EXbob Scientology makes sense if you squint one eye and tilt your head. Time cube doesn’t make sense no matter how you look at it, even with LSD involved.
@@EXbobomb ofc your cant wrap your head around it. It's spherical while his theory is -you guessed it- quadratic with corners in its nature. ...My own shitposting confuses me to no end this time xD
I love the excitement in his voice; "My father was a fish?! No, please, explain!" like even though you know the guy's gonna say something crazy you want to hear it
Likewise Dove, I am also curious about how Pacific Islanders, Hispanics, Aboriginal Australians, Arabs, Turks, Persians and Caucasus Peoples also fit within the Time Cube.
It's kinda sad, because it probably started out with just a quip that "Hey, it's midday here but midnight on the other side of the world, if you think about it, it's lie 2 days at once" and Gene probably thought it was world changing news.
A logical conclusion to this reasoning is that there are actually an infinite number of days on Earth happening simultaneously (assuming sunlight has infinitesimal width, which it doesn't but w/e). Or rather 6.378 x 10^41 days happening simultaneously, since that's the radius of the Earth in Planck lengths, and therefore the largest number of segments you can divide the equator into with each segment still having any sort of meaningful distance. "Explanation" for this claim. You can take the full sphere of the Earth, and divide it into two equal sectors, one centered on wherever midday is, and the other centered on wherever midnight is. That gives you two simultaneous "days". You can instead divide the sphere into 4 equal sectors, centered on midday, midnight, sundown, and sunup, resulting in the time cubes 4 days. But why stop there? Why not consider each time zone (assume time zones are regularly spaced and actually make sense here) and it's +/- 12 hour counterpart as their own pair of sectors and day/anti-day pair, producing 24 simultaneous days? Why even stop there? Why not arbitrarily divide each time zone into smaller and smaller longitudinal slices, creating more and more sectors and days? Mathematically, you can do it infinitely, creating an infinite number of infinitesimal width sectors, and therefore an infinite number of days. In reality though, the Planck length is the smallest meaningful distance, and so the smallest meaningful width you can make these sectors. As such, there is a sort of hard limit imposed on the number of simultaneous days. In other words, fuck the time cube, the time sphere is where it's at.
@Draugr Haha, you were in the other thread about the escalator to Heaven, talking something about rape in Swedish psychiatric hospitals being a therapy. Read my story on that one that I just typed, is quite amusing, but it was true, yes.
@Draugr It was further down the page, Charlotte Markowski's comment. But I said that this happened to me: FAST N BULBOUS 1 week ago I was unfairly sent to psychiatric hospital a few years ago due to my lottery debacle story where I'm left to sound delusional when I am not. I can attest that there are indeed people inside that are like this. Was even this one guy (Wanky Shit Demon) who would shit himself often and jerk off in the dining hall area during lunch. And this frightful woman I met who blatantly stole my e-cigarette by sticking it inside her vagina before being transferred to her new destination, I just know it. It just vanished after I gave her it to smoke on for a bit before leaving. Her fingers were so yellow. Complete beast.
Yes but surely you can see that 45:24 is meant to imply 45-24 which is 21. Obviously 21 is just 7x3. What is 7-3??? FOUR. If you can grasp this you will truly understand the majesty of the time cube.
He seemed surprisingly friendly and well-adjusted in the videos we see, his ramblings aside. Either something really bad happened off-camera, or like many people Gene transformed into something else when he went online.
Trackers89 if he was schizophrenic, it does explain the sudden change. Also the site and time cube might be his way of self treating the disorganised thoughts/delusions, with out him acknowledgeing that what he had. Plus it looks like he had a good social outlet / people looking out for him, which could explain why he seems so well adjusted
Throughout the story you saw that Gene had a very big ego, constantly claiming superiority to everyone else and giving himself titles like doctor. I think Time Cube was less of a scientific theory and more of a way for him to inflate his own ego, for whatever reason. Whenever CubeHead came along, garnering attention and creating his own site, Gene saw it as a threat, as it detracted attention away from him. That's why he talked to CubeHead and made him put that disclaimer. To make sure the site pointed to Gene himself, instead of the concept of the time cube.
It's a lot like how the director of the cult bad movie Troll 2 preferred the mocking of people who were laughing at him and not with him. Being a laughingstock gets him work at midnight showings in indie cinemas, conventions, etc.
I strongly doubt that other guy actually believed his theory. Seems more like he was just trying to make a name for himself and get Internet Famous by riding the coattails of the original Time Cube Guy (tm).
@@AnimatedStoriesWorldwide Wow what kind of frustrations are you repressing/imposing? What's so weird about taking humor in a racist being so befuddled by biracial people? Why are you so ready to attack and insult when racism is part of the subject lol?
Fun Fact: The reason Galileo was shunned by the Church wasn't due to his theory of the earth revolving around the sun but rather some cursitory remarks about the current Pope at the time. It'd be a bit like the a college teacher writing their paper for tenure and making some tangents in the paper about the college president and how the people on the peer review all look like a bunch of dumbasses. Do you think that teacher is getting approved?
@@t.r2603. True, but the lesson is about the hipocrisy of several institutions *inside* the Church (at the time, duh) that aimed to share this new knowledge about Nature but in reality only managed to support the status quo of ignorant masses afraid of new ideas. I hope the contrast with your simile is nnotable enough to enter some books right now
And? What else? Did you forget to add something? The video already said exactly what you quoted we can watch it again if we need a reminder. Jesus fart ballz christ you got almost 600 likes for that?!!! This world's gonna burn, people are getting too stupid
Ray had a pretty big family, with children, grandchildren and even great-grandchildren apparently. He seemed to have had a rather fulfilling life and was probably loved until the end despite being a nutcase. Richard, on the other hand, seemed to be just a really troubled person overall. His interactions with Ray were horribly awkward to watch. it's a shame what happened to him.
Maybe he wasn't crazy his whole life. It's at least possible to develop psychosis in your later years; if I'm not mistaken it can be a symptom of dementia.
@@marmotsrulepwned I'd buy it. Friend's uncle was a very friendly person up till he reached roughly 60 or 70 years. Guy quickly lost his marbles and was basically a different person. Sad shit that was.
I remember watching Richard's program and was convinced it was satire. Talking about a 'cubeless conspiracy' delaying his flight, running up to the camera to talk about Steve Erwin and the Supreme Number 4...I thought he was into some serious Andy Kaufman method shit. But nope, he was genuine.
@@MelancoliaI That's what is odd about him. The videos are so obviously comedic in tone but he's simultaneously totally serious about the contents. It almost anticipates the kind of meta-ironic stuff we see today. Maybe it's an Australian thing, idk
@@wjjgtin5074 A person consists of two elements, which combines into 4 later in life. To be biracial, or race squared, would imply that a person can be perfect on its own, which explains Gene Ray's confusion: a full bright-side is supposed to be unstable.
@@rocketsummer He lost it while walking in the Timecube. When the four corners converge and the eight cardinal directions center, the Timecube will appear and he'll get his marbles back.
I love how the Australian kid is in total shell shocked when he gets to the house. he's so enthusiastic in his videos but all he can say is yeah once he gets face to face with the man
Danny Peters i really don’t think he was trolling bro. I doubt it was coincidental that he committed suicide so soon after being denounced by Gene Ray. Furthermore, the posts about his death allude to him having mental health issues. I suspect he was just a troubled, introverted young man who was trying to find truth and meaning in the world. It’s really quite sad. It also made me sad seeing that snippet of Gene’s granddaughter visiting him, you can tell there was some age-related dementia twisting his thought process.
It's either one of two things in my opinion: 1) The kid was trolling hard af (kinda seemed like it in the videos tbh) and then reality hit him like a brick wall when he actually arrived and met the guy. 2) He legit completely believed every single thing this guy said (which is also equally viable considering the whole story) and when he arrived, he realised the concept he put so much belief into was really complete wank coming from an old man... And he felt awkward as fuck.
Trying to understand shapes in higher dimensions (like 4D, 5D, 6D shapes etc) is pretty much that. No human can really comprehend it. You can't imagine a 4D cube. You can't even draw a 4D cube. You can only understand it with maths. We can use maths to determine properties of higher dimensional objects but we'll never be able to actually see one of them. And trying to imagine one for decades would probably drive you mad. Plenty of mathematicians went mad. Georg Cantor, Ludwig Boltzmann, Kurt Gödel are all mathematicians who went mad because of maths. Meanwhile here I am, literally have diagnosed schizophrenia, and I have none of the secret super powers. I'm pretty terrible at arithmetic.
I used to work in a small independent movie theater back in college. We had a regular customer that came in once a week who we named Vietnam John. John was a very eccentric old man. He normally worry black tights/yoga pants, a neon yellow athletic shirt and a large fur coat. He was missing most of his teeth and had long hair that was dyed black and kept in a pony tail. He loved flashlights, and always had a collection of pen lights to show off. Despite being on the kooky side, he always came off seeming intelligent. I got the impression that John spent every day reading anything he could. He had an amazing ability to recall things he had read, but little filter in what he read or absorbed from it. He was just as likely to talk to you about physics as he was about the illuminati. Gene Ray sounds and talks just like John, and cube time sounds like something John would talk about. Maybe he's just a different independent theater's Vietnam John that just happened to get famous.
@@adambutler1513 Which is especially baffling since his hero acted exactly like he did online. This isn't like, you meet the actor of your favorite childhood TV show and it turns out they're a douchebag. Gene acted the same. I don't know why Richard expected him to not act as he did.
To me, it seems like he was slowly realizing just how alone and insane they both are for pursuing this completely nonsensical philosophy. Its like the aussie was understanding that he was staring into his future.
@@blackblackstatic Think of intelligence as book smarts and wisdom as street smarts. An intelligent man knows that a tomato is a fruit. A wise man knows you don't put tomato in a fruit salad. Someone who's wise but not intelligent would be "book dumb", but amazing as far as practical knowledge goes.
"Universities are afraid to publicly debate Time Cube for fear of public embarrassment" This is the single thing we can all agree this person got right.
It's honestly my 'favorite' criticism when certain groups complain about a crackpot idea not being supported by universities and science publications. Confirmation via exclusion and all that.
I'd be embarrassed if I gave lunatics a platform. Then there's the news media, who give all kinds of scum the means to spread hate speech masquerading as free speech.
@@VaultTecc How so? The expectation is that adults act like adults. It's not the university's fault if a group of their students want to act like childish morons. It doesn't reflect on the education programs in the slightest.
@@VaultTecc Furthermore, all of these groups usually have a faculty advisor. But, that advisor is operates in a more "hands off" fashion. If the students misrepresented what the invited speaker was speaking about, it's not the advisor's fault. It's not hard to do. I've seen it done by some idiot fraternities. 🙄
I'm old enough to have been a programmer in Silicon Valley when Time Cube first appeared, and while I'm sure there were some who trolled Gene Ray the general attitude most people took with him was akin to how Norton I, Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico was received in his era. There are certain times and places where the mad but harmless eccentric is embraced by the community and at least with regards to the MIT lecture those students weren't mocking him so much as celebrating an eccentric character who fearlessly challenged the established wisdom motivated by his deep certainty in the truth of his belief. Gene Ray was for many the Don Quixote of the Internet.
A condition must interfere with normal life to be a disability, and it is therefore relative to what a normal life is. When curative measures aren't feasible, I'm surprised how vehemently opposed some people can be to just letting be. All people did by entertaining time cube (with healthy separation in their own minds between it and reality) was make a troubled person happy, and I think we ought to look at these cases as success stories. Not everybody can be saved, but everybody can be helped.
TheOwneroftheIC Yes, by combining TempleOS with the Time Cube, they shall complete each other and become one, as shall all of humanity. From then, Rei shall become a giant woman and bring about a new beginning for humanity
It sounds like a cut scene where Arthur meets the Lady of the Lake again and she's a fish head with legs. And the mud harvesting peasants show up to argue with her.
