Show me how to dissolve the ‘I’ | J. Krishnamurti
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Ojai 1981 - Question #4 from Question & Answer Meeting #3
'Show me how to dissolve the ‘I’, the ‘me’. Without that, everything else is futile.'
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1. There is either self or love.
2. Self is isolation.
3. Love can't be cultivated.
4. Love shall dissolve self.
5. Be aware of tricks of thought.
6. Let love be in your inner being all the time.
7. Perhaps being sensitive to each and every thing in other shall bring connectedness and 'me' shall vanish!
8. Be love.
9. Complete negation is a positive action.
10. Just see the action of 'me' ! Just see!
The beauty of everything is allready one with "you", you have to dive into it with your spirit and become it and not reject it
I do think you need a symbol to break through the self-separation. That's what all the symbols of the world's religions are about: Jesus, Buddha, Krishna. Images that can interrupt the self-isolating activity of the mind and completely blow it open.
A famous Speaker told Once The word of the thing is not the Thing . He preaches the Advaita Vedanta Oneness of the existence.
My point is that there are separate sensations feelings emotions and experiences among every creature in this world . We the humans after accuaring language gave this separateness a specified thought which is
"Me or Self " .
It is the Language Only for the capacity of expression we humans have Only so far which I know .
So If it is that
Then whether we gave the specified thought or not gave the Thought of Me or Self
The separation, The defferetion of feelings emotion's experiences from each one and Other are still there . Is it not so ?
A Child who is very small can't speak, he has also likes and dislikes feelings emotions he or she cries differently laugh's on different event just because they don't have language to express they can't say this but they can show the emotions. Which proves it's not about the word but the individual ness of One which is separate and Different .
Look at the animals . Which thought or language of Me or Self do they have ? But still they feel experience differently. If the Language is the Only barrier from you and me then why not the animals are "One"?
And by Language I meant Thought of Me or The Self Obviously.
anyone knowledgeable Share the answer of my Q. Please.
Thank you.
what is love
I noticed that there are some here who say that he has not answered the question. But after watching the video, I say he has answered it most beautifully. One needs to understand, that some answers cannot be spoonfed to you. Even if that were possible, you still may lack the understanding. Book reading and casual listening just wont cut it. In the spiritual journey, you are more or less alone. You have to make the effort to experience what you have read and heard from others for yourself. Only then will you bloom in your understanding.
Well said, thanks a lot for putting it in your loving way 🌹
Actually what he say is just may be love it means to say he did not reach there.......just may be love what exactly he say to dissolved I...and thats true.....
@Fatima Goraya Why would YOU want to destroy it? Is it needed? Or wanting to destroy it is also the I? For YOU WANT. There is this video of Mr. Krishnamurti -- ruclips.net/video/TRNmh1zVFgE/видео.html
@Fatima Goraya Wanna a simple exercise for that? Do your everyday shores: work hard, take care of your kids, play with them, put them to sleep, be a loving wife, take care of the shores at home, and before going to sleep, with the little time you'll have left, pray a little. Try to do it with a loving heart, everyday. Tell me how does it feels.
I think he answered it perfectly well. The way to dissolve the "I" is not limiting it's expression to a few we perceive as sacred, but to negate every such expression. And the process for doing that required tremendous attention. Love is another way of achieving the same thing. Persistent self-enquiry, and self-surrender. Beautifully put.
The ego or ‘self’ wanting to dissolve itself IS the issue here, because it can’t. The dog chases its tail, fire can’t burn itself (as Watts said), and so on.
I have a peer who spent a decade in a monastery, meditating 10-18 hrs per day, 7 days a week for the entire 10 years. One day he was sitting down to meditate and he had the sudden realization ‘there is no ‘you!’. It just came over him out of nowhere. He went and told the Maharishi, who looked at him and said ‘you’re done.’ But he didn’t want my friend telling anyone.
My friend told me ‘enlightenment is the sudden, permanent, and complete dissolution of the ‘I’ thought, and it certainly can’t be attained by effort.’ (For the reasons mentioned above). He said it just happens to some people…..Thought just stopped completely. He met a handful of enlightened people in his life, and one of them (an old Burmese monk) told him true enlightenment is just a ‘happy accident.’ He said meditation *might* make you ‘happy accident prone’, but otherwise it couldn’t be achieved by effort.
The only thing to really understand is, as Watts liked to say, ‘Tatvamasi’ (that art thou), or ‘you’re it.’
You are already God, and so is absolutely everything in the universe. The more you seek it, the more you’ll miss it, because it’s you, and what’s right in front of you, in the eternal present moment. 😊
astonishingly beautiful deductions which can bring about "enlightment" to you. Thank you for sharing.
Very well put.
This is one of beautiful and truthful comments I ever read about it.Thank you for it
If the friend has attained really thoughtlessness he would not have told his guru to seek the validation 😊
What a beautiful man
You cannot dissolve.....
