My Ingenium Engine Experience... Deb's £30,000 Jaguar Disaster Story
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That woman is awesome I hope she gets what she’s owed, keep fighting the good fight. ❤
Isn’t Deb fun?! You shoulda heard the 45 minute chat we had once the cameras stopped, she’s awake and a good ‘un
Thank you!
Debra, Mazda make a nice red car 😊
she is, I feel sorry for her. Hoping she buys a toyota or lexus next and enjoys the 10 year warranty
RE: WRONG TURBO DIAGNOSIS. Geoff. The reason the turbos get identified as failing is because they are very oily engines. If you remove the air intake pipe (feed into turbo) on any 2.0d you'll see oil everywhere and it would lead a tech to blame the turbo - ive done it myself. HOWEVER on almost every occasion the turbo is not to blame. The engines are just very oily. The main issue is the DPF and blow by leaks. Basically exhaust gas gets into the engine and mixes with the oil. This can dilute the oil but the main issue is that it turns the oil into sludge. Hard silicone type pieces form in the oil. Once this happens it's just a matter of time until it blocks the oil veins and the bottom end seizes and locks the big end. THE GOOD PART... usually when this happens the engine can be fixed. Infact you can now buy rebuild kits for £1600. This includes new oil pump chain, cranks, pistons etc... The only problem is it WILL happen again UNLESS you change your oil every 6000 miles or so. As I mentioned we have a XE in now with this exact problem. I'm going to upload some videos to show people the problems.
I think 2yrs/20,000 miles between oil changes on a diesel is madness. JLR strikes again with outstanding engineering and customer service.
The Ingenium engine never managed 20,000 miles between oil changes. Oil dilution so bad the service indicator comes on 5000-7000 miles. I did an oil change at home to save money and there was over 9 litres of oil that came out!!!
Absolutely crazy. Minimum 8-10k miles or 1 year minimum
@@beetleything1864 And people thought I was mad having my car oil and filter changed every 6.5K miles.
Every 6000 and I use 5w 40 against jlrs advice just in case I get overfueling plus in Australia and south Africa that's the oil they still recommend
Agree. 2yr/20,000 on a poorly designed and well known faulty engine. I wonder how long the engine would run if it had 8,000 mile oil changes?! But then that's ridiculous as some people would be doing oil changes every 5-6 months.
I've been in the motor trade 40 years as a mechanic. I've always told my customers to change oil and filter every 6000 miles. Never had a fault due to bad engine oil.
I do my caddy pd engine every 8000. Runs lovely
But the car makers tell you 20.000 miles
I have never paid attention to service indicators. I just Change the oil @ 6000 or sooner if I've been doing a lot of short trips.
Driven multiple cars up to 350k miles and sold /traded them while the were still running well.
Those service indicators are programmed to minimise cost on service plans.
The Ingenium engines only make it to about 6000 miles as the oil dilution makes the service indicator come on then. There’s a couple litres of diesel sloshing around in your oil by then!
That’s spot on. Garages. Repair garages. Mechanics. Change oil their own car every 6k. Just dropping oil change filter. Done. I’d not be surprised where bored at 4000 miles they’d just do it. Why not. They do. Cars love more services than less. And 6k sounds great.
JLR is selling "Lifestyle" products to non car people, and JLR knows this.
Here's a bit of advice, NEVER EVER by a car from Jaguar Landrover, unless it is a car before 2000!!!!
That's excellent advice. I particularly like Jaguars made between 1988 and 1998. I briefly had use of a 1989 (F reg) XJ-6 with the 2.9 litre engine paired with a stick shift. It was bobby basic with the tweed interior instead of leather, but it was beautifully comfortable, and great fun to drive. It flowed along a back-road like no other car I've ever driven. For the 6 months I had it, despite high miles, it never once missed a beat. It was a very very sad day when I had to give it back. It was a wonderful car.
As long as its not a Defender CB (Constantly Broken)
Even then...
My last two cars were a XE , then an E-Pace. Currently an Evoque.
I always lease (pch) for three years, then return it and start again.
I alway keep my capital in my bank. Drive around in a newish car. And all the components are covered, except wear and tear items.
I personally would never buy a car again.
I have owned 2 X-Types (2.0 diesel, 2.2 diesel) 2 XJ's (3.0 V6, 3.5V8) and never had a single issue. All four were manufactured in the 2000's
2 year and 20k intervals is mental.
