Jimmy, same engine as I have in the Jag. diesels usually have piston cooling jets running all the time, but to save fuel economy they turn them off when they are not needed with a solenoid valve. if that failed and there's no cooling on the piston crowns, the Pistons will melt down. At best, it will just damage the pistons, stick the rings and score the cylinder walls. need to do a leak down test to see if that's why they sold the car. if you do the electrical cranking test, it will give you a good hint without having to pull the glow plugs. cylinder balance test. your Launch euro tab should do a balance test with your Launch battery tester I believe Jaguar says 10% low is acceptable. it's also possible the solenoid is just unplugged or a bad wire.
The shot of the tailpipes - any soot at all is all the evidence you need - don't need any scanner..... Halfords! LOL!!! After that he'll need the timing chain done! Avoid Avoid Avoid any Ingenium.
There’s a well known issue with the 2.0 Ingenium engine in the disco sport. The early ones were fitted with the same 2.2 PSA engine as the Freelander. When they changed over to the ingenium engine there wasn’t room to fit the DPF in the engine bay. The engineers wanted to redesign the bulkhead but were overruled on cost grounds. The DPF was fitted down the exhaust & therefore can struggle to get hot enough to do a proper regen. Result is lots of failed regens & oil dilution leading to premature engine failures. Buying one of them is a lottery unless you know it’s history.
Had a jag f pace for a week. Already seen too many issues although dealear promised me that the last owner just spend 4k replaced turbo chain and egr. Luckily gave it back and got a kia. Although they look lovely, doesn't worth the stress and cost of repairing them unless you can afford to buy brand new one. Good luck to all people who are on budget and would like to drive a fancy jlr vehichle like myslef. I was just a lucky one who gave it back on the right time.
Just got my timing chain, new turbo, new rocker arms and a new idle pulley. Cost me 4k. Gonna sell it on but at least whoever takes it on won’t have the timing chain issue for a good while
Surely if you you buy a high mileage car, then you should expect some issues, or items that need replacing. I see 115894 miles on the dash, Im not surprised there’s an issue with the DPF, this is not just a Land Rover issue, it’s all diesels that have them fitted.
All down to the use. I’m running a 2011 Freelander. It’s got 140k on it. I’ve never even had a DPF light on. Reason? I live in the countryside & tow regularly. The problem with a lot of these vehicles is that they’re lifestyle vehicles owned by people who use them primarily around towns & cities. That’s just a recipe for problems
Yep, bought my Disco Sport from Carbase and it had a cracked DPF. Long story but i had to use my RAC warranty to pay the majority of the £2.4K cost. Carbase contributed £750. Buyer beware!!
I had a Mazda CX5 Sport with dpf issues. A DPF clean company told me this is a problem for many Land Rovers and a lot of diesels that do low miles. I was advised by Mazda "don't buy a diesel". Maybe just for me @7k pa.
Wouldn't take me bicycle to halfords, ffs, Sad for the new owner,, I hope the people who sell vehicles became they're having problems reap the karma they deserve,
It’s a shame because the TD4 was a reliable engine even in the 2014-2016 evoque and Freelander 2. Discovery sport, RR sport anything after 2016 I wouldn’t touch with a barge pole. They’re live hand grenades that take £5000 a year to keep on the road
4 faults in less than 18 months on 2021 Disco Sport. Main dealers were a nightmare to deal with. Sold it for more than I paid. After owning 5 Landrovers NEVER AGAIN.
Buying used is now a nightmare for the those that don't have the tools or knowledge to do thorough checks on all aspects of the vehicle. Great video as always.
I just bought mine, only 75k got vibrations when i release the accelerator at around 50mph-65mph. Ive heard drive shaft bearings are an issue, could it be this?
But does the CRP129 EVO work on the 2018 onwards Discovery Sports with the Pathfinder system? i.e. can it force regeneration etc? Most independent garages can’t even reset service indicators on these….