If you are not there dissolve will happen.....
Dissolve is the consequence of your absence or merger.....
If I ran on thorn,I need another thorn to remove the thorn.
After removing I don't need both the thorns.......
Same way I need to immerse in myself....
Once immersed or merged
Then both. I and myself .... no need.... like both thorns....
Suppose you are flute player...
You closed your eyes and immersed in playing flute...
In such a way that there is no LINE of separation between the music from flute, and the player....
Everything merged.....
We can say the person dissolved into it .......
In that moment he has no awareness of himself......
how do i do this
There is no I,I itself is something you created...how to dissolve something which is not?watch your thoughts,I will ........
'Love' IS, the 'self' is NOT. When the self dissolves Love remains, when the self appears Love dissolves.
Dear Anthony I feel you have grasped it clearly. I need to be clear, if once d self is dissolved can it appear again?
@@jaswinderanand6368 It seems it can to some extent, we just get better and better and reminding it to vanish until it never appears again and just shines as our life
@@psychologicalsuccess3476 sweeeeet jesus
The self is also holy, but only when it’s in its place-otherwise it is the master and will spoil your life. That is, you are not identified with the self, hence centring the self into what is called self-centeredness. The self comes last in the order of truth. First there is “I” (the unnameable). Then comes “me” (the body). And then last you have the “self” (the memory). You make love with “I” and “me”, not “self”. Hence the saying.
Very beautiful words.
But meaningless.
Intellectual knowledge is totally different from seeing.
Those of you looking for an easy way, or to be told what to do, should just resume zombiehood.
Those who are looking for a way are on the wrong way
My only wish would have been to hug him, carefully and respectfully. So brave and such an open heart. Now I have watery eyes.
Yes.
Mir geht es ähnlich, wie gerne hätte ich Krishnaji kennen gelernt und ihn einfach mal umarmt! Er verbindet einen messerscharfen verstand mit viel menschlicher wärme! GLG Elias
Can you share me "watery eye" and remove my ego?
His teaching was way ahead of time we shall know the extraordinary impact it will bring about on human consciousness in the coming decades and centuries
His two books are all time spiritual classic. Freedom from the known and First and the last freedom.. Read them carefully.. Even if possible more than one time
Absolutely
Need not as that is the experience so far. Prior to him many had come and gone and nothing happened.
@@manirsrs We live in a different time now. More Population and greater means of communication through media. But what K says is toooooo difficult..... "to observe yourself as you are without you trying to change it" - This alone is sooo hard and probably takes years to understand non verbally.
Lucky are those who are born with Love but in our era its highly unlikely to see someone who permeate love.
However one can hope and like K said, even if 10 people around the world are able to do this right; then it may have a butterfly effect in human consciousness
@@manirsrs What about the Buddha, the person? It seems to me that what this great person is saying was said by the Buddha 2600 years ago, and his extraordinary impact continues to this day, particularly in the form of Vipassana.
Whether intentional or not, he showed them how to dissolve it from 0:50 to 1:19
Pls elaborate
Akhil Vanaparti Pay Attention and Think for yourself... Attention Must Be Paid!
@@akhilvanaparthy2872 by observing the self, the self will disolve.
Same as everything; look at it and it will disappear. Don't think about looking at it, actually look at it (be the attachment in the now).
@@akhilvanaparthy2872 You can see the sudden change before he closes his eyes as he goes inside, don't think to watch him just do and you will see
Spot on. What Krishnamurti showed was the Stillness 🙏🏽 Only in total Stillness could there be dissolution 🙏🏽
to SL:The questioner's "self" is the "ego" in 21 century language. K is leading him to dissolve the clinging on of the "ego", the "I", "myself", the 5 aggregates (matters, feelings, thoughts, cognition, consciousness) of this "self". You are jumping leaps and bounds from "ego", to physical suicide to religions=suicide. Religions are useless of being manipulated, controlled and put humanity in cages. But the essence of each originator of religions are all the same, Truth, Love and Peace, must start from the dissolution of this false "self". Religions originators only differed in the finesse, locality and needs of time, We are the air, the subtle food of ONE. and ego only takes us to the chaotic, superficial existence. Thanks for posting.
This is essential for the one who takes seriously Krishnamurti teachings. If one has really realice the depth of the fact that the observer is nothing more than that which he observes, you can "hold" the self in your hand. Its nature became so clear. Then death of the selfs starts, or the dissolve of the self, with all its images, fears, ansieties, and surely confusion and misery. Its not easy what follows; to renounce to everything that thought has put together, but cames as absolutly necesary and full of dignity, and probably pain but reliefe as well. Actual freedom and liberation starts. The more effort and energy you have had put on building a certain image (as physical aspect, a certain status economic, social, spiritual, knwolodge - expertise, education, or whatever) makes the liberation a bit harder and with more suffering, but there is not turning back on that one. As you actually realize than the whole misery and confusion of ones life cames to an end, step by step.