My 30 year old Sprinter van with 1.4 million miles hasn't had an oil change, let alone service in 5 years, starts every time, never lets me down.
It does loose a lot of oil from leaks though, maybe that's the secret of longevity. No smoke, oil is clean as new, but a trail all down the street... It probably annoys the Neighbors but a litre of oil every 500 miles is cheaper than fixing all the seals.
it is!
Also.... I keep getting flyers stuck under its wipers from those car buying companies... " Do you want to sell your van?"
Its battered and hammered all over, with rusty bits and paint put on with a brush.... Its got moss growing on it....
None of my smart looking cars have ever had one of these notices put on them.
Back when I worked in recovery, there was 5 recovery trucks queuing at the dealership waiting to unload. At Land Rover
Is that the 7 seater Land Rover Recovery model.
......my 2004 Lexus GS470 has just rolled over 410,000 with only service items
Few seized callipers and regular oil changes and they go forever.🤣 I had 2004 IS300 and still regret selling it but needed something bigger as family was growing.
Wow - now that’s how it should be!
Toyota (lexus) were fantastic around those years. The D4D up to 2014 could easily do 600k with feck all maintenance, abuse it, never service it, no problems at all. . . Obviously you disable the egr the first time it causes a problem, after that nothing. .... Nothing at all, that motor will keep running fine with 10 years or 200k miles between changes.
The 2014 to 2019 ones did have a problem though, just one of those things... Know the vehicle you want to buy.
I was going to say, if someone is after reliability surely they will go for a Toyota or Lexus.
The world needs more Debra Leighfield's ❤
A common cause of turbo failure is revving the engine as soon as it is started, this spins the turbo up before the oil has reached the bearings, and not allowing the engine to idle for a few seconds before switching the engine off, this cuts off the oil supply from the turbo while it is still spinning fast. Always let the engine idle for a few seconds after starting and before switching the engine off.
do you remember "turbo timers"?
@@soulcrew1000 had one but driving 300+hp turbo cars for the last 21 years all I do is not go full throttle when engine is cold wait 10min of driving and at the end wait 15s if I drove "spiritedly" before parking if I drove slowly I just shut the engine off immediately never had a turbo problem even when my evo ran 32psi@8026rpm
@@soulcrew1000 those were for once you've been out in it, turbo timer let them cool down (or let temp come down gradually) when you parked up
Dude your missing the point. The turbos are not failing. They are blaming the turbo but its not. The turbos fail because of lack of oil because oil veins get blocked. Exhaust gasses get into the oil and creates a thick sludge. That causes all the failures
99.9% of drivers don't give a damn and the turbos work for ages just fine. engines ARE designed to get in, start and go. then you stop, turn it off and get out. as long as you don't rev the sh*t out of it when it's cold there will be no harm. as long as you haven't been racing the car on a track, or just have stopped after doing 100 miles on a motorway at 100 mph you can just switch it off and get out without any waiting for it to cool down because there's nothing to cool down really. and the 'turbo timers' - yeah, another useless gimmick to make some money just like your magic oil additives or chip - resistors increasing the power and lowering consumption ;)
I must have said, 'I LOVE HER! ' 3 times while this video played. Sincerely thankful she exists.
Thank you Deb!!!!
Thank you. A two month crash course and I almost know what I’m talking about 🤣
They extend the oil servicing to make them apear cheap to companies. Ignore the service intervals and do it alot earlier than they state. On any car brand
Why anyone buys JLR products is beyond me. Barum engines on RUclips had one in and the state of it inside was despicable.
Reliability is another casualty of Net Zero.
Forget the crap turbo engine my son-in-law just bought a 42000 Range Rover Evoque and the wheel bearings front have failed…..I myself have a 2005 RAV4 with 275000 which I bought with 90000 miles on the clock and to my knowledge I’ve never charged a wheel bearings or anything else apart from regular servicing…..why on earth can’t JLR build cars anymore 😮
2009 caddy maxi just replaced a front bearing at 250k just about to change the other at 280k
Bearings are quite susceptible to driving style, road surface, mass and alignment/set-up geometry. Off the top of my head the evoque uses ford bearings that are found in all sorts of crossovers
Most people don’t understand forget about the manufactures service schedule, any engine with a turbo the oil and oil filter should be changed every 5000 miles, ask turbo manufacturers!
Nailed it. 👍
Best of luck Deb, keep fighting.