I see this has already been asked and pleased that you replied with a yes as was looking to buy and was steered towards 2.0l because of better economy so have to rethink. I wished you were nearer as i have a pain of an amarok i just purchased and been a lot of trouble. Cheers
Jimmy can I ask if the pressure is reading 102 kpa that’s 1020 mbar at idle and at 3000 revs it’s at 105kpa would you say the dpf is cracked or the sensor not right .
@@ORileysAutosif one of the sensor pipe is open to the engine bay does that mean it'll be reading the difference between dpf and atmosphere? If so will the reading be higher as standard?
If buying a Range Rover second hand it just means you are inheriting someones else's problems you must have deep pockets to match your unwise choice and a spare car onhand
I wish you are near to us because my daughter Audi A6 2016 DTI she have dpf problem we tried to put redex dpf cleaner is was ok for couple of days but after is back again
Seems to be a lot well known issue with the 2.0 Ingenium engine unless your buying it new with the warranty i would stay well clear of anything with this chocolate engine in it
Reason number one why not to buy this car, is not much about reliability, I’m worry about how quickly these thing lose value in 4 years they can’t lost 40%, I don’t know about you guys but I don’t have endless pockets. To lose that kind of money.
Land rover parts made in China with a Land Rover logo on them. Land Rover run by accountants to make as much profit as possible with no thought of the customer.
Jimmy,
same engine as I have in the Jag. diesels usually have piston cooling jets running all the time, but to save fuel economy they turn them off when they are not needed with a solenoid valve. if that failed and there's no cooling on the piston crowns, the Pistons will melt down. At best, it will just damage the pistons, stick the rings and score the cylinder walls. need to do a leak down test to see if that's why they sold the car. if you do the electrical cranking test, it will give you a good hint without having to pull the glow plugs. cylinder balance test. your Launch euro tab should do a balance test with your Launch battery tester I believe Jaguar says 10% low is acceptable. it's also possible the solenoid is just unplugged or a bad wire.
I think we all wish he worked near us😂
The shot of the tailpipes - any soot at all is all the evidence you need - don't need any scanner..... Halfords! LOL!!! After that he'll need the timing chain done! Avoid Avoid Avoid any Ingenium.
There’s a well known issue with the 2.0 Ingenium engine in the disco sport.
The early ones were fitted with the same 2.2 PSA engine as the Freelander.
When they changed over to the ingenium engine there wasn’t room to fit the DPF in the engine bay.
The engineers wanted to redesign the bulkhead but were overruled on cost grounds.
The DPF was fitted down the exhaust & therefore can struggle to get hot enough to do a proper regen.
Result is lots of failed regens & oil dilution leading to premature engine failures.
Buying one of them is a lottery unless you know it’s history.
this is why i own a 2.2psa disco sport.. lol
@@jackgibb16me too 👍
Delete the dpf and the adblue while your there, you won't have any issues then
Be very wary of those Ingenium 2.0 diesels unless it’s had the timing chain & tensioners replaced. It’s a common failure at even low miles
Had a jag f pace for a week. Already seen too many issues although dealear promised me that the last owner just spend 4k replaced turbo chain and egr. Luckily gave it back and got a kia. Although they look lovely, doesn't worth the stress and cost of repairing them unless you can afford to buy brand new one. Good luck to all people who are on budget and would like to drive a fancy jlr vehichle like myslef. I was just a lucky one who gave it back on the right time.
Just got my timing chain, new turbo, new rocker arms and a new idle pulley. Cost me 4k. Gonna sell it on but at least whoever takes it on won’t have the timing chain issue for a good while
Surely if you you buy a high mileage car, then you should expect some issues, or items that need replacing. I see 115894 miles on the dash, Im not surprised there’s an issue with the DPF, this is not just a Land Rover issue, it’s all diesels that have them fitted.
I have multiple customers with 3 year old models that have had 4 dpf and egr coolers already.
All down to the use. I’m running a 2011 Freelander. It’s got 140k on it. I’ve never even had a DPF light on.
Reason?
I live in the countryside & tow regularly.
