Lufthansa’s SURPRISING Premium Economy Experience
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Airline: Lufthansa, LH
Aircraft: Airbus A330-300
Aircraft registration: D-AIKG
Flight date: November 2023
Route: Frankfurt Am Main Airport to Nairobi Jomo Kenyatta International Airport
Flight numbers: LH590
Seat: 19A
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About Lufthansa (from Wikipedia):
Deutsche Lufthansa AG, commonly shortened to Lufthansa, serves as the flag carrier of Germany. When combined with its subsidiaries, it stands as the second-largest airline in Europe in terms of passengers carried, after the ultra low-cost carrier Ryanair, largest in Europe and fourth largest in the world by revenue. Lufthansa is also one of the five founding members of Star Alliance, which is the world's largest airline alliance, formed in 1997.
Besides its own services, and owning subsidiary passenger airlines Austrian Airlines, Swiss International Air Lines, Brussels Airlines, and Eurowings (referred to in English by Lufthansa as its Passenger Airline Group), Deutsche Lufthansa AG owns several aviation-related companies, such as Lufthansa Technik and LSG Sky Chefs, as part of the Lufthansa Group. In total, the group has over 700 aircraft, making it one of the largest airline fleets in the world
About Airbus A330 (from Wikipedia):
The Airbus A330 is a wide-body aircraft developed and produced by Airbus. Airbus conceived several derivatives of the A300, its first airliner from the mid-1970s. Then the company began development on the A330 twinjet in parallel with the A340 quadjet and launched both designs with their first orders in June 1987. The A330-300, the first variant, took its maiden flight in November 1992 and entered service with Air Inter in January 1994. The slightly shorter A330-200 variant followed in 1998.
The A330 shares its airframe with the early A340 variants, but having two main landing gear legs instead of three, lower weights, and slightly different lengths. Both airliners have fly-by-wire controls as well as a similar glass cockpit to increase the commonality. The A330 was Airbus's first airliner to offer a choice of three engines: the General Electric CF6, Pratt & Whitney PW4000, or the Rolls-Royce Trent 700.
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Heloo I'm swedish too
Can you please review Korean airlines new buisness?
Where do you answer questions concerning your program? I tried Insta and mail.
Hello Dan, love your videos. So how about LH business class in europe? I have booked LHR to Ath via FRA and I thought it was a great price (500 USD RT)
The problem with LH crews is the inconsistency: Depending on the purser in charge, they will go out of their ways to provide a great experience for passengers, while other pursers kinda tell them to provide only the bare minimum.
Usually, however, LH crews are always trying their best to make the most out of what their company lets them.
Thanks for the video! I had a 9hr flight to Vancouver with LH from Munich in Eco and a premium eco flight back. They surprised me positively on both flights. Improved a lot since the pandemic. The hot towel surprised me a lot and the crew was great. We would also get drinks for the long flights and a bottle of water in economy. Dishes were yummy and we had even two meals on the flight (I think this happens on flights that are 9 hrs or longer).
All in all maybe some way to go but on the right track IMO!
Just did the A350 premium economy from Munich to Delhi in the bulkhead aisle seat on the right side. The recline was great, but as someone who is 5’8, I felt weirdly cramped due to the wall ahead instead of being able to slide under the seat in front of me. I was genuinely uncomfortable throughout trying to find a comfortable position.
True! That's why I never pick a bulkhead seat in premium economy. I had a bulkhead seat on a domestic United flight in First Class (which is comparable to Premium Eco on intercontinental flights), and I hated the fact I couldnt stretch my legs
Worse than that you have to stow your screens before landing ~20mins. No matter the airline. I have done LH premium economy many times DEN to FRA or MUC on the A340 or A350 and it’s pretty good tbh. ESP as both are around 10hrs or so. I do agree that the lack of screening from the economy seats does not feel special.
Did they have foot rest for the bulkhead seat? I flew on Air Canada's premium economy 777. The bulkhead seats did not have a foot rest and I was falling out of the seat constantly mid flight.
@@karlnicholls1784 Disagree, i had the screen up until the last minutes before touchdown on Singapore economy, and also on Thai businessclass. Be nice to the crew, no unnecessary questions, dont get talkative to the crew after a few shots, dont act Canadian in any way, no perfume (if youre a guy) - this is called being POLITE and will earn you some goodwill.
Lufthansa Premium Economy was my first ever Y+ experience. Didnt try it again for half a decade because I just couldnt see the value over Economy, was very pleasantly surprised when I tried it on Cathay.
Thanks for looking at economy! This is helping me with travel plans.