Havent found much about the "process of dissolution" of the self by krishnamurti, but you dont needed actually. Its a process full of beauty, solitude and implies confronting with ones world, cause there are demands and pressure of the context (people that deppends on you, economic, etc), which cames as kind of difficult. All this makes me realize how hard it must been for Krishnamurti to face all this, such an incredible responsability, with people going in their own egoistic way following idiotic and trivial, insignificant things. It actually made me cry deeply.
Truth is actually something dangerous, there is no turning back when you realice in the deep levels all of this. But we can reach this state of emptiness, without understanding what is eternal. So, at some point, humanity will reach this point, and a new society might came to be. Theres only the need that a few go all the way so human counciesness can fundamentally change. I hope there are other that had taken Krishnamurti this seriously, cause the "process" is full of beauty, dignity and extraordinary necesary cause we must see that we are entirely responsable of all the violence in the world. An enormus violence.
I'd say it is more of a release, and the only reason there is no going back is because as soon as you understand there is another way of living, the truth to your life, the notion of going back to the stress of the old life would be laughably absurd. What about if someone has been dishonest to you, and then somehow you find out the truth, catch them in the act or find evidence etc. The stories and the image one had of the person was not as it seemed, and as soon as one sees the truth, one would usually (not always, if one goes back to believing the story /i.e. abusive relationships) - usually, one would never want to go back to believing the 'imaginary' story, because we prefer truth. The only thing in danger in facing the truth, the only true danger then it is only threatening one's ego, but that's a good thing. Because the ego would rather hold on to imagination vs. the truth.
Hopefully that's what's happening now 2020
Hey,out of box question. I am just curious. Do you find any resembles between J.K and Nietzsche? I feel that the core of their teaching had been flourished from the same deep Ocean.
@@sajidahmed4332 The deep ocean it comes from is truth.
@@sajidahmed4332strangely enough I thought the same
Am I the body
Or I am the memory, thought or
Sole ,which i haven't seen yet.
Who am I ? Actually nothing... But
Just a eye. Who just sees.
With LOVE we trascend duality. Imagine a couple deeply in love, making love (sex). They both lose sense of identity, meaning they become one. There is no longer a 'you' and 'me', but a feeling of oneness.
So is it through LOVE that dualism is trascended.
Until one sees very clearly with all his heart that the one who wants to dissolve the I is the same with the I.........
thank you K for explaining "i am everything" yes now i understand thats a mind trick.if i think so then nothing goes away everything hides inside that word "everything",also self hide into that......therefore i/self doesnot dissolve,it remains hidden...
One tip if I can give to anybody is - don’t think for a moment what happens a moment ago . Make conviction in action and let it past by and create a new moment (RANDOM_CONTROL) both at the same time
There are 3Is . One left I that is Intelligence, the other right I that is Ignorance and finally a third I called Insight where left and right merges that transforms and becomes one ☺️👍
Beautiful, thank you. It reminds me of the Yin Yang Symbol, together they are dancing, alone seeking, conquering, fighting
Intensity, integrity, intelligence - Kurt Angle
No One have never seen the Living behind the Being, the Eternity, or the 'I',
which is the very same reality, and the only 'steady point' behind the Stuff-side, which is a Motion-Ocean, pure motion.
So, Motion, movement is change, allways change, but all ways motion.
The *I* is Not motion, the *I* is eternal, and what that is Eternal, must be un-change-able,
isn't it so, that the *I* is allways the same un-change-able 'something that exsist'.
There is actually Only the very same *I*, Eternity, Living being,
Why We dont see that the *I* is the very same, is because, We All have our very own eternal Consciousness, the consciousness, is allway on a move, changing, but allways consciousness.
Well, Life can Not be created, Life is the creator, No One created the Eternal Life, there fore it is nameless in its own eternal nature. (and have no meaning, which is due to creation)
When Lars Nibelvang came to know about Martinus, he'd wrote about it to Krhisnamurti, and short after He declared that He was Not the world teacher that some one wanted him to be.
Later on, Martinus visited Krhisnamurti in India, and again later on, Krhisnamurti visited Martinus in his Institute here in Copenhagen.
Well, this is all history, I had my own experience of the Eternal Life years before that I'd came to know about all this.
Complete negation is a positive action.
Thank you K.
what it involves to negate completely
nothing
Shekhar Sharma the
The will to remove desire is in itself a will. How can one remove desire without willing it to be removed? If I do not will desire to be removed, it cannot be remove it. If you meditate to absolve yourself from something, you are taking an action fueled by the will to accomplish something.
@@HFoTmusic will is needed in the begining, for a while until we fully realize and after will is not need it.