One of the nicest cars I've ever driven was a 1989 Jaguar XJ-6. It had the 2.9 litre XK Straight Six engine, and stick-shift transmission. It was very high miles, but 100% reliable because it was well engineered, well put together, and had been very well maintained. That car was on the road for 30 years before the grim reaper came calling. Why can't Jaguar make stuff like that any more? They've gone from making some of the world's greatest cars, to producing absolute rubbish.
The 2.9 was an AJ6 engine.
@@paulie-Gualtieri. You're right. Oops. I think it was still based on the XK block though, but probably heavily re-worked.
@@matthewgodwin3050
Half of the V12 too
Literally just saw one of these Jaguar's getting loaded onto the back of a recovery truck.
I change my oil and filter every 2000 miles on my s2 rs turbo.. I actually enjoy jacking it up on the driveway at home and doing it myself
I bought a Transit Custom in 2013, Oil dilution was an issue that fortunately I picked up on very early, I had the first oil change at 15k (Ford say 30k) I noticed the DPF regeneration nearly every day caused by the oil level increasing, long run in hot traffic! the oil level drops!
I worked out that keeping the oil level at 3/4 stops it happening, I believe this has saved any issues! Still got the van 155k miles on the clock. You can check for oil dilution with a simple paper check, essentially drip oil from the dipstick onto office paper, diesel will form a halo around the black spot when held up to the light. OPIE oils sell a kit with instructions that is essentially a piece of blotting paper on a card!!!
It is shameful how customers are being treated. I do an oil and filter change on my Evoque every 6 months because the oil dilution will wreck your engine if you dont.
Please Debra you do them. It's fooking outrageous what is going on.
The sump plugs have a magnet. The metal shards are from the crank bearings. As mentioned the oil veins get blocked. The turbos failing is a CONSEQUENCE of the dpf and blow by getting into the oil, the turbo is NOT the reason for engine failure.
Thank you - I’ve got it in writing - it’s nothing to do with DPF 🤦♀️
@DebraLeighfield I wouldn't believe anything JLR say. I look at it like this. Under 40k miles turbos do not fail UNLESS they run short of oil.
How this shite gets passed and retailed for sale is anyone’s guess will stick with my straight 6 in my X300 when jaguar made proper bulletproof engines!
One of the best videos on your channel. Debra is a total star ..... Love it !!!! 😂
I hope you get this resolved, as a good rule of thumb a JLR Diesel that does a lot of town work (short journeys) should have a change every 4k miles. Its actually in the service schedule and is considered 'arduous driving' if a lot of short journeys are taken. If you do motorway miles and travel min 30miles then you can go a lot longer, oil dilution is a real thing, hope you get a good resolution with JLR and DIck Lovett :)
Once had a turbo failure on an old Discovery, which was covered by a warranty. They would not pay out because "It was not part of the main engine. "
Just a warning to anyone on here who is still a n00b. Ignore the manufacturer service intervals. There was an EU directive ordering manufacturers to reduce oil usage so they created fictional service intervals to meet it. In no world should an emissions diesel go 20,000 miles between oil changes. 10,000 max. Your fuel filter on a diesel is probably every 2 years along with your air filter and cabin filter if you want to penny pinch but the oil and filter must be changed.
The "sealed transmissions" that they are selling you. Also BS. For example if you have a BMW with a 7 or 8 speed automatic. BMW tells you the fluid never needs changing ever. Then it will blow up after about 100,000 miles. BMW blamed ZF who made it but ZF say you must change the fluid and you can buy the service kit for it from them directly.
My mate has a Renault van which they say has an 18,000 mile oil change interval. I do it for him every 8000 on average.
These companies are lying to you. The extended service intervals probably contribute to the early failure rates of these engines. One thing I have observed about several of these ingenium engines is significant oil dilution with diesel fuel. It probably doesn't help - especially given how poor the quality of our diesel fuel is in England.
Ironically the push to save oil must be so they can use it in the Windmills -
They need the oil changed in the gearbox every 3 MONTHS and it takes 800 litres !!
They dont tell you that when they say they are "GREEN" the just stop oil -mob obviously dont know that FACT
NO OIL = NO WINDMILL = NO ELECTRIC
21,000 miles between oil changes on a modern diesel engine is utterly ridiculous !!. Oil dilution from dpf regenerations by that mileage would mean that the crankcase oil is almost neat diesel !. I change my oil every 3000 miles on my old Saab diesel, with a dpf etc, and would never even consider 10,000 miles between changes, let alone over 20,000 !!. My Saab is 17 years old, still on the original engine, and runs like a dream after 120,000 miles.