Technically we evolved from fish which currently have no cladistic grouping because that would include any descendants which would include us as well. Should we attempt to have a proper biological classification for fish, we would be fish and that would include the other person's father. However, his reasoning is likely very different and based on flawed logic, so he was only accidentally correct.
I would have thought for sure that Richard was messing with Gene the whole time. It was very surprising to learn how incredibly and tragically sincere he was in his belief of the Time Cube stuff.
Considering they say there was a lot more to his life beyond this stuff, I still don't entirely believe he was sincere. The depression and neo-nazi stuff sounds a lot more serious and the timing might've just been coincidence.
@@SleepyAdamit’s difficult to say both of them clearly suffered mental issues maybe they both interceded at the same time for some reason who knows lol
@@apt_get that's a lot of confidence based on absolutely zero evidence. The guy could have just been socially awkward, that's why he speaks like that. Also for Americans his "yeah" might sound really sarcastic, but for an aussie that's just normal way of talking. To me he seemed like he actually believed it. I mean, you have to truly and passionately believe in it to travel half way across the planet for an interview. Somehow I doubt a school kid who hardly has any disposable income would go this far just to troll somebody. And him taking his life when Gene got hostile would be one hell of a coincidence.
While this story is sad, did anyone else notice how decent Ray was with technology? Like he could scan images, make a website (which implies he knew enough HTML) and all that. Like, wow. Teachers in 2018 can't even get rid of the pointer from the projector screen
Just because someone is willing to throw their life away doesn't mean they were/are useless. The world was just too harsh and confusing a place for them to see enough hope in the future to fight off their demons.
There's an odd phenomenon regarding old internet and tech literacy. Lot's of adults were tech literate at the time and for some reason or another their ability just vanished over time. You see lots of people talking about their tech literate parents in the 90's, how they were capable of x,y,z and then fast forward to present day they are so incompetent they can't even do basic shit like copying files. People say old age but I doubt that.
That’s because it’s word salad. They’re all words but together they don’t make a coherent sentence. An unfortunate symptom of whatever disorders he was battling.
This story reminds me an experience I had when I was in college. I worked at a local sandwich shop and this older gentlemen would come every day (sometimes multiple times a day), and talk to me. Over time, he got comfortable enough with me to share things about his life. He was somewhat obsessed with a system he created for mathematically being able to discern people's personality based on the construction of their faces. He would talk about it excitedly, if not a little frantically, until his own thoughts would fail him and he would shrink away. It felt like one of those things that he was really sure of, but he just couldn't communicate it. He would randomly pop in the deli with magazines of peoples faces and hold it up against mine. "You're a peak!" he would explain. He had also characterized the different personality types humans could have based on geographical land forms. He was somewhat of a sentimental man, and was very warm. I learned that he was actually living in the local retirement home, and in his younger days had been a physicist at a very well known laboratory. I can't remember if he had any family, but he definitely had a few friends in the neighborhood (fellow shop owners/workers who he had sort of charmed). He wasn't an egotist like Gene Ray, but he definitely felt like he was holding some deep truth about existence that no one else could understand. I always humored him, but took more interest in him than his theories (which he warmed up to). I don't know what ever happened to him, but I do know that his health was deteriorating by the time I left. Looking back, I am happy that the community really took care of him, and I'll never forget all the eccentricity, and strangeness he brought to the world.
Do you know face construction and personality thing is real theory in East asian culture? Basically Read people's face and predict their future and personality. Korean movie 'The face reader' is about it.
The funniest thing is the concept isn't even totally pseudoscience, though his particular method of analysis may have been. Other scientists have written about the concept such as www.amazon.com/Judge-People-What-They-Look/dp/1977067972 It's something of a tragedy that bright people have in their later years a spark leading to a revelation, but they run out of steam before they can approach anything truly conclusive.
Sucks to have people 100% discredit your idea from old age and whatnot. There is a bit a truth in everything. It could be a case that it really was something he did but was hard to place into words. No one bothers looking into the subject until decades later where "scientists discovers that smiling uses certain muscles slowly changing the face over time in structure, as does frowning".
To be fair, -1 x -1 = 1 doesn't make sense, either. It's an arbitrary convention employed to make math work. Same with the primality of 1. Actually, 1 is kind of a strange number in general.
DeViNoDe then ultimately killed himself after that man turned his back on him. I feel bad. He needed help alot of it. And instead he met a man that only amplified his problems and proved to be the catalyst to his suicide. Unfortunate.
not trying to be funny saying this but, after the part where he was picked up I was waiting for the story to turn real dark. then he entered the shed and I was like "Oh shit, better get ready to pause this thing". last thing I needed before I go to bed.
the Australian kid sounds so unimpressed and uncomfortable the whole time he's talking to ray in person. like he realized "oh wait, this man is insane."
I'm not an expert, and theorizing about someone's mental state over the Internet is dangerous, but I do know that a flat affect can be a symptom of schizophrenia
When lecturing at Universities, he thought he was lecturing to Physics and Engineering students who came to learn about Time Cube. Instead it was an auditorium full of Psych Students who came to study his thought process and learn about Schizophrenia.
@@TheArtis4n Did you ever spend time in a school? It's what kids do. Hopefully they can be more professional once they have their degrees in a few years, but kids interact with life in a joking, if not a mocking and aggressive way because they're unsure of themselves and don't want to appear that way. Bravado is the easiest way to mitigate that.
having a schizophrenic father who i've watched spiral downwards makes so many of the down the rabbit hole videos so saddening to watch... not nearly as upsetting as templeos, but the amount of people who egged gene on, warping his perception of how he's seen and laughing behind his back, and then there's the fact that gene had adult kids and grandkids that probably had to watch him spiral down too just... really bums me out honestly.
I bet if you subtracted the crazy you'd be left with a fairly clever guy. Not that it's a perfect indicator, but I don't think I saw a single misspelled word on the timecube site. Granted, he could have used an early spellcheck.
Rewatching this and it really hit me how young Richard was when he passed, he wasn't even 22 yet. It sucks that Gene Ray was so apparently callous about Richard, but I truly don't think he was able to realize how big of an impact he had on Richard.
Mentally he reminds me a lot of Terry A Davis, the creator of TempleOS. An old schizophrenic who latched onto a nonsensical project they're devoted their life to, slowly become more volatile and angry.
it unironically is and im freaking out over this, the number 4 is appearing everywhere i look especially in years. 2012 - disaster year, 2016 - disaster year, 2020 - disaster year, if some crazy shit happens in 2024 im gonna go fucking insane
@@emperortgp2424 2012 - supposed end of the world and massive freakouts, 2016 - us presidential election and massive freakouts. the years themselves werent nearly as bad as the reaction of the general public to them
@@emperortgp2424 in a way yeah but the general public perceived them as that. if something similar happens in 2024 (probably something related either to the current situation with ukraine or to a new strain of corona or whatever) i would not be surprised but i would definetely feel validated in my pattern recognition skills lmao
This kind of content is the reason RUclips was originally founded, such a shame it has been lost behind corporate child advertisement. It's so few and far between to find videos like this but when you do it's so refreshing. I hope you continue this series for a long time to come.
@@WhaleManMan This is mostly true because videos were limited to 15 mins for the longest time, but people would just make parts to it. But yeah by far what you said was the majority content but I'm talking about why it was founded, not "Old RUclips" in general
Considering his schizophrenia mental disease he wasnt really even in the right mind to begin with. Its probably him not even realizing what he's doing or his ailment was disrupting any form of judgement he could have even had.
He seemed to believe that Richard J. had betrayed him first, and while Gene may have been completely out of his mind in many other ways -- that doesn't necessarily mean he was wrong on that one point, especially given that Richard was so troubled according to his friends. Or as other have said, maybe the so-called "betrayal" was actually yet another of Gene's delusions. But since Gene was never clear (unsurprisingly) about his schism with Richard and both parties are now dead, we'll never really know the truth.
I hardly think that's fair when literally hundreds of people seemed to make it their mission to destroy his ability to trust, blur his sense of reality, and turn him into a massive public spectacle with the intent of mocking his mental illness. You think HE'S disgraceful? I'm not saying the internet's responsibility was to get him help, but when people are actively trying to confuse, mislead, and humiliate a mentally ill old man, I hardly think him acting out of paranoia is inexcusable. He clearly didn't know what was real anymore and couldn't help that. It's disgusting that people think the trolling is justifiable but his confused actions are inexcusable.
In a psych class, we once spoke about a study where 3 people who all had Messiah complexes were forced to interact for a while. All of them believed they were God incarnate, and in direct interaction they were all polite to one another. When separated, however, they all spoke about how crazy the others were, and pointed to the exact symptoms they themselves were portraying as evidence of the others being nuts. While incapable of expressing doubt in their personal delusion, most delusional people still recognize it in others, and if the descriptions of his follower were correct, he was also pretty delusional. Such a sad fate.
I remember my own long gone grandfather who believed in fringe bible and historical conspiracies written in a book he claims to have the title "Mater de Golgotha." I really loved listening to him talk about those things passionately, it's like an alternate history fiction podcast.
Printed this website during science class in highschool back in 2002. Teacher was so fucking pissed, but didn't know how to tell which pc was doing the printing.
"Your father was a fish." Seriously though. These are all sad stories and the Time Cube is no exception. I can't help but just see an old man suffering from some fashion of mental illness, and then a similarly wounded young man getting lost in these delusions. Committing suicide when his hero insulted him, then Rey just becoming fully (if he ever wasn't) incomprehensible. That all said, I still have no clue what the Time Cube is.
Hero of Trains thought he was taking the piss out of the old man but didn't expect Janczarski to take his own life. What a bitter end to a weird story.
The saddest part about the footage released onto youtube is you can kind of hear the dawning and crushing realisation that he is in no way on the same wavelength with the only person in the world he thought he connected to.
Richard's death really, truly shocked me. Right up to that point I assumed he was someone just really interested in Gene's thought processes and was just really dedicated to learn about how his mind worked. Really sad.
The same thing happened in the TempleOS video -- when those guys would talk to Davis about programming, he became lucid and could hold conversations, but when he went back to talking about his delusions he became incoherent again
I have a feeling this all started when he once said that a cube has 4 corners, someone corrected him, and he was too embarrassed to admit he was wrong. Thus, TimeCube.
@@CreepercrapTV by whom? The psychiatrist that diagnosed him without even meeting him or were he wasn't his patient? Oh, okay! That's called making an assumption and doesn't qualify for diagnosis even a bit. Dude wasn't schizophrenic. He was in touch with reality which a schizophrenic wouldn't be or know what is even real
@@pilotwhaleproductions5880 bahahaha what makes you say that lmao. Do you take lightness of schizophrenia as a diagnosis or? The matter of it is that you shouldn't label people and this is standard practise of professional psychiatrist never make diagnosis in this manner. You can see a difference between this person and temple os which was a real schizophrenic
I was thinking about the granddaughter, and how it was strange she stopped by right as Time Cube got home with Time Cube Jr., and then it dawned on me that she was probably just checking up on him, making sure he was safe. He did invite a 20 year old complete stranger from Australia to stay with him. He must have told his family about the visit beforehand. Can you imagine what they thought when he told them all that? Good on her for making sure he's safe, if that's how it all went down. R.I.P. Ray and Richard. Especially Richard. That young dude breaks my heart. I mean, he made that trip ALONE, all by himself. He must've been a really sad young dude. Poor guy.
It reminds you people with mental illness like this are no different than you or me. They live, laugh, have loved ones. I love someone with biploar disorder, and I know her being in my life won't be always easy and sometimes there are no right answers. I first saw this video during a tough time in her life and it struck something with me.
@@CrashBoomBang78 again, I would totally agree but schizophrenia warps thoughts and actions so much that irrational or antisocial behavior is very common (terry davis was famous for his slur usage). If he died marching at charlottesville with a tiki torch than I wouldnt be so sympathetic but he killed himself in his early 20s, which to me is more sad than anything
First half had me laughing. Second made me come to the realization that this is a story of tragedy possible only in our era. This is a tragedy of our time³.
