I had a 2.0d 180bhp ingenium xf and ran it from new to 180k with zero problems. My only expense being consumables and servicing costs. I found it a fantastic engine, economical, plenty of torque, a great cruiser. Couldn't fault it 👍
I currently run an X-Type estate with the 2.2 diesel. It is comfortable, reliable (no DPF) and I manage mid 50s MPG on mostly motorway driving. Currently I rack up about 15000 miles per year and with retirement in sight, I had planned to run the X-Type until then and change to an XF estate, probably diesel. But this article has set me thinking, so I did some calculations. Based on 7000m per annum after retirement, I compared the costs of a petrol XF 250 at an assumed 35 mpg and a 2.0 diesel at an assumed 60mpg, and based on the fuel costs at my nearest station (1.41/L diesel and 1.35/L petrol) I came up with annual fuel costs of £165 for a diesel and £270 for petrol, so just over £100 difference. If you did my current mileage of 15000 it would be just over £200. But then add in the cost of an annual DPF clean ( I looked online and found an average of £245 + VAT quoted for this), extra oil, filters, Adblue etc. and you would have to do a pretty huge mileage to make the diesel cheaper than the petrol as well as being reliable. So it would seem that a more sensible choice for me when the time comes is to look for a petrol version! Or have I missed something?
@@DalesDose Well, previous owner was a, sadly deceased, elderly gentleman who, by the looks of the MOT records, spent more time polishing than driving. I am now up to 95000 miles, so from your comments there is a lot of life left in the old girl yet!!
Going against the tide of opinion here, but I followed Jaguar’s servicing recommendations and had absolutely no problems with my XF Sportbrake. Maybe I was lucky, but mine was an excellent engine and vehicle.
I would force the regeneration, take it out on the highway for a 50 km drive at least once a week, I usually manual the gear selector and drive thirty KM running the engine in 6th gear to keep the rpm up above 2000. Most important is to keep the oil clean though, even doing it at 5k is almost what needs to be done
I do my own F Pace oil and filter changes at home, every 5000 miles. Not yet cleaned the DPF but only at 34000 miles. There is also a filter on the low pressure EGR system that clogs if the DPF is damaged. A sooty tailpipe is evidence of a cracked DPF and a whole world of pain and expense. A weekly check of the tailpipe is important.
Great to see you've mastered the ingenium! You've got the key to keeping them reliable- certainly do clean the dpf though because they caused back pressure. If your changing the oil every 5000 miles you should have no issues anyway I suppose.
F-Pace 2.0d Daily Motorway mileage, 21-23,000 miles between services, sold at 74,000 miles, no troubles. Sympathetic cold start driving but selected a lower gear and gunned it up the M62 over the Pennines every so often (90+) or it would barely rev more then 2000rpm the whole time. The oil was black, so I think 20k+ is too much but keeping the DPF clean is number 1 IMO.
People who do alot of motorway miles have a much better chance as the DPF gets hot enough to regen. I really suggest you do a oil change every 10k maximum though for what it costs!
@TajWoodsSutherlinFitness XK V8 XF and presently XJ 351 3.0 V6 Diesel. Amazing car. 👍 Folk ridicule me for changing oil every 5k but I always have for 45 years of driving, never had an engine issue 👍
On my Discovery Sport with an Ingenium engine, a warning message comes up after 8k to 10k advising an oil change, so I obey the advice notwithstanding that there's loads of miles to go for the 21k service. At my current mileage, this means it gets done every year with the MoT. JLR should really issue advice to all owners and garages to follow your advice. They are great vehicles otherwise. BTW - Range Rover Evoques and Velars also have these engines.
It's too late for my 2016 XE. Catastrophic turbo failure took the engine out with it, just after I had finished paying for it. It ended up costing thousands on attempted repairs, flatbed transfers and ultimate sale as a non-runner. I don't think it ever made it back on the road.
Sorry for your experience. It sounds like it might have been more economical to get a new or reconditioned engine. I’m a bit worried, as my wife has a 2018 Discovery Sport which I believe has the same engine 😲.
2018 disco sports do have the ingenium 2.0. The earlier 2.2d are the ones to go for. What i will say is this... if you do a oil and filter change ATLEAST every 10k miles or 12 monthly you SHOULD be okay. The ingenium engine itself is actually a good engine, it's a mixture of poorly designed DPF and silly long service intervals that kill them. Ive seem well maintained ingenium diesel engines on over 200k and still going. I would look at getting your dpf removed for reassurance.