Excellent video, thanks a lot. What a mess. It's cost-cutting at the very least on their part, they certainly don't care about brand image any more. TATA have asset-stripped JLR and British Steel.
Toyota USA had faulty engines in the Tundra and Lexus models. They didn’t repair them…. They replaced over 100,000
I can't add a picture. But some one with a grievance put an old caravan outside the entrance to Hatfield's JLR Shrewbury a couple of months ago. With colourfull writing stating "don't buy land rover or range rover. They do not uphold their worranty". They wrapped it to cover it up, but that got pulled off. Was there a few weeks. A bit embarrassing for the establishment. But we'll warrantied from what you have brought forward in this and other video's. Not sure if you had heard of this.
Honestly I’ll be hiring a wrecking ball and taking that to my car if this doesn’t go well 🤣
No Debra dont do it🎉❤@@DebraLeighfield
I had a 2016 Disco Sport with Ingenium engine which I bought new. Never managed more than 5000-7000 miles between oil changes as oil dilution so bad even though it was driven on long motorway trips. Land Rover refused to help in any way or take the car back. I sold it as soon as the warranty expired as it was a ticking time bomb!
I watched a video from Dave’s auto in Utah and he did a video of a Jaguar diesel with engine failure at low mileage. We don’t have many diesel cars in the US, but it sounds like a big problem. Now I know why people lease cars. Not worth the hassle of dealing with modern poor quality.
Yup, Dave's channel is one of my favourites because he's a *proper old school mechanic who's seen pretty much everything* and explains the horrors that he sees in simple layman's terms, just like my Dad.
The guy's a legend IMHO... 😊👍
I worked at JLR when these started to come in and last soon after .
The garratt/mitsubishi turbo is actually not far off the same spec and both make good turbos.
The engine has many many faults. Oil dilution being the main one not helped by the DPF struggling to get hot enough.
Chains are susceptible to wear due to the oil dilution.
The emissions equipment is the cause of most problems
if this a 2.0 issue or is the 3.0 ok?
I have a 2022 defender d250, do an interim annual oil change and touch wood it's been rock solid to date except a dodgy reverse sensor that was replaced without issue
@@MrDead1975 the 3.0 is generally a little better but I’ve never looked into why. Maybe the DPF heat cycle is a little easier with the extra capacity.
One thing that’s for sure service it every 10k it 100% helps to reduce the issues
I think buying a £30k car for cash wouldn't put any strain on my savings yet I choose to drive an 09 plate petrol vectra. over 7 years of ownership it cost me £850 to purchase an maybe £2k in maintenance (this is how much an average person spends only on annual payments for their car without servicing costs) . And I'm a car guy - cars and bikes are my hobby, I do all the work apart from tyres and alignment myself - so if anything breaks I don't have to worry about the labour costs. I know you work to have nice things, to show off a bit that you're doing well - but too many people seem to value that over peace of mind and mental wellbeing. So they take too expensive cars on finance because why not and when it breaks they're suffering not only financially but also mentally. Is it really worth it? Each to their own - not for me. About the 21k miles oil change interval in diesels - dayum - and I feel guilt when I stretch my 6k miles interval by a thousand in my 100k miles PETROL 15 year old banger because I was lazy 😂
What's also astonishing is the fact JLR cars seem to sell very well, to me it's hard to understand how come there's so many of them on the British roads despite them not rectifying big issues with the 3 litre diesel for over a decade! they used to either seize crankshafts on main bearings or the crankshafts just randomly snapped - these were never addressed and yet people kept buying them.
I had twenty years of bottom rung Peugeot estates. All xud engined diesels. Used and abused but they always scrubbed up ok when I got round to it , sometimes even twice a year. Did the head on one once and quite a few belts but they were trouble free. I always used to be very grateful that someone had paid a lot of money for a new car so ten years later I could get it at 100 k for six hundred quid. And spend the money saved on interesting motorcycles!
@@highdownmartin that's a good point and I fully agree - I do appreciate those who buy new cars. If it wasn't for them we wouldn't be able to drive cheap used cars 👍
I really love my 53 year old C20. It's parked right outside the door at work. I can look up anytime, and see it smiling at me.
Honda C20? I had a C90 at university.
After dealing with a Mercedes stealership many moons ago I've learnt DON'T TRUST ANY.
That's really odd because I have delt with the same Mercedes main dealer for about fifteen years, no problems at all.