The problem with a lot of these vehicles is that they’re lifestyle vehicles owned by people who use them primarily around towns & cities.
That’s just a recipe for problems
116k miles is not high. Not for Volvo D5 engines.
VERY high for a 2.0 Ingenium diesel 🙂@@lint8391
DPF’s prefer higher mileages as they warm up properly and the regen ‘s are generally not disturbed.
Yep, bought my Disco Sport from Carbase and it had a cracked DPF. Long story but i had to use my RAC warranty to pay the majority of the £2.4K cost. Carbase contributed £750. Buyer beware!!
I had a Mazda CX5 Sport with dpf issues. A DPF clean company told me this is a problem for many Land Rovers and a lot of diesels that do low miles. I was advised by Mazda "don't buy a diesel". Maybe just for me @7k pa.
LR should issue scan tools as part of the tool kit
I am planning for discovery sport 2017 diesel do you think I should leave it?
People, please don't lump diesel Ingeniums (pre 2018) with petrol Ingeniums for reliability. Chalk and cheese. HTH
Shocking for what passes as a quality marque nowadays...
Harrowing even. 😢
when where they quality ?
@@thomascaulfield9277 Back when we relied on them in war?
@@HaggisMuncher-69-420 true a drove a late 60s one when i was a mobile plant fitter never let me down unlike the freelander rubish
Made in India
@@kevinharker1840 Last time I checked, Halewood was in Merseyside mate.
Wouldn't take me bicycle to halfords, ffs,
Sad for the new owner,,
I hope the people who sell vehicles became they're having problems reap the karma they deserve,
Someone probably cut the dpf out by the state of that exhaust 🤦♂️
It’s a shame because the TD4 was a reliable engine even in the 2014-2016 evoque and Freelander 2.
Discovery sport, RR sport anything after 2016 I wouldn’t touch with a barge pole. They’re live hand grenades that take £5000 a year to keep on the road
Dpf and egrs just blank them and change ur oil every 10k job sorted
4 faults in less than 18 months on 2021 Disco Sport. Main dealers were a nightmare to deal with. Sold it for more than I paid. After owning 5 Landrovers NEVER AGAIN.
why would you buy DISCO car - do you want to party! better to invest Toyota Landcruiser
Did you fix the issues beforehand?
Buying used is now a nightmare for the those that don't have the tools or knowledge to do thorough checks on all aspects of the vehicle.
Great video as always.
Just traded mine in 2 weeks ago. Never buying a LR or a diesel again.
Been trying to buy LaunchUK DPF fluid recently, they sadly don't ship outside the UK, which in your opinion is the second best DPF fluid? Wynn's?
They're supposed to start selling it in other countries sometime soon I hope
I used to use wynns
Sorry for the owner. Nothing more disheartening when you realise you've bough a lemon (I've been there....)
Not sorry for someone who doesn't do pre-purchase inspection. Even my wife knows never to touch Land Rover products.
I think I’ll stick with my PSA derived Ford 2.2 tdci Ford Mondy.
Granted it’s given me sensor & DPF headaches. It’s currently behaving its self 😫
Cooling jets that turn off what the hell are they thinking
I just bought mine, only 75k got vibrations when i release the accelerator at around 50mph-65mph. Ive heard drive shaft bearings are an issue, could it be this?
The main thing to look for when buying a Land Rover is literally any other brand of car.
Weirdly I’ve had multiple models of Land Rover. They’re no worse than any other brand (Disco Sport aside).
lol...... MOUNTBATTENS it go BANG.
@@hughmarcus1 Yes they are - much worse than any other car.
But does the CRP129 EVO work on the 2018 onwards Discovery Sports with the Pathfinder system? i.e. can it force regeneration etc? Most independent garages can’t even reset service indicators on these….
You ever come across problems with the diesel hyundai i40 jimmy
Very rare car around here I don't see them around
@@ORileysAutos thanks Jimmy
Is the 2.2l engine a better option? Thank you for another great video.