@@DalesDose Thanks for the good info - I will advise my wife and make sure the oil gets changed every year (or maybe sooner) - I change the oil in my Octavia VRS TDI every 5,000 miles, and have had no problems in 92,000 miles. 👍
Hi, i have a jaguar xe diesel from auction no keys. I got the keys sorted, new battery, but the car cranks and won't start.. any advice what i can do to sort this issue? Communication bus B off and bus D were on the dtc.
I have the evoque 2ltr ingenium , I do about 8000 miles a year can I just say I really really dont know how anybody can go on a 2 yr service plan , my car ask for a service about feb and then again in the same year about September your car as a sensor to see how the oil is doing so are people ignoring the early service light thinking they already have done one? I also use premium diesel and then sometimes take it out on a run now and then. When I bought the car I didnt realise it had the balance shaft issue which luckily was still under warranty ( previous owner had done 50000 ) so that was sorted , I do worry about the timing chain issues mines a late 2018, also had the egr and AD blue deleted
I have a 66 plate XF 2.0d. Had to get timing chain replaced at 91k - £2000. Aside from the fact the 8 speed gearbox at low speeds or pulling away is absolute PANTS it's a lovely car to drive once at speed.
The service interval on these engines is ridiculous. Jaguar state 2 years or 21000 miles,and they wonder why they have issues. The parts supply is also a problem, I needed a pipe from the cylinder head to the expansion tank, 8 weeks wait for a £13 part. The oil jaguar recommend is also very thin (0-W30)
Yes your totally correct. The parts supply issue will probably because they are having to build so many extra ones to replace the damaged one under warranty. This country is so corrupt that the press won't highlight it because JLR are a British business.
I own a diesel mark 2 XF, 2018. Do not follow the service interval recommendation from Jaguar.. That's also what my specialist JLR shop told me. I change the oil every 10-15k KM. I've had no issue so far. Had it for 2 years, I've had some parts replaced like Nox sensor and Diesel cooler which both had corroded, but it might be because in Finland its quite harsh climate and salt on roads etc. Diesels have their own issues, just maintain properly.
My XF 25T Portfolio is petrol and is over six years old and has had only one problem with timing solenoids . Plus a battery over Covid and the six weeks I couldn't drive after heart surgery.
I have the P400 V6 petrol in my Defender - I don't do more than about 3k a year. One year after the last service I got the "Service isn't due sir". Me: "I want it doing anyway please". It's just not worth pushing it out.
The petrol do not suffer the same as the diesels so I'm sure you'll be fine just following the JLR service schedule. It's just the Diesels that require extra servicing
There's a foolproof way of not getting problems with these engines, don't buy one of the heaps of sh*t in the first place. You can blame long oil change intervals all you like, if they were any good they'd cope with that. My previous Audi A6 2.0 TDi was bought with 17k miles on the clock and 13 years later somebody drove into it and wrote it off, at which point it still ran and sounded like new with 332k miles on it, engine never been apart, oil changes every 18k miles, oil consumption negligible. If the Germans can make good engines which don't need new oil every five minutes, why can't JLR?
Not sure about the DPF clean, but when I bought my 2017 XE diesel on 10k miles from the local main agent, I decided the service intervals were absurdly long for a diesel engine, so took out a service plan that included extra services between the Jaguar ones. Essentially these are oil and filter change plus an underbody assessment and brake check. So far all has been well, and I have had no faults whatsover, (knocks head on wood). Car is now on 63k. Maybe time to sell-on !
I had a 2.0d 180bhp ingenium xf and ran it from new to 180k with zero problems. My only expense being consumables and servicing costs. I found it a fantastic engine, economical, plenty of torque, a great cruiser. Couldn't fault it 👍
Yes that's they key. They need regular long runs to keep the DPF clear. Technically they are a great engine. The DPF is the problem.
I currently run an X-Type estate with the 2.2 diesel. It is comfortable, reliable (no DPF) and I manage mid 50s MPG on mostly motorway driving. Currently I rack up about 15000 miles per year and with retirement in sight, I had planned to run the X-Type until then and change to an XF estate, probably diesel. But this article has set me thinking, so I did some calculations. Based on 7000m per annum after retirement, I compared the costs of a petrol XF 250 at an assumed 35 mpg and a 2.0 diesel at an assumed 60mpg, and based on the fuel costs at my nearest station (1.41/L diesel and 1.35/L petrol) I came up with annual fuel costs of £165 for a diesel and £270 for petrol, so just over £100 difference. If you did my current mileage of 15000 it would be just over £200. But then add in the cost of an annual DPF clean ( I looked online and found an average of £245 + VAT quoted for this), extra oil, filters, Adblue etc. and you would have to do a pretty huge mileage to make the diesel cheaper than the petrol as well as being reliable. So it would seem that a more sensible choice for me when the time comes is to look for a petrol version! Or have I missed something?