They often provide a good service whilst ripping you off.
@@orwellboy1958 exactly youve had no problem!
Its when you have a problem and how they deal with that problem, thats the issue.
Yet another reminder not to buy from JLR. Debs is awesome and she sounds determined not to get ripped off. 👍
Kids, listen up. You never, I repeat, never wait 20k miles plus or two years between services. If you want your car to last and not have engine failure, do not follow the manufactures "recommended" service schedule unless it's between 3k-5k miles. If you change your oil within that range and it blows up, it's not your fault, it just a crap car and you should probably never by that brand again. Oil will break down, and filters that remove metal fragments will get less efficient. Even if it's full synthetic, it will damage your engine.
My mate just bought a brand new rangerover it lasted two days 😂😂😂😂😂
Not bad going, twice as long as the average.
What happened? Did it break down or get nicked?
email me!
So basically he's aways had rangerovers cos he's a cheshire snob 😅 and has noticed the quality going down over the years and he bought his latest addition from a dealer in Chester two days later it was back with them they gave him a brand new defender as a courtesy car and after a month demanded it back while they scratched their heads on trying to fix his new rangerover. Obviously he's fuming and I'm laughing as I've got a twenty five year old defender it's like new and never let's me down. Too much technology has ruined the modern car they need to stop re inventing the wheel.
Luxury tax, just another gov extortion racket...
👍👍
Sounds like the turbo failed due to bad oil, which is from something else that's diluting the oil?! (Coolant?). I feel we're not covered by the consumer group, this is an engine that is well known to have issues, only cost £1500 to make, poorly designed, etc etc, so how is this not a "known issues" you can claim against?! Seems like the watchdog is overrun, so nothing is being done, and also that JLR are somehow able to control the outcomes of the consumer watchdogs findings?!
This is nothing new about JLR products this has been happing for many years with Land Rover yet people still keep buying them!! WHY???
So they can put photos of it on their social media. Fair play to jlr, they can make crap cars and people still buy them.
"Look at me" people.
I could only afford one of these cars in my dreams. Grateful for that!!
Service interval of 21,000 miles is beyond ridiculous. By comparison, my 11 year old Golf diesel interval is 9,000 and still runs great at 170,000 miles.
@john .... I hate stories like yours ! I once had a SEAT Altea turbo diesel (an VW Golf under the skin). I had the car regularly serviced yearly - as per schedule. just a few weeks after it's third birthday (warranty now expired) and only just over 30,000 miles, the turbo blew . The local dealership tried to get SEAT to fund the replacement, but all they would contribute was about £100. I can't remember the total repair cost (I try not to remember bad things !) but I think it was just over £1000 ..
I've had my 320cd ( bmw ) since 2010. Was told oil/filter/service every 20.000.( full synthetic) i ignored that , and changed oil every 8/10 thousand. service every 20.000 ). It's still ( touch wood ) running as sweet as a nut. I'm not a mechanic, but im sure if you ask one, they will tell you oil change every 6 to 8 thousand mls. ??. It's so important and understressed. 👍
Class Action needed
Oil and filter on any car change every six months regardless of mileage, might cost £50 -£60 in parts, but cheaper in the long run.
I have every sympathy for anyone with car problems, whatever the brand. It seems JLR have particular problems. I have bought Honda’s for the last 23 years, Type Rs, standard Civics, my wife drives a Jazz, I currently have a CRZ…never had a problem with any of them. I guess I’ve been lucky.
my 2.2 diesel civic is a wolf in sheep's clothing
I have a civic , it’s the best car I’ve had , it does everything well 184.000 miles so far 👍🏻
I currently own a 2004 civic 1.7cdti with 180k miles. I don't think it's luck mate. If you want cheap realiable motoring go Japanese. I've also owned Lexus and Subarus, and they've all been great. And they've all been manufactured between 2002 and 2009. I think that's when we've reached the peak of motoring.
I just saw last sundy a 2003 Honda Civic Type R EP3 it didn't look new...but it's 21 years old !!!! for a sport hatchback that's very old
Honda are just as bad in Australia. We had a customer in an odyssey with a broken sunroof, it too a year for them to supply one (the car wasn't that old at the time and this was several years ago).
JLR are a disgrace.
Absolutely, and mugs keep buying them because of image.