I see this has already been asked and pleased that you replied with a yes as was looking to buy and was steered towards 2.0l because of better economy so have to rethink. I wished you were nearer as i have a pain of an amarok i just purchased and been a lot of trouble. Cheers
Jimmy can I ask if the pressure is reading 102 kpa that’s 1020 mbar at idle and at 3000 revs it’s at 105kpa would you say the dpf is cracked or the sensor not right .
Sounds like a bad sensor. Couldn't possibly be that high
@@ORileysAutos that’s the reading on the scann tool and that the otofixD1 max .
@@cliffperry8470 is it a 4.4 range rover? I think they read atmospheric Pressure
@@ORileysAutos ford galaxy 2010 and thank you very much for all ur replies.
@@ORileysAutosif one of the sensor pipe is open to the engine bay does that mean it'll be reading the difference between dpf and atmosphere? If so will the reading be higher as standard?
If buying a Range Rover second hand it just means you are inheriting someones else's problems you must have deep pockets to match your unwise choice and a spare car onhand
I wouldn't buy a brand new one never mind a used one they are total garbage
It’s not a Range Rover 😂
That’s any used car.
Every "LAND ROVER" gets a free bag of spanner's.........
Thats all new diesels
Do the Petrol versions of the Disco Sport have the same issues?
We have the petrol ingenium and it's fantastic, no it doesn't have a DPF as it's only for diesels
I bought one, engine blew just out of warranty. Got rid of it as soon as possible.
What’s a good reliable 4x4 to buy around the same budget as this?
Toyota RAV4 petrol hybrid. Brilliant Cars
Such a dog act selling a car knowing it has problems.
Are the ones fitted with the older 2.2 any good?
Yes brilliant
@@ORileysAutos great, thanks for your fast response :)
Is the 2.2 gas or diesel?
@@ToOpen6seven It’s a diesel.
Stunning how poor this engine and particularly the EGV valve is for a 'Premium Brand'
Ingenium engines, should come with an open wallet surgery warning.
I wish you are near to us because my daughter Audi A6 2016 DTI she have dpf problem we tried to put redex dpf cleaner is was ok for couple of days but after is back again
Bottle of Forte DPF cleaner and an Italian tune up(high revs in 5th for a few miles)
Thanks we will try it I have to order it in Amazon gbu sir
Stay away from these cars.Its no wonder people get rid of them when the warranty runs out.
Seems to be a lot well known issue with the 2.0 Ingenium engine unless your buying it new with the warranty i would stay well clear of anything with this chocolate engine in it
Dpf are a pain in the ass I lost my truck due to constant problems and money wasted 3 garages could not fix it
If it was an amarok then i think i bought it lol
halfords ,,,,they are a joke,,,,,you may be better taking your car to a brick layer
Hey, I'm a bricklayer and I look after my car just fine 😂😂
It's not JLR products, look at Renaults!
Reason number one why not to buy this car, is not much about reliability, I’m worry about how quickly these thing lose value in 4 years they can’t lost 40%, I don’t know about you guys but I don’t have endless pockets. To lose that kind of money.
Answer your Phone Jimmy mate i just broken down.
Land rover parts made in China with a Land Rover logo on them. Land Rover run by accountants to make as much profit as possible with no thought of the customer.
biggest load of crap on the road JLR have fucked themselves with this engine as have ford with the eco boost and peugeot with the puretech
One of THE worst cars for reliability ever made.
Bought a JLR vehicle, said no sane person ever....
Sell it and buy a Dacia Duster. Better build quality 😅
These vehicles are crap, avoid especially a diesel.
Get all that junk mapped out and you are laughing.....once youve changed the timing chain
Or buy an older 2.2 model
Vorrei venire a lavorare x te🎉
Nothing but Beautiful Junk from JLR unfortunately
buying a MOUNTBATTEN? ....... I DON'T THINK SO. they go BANG and then you are left searching the country for bits.
Ingenium engines are so bad .
Nice one
Thanks for watching