Took this PE from buenos aires to francfort and it was okay (since i got upgraded because they attributed my selected seat that i paid for to someone else) more leg room but also cold staff and ok meal (I always eat before at the airport to not go hungry). Love your videos, I’ve only been watching you since not even a month, keep on the good work !
Lufthansa is everyone’s favourite airline 😂
But I thought yours was Qatar Airways?😜
Please do not get people fired over a wet floor (water). thanks
Also ask for corporate filming permission first and respect people not wanting to be covered by your lenses.
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@@NonstopDan ROTFL! Ouch! Get back in the knife drawer! You're much too sharp!
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Flew from YVR to FRA this last July on a Lufthansa 747-400 in Premium Economy. There we had one dedicated lavatory and galley located between Premium Economy and Business towards the front. The separation from plain Economy was a fixed bulkhead and curtains across the aisles. The seating was 2-4-2, though it was actually more like 2-2|2-2 with a double wide armrest in the middle. I would deduct some points for the awkward placement of the seat bracing that makes it difficult to impossible to store any carry-on under the seat in front of you, or to stretch your legs out comfortably under the seat in front of you.
Had that same seat bracing problem in Lufthansa economy last summer. Couldn't move my feet around or change positioning of my legs.
This fits my experiences with LH. I tend to fly internationally from ORD, which means if going to Europe, you're likely on LH or UA to MUC or FRA. A few years ago the calculus changed and I've preferred flying UA to LH in all classes, Polaris to basic based on service, entertainment options, and customer service if something goes wrong for connections.
The final straw for me was a MUC-ORD on a new a350 without ac vents--the cabin crew kept the cabin in the high 70s the entire flight and refused to lower it even after multiple people complained--drenched in sweat and stuffy is no way to arrive after a 9-10 hour flight.
This happened to me last March '23 when I flew from ORD to MUC and had a window seat. I literally was burning up it was so hot. I had to keep switching seats with my wife who had an aisle seat. I really thought highly of LH before this trip but will never consider them again.
you literally have everything. I come here before any international flight. thanks for sharing. thinking of flying this to lisbon from LA next week. ❤
10:24 I’ve had that problem in Premium Economy when I flew British Airways, but their recline is awesome.
I've always wanted to fly Lufthansa! Love your content!
I can smell a Kenya Airways review in the distance. Can’t wait for my home airline to FINALLY feature on this channel 🎉🎉
I actually been on Premium Economy on Lufthansa and it was very nice!
I just flew this 3 days ago (Frankfurt to Nairobi) and I was able to enter the Lufthansa Business Lounge with my Amex Platinum card 😊
I just flew Lufthansa Premium Economy last week. I had a flight between Dublin and FRA and then FRA to Riyadh. I had never flown Lufthansa before despite having a friend of 30+ years that works cabin crew for them. I was not impressed by Lufthansa. It was mediocre at best, but for me the plus was my flight crew on each flight were quite joyous and accommodating. We'll see next month when I return to Dublin if I sing the same song. BTW the pumpkin curry meal was also served on my flight. Looked like a plate of sick but really was very tasty.
I flew LH Premium Economy last May-June. We did have a wall divider between our section and Ecomomy on both flights-Poland-US-Poland. It was double the price of Economy for me. But it was worth it because I was much more comfortable physically. I am 68 years old now and appreciate being more physically comfortable. I don’t know if I can go back to Economy. Yes, I agree, the orange mint juice at the beginning of the flight is really tasty. I normally have good service on the plane. Some better than others.
Thank you for sharing this trip.
Being close or at the bulkhead or a wall is nice. There is since of privacy there.😊😊
You always seem to fall victim of what I call the “Lufthansa Effect”, which is that the crews treat non-German speaking pax WILDLY differently in comparison to the German-speaking ones. Probably a language barrier, I feel the LH Effect too when flying IB or TK.
Although I’m not a native speaker, I live in Germany and I speak the language fluently. I’ve had the chance of running tests for the LH Effect multiple times. If I address a crew member in English, all I can get is “Chicken or pasta”. If I address a crew member in German, the crews tend to be so much more engaging and talkative and even funny! The difference in treatment is mind boggling.
I can at least minimally confirm your test. We flew LH both times my high school took the German students to Germany. I was in German 3 the first time and just had basics for travel but inside the country. They were polite but very short with me despite a very feeble attempt at stringing words together. When I went again in 2019 after finishing a majority of German V (the highest level) and being conversationally fluent I had a way easier time and got better service. But I also noticed that the flight heading to Germany in 2019 had two of five flight attendants as Americans, whereas in 2017 the first time, none of the flight crew were Americans even on the flight back into the States.