That MIT meeting was really important to him. I am glad nobody was too mean to him so it could be a positive memory as opposed to feeling made fun of. I was concerned for him in that part of the video, but he wears his MIT hat a lot, so I think he liked it.
@@Adam-ni6ne You mean except for that one guy who he denounced and drove into offing himself? To begin with i do not think "he didnt really hurt anyone" is applicable to someone who is suffering from a god complex. Whoever comes close to such people in any shape or form will get nothing, NOTHING but abuse. Richard is prime example this. Gave him the last push next to the rails and he didnt give a single _ enough to as much as remove his accusations from his site. No m8. People like these are objectively some of the worst type of sociopthic trash you can find among humanity.
@@nonusbusinissus5632 Besides the god complex it looks like he was schizophrenic so yea he did and said terrible things but it seems like the mental illness caused it
I agree with what Jacob said. You shouldn't reinforce delusion. He has this smug sense of superiority because he thinks no one else can see his delusions. He thinks hes the smartest man in the world and brags about it. Maybe he should have been taken down a peg or two.
"Youre like the fingers on your hand, youve got the baby, the child, the parent, the grandparent" ........Daddy Finger, Daddy Finger, where are you? Here I am, here I am, how do you do......
I went to uni with Richard. I remember him trying to talk to me about Time Cube at some point. At that time (2006) I had never heard of it and had no idea what it was, so I must have responded with disinterest. He got the message because he moved on and went to talk about it with other people instead.
I found it a cheerful moment. He had lived his life proactively, managing a job and wife, so he had a family who loved him into old age. Unlike many ppl with severe mental health issues who tragically dont get that chance.
These videos always make me feel horrible. I'm schizophrenic, and I'm forever grateful for how my friends are able to keep me grounded during bad periods. The way peopled egged him on is the exact opposite of what you should do to someone who's going through psychosis.
I feel for people with schizophrenia, but people like Gene Ray remind me that people are more than just their disability. And the way he does this is by being homophobic, biracialphobic and harming those who actively try to support him. I won't judge him for his theories, but rather what he does with his beliefs, and the same goes for everyone. It is good to hear that you have people who actually support you. And I have to question if Gene Ray's family really supported him. Pretty sure they didn't if Gene Ray's mother disagreed with him over something so hypothetical.
I've found it's very hard for people who don't struggle with their mental health to empathize with people who do, which of course is true with most things in the world. People just don't understand what situations they don't have to go through are like. And instead of being nice and helpful, they find fun in other people's pain. And I feel like the comment above me @WillieManga is a good example for how people could justify acting this way. It's not hard to see there were strong homophobic, and racist themes in the things he said. Which is of course, terrible. But none of that really matters when talking about the way people treated him. It's not like they were having fun at the expense of his stupidity caused by bigotry. They were having fun at the expense of a person who clearly had no idea what was going on due to their struggles with mental health, and that's what matters. You can't justify the way they were acting just because he also said shitty things. The fact is, everyone would have acted the exact same way completely regardless of his other opinions, as shown by the other examples just on this RUclips channel. There are SO many example's of people being harassed online due to mental health, and it's just terrible with how popular these people get that there's no one there to help them. You really can't justify the way these people acted.
Schizoaffective here and no support from friends or family. Stories like Gene's here (and many, many others, online and IRL) just goes to show how random people will gladly take advantage of your illness just for their own fun :/
@@echofitworkhe's actually just been working on one longass video for a good few years now; it's about some sort of MMO or other online game I think and last I knew he said it's length would be approximately five hours
@@irisaferg2524that sounds ridiculous. A few years for one video? There are other channels that pump out hour long high quality videos every few months, best example i can come up with rn is whitelight who had an 8 hour review of death stranding. That took him like a few months to make. Id say personally that's a silly move. I get quality over quantity but at this point id rather eat a potato than die of starvation yk what i mean?
It's cool that this guy found work writing the Kingdom Hearts titles. "Kingdom Hearts: Simultaneous 4 Day Creation Over God" is probably my favorite spin off to date.
I may still have that DVD of his MIT debate. It was sold in a package for about $20: DVD, T-shirt, button, and I think a flyer. I still have (and wear) the t-shirt, maybe I'll dig through some boxes and upload it; never realized no one else had done this yet.
I love how he completely dismisses the thumb and big toe from the ends of the limbs. The four corners of a classroom is so telling - i've been sitting through the video wondering why the numbers 8, 6, 12 (vertices, faces, edges) haven't shown up more and now I'm starting to understand that this man doesn't understand the difference between a square and a cube.
Nah, it's because 2 of the "corners" are actually the poles of which the earth rotates around, so out of the 6 intersections between the earth and the 3 planes he mentioned, only 4 of them move relative to earth (or maybe it's the earth that moves? who fucking knows). And yeah, I realize I just tried to make sense of of timecube, but it is very late and I am very high
@cursed mailman nah I'm pretty sure he just doesn't understand geometry. He also objected to the idea of 3 spacial dimensions, citing the number of corners in a room. As if the numerology occupying those 3 dimensions has any bearing on them lol.
10:09 "You don't use sixteen because that demeans the value of four, what you actually have is four fours" I mean, eight is two fours, twelve is three fours, six is... Uhh... One four and a half of four, I reckon.
It's channels like these that really show the innovation of content creators on You Tube. Down the Rabbit Hole is better than any documentary series I've seen on TV, Cable or Netflix. Keep up the good work, Fred! You are an inspiration to artists like me, that we can produce content as good as and better than traditional media!
Everything Knudsen does feels like a documentary. I wouldn't mind hearing about the more obscure stuff with a professional team of editors, sound design, the whole thing. I can't count the amount of times I've actually felt something when finishing a video. The Collyer Brothers and Time Cube left me with a feeling of despair and sadness. Henry Darger left me feeling uneasy. Something about the way Fredrik does his videos always has some effect on me. Maybe my time cube is malfunctioning...
1111 -- its subject matter to.. A lot of Fredriks videos show off with something "light hearted" and slips into much more real themes later. Real people, with real lives, which can be similar to your own story.. Your mom's story.. Your best friend who you never seen from.. It's very down-to-earth for most of his content, with very few hiccups of exaggeration. All these situations are plausible, because they've already happened.. Least thats where I comes into "creepy" territory for me.. You know that these things can happen.. But have you *seen* them happen to people you know?
The "Five Finger Family" video could literally be summed up as "Channels aimed at toddlers and babies rehash a nursery rhyme dozens of times over to capitalizing on youtube's algorithm so that said children will click on videos and generate ad revenue. The weird comments from "adults" are children accidently leaving comments." and yet I was gripped the whole damn time, expecting some grand reveal or shocking twist and in the end was something rather mundane. It only goes to show Knudsen's great skill as a writer and editor.
I love how unenthusiastic the Australian guy is when he showed up to interview him. Its such a funny juxtaposition with how overly excited he acted in all his previous videos.
@@Hayseus712 Un4tunately for cubism, the revered number had no real meaning to begin with. Further down you'll find another comment pointing out that a cube has six sides, not four. 😃
@@Ooo0990 I feel like we can safely assume the young guy also struggled with schizophrenia. Yes, showing and expressing little emotion is very common for people with schizophrenia, but it's important to remember to not make assumptions about other people just because they have similar symptoms. "flat affect", or things very similar to it can happen in people for other reasons as well.
@@zthecat I don't have any experience with people with Schizophrenia, but to me his mannerisms really minded me of the way autism can manifest in some people. This kind of flat delivery and bluntness in social interactions, with peaks of interest and eccentricity when talking about his passions really reminded me of some of the folks I've known in my life. I'd never assume and press the condition on him, but it was an interesting mirror for reflection. It's part of why I've come back to this video over and over, ever since I first saw it uploaded in late 2017.
@@humbledaoist Yeah, I agree his mannerisms seemed like someone who is autistic. It's definitely possible he was autistic, and also struggled with schizophrenia. The way people in his life describe him changing, becoming progressively more detached so to say, and from what we saw of him in the video, it still makes me think he was experiencing some sort of psychosis. I've had a good amount of experience with both autism, and psychosis from other people, and from personal experience. But again, I could definitely be wrong. Different symptoms can show up in many different circumstances.
The sun has it's heat on the outside, that's masculinity. The Earth has it's heat on the inside that's femininity. That's actually quite an interesting observation. I guess you could say he's thinking outside the square.
That's just the classic Olympian vs Chtonic dichotomy people have been discussing for thousands of years. Freud wrote about it a lot, as did ancient Brahmins.
What you're seeing their is his malfunctioning brain making random tangential connections due to the nature of his mental illness. Its actually fascinating.
As cooky as the guy is, he’s one of the only old guys on the internet to have a young guy fly to him, pick him up, and not try to bang him. I’ll take that cool kind of crazy any day
It is a rather sad story, seemingly a trend with the Down the Rabbit Hole series, from this to Henry Darger, to the Collyer Brothers. It's all very interesting.
Turning a old man into an internet joke is heartbreaking. Your well researched and well thoughtout documentary hit me right in the feels. Thank you for looking into Gene Ray as a person and not as a joke. Keep up the awesome work. And also Richard story is just so hauntly sad . To hear a person be rejected by the man he so idolized is painful
I can't imagine traveling over 8,000 miles to meet someone that I wanted to emulate and have it fall apart like that. Just devastating. This is something I'd like to share with some of my psych field friends to see some of their perspectives.
People like gene ray don’t deserve the luxury to breathe. Anyone that feels bad for this person is just wasting their feelings on someone who doesn’t deserve pity.
In geometry, what we commonly call a corner in a room is actually a vertix, where three or more faces meet, a corner is where two faces meet Cubes have 8 vertices, 12 corners and 6 faces. What's even funnier is that he is actually describing two conjoined pyramids. That's an octahedron, which has 12 corners, 6 vertices and 8 faces.
this is at the same time funny and super fucking sad, ray clearly had schizofrenia or another types of dellusion and deserved treatment. You are one of the few channels who talk respectfully of people like that no matter how crazy their ideas are, thanks for that
Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's Schizophrenia he's got. Or some cocktail of disorders. I was trying to take him seriously and wrap my mind around his disjointed ideas until I heard him talk. It was funny until then. Though now I'm worried about the state of MIT. That was some highschool prom Carry shit they were pulling on that poor man. If these supposedly intelligent people got into a room with that man and didn't realize he's got a mental illness, and instead decided to have a laugh at his expense, then I worry for us all.
Apart from his diagnosed schizophrenia I'm pretty sure he had an early to medium stage of dementia, the way he struggles with sentences sometimes, seeming to lose his words. I worked with dementia patients for a whole year and this is a really typical symptom of dementia.
That assessment would explain why his life was otherwise comfortable and clean. He has good family connections, he's not homeless, and is otherwise very functional. Other than his crazy ramblings, his only maladies seem to be his age. Schizophrenia isn't a diagnosis that happens near in old age, it's a life-long illness normally diagnosed in late teens (although it can be as late as 30.) He probably was correctly treated for a long time until he either stopped taking medication or the medication no longer worked on his deteriorating brain.
Not surprising since schizophrenia either is, or wears the trappings of, a neurodegenerative disease. Kraepelin described it as such (dementia, that is) after noticing in autopsies that advanced schizophrenia patients had reduced grey/white matter volume and large vacuoles in their brains, which is corroborated by modern MRI imaging of advanced schizophrenia patients; and by time lapse imaging of schizophrenics. It's an open question whether schizophrenia can be halted by taking medication, or whether it simply advances slower, but if you don't take your lithium you end up like this guy at the end. Then again, perhaps you will still end up like Terry/Gene at the end, if you live long enough, but that would require time lapsed MRIs of medicated patients over multiple decades, with no gaps in medication, to see if the vacuoles in the brain expand or not. Then you have to rule out other things, like general aging and the shrinking of the grey/white matter that comes with it, or other neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's. Very insidious disease. Like an extremely slow moving form of Alzheimer's, but at least Alzheimer's (usually) has the common courtesy to only show up in your mid-70s or early 80s.