Strength in numbers, we've been devided that's why we're getting shafted from all directions, 🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧🇬🇧
I live very close to JLR HQ, and all the local 'owners' seem happy with their goodwill offers or deals, most seem to get 80%, perhaps you should register your car in Warwickshire 😮, the factory support seems kinder.....😅
And back street garages are now morally superior to the main Dealer.....?!?! 😮
The final word is don't buy a jaguar.
Deborah. Oh Deborah. Keep it up. You’re properly on the ball
21,000 miles between oil changes ????, i always do mine at 6,000, how much is a gallon of oil and a filter vurses a new engine ?
i just posted the same thing. makes no sense.
good for you, most people will service as per the makers suggestions though.
If the manual says 21,000 miles why do it any more frequently than that? These issues are not because of oil changes
Always change mine at 3 to 5 thousand miles and also at service change 2 litres autobox gear oil.
21, 000 miles is too long between oil changes. The oil may stay in grade but in suspension will be carbon , metal particles and combustion by products which will damage the engine. Turbos place extra heat stress on oils and dilution with diesel may occur on warm up if lots of short journeys are made. Diesels should not be sold to people who do lots of short journeys as carbon builds up in head , manifold and DPF . Long service oils were for developed to cut costs for fleet buyers who are not interested in long engine life as sold after a few years.
£1500 a year for warranty !!! That's a bit of a clue.
exactly, buy a Toyota and get 10 years for free!
Would anyone pay big money if it had a Tata badge?
No. That's why they bought the badge.
Would anyone pay big money if it said Geely?.
If it's no,why would you buy a new Volvo?
people pay big money for Ferrari that's a fiat, Lamborghini that's an Audi.
No offense, but you jlr's perfect customer, bought for the colour!!!
🤦♀️😂 yer - not doing that again!
Even so, she deserves to be treated better than this.
@@DebraLeighfield fair play to you for coming on the channel though.
Anyone who knew anyone who worked for Jaguar Land Rover knows to avoid the brand.
MG is Chinese by the way, even worse!
At the end of the day just stick to Toyota honda and lexus
Fantastic guest very knowledgeable
That service schedule (21,000 miles) is ridiculous, I have a Hyundai i30N and the service schedule is every 12 months or 10,000 miles I change my oil and filter every 5,000 miles. The fine tolerances in modern engines you have to keep the oil clean think of engine oil as blood and the oil pump as a heart, carbon deposits block the oil galleries and the oil pump dies, oil dilution is a big problem with modern diesels due to short journeys and failed DPF regenerations, there is too many emissions devices on diesels and they fail. Land Rovers & Jaguars are rolling piles of 5h1t 💩 People need to vote with their feet stop buying these vehicles they will either improve their products or go bankrupt, but people need the latest Land Rover or Jaguar to keep up with the Jones's.
Great comment. Said the same.
I feel her pain.
I was a three year old XF owner (2.7 diesel engine).
My dream car.
In under three years, it had over £10k’s worth of catalogued repairs and then, I kid you not, a few weeks out of the warranty, and as I was looking to get out of it, the engine died.
Full Jaguar Service.
An AA inspection diagnosed a DPF fault causing diesel to bleed into the engine oil. A JLR mechanic verbally agreed (I couldn’t get it in writing).
Jaguar wanted in excess of £12k to fix it so I decided to scrap it.
A 6 year old Jaguar sold for scrap.
Never, Ever Again. 👎
this lady keeps mentioning oil samples not being taken, you don't need an oil sample to find metal in the oil if she happens to read comments. You only need to look at the filter for metal and you can tell where it has likely come from if it is magnetic or type of metal etc.
I don't know if she is better not knowing about this stuff or learning a lot more to help her case, wish her luck though.
Learning a lot more - I’ve got the road running and slowing information is getting in. Anything to help me understand better is always welcome - thank you.
@@DebraLeighfield unfortunately many many many people have suffered with JLR with these engines (and the v6 snapped cranks in the bigger cars). my sister in law bought exactly the same car as you have, I warned her to look into these engines but she liked the car.... ticking bill bombs unfortunately.
good luck and keep fighting!
Oh god, just tuned in. Can’t put up with her for 30 mins. Onto the MacMaster instead.
Is he still moaning about his Porsche EV .... 😂
Oh no, his videos are FAR too long, just to say something he could have said in 5 minutes.
The good thing about long videos or boring ones. There’s an off switch!
"Make sure your cellphone is charged when you're driving one." xD
Actually got a great business idea: Buy a couple old cars and put "my new car broke, so I'm now driving this" stickers all over it, then rent them to people angry at the manufacturers. Local JLR Dealers might look like 850 Club Meetings.