I'm not a native speaker either, but unfortunately speaking German with the crew doesn't make up for the meager, paltry, and stingy offerings which started even before COVID and have even extended to sister airline Swiss...at least they stopped serving that penne with tomato sauce on every flight, but that second "meal" is sometimes just an otis spunkmeyer muffin and a cup of yogurt (on Swiss, it's a tiny croissant) and I have deplaned hangry many, many, many times. I've since switched to United to stay in Star Alliance but United food is now catching up and has taken a rapid decline recently as well :(
@@swerves I will say at least Premium Economy Plus meals are not the sadness it has been. I flew last year in August from IAD-LHR and it was edible and enjoyable.
I think they just come across as that. I can assure you that most LH crew enjoys their job and their interactions with passengers. My best guess is that a lot of LH crew members (like most Germans) are very self aware about their accent and english profficiency which might lead them to avoid talking English as much as possible, if that makes sense. In General, American and south European "warm" culture is very different to the German culture. As a German, I really enjoy my visits to the US because in Germany most employees, especially in customer service act like you annoy them. You rarely get a smile from anyone.
I noticed this visiting Germany too 10 years ago
I just booked a Premium Economy flight on Lufthansa for May/June of 2024, from Saint Louis to Frankfurt. It was not just a couple hundred dollars/euros to upgrade from economy. It was roughly $500 EACH WAY to upgrade to Premium Economy. Also, the upcharge to pick your seat is a little ridiculous.
Same here, but to sao Paulo. I booked the First Economy seats with extra legspace tho. 100 each per flight.
how did u upgrade? on their website/app or at the airport?
@@cyrellg3491 We upgraded (to Premium Economy) on the web site, and also paid the extra to pick our seats.
As someone who lives in FRA having no choice but to fly regionally with LH I have to say, your reports fits my exact opinion about LH. I would probably never fly with LH for long haul. I could do 3hours max. But wowzers this premium economy screams basic economy to me...
premium economy in lufthansa is economy in emirates lol
I go out of my way to not fly with LH. Also, offering the same seat pitch on long-haul economy as on short-haul should be illegal.
Hi. I see the lowest option to buy aeroplan points - 45000 points for $1400 CAD ( $1050 USD) , have no idea how you are quoting $585 usd for 45000 points , please let me know. Thanks
I am finally flying on the LH A380 next year (LAX-MUC) and have Premium booked on my return trip. I am curious to try it. But the bathroom issue is one of the things I really dislike about Premium, because I am not good at maneuvering around hundreds of sleeping beauties (or not). In economy I can at lease choose a seat closer to the lavatory.
In Lufthansas A380, premium economy has its own separate cabin in the front of the plane with separate bathrooms, making it more comfortable than on any other of their aircraft. I have tried this once FRA-MIA and liked it a lot.
it's very sad they have not improved their service over the years. we never had a good experience with Lufthansa unless it's domestic. my hubby would prefer to walk on water than using Lufthansa for long haul ever again.
True, the price needs to be taken into consideration.
Thanks for sharing your PE experience. Answers many questions.
Lufthansa economy like 10 years ago, asked for Gluten free. They brought me a sandwich on bread that looked and felt like Angel food cake - respect. 🥪🥪🥪😻😻😻
i love your videos they help me a lot to chose who i fly with
Haven’t watched yet but I flew Lufthansa one time and have been telling everyone how awesome they are. Only Alaskan has better service but Lufthansa had the best food and most comfortable seating.
Can I just say you have one of the most relaxing voices to listen to for flight review videos. On the note about feeling hungry, you have no idea what hunger on a flight is until you fly Sydney to Dallas non-stop, 16 hours, with only 2 main meals and a muffin for a snack (United Airlines)
Hie Dan, been watching a lot of your videos and I love them.
I noticed you mention VPN as an option to get cheaper flights.
Can you please please do a video on VpN use and getting cheap flights?
Thanks in advance ,sorry for the long comment😊
Love this series❤
Gosh. I miss Kenya. It's been many years since I've been there. All the best to the power couple. ✈
That amenity kit is substantially better than the Porsche Design amenity kit I got in LH business class 2 weeks ago.
I always fly Premium Economy only for the increased leg space. Cabin arrangement depends heavily on aircraft. I never had been on PE on the A330 but I can tell you that PE on B787 and A350 are much better in layout (including better lavatory ratio) than the shown A330.
One drawback in all PE that I have seen until now is the tray table which is in the armrest. I never choose your proposal for bulkhead seat as in addition the flight entertainment is in the armrest as well.
Really cumbersome when you have to get up.