Every once in a while I come back to your channel to rewatch your videos and no matter how many times I've seen them already, your storytelling always manages to enthral me :) I swear you're the best at making this type of vids
When you were talking about how Janczarsky committed suicide I was waiting for a "but then it turned out it was just a joke" but it just never came, it made my heart sink a bit when you showed his grave.
It's so depressing watching how Ray seems to want to fight with Richard during all the videos. Like the por kid just wanted to talk time cube and Ray just couldnt get out of his instinct that people disagreed with him.
Didn't think this would end in suicide for his one believer. I hopes he's resting easy now. Must suck to find someone to connect to, then be publicly shamed and tossed aside
My uncle is also schizophrenic and he once told me that the earth is a pyramid that we live on top of and that my science and geography teachers were lying to me. It's truly sad to see these similarities and I can only pray that he doesn't die the way Gene did, alone in a lie of his own making.
I normally find the saying "Ignorance is bliss" to basically always be bullshit rhetoric. But in this case, I would say that your correct. This man believing the absurdities he was writing online to be "undeniable gospel of an enlightened being" and that people were behind him, proved to be beneficial. If he was ever able to be truly convinced that he was a madman with a mental illness, and all his fans were mocking the circus he had created, it would have destroyed his soul.
Gene sounds like me when I had an hour left to write a lit paper - frantically grasping at any connections I could make to deeper themes but making literally no sense because I probably never even had the time to read the book anyway (in all seriousness though this is really sad I wish we had better support systems for people like him)
You can't disprove a theory if no one can understand it. Smart
*taps forehead*
It's more brilliant than that: Time Cube is essentially a perspective, not a statement of fact. And you can't disprove a perspective exists.
that's deep, man...
His theory made more sense than an average Game Theory episode, so I'll give him that much.
You also can't disprove a theory that's not a theory. Super smart.
Why does “Did you know that your father was a fish” sound so much like a line straight out of something like Monty Python
Literally. I can even imagine them saying it.
I mean, your mother was a hamster.
@@StarboyXL9 Your mother was a hamster and your father smells of elderberries.
oOh fishie fishie fishie fish...went, wherever I, did gOo.
@@MonkeyKex Eyyyy!
Someone remembers that fever dream from The Meaning of Life! 😂
This guy just leaked the final level of Scientology
I can follow the plot of Scientology, I'm having trouble wrapping my head around this story.
EXbob Scientology makes sense if you squint one eye and tilt your head. Time cube doesn’t make sense no matter how you look at it, even with LSD involved.
@@EXbobomb ofc your cant wrap your head around it. It's spherical while his theory is -you guessed it- quadratic with corners in its nature.
...My own shitposting confuses me to no end this time xD
I think even Scientology wants a decent distance to his bullshit..
@@yeenmachine206 that's because you need DMT to understand time cube
I love the excitement in his voice; "My father was a fish?! No, please, explain!"
like even though you know the guy's gonna say something crazy you want to hear it
A microbe-sperm fish, infact.
Imagine my shock when the convo did not instantly turn to cladistics...
@@BigBoobsMcGooIMAGINE MY SHOCK
"Hey, lemme ask you another question, did you know your father was a fish?"
"Yea."
Shit.
that means Seaman is real.
True, when fetus develops, at certain stage has appearance similar of a undeveloped fish fetus.
MJ Red my father was a toucan
(Yeah.)
How many takes did you go through trying to read of all this nonsense verbatim and not bust out laughing?
Fredrik Knudsen (myeah)
(mmhmm)
y e a h
(yeah.)
"i'm biracial"
"yOU ARE WHAT?!"
i lost my shit
"I'm Biracial"
ERROR: GENE RAY.EXE HAS CRASHED
That's why his name is Logic lol
I am actually curious how Biracial people fit into the Time Cube theory.
Likewise Dove, I am also curious about how Pacific Islanders, Hispanics, Aboriginal Australians, Arabs, Turks, Persians and Caucasus Peoples also fit within the Time Cube.
+DragonMastrNova It always irks me when someone has a really good question and it's never answered.
It's kinda sad, because it probably started out with just a quip that "Hey, it's midday here but midnight on the other side of the world, if you think about it, it's lie 2 days at once" and Gene probably thought it was world changing news.
That's often how delusions originate, as the kind of silly or speculative thoughts we randomly have, only they then take a life of their own.
A logical conclusion to this reasoning is that there are actually an infinite number of days on Earth happening simultaneously (assuming sunlight has infinitesimal width, which it doesn't but w/e). Or rather 6.378 x 10^41 days happening simultaneously, since that's the radius of the Earth in Planck lengths, and therefore the largest number of segments you can divide the equator into with each segment still having any sort of meaningful distance.
"Explanation" for this claim. You can take the full sphere of the Earth, and divide it into two equal sectors, one centered on wherever midday is, and the other centered on wherever midnight is. That gives you two simultaneous "days". You can instead divide the sphere into 4 equal sectors, centered on midday, midnight, sundown, and sunup, resulting in the time cubes 4 days. But why stop there? Why not consider each time zone (assume time zones are regularly spaced and actually make sense here) and it's +/- 12 hour counterpart as their own pair of sectors and day/anti-day pair, producing 24 simultaneous days? Why even stop there? Why not arbitrarily divide each time zone into smaller and smaller longitudinal slices, creating more and more sectors and days? Mathematically, you can do it infinitely, creating an infinite number of infinitesimal width sectors, and therefore an infinite number of days. In reality though, the Planck length is the smallest meaningful distance, and so the smallest meaningful width you can make these sectors. As such, there is a sort of hard limit imposed on the number of simultaneous days.
In other words, fuck the time cube, the time sphere is where it's at.
@@lorscarbonferrite6964 Sounds pretty South American to me
He dropped LSD and discovered time zones.
you might be the closest time-cube scholar to understanding gene's theory.
"God evolves from Santa"
That's four words I thought I would never see together
Duh! Santa is an anagram of Satan. You really don't seem to understand the concept of Timecube do you?
@Draugr Haha, you were in the other thread about the escalator to Heaven, talking something about rape in Swedish psychiatric hospitals being a therapy. Read my story on that one that I just typed, is quite amusing, but it was true, yes.
Use the phrase as a password then. But not that one of course.
@Draugr It was further down the page, Charlotte Markowski's comment. But I said that this happened to me:
FAST N BULBOUS
1 week ago
I was unfairly sent to psychiatric hospital a few years ago due to my lottery debacle story where I'm left to sound delusional when I am not. I can attest that there are indeed people inside that are like this. Was even this one guy (Wanky Shit Demon) who would shit himself often and jerk off in the dining hall area during lunch. And this frightful woman I met who blatantly stole my e-cigarette by sticking it inside her vagina before being transferred to her new destination, I just know it. It just vanished after I gave her it to smoke on for a bit before leaving. Her fingers were so yellow. Complete beast.
God only evolves from Santa if you trade Santa holding a bible.
Missed opportunity to make this vid 44:44 long
4 4s
14 seconds cubed
Yes but surely you can see that 45:24 is meant to imply 45-24 which is 21. Obviously 21 is just 7x3. What is 7-3??? FOUR. If you can grasp this you will truly understand the majesty of the time cube.
Ya got 420 likes to ur comment ;)
@Kyle Hohn your dog is adorable asf
It’s kind of ironic that he treated people who mocked him better than the one person who actually believed his theory
He seemed surprisingly friendly and well-adjusted in the videos we see, his ramblings aside. Either something really bad happened off-camera, or like many people Gene transformed into something else when he went online.
Trackers89 if he was schizophrenic, it does explain the sudden change.
Also the site and time cube might be his way of self treating the disorganised thoughts/delusions, with out him acknowledgeing that what he had.
Plus it looks like he had a good social outlet / people looking out for him, which could explain why he seems so well adjusted
Throughout the story you saw that Gene had a very big ego, constantly claiming superiority to everyone else and giving himself titles like doctor. I think Time Cube was less of a scientific theory and more of a way for him to inflate his own ego, for whatever reason. Whenever CubeHead came along, garnering attention and creating his own site, Gene saw it as a threat, as it detracted attention away from him. That's why he talked to CubeHead and made him put that disclaimer. To make sure the site pointed to Gene himself, instead of the concept of the time cube.
It's a lot like how the director of the cult bad movie Troll 2 preferred the mocking of people who were laughing at him and not with him. Being a laughingstock gets him work at midnight showings in indie cinemas, conventions, etc.
I strongly doubt that other guy actually believed his theory. Seems more like he was just trying to make a name for himself and get Internet Famous by riding the coattails of the original Time Cube Guy (tm).
As sad as this is, I'll never not lose my shit at Gene responding with "You're what?!" to the existence of biracial people
Same. Every time I watch this video I forget about that part, and it gets me EVERY time.
@@AnimatedStoriesWorldwide ???????????????
@@AnimatedStoriesWorldwide Wow what kind of frustrations are you repressing/imposing?
What's so weird about taking humor in a racist being so befuddled by biracial people? Why are you so ready to attack and insult when racism is part of the subject lol?
@@AnimatedStoriesWorldwide take your meds
Lmao. The audacity of that person to be born out of 2 races
Galileo: *shunned and humiliated*
Ray: *applauded by a room full of MIT students*
@Draugr Have no fear, this is the working of Entropy. Everything proceeds to chaos, and boy are we ever proceeding.
Fun Fact: The reason Galileo was shunned by the Church wasn't due to his theory of the earth revolving around the sun but rather some cursitory remarks about the current Pope at the time.
It'd be a bit like the a college teacher writing their paper for tenure and making some tangents in the paper about the college president and how the people on the peer review all look like a bunch of dumbasses. Do you think that teacher is getting approved?
Your only correct if everyone hates you
@@t.r2603. True, but the lesson is about the hipocrisy of several institutions *inside* the Church (at the time, duh) that aimed to share this new knowledge about Nature but in reality only managed to support the status quo of ignorant masses afraid of new ideas. I hope the contrast with your simile is nnotable enough to enter some books right now
Galileo wasn't special relatively speaking. Darwin on the other and
Gene Ray: I-
Cubehead: *Yeah*
it was really rude. i wasn't surprised that gene got mad.
yeah wtf that dude was weird
Yeah
@Oniplus Wrong. I know plenty of Aussies who do the "Yeah" thing as soon as anyone starts a sentence.
@@Skindoggiedog yeah
"Did you know your Dad was a fish?"
"No please explain."
Chris Taylor Best reaction of all time. 😄
And? What else? Did you forget to add something?
The video already said exactly what you quoted we can watch it again if we need a reminder.
Jesus fart ballz christ you got almost 600 likes for that?!!! This world's gonna burn, people are getting too stupid
Ray had a pretty big family, with children, grandchildren and even great-grandchildren apparently. He seemed to have had a rather fulfilling life and was probably loved until the end despite being a nutcase.
Richard, on the other hand, seemed to be just a really troubled person overall. His interactions with Ray were horribly awkward to watch. it's a shame what happened to him.
Maybe he wasn't crazy his whole life. It's at least possible to develop psychosis in your later years; if I'm not mistaken it can be a symptom of dementia.
@@marmotsrulepwned I'd buy it. Friend's uncle was a very friendly person up till he reached roughly 60 or 70 years. Guy quickly lost his marbles and was basically a different person. Sad shit that was.
@@chaosinc.382 he lost the marbles he wrote a book about
I remember watching Richard's program and was convinced it was satire. Talking about a 'cubeless conspiracy' delaying his flight, running up to the camera to talk about Steve Erwin and the Supreme Number 4...I thought he was into some serious Andy Kaufman method shit. But nope, he was genuine.
