
congrats on finishing it lmao
Lol. 2 years of proscrastinating for ”It would become the largest battle in EVE history” times 16.
Same here. It's like an audiobook with flashy pictures :D
Ditto. Took me about the same amount of time.
I just watched it in one sitting. 😰
The Eve online madness can only compete with Fredrik Knudsen's madness of making an almost 6-hour video on this incredible video game. Thank you, Fredrik! I will eagerly await the next masterpiece video in two years.
This is written so well like every Section ends with a sentence that solls thw next one so well and got me all excited for it. I had so many "just one more" moments it's crazy :D
Incredible work, both as an interesting video but more so to make sure this historic game with all its events doesn't get lost to time. While i know many would find it silly, "its just a videogame", i find the paralells to the real world and the time spent as worthwhile as any story or piece of history. Incredible work, i cannot fathom how much time and dedication was put in to this. Thank you all who made this possible!
I honestly thought this channel was dead, but then you return with a 6 hours video after two years. Thank you so much for dedicated so much time and effort to provide us with such high quality content!
Between him and Casually Explained, this year has been an emotional rollercoaster for me. I don't have a lot going on.
Checking Community Posts can be extremely helpful.
It's not as impressive as almoghtylolis 21 hour berserk video. And he didn't stop making content for that
@@666slateran666 wasn't that a supercut of all their content so far? this isn't equivalent at all.
was never worried, just knew whatever video was coming has gotta be huge LOL
Favorite line:
"Crowd Control Productions had little ability to control the movements and actions of the people operating in null sec..."
Second watch now.
I have never even played eve but its super nostalgic for me because back in the 2000s we had senior nerd friends who would tell us freshman nerds about them playing eve. Back then it was in the middle of the BoB war and I'm happy to report that they broke down the war super accurately at the time as everything in this video matches up with what they were telling us at the time. I was worried when I watched this for the first time that those guys were just conjuring up excitement.
I was just so fascinated by everything being player driven. The economy, Wars, politics. All player driven.
Learn a skill, dont watch this scam of a video twice fam dang
Wait, did nobody think of calling Goon propaganda "propagoonda"?
That's amazing. How good were the goons? I wasn't a part of any of this, but would've thoroughly enjoyed being a goon or fighting against them. The Goons brought the perfect element possible to a space fighting, empire building sim: smart-arse fascism. What better way to stir-up players into organising their resources for epic virtual space ship battles? And the propaganda was hilarious 😂😂😂 Google image search "Imperium propaganda eve online" and there's a WW2 inspired poster with the word OBEY up top. Pure. Gold. They knew how to have video game fun.
I was at B-R. 18 hour slugfest. One of the peak moments of my time playing EVE. Will never forget that day.
That was just before my time in EVE. I started 2 months before M2.
i was a support gate camper for B-R, aiming to kill pods because entering the system was basically impossible. Back when Fatal Ascension was often vying for the 2nd spot in CFC.
I did finally get my butt in a dread for 6VDT though
@@Scampcam hell yea. Those were the days
yeah right
I feel the same about 6-VDT 😍
All I can say is "I was There" from starting early on in 2003 mining to a small corp fighting CVA for our own little part of null sec. Then been part of a major wormhole corp pulling off some of the biggest evictions and fights in wormhole space. Then fighting in the casino wars as a member of Merc Coalition. Thanks for doing this and bringing back so many memories.
I really can't believe how early this game was released
Holy shit the casino wars
Last time I went round my cousin's house he'd just got a sweet new PC and was showing me Eve. I technically have a character in there... somewhere.
How long ago? Let's just say his "sweet new PC" had a CRT monitor, and he also showed us an early trailer for Star Trek Nemesis.
Which wormhole corp? I was in POSPY for a while, I don't even know if it still exists but my EVE years hold a very warm place in my heart
@loops8274 Unfortunately due to declining activity POSPY slowly died off. We were eventually evicted from our hole. We did get most of our major expensive assets out because we saw it coming months before. Couldn't move the capital ships out because the hole was too small but I felt like we spent them gloriously in battle. Some of us still play and keep in touch but POSPY is gone.
Fantastic work, really. Thank you for helping us modest Eve casuals to better understand the waters we dip in.
This was a fantastic video! I enjoyed it like I was watching the entire LOTR trilogy! Absolutely fantastic! Thank you for making this video! I can't imagine what it took to make it happen or the amount of hours spent on it but finding this video and wtching it over three days has been the highlight of this month.