@NonstopDan will you review JAL new first class on the a350-1000 in january or feburary?
Great review Dan. What about the extra luggage allowance?
Great content as always.
Will you try Singapore premium economy? I recently did a 14 hour flight on both business class and premium economy in November and I found the service way better in premium economy than what I got in business class.
To be honest, this is precisely what i want from premium economy. Im a bigger guy, the extra space is what i want, not all the bells a whistles that comes with business.
Any plans to try LOT PE? For work reasons I've ended up doing it between Tokyo and Warsaw fairly regularly, and while it's a bit weird, it's more cut-down (LOT) business than upgraded economy, and much better service than what I see in this video.
Did that exact flight just in reverse (NBO-FRA) in July: it was great
Pretty damning review! I was planning on a Fall '24 flight from the US E coast to Athens via Lufthansa, I'm having very second and third thoughts now about flying with them.
Dan will you review and compare Delta and United premium eco cabins?
Any info. Or feedback on KLM premium comfort . Im flying from YVR to AMS (direct) in April.
I wonder if you could review EVA Premium economy soon? I am very interested in choosing it for my families flights to visit me next year 😅
Love the shade thrown in this video 😂💅
How do you rack up so many airline points?
Seeing this Im happy I always just fly economy but always with extry leg room on any flight over 3h (its usually only 50-100€ more)
So right about the bulkhead seats. I’ve traveled Lufthansa one way economy and return premium economy, both bulkhead! Very pleased with both experiences, and the prices were great. Going out I was in a beautifully retrofitted and immaculately clean aircraft. The bathrooms were down a short flight of stairs and pristine. The meal going out was roasted chicken and was surprisingly good. Going back I appreciated the bigger seat, etc. But I would have been just as happy in a bulkhead economy seat. Great vid!
Lufthansa, everyone’s favourite European Airline. I would like to see how LOT Polish Airlines compares to Lufthansa in Business or Premium Economy if that is possible.
Good review. The food? On a par with what both BA and Malaysia served me on my last long-haul flights - in Economy.
I'm rather taken to you now after a few months of watching your channel, so I subbed,
You need to review PE JAL - hard shell seat and lounge access - amazing!
Hope we get to see JAL premium economy in this series.
How is it possible that Air canada Aeroplane miles can be used by any airline? Do they not have limited airline partners?
Last week I flew Lufthansa premium economy from Frankfurt to Singapore on a 747. The seat recline was barely more than economy and I slept very little due to the fact that I was in an exit row, and it was very cold near the door. The “blanket” provided resembled a threadbare tea towel and had no warmth. Fortunately I had brought extra socks and a pashmina with me which helped somewhat. I would not pay for this seat again. The meals were hot and tasty and I have no complaints there. The toilet situation is drastic. Two in front of premium economy and four in the tail. These created problems as the aisles are too narrow for a person to pass the carts, and carts spent a long time in the aisles, as that was the entire economy section.
at 1:50 , Eurowings a330 non-neo? With the visor? - I thought they retired all their a330s. Could anyone please explain?
Was that a 747 SP??
Thanks as always, Oskar and Dan!
Your mom is so kind!
Dan are the premium economy seat 27 sections good? I see the plane is 747-400 however I don’t know if these seat can recline back I believe they do but not 100% sure. Also the bulkhead seats are taken already. I have also been checking out your videos on British airlines business class seeing for 1500 more than Lufthansa for premium. We want to fly from Houston to Bologna Italy in September. We flew Lufthansa 2 years ago business to Italy and it was nice but that was on business expense. Just waving our options. Thanks in advance for your input! Love the videos!!
Omg! My sister and family already booked a Long Haul flight from Frankfurt to Singapore. Well, need to warn them to bring their own snacks as well. No wonder ur SO IN LOVE WITH LUFTHANSA 😎
very interesting; thanks
Hi Dan.
Will you fly ANA premium economy?
Are you gonna try Swiss Premium, it would be a good comparison.
Truly enjoy your videos. Appreciate the info you imparted. Your meal looked pitiful but the amenities kit was pretty cool.
No snacks??? Terrible. Chintzy with the food. Guess you should bring your own!
DO YOU HAVE ANY REACTION ON THE WAY YOUR FRIEND JOSH GOT BANNED FROM QATAR AIRWAYS RECENTLY ?
Thank you for doing these premium economy videos as this is something that u might actually be able to afford even though i dream of flying first class one day! Lol
FIRST CLASS prices for long distance travel are insane. $10,000 to $20,000 one way? That's madness.
BUSINESS CLASS is where it's at - and the only way I fly.