@@MelancoliaI That's what is odd about him. The videos are so obviously comedic in tone but he's simultaneously totally serious about the contents. It almost anticipates the kind of meta-ironic stuff we see today. Maybe it's an Australian thing, idk
"I'm biracial"
No, you're race squared.
The Joeggernaut or maybe even.... Race cubed?
Only two races? I think you mean four
That wouldn't mean biracial, squared means to be multiplied by itself so 3 squared means 3•3 so to be racially squared means it would only be one race
@@VBYTP no it's 4x4 (not to be confused with 16)
@@wjjgtin5074 A person consists of two elements, which combines into 4 later in life. To be biracial, or race squared, would imply that a person can be perfect on its own, which explains Gene Ray's confusion: a full bright-side is supposed to be unstable.
"...as he was the only one able to comprehend the Timecube."
I mean, he's right on that part, at least.
fash ticos I comprehended it just fine. It’s basically a bunch of dualistic/platonic/deuteronumerological mumbo jumbo🤪
has anyone yet made the joke that gene lost his marbles
@@rocketsummer One of the people at the MIT lecture did, actually.
@@rocketsummer He lost it while walking in the Timecube. When the four corners converge and the eight cardinal directions center, the Timecube will appear and he'll get his marbles back.
They thought he was crazy, but he was really seeing the earths hit box. We are truely in a simulation
Oh god oh fuck I hope he doesn't noscope Earth
Noice
You can never see more than 4 corners in the sky at once. Checkmate, Humanity.
He actually noclipped out and a saw the skybox
Imagine if the earth had 1hp left and you just slap the earth and it just fucking disappears
“God is cornered as a queer” in all caps, italicized, and underlined, is one of the funniest things I have ever seen and read
I find the blasphemy more sad than anything because he's sending himself to hell.
@@Noone-mo4dr no hes right
@@Noone-mo4dr low effort bait
@@Phoenix0F8 true, but don't you think we're becoming desensitized to reality through irony?
@@Noone-mo4dryou sound like a different flavor of the time cube guy rn
I love how the Australian kid is in total shell shocked when he gets to the house. he's so enthusiastic in his videos but all he can say is yeah once he gets face to face with the man
He was clearly trolling
@@farcenter and then he couldnt take it and killed himself
Danny Peters i really don’t think he was trolling bro. I doubt it was coincidental that he committed suicide so soon after being denounced by Gene Ray. Furthermore, the posts about his death allude to him having mental health issues. I suspect he was just a troubled, introverted young man who was trying to find truth and meaning in the world. It’s really quite sad. It also made me sad seeing that snippet of Gene’s granddaughter visiting him, you can tell there was some age-related dementia twisting his thought process.
No, that's the kid's personality.
It's either one of two things in my opinion:
1) The kid was trolling hard af (kinda seemed like it in the videos tbh) and then reality hit him like a brick wall when he actually arrived and met the guy.
2) He legit completely believed every single thing this guy said (which is also equally viable considering the whole story) and when he arrived, he realised the concept he put so much belief into was really complete wank coming from an old man... And he felt awkward as fuck.
This feels like a Lovecraftian character driven mad by "impossible geometry". There's Non-Euclidean, and then there's Time Cube.
That sounds like something Lovecraft would have done!
Trying to understand shapes in higher dimensions (like 4D, 5D, 6D shapes etc) is pretty much that. No human can really comprehend it. You can't imagine a 4D cube. You can't even draw a 4D cube. You can only understand it with maths. We can use maths to determine properties of higher dimensional objects but we'll never be able to actually see one of them. And trying to imagine one for decades would probably drive you mad. Plenty of mathematicians went mad. Georg Cantor, Ludwig Boltzmann, Kurt Gödel are all mathematicians who went mad because of maths.
Meanwhile here I am, literally have diagnosed schizophrenia, and I have none of the secret super powers. I'm pretty terrible at arithmetic.
I was thinking that too. Sounds like a fantasy-science for an anime like the Human Instrumentality Program from Evangelion.
@@duffman18 a beautiful mind sucked anyways
I find it funny the emphasis on non-euclidean geometry in some of Lovecraft's work. Literally all it is is just spheres and shit
I used to work in a small independent movie theater back in college. We had a regular customer that came in once a week who we named Vietnam John. John was a very eccentric old man. He normally worry black tights/yoga pants, a neon yellow athletic shirt and a large fur coat. He was missing most of his teeth and had long hair that was dyed black and kept in a pony tail. He loved flashlights, and always had a collection of pen lights to show off. Despite being on the kooky side, he always came off seeming intelligent. I got the impression that John spent every day reading anything he could. He had an amazing ability to recall things he had read, but little filter in what he read or absorbed from it. He was just as likely to talk to you about physics as he was about the illuminati. Gene Ray sounds and talks just like John, and cube time sounds like something John would talk about. Maybe he's just a different independent theater's Vietnam John that just happened to get famous.
Down the Rabbit Hole Vietnam John edition when?
Why was he called that?
Moving Parts Gaming Sounds like aspergers
The aussie guy gets more and more disheartened as he talked to him.
I think he met his hero and he wasn't what he'd expected 😅
yeah. yeah. oh. yeah.
Never meet your heroes
@@adambutler1513 Which is especially baffling since his hero acted exactly like he did online. This isn't like, you meet the actor of your favorite childhood TV show and it turns out they're a douchebag. Gene acted the same. I don't know why Richard expected him to not act as he did.
To me, it seems like he was slowly realizing just how alone and insane they both are for pursuing this completely nonsensical philosophy. Its like the aussie was understanding that he was staring into his future.
Someone said “be there or be square” to him and he didn’t show up
Goddamnit.
Because he's in a higher dimension. Try saying "be there or be cubed" and see what happens.
this is a supremely underrated comment
Twice.
@@ShadowWizard123 Motherfucker waddles in as Minecraft Steve, and everyone gasps in shock.
i love how the moment the two wisest men on earth meet for the first time they can just barely hold a real conversation
When you dump everything into Wisdom, but your INT and CHA is still low.
Yeah.
(Yeah.)
@@ButtersTheGreat1 I always asked myself how you can be wise but not intelligent in an RPG, like you know stuff but you can't express it?
@@blackblackstatic Think of intelligence as book smarts and wisdom as street smarts.
An intelligent man knows that a tomato is a fruit. A wise man knows you don't put tomato in a fruit salad.
Someone who's wise but not intelligent would be "book dumb", but amazing as far as practical knowledge goes.
"Universities are afraid to publicly debate Time Cube for fear of public embarrassment"
This is the single thing we can all agree this person got right.
It's honestly my 'favorite' criticism when certain groups complain about a crackpot idea not being supported by universities and science publications. Confirmation via exclusion and all that.
@M R The students organized the talk, not the faculty.
I'd be embarrassed if I gave lunatics a platform.
Then there's the news media, who give all kinds of scum the means to spread hate speech masquerading as free speech.
@@VaultTecc How so? The expectation is that adults act like adults. It's not the university's fault if a group of their students want to act like childish morons. It doesn't reflect on the education programs in the slightest.
@@VaultTecc Furthermore, all of these groups usually have a faculty advisor. But, that advisor is operates in a more "hands off" fashion. If the students misrepresented what the invited speaker was speaking about, it's not the advisor's fault. It's not hard to do. I've seen it done by some idiot fraternities. 🙄
I'm old enough to have been a programmer in Silicon Valley when Time Cube first appeared, and while I'm sure there were some who trolled Gene Ray the general attitude most people took with him was akin to how Norton I, Emperor of the United States and Protector of Mexico was received in his era. There are certain times and places where the mad but harmless eccentric is embraced by the community and at least with regards to the MIT lecture those students weren't mocking him so much as celebrating an eccentric character who fearlessly challenged the established wisdom motivated by his deep certainty in the truth of his belief.
Gene Ray was for many the Don Quixote of the Internet.
Very well put this was exactly my thought
❤👏
"She.....was a HOOOOKER!"
A condition must interfere with normal life to be a disability, and it is therefore relative to what a normal life is. When curative measures aren't feasible, I'm surprised how vehemently opposed some people can be to just letting be. All people did by entertaining time cube (with healthy separation in their own minds between it and reality) was make a troubled person happy, and I think we ought to look at these cases as success stories. Not everybody can be saved, but everybody can be helped.
His views were racist and homophobic, so not sure how "harmless" he was.
Just feed this data into TempleOS and watch creation implode.
It just occurred to me that now you've done an episode on TempleOS.
Well... the universe had a good run.
Is that how we achieve Instrumentality?
TheOwneroftheIC Yes, by combining TempleOS with the Time Cube, they shall complete each other and become one, as shall all of humanity. From then, Rei shall become a giant woman and bring about a new beginning for humanity
@@aaronlandry3934 Fry me to the moon
KABUTOMUSHI
"Did you know your father was a fish?" "No. Please explain."
Ok, this is dipping into Monty Python absurdism now...
It sounds like a cut scene where Arthur meets the Lady of the Lake again and she's a fish head with legs. And the mud harvesting peasants show up to argue with her.
Technically we evolved from fish which currently have no cladistic grouping because that would include any descendants which would include us as well.
Should we attempt to have a proper biological classification for fish, we would be fish and that would include the other person's father.
However, his reasoning is likely very different and based on flawed logic, so he was only accidentally correct.
@@OtakuUnitedStudio it isnt his father though, more like a few million year old ancestor
@@themanwiththebeard4632 i guess gene meant the sperm that merged with the egg to create the person
*GOD IS CORNERED AS A QUEER*
That is one of the most funniest out of context quote.
It's funny even with context
Who knew god what so #relatable?
can you even explain it with context? It comes out of nowhere completely off-topic lol
Everything from this guy had me choking in laughter
"So, what does -1 times -1 equal?"
"A South American!"
"I'm biracial, so..."
"You're WHAT???"
i had to pause for a minute to lose my shit over it
I would have thought for sure that Richard was messing with Gene the whole time. It was very surprising to learn how incredibly and tragically sincere he was in his belief of the Time Cube stuff.
Maybe he was to begin with then his illness made it difficult to tell the difference.
Considering they say there was a lot more to his life beyond this stuff, I still don't entirely believe he was sincere. The depression and neo-nazi stuff sounds a lot more serious and the timing might've just been coincidence.
@@SleepyAdamit’s difficult to say both of them clearly suffered mental issues maybe they both interceded at the same time for some reason who knows lol
He was 100% not sincere, but absolutely was troubled.
@@apt_get that's a lot of confidence based on absolutely zero evidence. The guy could have just been socially awkward, that's why he speaks like that. Also for Americans his "yeah" might sound really sarcastic, but for an aussie that's just normal way of talking. To me he seemed like he actually believed it. I mean, you have to truly and passionately believe in it to travel half way across the planet for an interview. Somehow I doubt a school kid who hardly has any disposable income would go this far just to troll somebody. And him taking his life when Gene got hostile would be one hell of a coincidence.
"Hey, did you know that your father's a fish?"
Really? Tell me more!
Michael Opnv how fucking dare u my father graduated Harvard and is now the owner of Microsoft who the fuck are you
No he was a squid
@@TheOdst219 and also possibly a kid
While this story is sad, did anyone else notice how decent Ray was with technology? Like he could scan images, make a website (which implies he knew enough HTML) and all that. Like, wow. Teachers in 2018 can't even get rid of the pointer from the projector screen
Just because someone is willing to throw their life away doesn't mean they were/are useless. The world was just too harsh and confusing a place for them to see enough hope in the future to fight off their demons.
That's because the teachers are educated stupid.
He can always pay someone to make the website for him.
There's an odd phenomenon regarding old internet and tech literacy. Lot's of adults were tech literate at the time and for some reason or another their ability just vanished over time.
You see lots of people talking about their tech literate parents in the 90's, how they were capable of x,y,z and then fast forward to present day they are so incompetent they can't even do basic shit like copying files. People say old age but I doubt that.
I mean if he was an electrician he couldn't have been stupid and had to have some background with technology.