I've had many X types great car. The best been the 2.2d. Infact my tow car is a early LR discovery sport with the 2.2d - bullet proof!
@@DalesDose Well, previous owner was a, sadly deceased, elderly gentleman who, by the looks of the MOT records, spent more time polishing than driving. I am now up to 95000 miles, so from your comments there is a lot of life left in the old girl yet!!
Going against the tide of opinion here, but I followed Jaguar’s servicing recommendations and had absolutely no problems with my XF Sportbrake. Maybe I was lucky, but mine was an excellent engine and vehicle.
Which engine?
@@DalesDose 2.0D ingenium, the much maligned!
Great information, I have a 25d and also, any chance you could outline how to do a DPF clean please.thanks
I would force the regeneration, take it out on the highway for a 50 km drive at least once a week, I usually manual the gear selector and drive thirty KM running the engine in 6th gear to keep the rpm up above 2000. Most important is to keep the oil clean though, even doing it at 5k is almost what needs to be done
There's additives you can buy for your fuel. Look on Amazon
I do my own F Pace oil and filter changes at home, every 5000 miles. Not yet cleaned the DPF but only at 34000 miles. There is also a filter on the low pressure EGR system that clogs if the DPF is damaged. A sooty tailpipe is evidence of a cracked DPF and a whole world of pain and expense. A weekly check of the tailpipe is important.
Great to see you've mastered the ingenium! You've got the key to keeping them reliable- certainly do clean the dpf though because they caused back pressure. If your changing the oil every 5000 miles you should have no issues anyway I suppose.
F-Pace 2.0d Daily Motorway mileage, 21-23,000 miles between services, sold at 74,000 miles, no troubles. Sympathetic cold start driving but selected a lower gear and gunned it up the M62 over the Pennines every so often (90+) or it would barely rev more then 2000rpm the whole time. The oil was black, so I think 20k+ is too much but keeping the DPF clean is number 1 IMO.
People who do alot of motorway miles have a much better chance as the DPF gets hot enough to regen. I really suggest you do a oil change every 10k maximum though for what it costs!
Yep
I've done oil changes every 5k for last 45 years.
Never had any engine issues , not even with the Triumph Stag I had for 15 years ⚠️
What kind of jag do you own/what jags have you owned?
@TajWoodsSutherlinFitness
XK V8
XF and presently XJ 351 3.0 V6 Diesel.
Amazing car. 👍
Folk ridicule me for changing oil every 5k but I always have for 45 years of driving, never had an engine issue 👍
@ nice! I own a 2011 XJ. Absolutely love it
On my Discovery Sport with an Ingenium engine, a warning message comes up after 8k to 10k advising an oil change, so I obey the advice notwithstanding that there's loads of miles to go for the 21k service. At my current mileage, this means it gets done every year with the MoT.
JLR should really issue advice to all owners and garages to follow your advice. They are great vehicles otherwise.
BTW - Range Rover Evoques and Velars also have these engines.
It's too late for my 2016 XE. Catastrophic turbo failure took the engine out with it, just after I had finished paying for it. It ended up costing thousands on attempted repairs, flatbed transfers and ultimate sale as a non-runner. I don't think it ever made it back on the road.
Sorry for your experience. It sounds like it might have been more economical to get a new or reconditioned engine. I’m a bit worried, as my wife has a 2018 Discovery Sport which I believe has the same engine 😲.
2018 disco sports do have the ingenium 2.0. The earlier 2.2d are the ones to go for. What i will say is this... if you do a oil and filter change ATLEAST every 10k miles or 12 monthly you SHOULD be okay. The ingenium engine itself is actually a good engine, it's a mixture of poorly designed DPF and silly long service intervals that kill them. Ive seem well maintained ingenium diesel engines on over 200k and still going. I would look at getting your dpf removed for reassurance.
Yes the turbos fail due to lack of oil. These engines can be reliable if your anal with the oil changes.
@@DalesDose Thanks for the good info - I will advise my wife and make sure the oil gets changed every year (or maybe sooner) - I change the oil in my Octavia VRS TDI every 5,000 miles, and have had no problems in 92,000 miles. 👍
Hi, i have a jaguar xe diesel from auction no keys. I got the keys sorted, new battery, but the car cranks and won't start.. any advice what i can do to sort this issue? Communication bus B off and bus D were on the dtc.