Management car. 😂. All preregistered cars are
Listen up people and do not ignore regardless of the miles the service is due (regardless of whether you still ise the dealer for servicing) it is CRITICAL between that mileage gap between servicing (whatever it is) that you drain of the oil and replace it every 3-5kmax miles (dont even bother with the filter til the filters due (ie the service is due) A fool will ignore this advice.......Top tip buy the oil in mimi bulk 20ltr at a time highly recommend Mannol excellent bang for buck.....to avoid a bang.....
I feel JLR are absolutely hiding their issues and letting their customers down. Yearly for an oil change on my V40 d4. 2 years is a mental amount of time for oil to maintain its lubrication properties.
My Mercedes Vito went 28000miles until it requested its first service! Seems insane
Did you wait until then ? If so you have probably shortened the lifespan a reasonable amount
Its on a 3 year lease so its not going to be my issue, its 2.5 years old with 45k and has only had 1 service and a full set of brake pads
In 2019, my wife's 2016 v60 had the rings fail under warranty and we went back and forth with Volvo. In the end, Volvo replaced the engine after 10 months. After 180,000 miles, I've replaced it with a CPO xc60. I wish Jag\LR would step up and hopefully they don't lose complete trust with their customers. :(
Yeh this is a terrible story but indeed, don't buy new cars or even cars from 10 years ago. They are built to die after a certain number of hours/days/years by people with bean counters. The golden era of build quality and reliability was around the early 2000's.
I had a brand new 2016 F-Pace and Discovery Sport. Both had the 2 ltr ingenium engine. Whilst it was “thrashy” at low speed, it would happily cruise at 80 and give mpg. Neither had any issues in 3 years of ownership …. So this engine issue must be a more recent thing I guess 🧐
1500 a year warranty says it all to me - so sorry you have been crapped on though - gl !!
So when I bought my first Diesel car in 2010, it was a service interval of 6000mi, I bought a 2017 Bmw in Febuary this year, now they recommend 12000mi, NOW IM HEARING 21000mi services? Theres a pattern there somewhere.
Im buying a 2005 peugeot HDi 8 valve and selling my 2020 16 valve one which will put about 7k in my bank and stop costing me $$$ constantly. Modern cars are shit. Buy a 20 year old one cheap and stop fixing it all the time.
I have to agree. Peak cars were about 2010. After that they seem to be very fragile. I think it is a mix of legislation requirements and manufacturers desperately sourcing the cheapest possible parts to keep the profits rolling in.
great choice. those engines do 50mpg easily.
What a mad shambles of a company
Land Rover Discovery 200TDi's were exactly the same, constantly blowing up engines. My sisters car had 7 engines!
The 200 tdi is a great lump. There’s more to that than engine blaming
Yup... My brother has a '96 90 200tdi CSW that he's had from new (it's covered 230k miles now) that skipped a tooth (or more-likely 3...) on the timing chain at 6k miles and grenaded the engine on the motorway...
After an awful lot of grief, denials, ignoring him, and finally half a dozen Solicitor's letters, LR rebuilt the engine under warranty *on condition that he signed a Non-Dislosure Agreement to stop him from being interviewed by Land Rover Owner magazine about it as he had threatened...*
Apparently it was the EGR-valve(?) that LR fitted on the then-new 200tdi to meet the emissions regs that caused it (but I have my doubts about that...) and since he removed the EGR-thingy and blanked it off, along with changing the oil every 5-6k, the engine hasn't missed a beat, but he's always suspected that the rebuild *hadn't been done using bog-standard off-the-shelf parts...?*
Rubbish. With regular maintenance and timing belt changes a 200tdi will easily see 250K miles and many will do more. My 93 Defender has done 315K on original engine. You might be getting mixed up with the 19J (D Turbo) engine, which was an unreliable pile of poop?
@@therogers4432 That’ll be a a 300tdi. The 200 never had EGR and ceased production in 94. They both have timing belts not chains btw.
R56 Dooper 2010. Factory fitted JCW kit. Bought for a couple of grand 3 years ago as my daily. 137k miles. Running sweet. Owes me nothing and really looks a cool car in grey with the aerokit on. Fun to drive. Love it. EV owners and SUV leasers are mugs. 😂😂😂
All the best Deb's hope you get a good result
I’d get it inspected by an independent engineer - such as John Dabek. He could give you a report on the defect which would give expert evidence you could present to the court. I suspect if you started along that route they may chance their tune
This is my next step but as I have a case under review with the TMO, I can’t do anything but moan 🤦♀️🤣
@@DebraLeighfield hey! I can see why you wouldn’t want to because if you get the outcome you want you’ve wasted your money on an inspection.