"God is cornered as a queer."
...
I recognise those words individually but god help me if I can make heads or tales of that.
I guess they are trying to say god is queer???? I have no idea what being cornered as queer is
That’s because it’s word salad. They’re all words but together they don’t make a coherent sentence. An unfortunate symptom of whatever disorders he was battling.
God's gay af
The true prophecy is finally revealed, god is hella gay
Mankind was meant to evolve into sexual deviancy to end itself, God Is the biggest LGBT supporter of all
Say what you want about this guy and his theory, but the empty seat he wanted to label "Your God" at the MIT lecture is a fucking power move.
Metal as fuck
Cringe
@@Obeesius life is so much better when you stop cringing
@@Obeesius based you mean as your god has never appeared to you in person
I was here to screenshot the 666th thumbs up. Best moment of my life.
This story reminds me an experience I had when I was in college. I worked at a local sandwich shop and this older gentlemen would come every day (sometimes multiple times a day), and talk to me. Over time, he got comfortable enough with me to share things about his life. He was somewhat obsessed with a system he created for mathematically being able to discern people's personality based on the construction of their faces. He would talk about it excitedly, if not a little frantically, until his own thoughts would fail him and he would shrink away. It felt like one of those things that he was really sure of, but he just couldn't communicate it. He would randomly pop in the deli with magazines of peoples faces and hold it up against mine. "You're a peak!" he would explain. He had also characterized the different personality types humans could have based on geographical land forms. He was somewhat of a sentimental man, and was very warm. I learned that he was actually living in the local retirement home, and in his younger days had been a physicist at a very well known laboratory. I can't remember if he had any family, but he definitely had a few friends in the neighborhood (fellow shop owners/workers who he had sort of charmed). He wasn't an egotist like Gene Ray, but he definitely felt like he was holding some deep truth about existence that no one else could understand. I always humored him, but took more interest in him than his theories (which he warmed up to). I don't know what ever happened to him, but I do know that his health was deteriorating by the time I left. Looking back, I am happy that the community really took care of him, and I'll never forget all the eccentricity, and strangeness he brought to the world.
Do you know face construction and personality thing is real theory in East asian culture? Basically Read people's face and predict their future and personality. Korean movie 'The face reader' is about it.
The funniest thing is the concept isn't even totally pseudoscience, though his particular method of analysis may have been. Other scientists have written about the concept such as www.amazon.com/Judge-People-What-They-Look/dp/1977067972
It's something of a tragedy that bright people have in their later years a spark leading to a revelation, but they run out of steam before they can approach anything truly conclusive.
Sucks you had to leave. Did you two ever had something of a last meeting?
Zorro9129 That book is bullshit and pseudoscience
Sucks to have people 100% discredit your idea from old age and whatnot. There is a bit a truth in everything. It could be a case that it really was something he did but was hard to place into words. No one bothers looking into the subject until decades later where "scientists discovers that smiling uses certain muscles slowly changing the face over time in structure, as does frowning".
I think, _"Okay, Gene.. so, -1 x -1 should equal what?_ *"A South American!"* is my new favorite out of context quote.
To be fair, it doesn't really make much sense WITH context, either.
Grace Anderson Well sure, but to be fair you and I aren't the wisest man on earth do its not really for us to judge.
well he had a healthier outlet for his schizophrenia or whatever mental disorder that hit him than murder or something detrimental to society
MAYU are you calling the wisdom possessed by the greatest thinker a disorder?
To be fair, -1 x -1 = 1 doesn't make sense, either. It's an arbitrary convention employed to make math work. Same with the primality of 1. Actually, 1 is kind of a strange number in general.
Jesus christ. This kid came from Australia, got picked up at a wafflehouse, and then followed this guy into his shed.
DeViNoDe then ultimately killed himself after that man turned his back on him. I feel bad. He needed help alot of it. And instead he met a man that only amplified his problems and proved to be the catalyst to his suicide. Unfortunate.
not trying to be funny saying this but, after the part where he was picked up I was waiting for the story to turn real dark. then he entered the shed and I was like "Oh shit, better get ready to pause this thing". last thing I needed before I go to bed.
It was the early and mid 2000s internet, like the Wild West for online predators.
the Australian kid sounds so unimpressed and uncomfortable the whole time he's talking to ray in person. like he realized "oh wait, this man is insane."
He sounded like he was on the spectrum.
I'm not an expert, and theorizing about someone's mental state over the Internet is dangerous, but I do know that a flat affect can be a symptom of schizophrenia
When lecturing at Universities, he thought he was lecturing to Physics and Engineering students who came to learn about Time Cube. Instead it was an auditorium full of Psych Students who came to study his thought process and learn about Schizophrenia.
They were making fun of him though. So cruel and unethical
@@TheArtis4n Did you ever spend time in a school? It's what kids do. Hopefully they can be more professional once they have their degrees in a few years, but kids interact with life in a joking, if not a mocking and aggressive way because they're unsure of themselves and don't want to appear that way. Bravado is the easiest way to mitigate that.
@@scorpion07070 Precisely, I am a teacher myself.
scorpion07070 uhhh not college students lol. Its usually only middle-highschool students who don’t learn the common decency
@@scorpion07070 wtf man, people at university aren't kids
having a schizophrenic father who i've watched spiral downwards makes so many of the down the rabbit hole videos so saddening to watch... not nearly as upsetting as templeos, but the amount of people who egged gene on, warping his perception of how he's seen and laughing behind his back, and then there's the fact that gene had adult kids and grandkids that probably had to watch him spiral down too just... really bums me out honestly.
i am really sorry :/
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@@cricket9282 man that has to be so scary for u... i have huge respect for u guys... this illness is really one of the scariest
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@@cricket9282 shit man... I hope it stays like that. And like I said, huugee respect!
"That's the reason I use big print - Once you see it, you have read it."
That's.. That's actually genius.
I bet if you subtracted the crazy you'd be left with a fairly clever guy. Not that it's a perfect indicator, but I don't think I saw a single misspelled word on the timecube site. Granted, he could have used an early spellcheck.
That's true, actually logical and clever
😅🤣🤣😂
@@olinekokraglinek7577 If only he'd apply that to the rest of his theory... then maybe, just maybe, we'd be reading about it differently.
Big pp
Rewatching this and it really hit me how young Richard was when he passed, he wasn't even 22 yet. It sucks that Gene Ray was so apparently callous about Richard, but I truly don't think he was able to realize how big of an impact he had on Richard.
The crazy man completely out of touch with reality didn't realize the impact his actions could have on others? No way! /s
He was schizophrenic
@@joriankell1983 And your father is a fish
@@joriankell1983 And you think you're sane?
@@RobotronSage whatever, expat. You still running way too many discord servers?
Can we all just appreciate the word *"microspermfish?"*
It's a shame he didn't build his website with Squarespace
OMFG
See that never would have worked. He'd only be able to do it on Cubespace.
This deserves more likes
he must have used wix
nah man, he believed that timecube is 3 dimensional where as square is 2 dimensional
Mentally he reminds me a lot of Terry A Davis, the creator of TempleOS. An old schizophrenic who latched onto a nonsensical project they're devoted their life to, slowly become more volatile and angry.
I watched this video directly after the TempleOS video, and immediately drew the parallels to schizophrenia. That's one hell of a disease :(
You predicted the future of this youtube channel!
I am also reminded of The Pigman
@@noahprussia7622pigman?
@@bichodomatoexe the book "The Pigman"
I watch this video semi-anually to make sure I'm not going insane by seeing if the time cube has suddenly started to make more sense
it unironically is and im freaking out over this, the number 4 is appearing everywhere i look especially in years. 2012 - disaster year, 2016 - disaster year, 2020 - disaster year, if some crazy shit happens in 2024 im gonna go fucking insane
@@retardmode what happened in 2012 and 2016?
@@emperortgp2424 2012 - supposed end of the world and massive freakouts, 2016 - us presidential election and massive freakouts. the years themselves werent nearly as bad as the reaction of the general public to them
@@retardmode so they weren't really disaster years after all...
@@emperortgp2424 in a way yeah but the general public perceived them as that. if something similar happens in 2024 (probably something related either to the current situation with ukraine or to a new strain of corona or whatever) i would not be surprised but i would definetely feel validated in my pattern recognition skills lmao
This kind of content is the reason RUclips was originally founded, such a shame it has been lost behind corporate child advertisement. It's so few and far between to find videos like this but when you do it's so refreshing. I hope you continue this series for a long time to come.
Spacebacon I completely agree.
This comment!!! 👍👍👍
I bet there's more videos like this, but you have to dig a lot more unfortunately
Bro, old RUclips was pop-up videos, dumb skits, and stunts. Not 30 minute analysis of online figures.
@@WhaleManMan This is mostly true because videos were limited to 15 mins for the longest time, but people would just make parts to it. But yeah by far what you said was the majority content but I'm talking about why it was founded, not "Old RUclips" in general
The fact he betrayed the only person who seemed to actually support him is pretty disgraceful.
Considering his schizophrenia mental disease he wasnt really even in the right mind to begin with. Its probably him not even realizing what he's doing or his ailment was disrupting any form of judgement he could have even had.
This story is kinda humanity in a nutshell.
He seemed to believe that Richard J. had betrayed him first, and while Gene may have been completely out of his mind in many other ways -- that doesn't necessarily mean he was wrong on that one point, especially given that Richard was so troubled according to his friends. Or as other have said, maybe the so-called "betrayal" was actually yet another of Gene's delusions. But since Gene was never clear (unsurprisingly) about his schism with Richard and both parties are now dead, we'll never really know the truth.
I hardly think that's fair when literally hundreds of people seemed to make it their mission to destroy his ability to trust, blur his sense of reality, and turn him into a massive public spectacle with the intent of mocking his mental illness. You think HE'S disgraceful? I'm not saying the internet's responsibility was to get him help, but when people are actively trying to confuse, mislead, and humiliate a mentally ill old man, I hardly think him acting out of paranoia is inexcusable. He clearly didn't know what was real anymore and couldn't help that. It's disgusting that people think the trolling is justifiable but his confused actions are inexcusable.
In a psych class, we once spoke about a study where 3 people who all had Messiah complexes were forced to interact for a while. All of them believed they were God incarnate, and in direct interaction they were all polite to one another. When separated, however, they all spoke about how crazy the others were, and pointed to the exact symptoms they themselves were portraying as evidence of the others being nuts. While incapable of expressing doubt in their personal delusion, most delusional people still recognize it in others, and if the descriptions of his follower were correct, he was also pretty delusional. Such a sad fate.
“Well... I’m biracial...”
And at that moment, Gene Ray knew, he needed four fours because 16 would demean the value of 4.
this comment was posted 4 years ago.
I remember my own long gone grandfather who believed in fringe bible and historical conspiracies written in a book he claims to have the title "Mater de Golgotha." I really loved listening to him talk about those things passionately, it's like an alternate history fiction podcast.
You still have the bible? Sounds interesting
@@qwertical1431basic
Do you have the book? You should archive it and link it here
Do you have the book? You should archive it and link it here
Printed this website during science class in highschool back in 2002. Teacher was so fucking pissed, but didn't know how to tell which pc was doing the printing.
Morgan Biddlecom The linear-timeists are going to assasinate you now.
genius
"Your father was a fish."
Seriously though. These are all sad stories and the Time Cube is no exception. I can't help but just see an old man suffering from some fashion of mental illness, and then a similarly wounded young man getting lost in these delusions. Committing suicide when his hero insulted him, then Rey just becoming fully (if he ever wasn't) incomprehensible.
That all said, I still have no clue what the Time Cube is.
Hero of Trains thought he was taking the piss out of the old man but didn't expect Janczarski to take his own life.
What a bitter end to a weird story.
The saddest part about the footage released onto youtube is you can kind of hear the dawning and crushing realisation that he is in no way on the same wavelength with the only person in the world he thought he connected to.