Not sure on the electrical side. What fault codes come up?
I have the evoque 2ltr ingenium , I do about 8000 miles a year can I just say I really really dont know how anybody can go on a 2 yr service plan , my car ask for a service about feb and then again in the same year about September your car as a sensor to see how the oil is doing so are people ignoring the early service light thinking they already have done one? I also use premium diesel and then sometimes take it out on a run now and then. When I bought the car I didnt realise it had the balance shaft issue which luckily was still under warranty ( previous owner had done 50000 ) so that was sorted , I do worry about the timing chain issues mines a late 2018, also had the egr and AD blue deleted
your car HAS a sensor.. if you speak in yorkshire it doesnt mean you spell in it as well.....lol
Dpf clean every year, these cars really are a joke.
XF petrol 3.0 V6. Oil and filter change every 10,000 miles. 150k miles. Still going.
I have a 66 plate XF 2.0d. Had to get timing chain replaced at 91k - £2000. Aside from the fact the 8 speed gearbox at low speeds or pulling away is absolute PANTS it's a lovely car to drive once at speed.
The service interval on these engines is ridiculous. Jaguar state 2 years or 21000 miles,and they wonder why they have issues. The parts supply is also a problem, I needed a pipe from the cylinder head to the expansion tank, 8 weeks wait for a £13 part. The oil jaguar recommend is also very thin (0-W30)
Yes your totally correct. The parts supply issue will probably because they are having to build so many extra ones to replace the damaged one under warranty. This country is so corrupt that the press won't highlight it because JLR are a British business.
21k service intervals are killing these engines ! Factor in the people that dont get them serviced & its only going 1 way
I own a diesel mark 2 XF, 2018. Do not follow the service interval recommendation from Jaguar.. That's also what my specialist JLR shop told me.
I change the oil every 10-15k KM. I've had no issue so far. Had it for 2 years, I've had some parts replaced like Nox sensor and Diesel cooler which both had corroded, but it might be because in Finland its quite harsh climate and salt on roads etc.
Diesels have their own issues, just maintain properly.
Thank god i got petrol one,change oil every 5000 that goes for any car
@@garymiller7218 You got the petrol 2.0 or the v6, v8?
@DalesDose petrol 2.0 200 bhp
@garymiller7218 what's the known issues with these? I've never had one in.
I don't see many petrol engine problems but jr vehicle services has done a few videos on the diesel engines also on the landrovers with same engines
My XF 25T Portfolio is petrol and is over six years old and has had only one problem with timing solenoids . Plus a battery over Covid and the six weeks I couldn't drive after heart surgery.
Nothing wrong,,,,apart from the engines, ....hardly a vote of confidence! AVOID!
I have the P400 V6 petrol in my Defender - I don't do more than about 3k a year. One year after the last service I got the "Service isn't due sir". Me: "I want it doing anyway please". It's just not worth pushing it out.
The petrol do not suffer the same as the diesels so I'm sure you'll be fine just following the JLR service schedule. It's just the Diesels that require extra servicing
I just got rid of my xe , 76000ml no problems, but would not trust it a lot longer the ingeniam engine is cr** ?.
1. Don't buy one
There's a foolproof way of not getting problems with these engines, don't buy one of the heaps of sh*t in the first place. You can blame long oil change intervals all you like, if they were any good they'd cope with that. My previous Audi A6 2.0 TDi was bought with 17k miles on the clock and 13 years later somebody drove into it and wrote it off, at which point it still ran and sounded like new with 332k miles on it, engine never been apart, oil changes every 18k miles, oil consumption negligible. If the Germans can make good engines which don't need new oil every five minutes, why can't JLR?
Was it a euro 6 ?
@johnbrooke9948 No it was Euro 4, 2007. No dpf but after over 300,000 miles it had a smoke reading of 0.09, pass mark 1.5 with dpf or 3.0 with no dpf.
Not sure about the DPF clean, but when I bought my 2017 XE diesel on 10k miles from the local main agent, I decided the service intervals were absurdly long for a diesel engine, so took out a service plan that included extra services between the Jaguar ones. Essentially these are oil and filter change plus an underbody assessment and brake check. So far all has been well, and I have had no faults whatsover, (knocks head on wood). Car is now on 63k. Maybe time to sell-on !
Range rover Evoque has this awful engine
It's a crap engine, nothing can fix that other than a new engine.
Step one should be DPF and EGR delete
@DoubleG79234 Yes but unfortunately you'd lose any warranty but cars out of warranty then I agree with you completely