But there’s no reason you can’t set up a second prong which would be a letter before action if you did need to issue proceedings, in advance of which arrange an inspection.
I would also consider either a pre action disclosure application (subject to their response to your letter before action). Or I’m always a fan of a subject access request to provide any documents where your name is mentioned - and that’s free to do.
If you want to drop me an inbox I’ll happily give you my number. I’m not coming to this as a lay person - so I may be able to give you some helpful pointers.
Pure madness... Amazed that JLR still have a head office and a factory standing, that hasn't been mobbed or burnt to the ground.
Keep making such wonderful videos. Your videos are like works of art.🏎🎁💧
Hi guys, watching from Scotland
Good for you. No one cares ..... 😂
I’ll keep my Toyota thanks. Manufacturer backed warranty after every service up to 10yrs/100k miles
Great blog and feel sorry about Debs situation with JLR, to be honest I never go by what what they say about servicing,I changed my oil every six months 😉 oils cheaper than a new engine
Always halve main stealers recommended service intervals especially on new engines, find a vat registered cheaper garage that stamps the service book for you and it won't void your warranty.
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this type of service interval on these engines is a joke, but if the lady followed the servicing schedule for the car then that is what most will do. However, it was only a matter of time anyway before an ingiboom grenades itself.
JLR is finished. R.I.P 🚗
2yrs/21,000 miles is insane! Even AMSOIL wouldn't advise you to do that! With their oil filter MAYBE but JLR use cheap oil filters,don't care what people think,JLR is there to make money. Where are the engines made anyway?? PLUS who remembers the oil changes BMW said in the early 90's?
Turbos fail, blocks the dpf, shards from the turbo find their way into the dump, if it's water cooled then the coolant would find it's way into the sump too
It's fairly common though
But 2 year servicing intervals is absolute madness 😮😮😮😮😮
Discovery Sport owner, fortunately the 2.2d from 2015.
Every time it breaks a down, the recovery tell us the engine is bullet proof. Shame about the rest.
Had it over 9 years now.
It didn’t breakdown between 6-9 years’ but had a new turbo a few weeks ago.
Fortunately, covered under warranty. I suspect the turbo was fine, no smoke, but a sensor was faintly.
But they changed it anyway; which is fine with me.
Over the years, issues with bonnet catch, rear hatch struts, window mech, gear lever selector, battery, multi media system, windscreen, alarm, windows and more.
Biggest one was a complete failure of the steering , when the column decided it no longer wanted to be attached to the rack.
3+ month fix. Fortunately covered by warranty.
Thousands of similar issues - bolts / box suffer from galvanic corrosion at circa 4+ years’; so when most are out of warranty. Big facebook group.
Dealerships have been great, but very expensive hourly rate, LR group not always so good.
Still under extended warranty - don’t have one without.
And even then, question your sanity.
But my wife loves it and enjoys having the LR courtesy cars.
Seems just as bad in America , the "lemon law" seems to cover them , sadly we don't have anything like that
Also they probably dropped the oil at the garage and they saw shiny flakes and went "it's got metal in it" and didn't bother testing the oil.
They have confirmed they have not removed the oil filer.
My dad has a 2015 xe 2ltr 180 diesel, bought from jaguar 4yr ago with FJSH and 27k miles, it had recently been serviced so I changed the filter and oil at 30k and then every 5k since, using genuine filter and quality oil, also I completely drain the oil via the sump plug not a oil suction pump. When he first bought it all the bolts on the under tray were rusty and obviously never been off, I suspect jaguar just suck the oil out which I did an experiment and tried, I then removed the sump plug to find around 3/4 of a pint of old oil was still left. !
Change your oil regularly, preventative maintenance. He’s now concerned after hearing about all the problems people are having, won’t be buying jaguar again !
2 yrs 20,000 miles services oof no no 8 to 10k no matter what or a year, also JLR are not the cars they were, all these new engines designed by accountants, (wet belts) etc etc, dealers know what they are selling sold me a Honda MK10 with recall outstanding Belt, & a knackered Condenser, I tackled Honda UK mentioned the US class action all repaired FOC, one of the Honda MK10 groups im on people are on 4th / 5th condenser's & 3rd belts.