Two different wavelengths, while not the same, can still make a pretty sounding interval. :(
“(Yeah)”.....”(Yeah”)........
Logan Young Actually kind of beautiful
It was more like a 12th root 2 interval. It doesn't even sound pretty :(
He could’ve stepped into our wrong timeline... with the knowledge of a 4-Day Earth.
Richard's death really, truly shocked me. Right up to that point I assumed he was someone just really interested in Gene's thought processes and was just really dedicated to learn about how his mind worked. Really sad.
When gene ray was showing his shirts and flyers,he seemed like an eager old veteran grandpa showing his grandchildren his trophies and medals
The same thing happened in the TempleOS video -- when those guys would talk to Davis about programming, he became lucid and could hold conversations, but when he went back to talking about his delusions he became incoherent again
I have a feeling this all started when he once said that a cube has 4 corners, someone corrected him, and he was too embarrassed to admit he was wrong. Thus, TimeCube.
@@CreepercrapTV he would have been way more disoriented if he was schizophrenic.
@@CreepercrapTV by whom? The psychiatrist that diagnosed him without even meeting him or were he wasn't his patient? Oh, okay!
That's called making an assumption and doesn't qualify for diagnosis even a bit. Dude wasn't schizophrenic. He was in touch with reality which a schizophrenic wouldn't be or know what is even real
Autistreviews are you schizophrenic too?
@@pilotwhaleproductions5880 bahahaha what makes you say that lmao. Do you take lightness of schizophrenia as a diagnosis or? The matter of it is that you shouldn't label people and this is standard practise of professional psychiatrist never make diagnosis in this manner.
You can see a difference between this person and temple os which was a real schizophrenic
@@bergsdal are you then making a diagnosis that he is not schizophrenic without meeting him? Seems a little contradictory no? 🤔
I was thinking about the granddaughter, and how it was strange she stopped by right as Time Cube got home with Time Cube Jr., and then it dawned on me that she was probably just checking up on him, making sure he was safe. He did invite a 20 year old complete stranger from Australia to stay with him. He must have told his family about the visit beforehand. Can you imagine what they thought when he told them all that? Good on her for making sure he's safe, if that's how it all went down.
R.I.P. Ray and Richard. Especially Richard. That young dude breaks my heart. I mean, he made that trip ALONE, all by himself. He must've been a really sad young dude. Poor guy.
It reminds you people with mental illness like this are no different than you or me. They live, laugh, have loved ones. I love someone with biploar disorder, and I know her being in my life won't be always easy and sometimes there are no right answers.
I first saw this video during a tough time in her life and it struck something with me.
He was a white supremacist. Good riddance.
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@@CrashBoomBang78 normally I'd agree with you but the poor guy was very obviously mentally ill
GottaPaytheTrollToll And also a racist. The two aren’t mutually exclusive, nor do they necessarily have anything to do with one another.
@@CrashBoomBang78 again, I would totally agree but schizophrenia warps thoughts and actions so much that irrational or antisocial behavior is very common (terry davis was famous for his slur usage). If he died marching at charlottesville with a tiki torch than I wouldnt be so sympathetic but he killed himself in his early 20s, which to me is more sad than anything
"life is based on a perfect math, or your arm would be too short to wipe your butt" mans spittin facts 🤔
Gene either never tried to suck himself off, or he was able to
First half had me laughing. Second made me come to the realization that this is a story of tragedy possible only in our era.
This is a tragedy of our time³.
But then you check the next Down the Rabbit hole and realize that life is just tragic in general.
LMAOOO
@@Chillibe seriously. God, I just watched the one about the collyer brothers.
Our time and three other times.
Time4/16*
That MIT meeting was really important to him. I am glad nobody was too mean to him so it could be a positive memory as opposed to feeling made fun of. I was concerned for him in that part of the video, but he wears his MIT hat a lot, so I think he liked it.
@@Adam-ni6ne You mean except for that one guy who he denounced and drove into offing himself?
To begin with i do not think "he didnt really hurt anyone" is applicable to someone who is suffering from a god complex. Whoever comes close to such people in any shape or form will get nothing, NOTHING but abuse. Richard is prime example this. Gave him the last push next to the rails and he didnt give a single _ enough to as much as remove his accusations from his site. No m8. People like these are objectively some of the worst type of sociopthic trash you can find among humanity.
@@nonusbusinissus5632 Besides the god complex it looks like he was schizophrenic so yea he did and said terrible things but it seems like the mental illness caused it
I mean, they were also enabling him and reinforcing his delusions. It was entertaining to watch but not 100% a good thing.
I agree with what Jacob said. You shouldn't reinforce delusion. He has this smug sense of superiority because he thinks no one else can see his delusions. He thinks hes the smartest man in the world and brags about it. Maybe he should have been taken down a peg or two.
vae I don’t think knocking him down a peg or two would have the desired effect
"Youre like the fingers on your hand, youve got the baby, the child, the parent, the grandparent"
........Daddy Finger, Daddy Finger, where are you? Here I am, here I am, how do you do......
Jahmocha I thought I was done with finger family....
Daddy Finger, meet 'Tallman'
Oh god no! Not that song! My son is 3 and sings that song constantly...
Here I am. HOW DO YOU DO?
We’ve come full circle
Boom mind blown
I went to uni with Richard. I remember him trying to talk to me about Time Cube at some point. At that time (2006) I had never heard of it and had no idea what it was, so I must have responded with disinterest. He got the message because he moved on and went to talk about it with other people instead.
What an interesting tale
I genuinely wanna know more about this Richard guy
it went from funny slowly to sad. when his grandchildren showed up and gave him a hug i was just really sad.
I found it a cheerful moment. He had lived his life proactively, managing a job and wife, so he had a family who loved him into old age. Unlike many ppl with severe mental health issues who tragically dont get that chance.
Awww, why does that nearly always happen on this channel?
Give me the loonies, I know how to deal with them.
These videos always make me feel horrible. I'm schizophrenic, and I'm forever grateful for how my friends are able to keep me grounded during bad periods. The way peopled egged him on is the exact opposite of what you should do to someone who's going through psychosis.
I feel for people with schizophrenia, but people like Gene Ray remind me that people are more than just their disability. And the way he does this is by being homophobic, biracialphobic and harming those who actively try to support him. I won't judge him for his theories, but rather what he does with his beliefs, and the same goes for everyone. It is good to hear that you have people who actually support you. And I have to question if Gene Ray's family really supported him. Pretty sure they didn't if Gene Ray's mother disagreed with him over something so hypothetical.
I've found it's very hard for people who don't struggle with their mental health to empathize with people who do, which of course is true with most things in the world. People just don't understand what situations they don't have to go through are like. And instead of being nice and helpful, they find fun in other people's pain. And I feel like the comment above me @WillieManga is a good example for how people could justify acting this way. It's not hard to see there were strong homophobic, and racist themes in the things he said. Which is of course, terrible. But none of that really matters when talking about the way people treated him. It's not like they were having fun at the expense of his stupidity caused by bigotry. They were having fun at the expense of a person who clearly had no idea what was going on due to their struggles with mental health, and that's what matters. You can't justify the way they were acting just because he also said shitty things. The fact is, everyone would have acted the exact same way completely regardless of his other opinions, as shown by the other examples just on this RUclips channel. There are SO many example's of people being harassed online due to mental health, and it's just terrible with how popular these people get that there's no one there to help them. You really can't justify the way these people acted.
Schizoaffective here and no support from friends or family. Stories like Gene's here (and many, many others, online and IRL) just goes to show how random people will gladly take advantage of your illness just for their own fun :/
@@hereniho how are you, buddy? I’m sorry you don’t have any support from people who should be giving it to you. Have you been ok?
I am living in your walls
Holy fuck I realized I live just down the road from this guy. I wish I had met him before he died
Neon White Please get out >U
D. M. He's not dead; he's in the time cube. There's four corners on the time cube. Four fours, not 16.
(Yeah.)
No, nobody dies in the time cube. We all become cubes in the real world. Also are you aware that your father is a fish?
D. M. Have you met his family tho?
I miss down the rabbit hole, i rewatch them every 2 or 3 months. 10 out of 10 youtube right here.
Is he not posting anymore?
@@echofitwork Been a while since his last video, so I assume not.
@@echofitworkhe's actually just been working on one longass video for a good few years now; it's about some sort of MMO or other online game I think and last I knew he said it's length would be approximately five hours
@@irisaferg2524that sounds ridiculous. A few years for one video? There are other channels that pump out hour long high quality videos every few months, best example i can come up with rn is whitelight who had an 8 hour review of death stranding. That took him like a few months to make. Id say personally that's a silly move. I get quality over quantity but at this point id rather eat a potato than die of starvation yk what i mean?
@@MrMacchiato97agreed.
It's cool that this guy found work writing the Kingdom Hearts titles.
"Kingdom Hearts: Simultaneous 4 Day Creation Over God" is probably my favorite spin off to date.
Kingdom Hearts Re: 96 Hours Over One Day Final Mix Preorder Edition
PFFFFTTRFFRDFFFF I ALMOST CHOKED
And are we going to mention the fact that KH is developed by _Square_ Enix?
Dude just *really* likes cubes and the number 4.
Erik Gutierrez - He'd better not go to China, then. 😂
his favourite gaming console?
- Game Cube.
Erik Gutierrez Mista must hate him and his theory
Don't forget saying "Run and hide"
His favorite commercial?
- That commercial that has that one dude singing the telephone no. 444 - 4444
I may still have that DVD of his MIT debate. It was sold in a package for about $20: DVD, T-shirt, button, and I think a flyer. I still have (and wear) the t-shirt, maybe I'll dig through some boxes and upload it; never realized no one else had done this yet.
jorgamund07 do it
Please do, I'm sure a lot of people would appreciate it.
jorgamund07 yes please
jorgamund07 can you notify us when you upload? I'd love to see it.
PLEASE do this!
I've given this video so many views over the years from revisiting the time cube 🎉 thank you for this presentation.
I love how he completely dismisses the thumb and big toe from the ends of the limbs.
The four corners of a classroom is so telling - i've been sitting through the video wondering why the numbers 8, 6, 12 (vertices, faces, edges) haven't shown up more and now I'm starting to understand that this man doesn't understand the difference between a square and a cube.
Nah, it's because 2 of the "corners" are actually the poles of which the earth rotates around, so out of the 6 intersections between the earth and the 3 planes he mentioned, only 4 of them move relative to earth (or maybe it's the earth that moves? who fucking knows). And yeah, I realize I just tried to make sense of of timecube, but it is very late and I am very high
@@cursedmailman3999 you just made my night lmao
@cursed mailman nah I'm pretty sure he just doesn't understand geometry. He also objected to the idea of 3 spacial dimensions, citing the number of corners in a room. As if the numerology occupying those 3 dimensions has any bearing on them lol.
10:09 "You don't use sixteen because that demeans the value of four, what you actually have is four fours"
I mean, eight is two fours, twelve is three fours, six is... Uhh... One four and a half of four, I reckon.
It's channels like these that really show the innovation of content creators on You Tube. Down the Rabbit Hole is better than any documentary series I've seen on TV, Cable or Netflix. Keep up the good work, Fred! You are an inspiration to artists like me, that we can produce content as good as and better than traditional media!
Everything Knudsen does feels like a documentary. I wouldn't mind hearing about the more obscure stuff with a professional team of editors, sound design, the whole thing. I can't count the amount of times I've actually felt something when finishing a video. The Collyer Brothers and Time Cube left me with a feeling of despair and sadness. Henry Darger left me feeling uneasy. Something about the way Fredrik does his videos always has some effect on me.
Maybe my time cube is malfunctioning...
If he was paying a bunch of people like that it would probably have to become more clickbait rubbish - 'top 5 timecube facts you WONT BELIEVE'. lol
The amazing thing about getting picked up by a network is that he doesn't pay them.
1111 -- its subject matter to.. A lot of Fredriks videos show off with something "light hearted" and slips into much more real themes later.