Use a Credit card that gives you 1 to 1 rewards point to dollar parity like Capital One Venture for all your purchases and save up points to apply to your flight costs.
Business class tickets range between $2000 and $10,000 in most cases.
I've flow Emirates BC, Philippine Air, ANA and KLM for example and the prices were reasonable with business class amenities.
Personally, I hope the first class becomes so uneconomical that more airlines drop them.
The pumpkin explanation 🤣🤣🤣… Brilliant 🙏🏻 thank you for a good laugh
Yeah. I flew LH economy in the past. I was pretty happy with everything (I am 194 cm) but the portion size left to be desired. Had the Veal Gulash which was delicious but even my 90 year old granny could have eaten more. Luckily they packed extra and gave me anotjer full tray. On my flight back I packed Chinese take out in LA.
That’s literally my only problem with them here. If they could just get us some more food.
Great Video 👍
Ahh making me anxious about my decisions now! I’m flying Incheon to Frankfurt then Frankfurt to Dublin in April with LH! I really hope it’s a great experience it’s going to be my first major overseas trip. Then I’m flying Swiss back home!
To be honest, I like Swiss airline’s better. The seat is much more comfortable and bigger, you’ll have more legroom as well. In addition they feed you more often and better meals. They even distribute toys for children. Everyone gets free earbuds, pillows and blankets. I just came back home from my European trip on Dec 29, 2023.
Usually Premium eco tickets are very expensive with LH.
I just purchased FRA MIA RT in C for 900 Euro and collect even miles, these Hiddensee gems are sometimes available
Great video!
Over the years you have become a grandmaster of snark!
No way man, I flew on this same A330 (D-AIKG “Ludwigsburg”) at the beginning of 2019!
It’s always a good day when Dan uploads
Absolutely right! There are only tiny portions, that's the case in Y+ and also in C. The 2nd service is subterranean, these wraps are not edible. And the service between meals is virtually non-existent. What doesn't work at all are the toilets, which are shared with the Y and also the lack of separation from the Y cabin. Simply bad!
@NonstopDan, can you review NEOS airlines? I want to know if it is any good.
My native Kenyan guide in Kenya his name was Wolfgang
I fell you should try finnair's flagship premium economy on the a350
Just a thought - perhaps the amenity packs would be better if airlines understood they could become a way of selling. Socks, perfume, lotions, etc - sample packs and QR codes to order a subcription to home. A great idea if I say so myself, and they could charge for it to retailers or producers like Porsche, Aqua Oarma - or even have some curate a pack.
was that red white and royal blue? omg such a good movie!
Love an 8 abreast A330. My favourite twin.
The food is exactly what I had in all my economy 8+ hour flights.
Good vid!
I like the music on this video.
Hello Dan, what are your thoughts about what Josh Cahill went through with Qatar Airways?
Same as Condor. This just reminds me that it´s finally about time to try another airline! Thanks Dan! I love your humor!
My Top favourite airline is Emirates for A380s!
Awesome airplane review Dan drop lkke
6:45 how exactly can you acquire Aeroplan points at $13/thousand? AC’s own website sells them at $31.49/thousand (if you buy between 20k and 75k).
I was also wondering the same thing
Do you have plans to fly ZipAir’s basic business class?
I fly Lufthansa frequently from SFO to FRA and I share your opinion almost fully. Premium economy in LH is worth it if it's a little bit more expensive than the standard economy. On my route, if I can snatch it for $200/5-10k points as an upgrade, I'll get it but otherwise I'd skip. Business on LH is atrocious, honestly Premium Economy on United is much better than Business on LH (bar the lie-down seat of course). I disagree though on the bulkhead seating in premium economy. I flew it once and honestly I didn't like it. The infotainment system in these seats is a hassle and weirdly there's not much to do with your feet despite generous legroom (on regular seats, you just put them under the seat in front of you)
I was thinking abt paying the extre to go bussiness (my parents are willing to pay our econmy on family vacations fyi im a student so i wanna save up) but then i found out it was like 1k more 😅 so thats a no but prenium is not taht more expensive and you do get a bit more legspace wich especially for my brother and father is very nice and a bit more reclining i think, definetely worth giving a try.
How is KLM Premium comfort? I want to fly from ams to tokyo. Would be stoked if you could test the KLM version :D
Can you please review Air Canada business and compare it to others?
This was identical as if I were watching an Iberia premium economy video.
WOW cool vlog!! Lufthansa is workin it so I'm gonna ditch my broom and start flying them!!!!!
Kicking off the flight with Priscilla: Queen of the Desert before watching Red White and Royal Blue... girl this is the camp content I am here for.