Real people, with real lives, which can be similar to your own story.. Your mom's story.. Your best friend who you never seen from..
It's very down-to-earth for most of his content, with very few hiccups of exaggeration. All these situations are plausible, because they've already happened..
Least thats where I comes into "creepy" territory for me.. You know that these things can happen.. But have you *seen* them happen to people you know?
The "Five Finger Family" video could literally be summed up as "Channels aimed at toddlers and babies rehash a nursery rhyme dozens of times over to capitalizing on youtube's algorithm so that said children will click on videos and generate ad revenue. The weird comments from "adults" are children accidently leaving comments." and yet I was gripped the whole damn time, expecting some grand reveal or shocking twist and in the end was something rather mundane. It only goes to show Knudsen's great skill as a writer and editor.
I love how unenthusiastic the Australian guy is when he showed up to interview him. Its such a funny juxtaposition with how overly excited he acted in all his previous videos.
I shouldn't find Gene's "You're WHAT?!" at the biracial student so funny
TheThisIsMe2010 It is okay.
Its ok to be 1/2 huwhite.
Yufa Kinlion but not 1/16 because that would demean the value of 4
@@Hayseus712 Un4tunately for cubism, the revered number had no real meaning to begin with. Further down you'll find another comment pointing out that a cube has six sides, not four. 😃
I wanted to know where disabled people were in that world.
The second-wisest human responding to the wisest human’s every sentence with a monotone, increasingly deflated “yeh” is a *mood*.
It's a symptom of schizophrenia. It's refered to as the "flat affect"
@@matthewdove5528 wait really
@@Ooo0990 I feel like we can safely assume the young guy also struggled with schizophrenia. Yes, showing and expressing little emotion is very common for people with schizophrenia, but it's important to remember to not make assumptions about other people just because they have similar symptoms. "flat affect", or things very similar to it can happen in people for other reasons as well.
@@zthecat I don't have any experience with people with Schizophrenia, but to me his mannerisms really minded me of the way autism can manifest in some people. This kind of flat delivery and bluntness in social interactions, with peaks of interest and eccentricity when talking about his passions really reminded me of some of the folks I've known in my life. I'd never assume and press the condition on him, but it was an interesting mirror for reflection.
It's part of why I've come back to this video over and over, ever since I first saw it uploaded in late 2017.
@@humbledaoist Yeah, I agree his mannerisms seemed like someone who is autistic. It's definitely possible he was autistic, and also struggled with schizophrenia. The way people in his life describe him changing, becoming progressively more detached so to say, and from what we saw of him in the video, it still makes me think he was experiencing some sort of psychosis. I've had a good amount of experience with both autism, and psychosis from other people, and from personal experience. But again, I could definitely be wrong. Different symptoms can show up in many different circumstances.
The sun has it's heat on the outside, that's masculinity. The Earth has it's heat on the inside that's femininity.
That's actually quite an interesting observation. I guess you could say he's thinking outside the square.
You see, this makes sense because God is cornered as a Queer.
@@kapitanJoJo and god is cornered in the cube. It makes fucking perfect sense, this guy is a enlightened god
The sun is hotter on the inside than the outside, so its genderqueer you fuckin cubeless fuck
That's just the classic Olympian vs Chtonic dichotomy people have been discussing for thousands of years. Freud wrote about it a lot, as did ancient Brahmins.
What you're seeing their is his malfunctioning brain making random tangential connections due to the nature of his mental illness. Its actually fascinating.
As cooky as the guy is, he’s one of the only old guys on the internet to have a young guy fly to him, pick him up, and not try to bang him. I’ll take that cool kind of crazy any day
such a sad story, but very well done as always. few videos can have me watch them for so long, and not even notice how much time had passed.
Moliminous all my favorite you youtubers watch each other
Moliminous FUNKe is best trap.I want to see fanart of him going late with a toast in his mouth.
It is a rather sad story, seemingly a trend with the Down the Rabbit Hole series, from this to Henry Darger, to the Collyer Brothers.
It's all very interesting.
True
aplastic soldier what
Just give the man a copy of Minecraft and he'll be happy.
Someone is salty that I watch a TV show.
Uh...
I think it's a bit late.
Not entirely. If you read his notes, you will learn that time is cubed so while he may be dead to us, he's still alive in terms of his notes.
Here is your bag of attention
Chicken Sludge Okay, now THIS is epi c
Turning a old man into an internet joke is heartbreaking. Your well researched and well thoughtout documentary hit me right in the feels. Thank you for looking into Gene Ray as a person and not as a joke. Keep up the awesome work. And also Richard story is just so hauntly sad . To hear a person be rejected by the man he so idolized is painful
He did it all as a joke though. He killed himself cause he was depressed, not cause of some old crazy man not liking him.
Senor Platano actually you can see that it really hit him when he actually met Ray and saw who this person actually was.
the dude was a monster, you can only sympathize so much before you're just as dumb as he is
I can't imagine traveling over 8,000 miles to meet someone that I wanted to emulate and have it fall apart like that. Just devastating. This is something I'd like to share with some of my psych field friends to see some of their perspectives.
People like gene ray don’t deserve the luxury to breathe. Anyone that feels bad for this person is just wasting their feelings on someone who doesn’t deserve pity.
In geometry, what we commonly call a corner in a room is actually a vertix, where three or more faces meet, a corner is where two faces meet
Cubes have 8 vertices, 12 corners and 6 faces.
What's even funnier is that he is actually describing two conjoined pyramids. That's an octahedron, which has 12 corners, 6 vertices and 8 faces.
this is at the same time funny and super fucking sad, ray clearly had schizofrenia or another types of dellusion and deserved treatment. You are one of the few channels who talk respectfully of people like that no matter how crazy their ideas are, thanks for that
Yeah. I'm pretty sure that's Schizophrenia he's got. Or some cocktail of disorders. I was trying to take him seriously and wrap my mind around his disjointed ideas until I heard him talk. It was funny until then. Though now I'm worried about the state of MIT. That was some highschool prom Carry shit they were pulling on that poor man. If these supposedly intelligent people got into a room with that man and didn't realize he's got a mental illness, and instead decided to have a laugh at his expense, then I worry for us all.
Yeah that is part of what makes this channel so good
Religion is Cancer micro penis alert
He might be, but extreme belief on something might have the same result. Normalcy is relative sometimes.
@RUBY DA CHERRY Schizophrenia
Nobody:
Gene Ray: Did you know your father was a fish?
F I S H
m i c r o s p e r m f i s h
A fish who was also a pyramid, and was certainly not Jewish.
Kanye West: My father was gay and my mother was a fish.
@@wickedwitchofthewest1614 Gay Fish
Apart from his diagnosed schizophrenia I'm pretty sure he had an early to medium stage of dementia, the way he struggles with sentences sometimes, seeming to lose his words. I worked with dementia patients for a whole year and this is a really typical symptom of dementia.
That assessment would explain why his life was otherwise comfortable and clean. He has good family connections, he's not homeless, and is otherwise very functional. Other than his crazy ramblings, his only maladies seem to be his age. Schizophrenia isn't a diagnosis that happens near in old age, it's a life-long illness normally diagnosed in late teens (although it can be as late as 30.) He probably was correctly treated for a long time until he either stopped taking medication or the medication no longer worked on his deteriorating brain.
Wow a whole year! You should be an honorary MD with actual qualifications to diagnose people. Lol
Not surprising since schizophrenia either is, or wears the trappings of, a neurodegenerative disease. Kraepelin described it as such (dementia, that is) after noticing in autopsies that advanced schizophrenia patients had reduced grey/white matter volume and large vacuoles in their brains, which is corroborated by modern MRI imaging of advanced schizophrenia patients; and by time lapse imaging of schizophrenics.
It's an open question whether schizophrenia can be halted by taking medication, or whether it simply advances slower, but if you don't take your lithium you end up like this guy at the end. Then again, perhaps you will still end up like Terry/Gene at the end, if you live long enough, but that would require time lapsed MRIs of medicated patients over multiple decades, with no gaps in medication, to see if the vacuoles in the brain expand or not. Then you have to rule out other things, like general aging and the shrinking of the grey/white matter that comes with it, or other neurodegenerative diseases like Alzheimer's.
Very insidious disease. Like an extremely slow moving form of Alzheimer's, but at least Alzheimer's (usually) has the common courtesy to only show up in your mid-70s or early 80s.
@@SundayGravy812 as opposed to your tenure of watching RUclips and vicariously gaining some super serious worldly cynicism?
@@thatdudeoverthere2188 lol nailed 'em
Every once in a while I come back to your channel to rewatch your videos and no matter how many times I've seen them already, your storytelling always manages to enthral me :) I swear you're the best at making this type of vids
When you were talking about how Janczarsky committed suicide I was waiting for a "but then it turned out it was just a joke" but it just never came, it made my heart sink a bit when you showed his grave.
Gene: *says anything*
Recorder: Yeh.
Somebody ought count the yeah
Someone should replace the texture for an open elder scroll with text from this.
Underrated post
gene ray has achieved CHIM
He read an elder scroll and went the way of Septimus, no surprise that nobody can understand him.
Either that or the Necronomicon
Who actually plays the story in skyrim?
It's so depressing watching how Ray seems to want to fight with Richard during all the videos. Like the por kid just wanted to talk time cube and Ray just couldnt get out of his instinct that people disagreed with him.
"I'm bi-racial."
"YOU'RE_WHAT_?!"
Hwaaat?!
NANI?!!
Ian Phoenix that right there disproved his theory and stumped the shit outta him
@Black Hippy
No, he just claimed that it was destroying the human race by destroying the four races.
I would have the same reaction tbh
there has to be *one* C-list celebrity that believes the time cube is real
Probably Tila Tequila. She's fucking nuts.
Lord of Lard I bet will smiths son loves the time cube.
Krissy Tokyo I mean, we'd all still hit that though... Right?
no, she looks like an ant
Lord of Lard No, that's oneism. There a four C-List celebs that believe 😂
You know what the worst part about all of this is?
A cube doesn't have four sides. A cube is three dimensional, it has 6 sides.
khdo12346 time square dosent sound as good
but its not a square, its a cube. because the earth is 3d, a sphere
but you don't say "sixteen" because you'd lose the value of four
He would just say it has four sides, a top and a bottom.
6 faces*
Didn't think this would end in suicide for his one believer. I hopes he's resting easy now. Must suck to find someone to connect to, then be publicly shamed and tossed aside
My uncle is also schizophrenic and he once told me that the earth is a pyramid that we live on top of and that my science and geography teachers were lying to me. It's truly sad to see these similarities and I can only pray that he doesn't die the way Gene did, alone in a lie of his own making.
Justin Why? Okay, based on your username, you're now my daddy.
He had friends and family and found success publishing his studies online.
I normally find the saying "Ignorance is bliss" to basically always be bullshit rhetoric. But in this case, I would say that your correct. This man believing the absurdities he was writing online to be "undeniable gospel of an enlightened being" and that people were behind him, proved to be beneficial. If he was ever able to be truly convinced that he was a madman with a mental illness, and all his fans were mocking the circus he had created, it would have destroyed his soul.
imposter!!!!!
Jesus your an imposter you faker
Oh shit son, this is a documentary at this point. Getting my blanket, my cats, some crisps and beer, and settling in.
Why doesn't this guy get a deal with Netflix? I want to watch entire seasons of this.
He needs his own research team too. This is one step past urban legends
I'm eating popcorn and drinking genger ale
Gene sounds like me when I had an hour left to write a lit paper - frantically grasping at any connections I could make to deeper themes but making literally no sense because I probably never even had the time to read the book anyway
(in all seriousness though this is really sad I wish we had better support systems for people like him)
@Neon Nihilist the help does exist, people just... Don't use it.
How did you do with that lit paper?
"You don't say sixteen because that would demean the value of four."
Six years later, sometimes I turn over in bed and think about this line