This speech changed my life. I know from the bottom of my heart that this was the best speech that was ever given by a human being ever. When there is no sense of isolation, then the other, perhaps is, And then the self is not. When that is, then the other is not. Love is a sacred word, it is the only thing that can dissipate all the barriers, walls that we have built around us throughout time.
Well said.
except there is no "best", this is objective and coming from mind
I believe the human condition is that we all have two selves. One is our divine nature, or spirit, soul, or whatever else it's called and the other is the "egoic" self which is what society creates for us and/or we create for ourselves. Once you become present enough to identify your own egoic self, practice to keep it in check so it does not control your behavior. It will get easier over time if you are willing to do the self work. PEACE...
Who is it that observes those two selves though? Who has capacity to step aside from those two and observe them? Human body self, “higher self”. It’s all the same I game, isn’t it? And who or what is clearly aware of both?
The divine self is still the egoic self because any self is egoic. We are nothing or no self is our essence
@@Dooality the witness?
True
This man caused a radical change in my life . I was sadly surprised when I heard his stomach growling in hunger.
Thanks for everybody working in this channel❤
Take some solution of your choice… put ‘I’ in it… stir it until it dissolves…
Why is so much focus given to geting rid of self, finding yourself, being your true self, the abstract way of thinking of self is the very issue in itself, unless you run off to some mountain and sit there for all your life, you actually need your 'self', some of your thoughts will be selfless and some of your thoughts will be selfish, some of your actions will be selfless, some of your actions will be selfish, these things are as natural as leaves blowing in the wind, dont be so selfish that you hurt others and dont be so selfless that you hurt yourself
Enjoyed reading your comment
ABSOLUTLY OUTSTANDING !!!
Can we really Learn from this,
and... change, really Change ???
I love his energy and ideas and I agree with him on everything but one thing; I think meditation can really really help. This is a great tool of change and becoming a better person.
@@smirglvojtechskovajsa2787 Meditation is not, getting used to is. One goes beyond meditation...the meditation beyond mediation...
just sharing how i am taking his teachings to make changes in my life.
i answer one significant question (personally relevant wherever i am each day) to answer each day. really basic questions; in fact the more basic a question, the broadly it will apply to many aspects in our lives.
i will do this for a year.
more than anything, JK wanted us to question things for ourselves and (un)learn.
@@smirglvojtechskovajsa2787 watch when you repeatedly use the word "i" .
Answer is at 10:30. Aka impartial self observation/self remembering/mindfulness.
I watched the self, the me. I feel it. I lost in it. It was so full of conflict, pity, sadness and selfish-oriented act. And after that I decided that I don't want to live that kind of living. But, the I, is so strong.
Love is the key. Love which is a feeling. Feeling of boundlessness. Not isolating. Without any boundary. You melt... melting.... and then... you gone... Yes... be in love... and the melting happened. Melting = dissolution of the boundaries. No boundary = no isolation = no self... gone.. gone... gone...
You're referring to a positive path; this is sadly not what Krishnamurti is speaking of at all, quite the opposite, he's imparting the wisdom of utter negation. Has the word "Love," as you say, helped anything in society over the aeons? Has flowery language like "melting?" I think you've missed it sir.
@@cowboym4227 the negation is a melting though, it's just the words do not work to communicate it, and love and life are the same words too, and you cannot choose to walk the path of life you are that, that is the negation to simply be that, which isn't a technique
Utter negation! You are negating what and who us doing the negation? First negate the one negating!!!
You jave not only put it rightly but also expressef your experience which anybody can feel.love you.
Love remains when what you think you are is removed. Love is the absence of "you".
I'm preventing myself from being liberated, thus I am liberated from the non self.
Beautiful beyond words. I'll have to watch this again and again and again to learn 🙏💖
Eyou said it rightly with right spirit.
We want to disdolve the Self, or we want to identify ourselves with it, or we want it to reforce it...which is all the same thing
Why? Because we think it is permanent.
Once we SEE its impermanence...things change. Without "doing" anything. This is the right action, SEEING
👍💯🌹to 💘 Mr. Krisnamurti 🙏..To my limited understandings, no needed to dissolve or delete letter "I" if the letter "U" has no existential meaning whatsoever..😁😉😊..Hence, we have 2 lesser alphabetically of 🔠 to remember..🤣😂😅..Bet ya those kindergartens kids would love ❤️ it dearly..👌🗽4 ✌️..😉😄😉..
nailed it... J.K. is sewing the meaning like a bird is making its nest. We are so lucky to be able to watch all these videos. THANK YOU.
Unconditional Love.
12:54 Jiddu's hungry.
Hahahaha man you are distracted
Love his sarcastic and dry humor while he slowly goes about devouring dogmas of the world
What's the switch that negates the 'I' ....? The observer effect? As in physics, maybe the building blocks of the mind behave 'completely' differently when there is no observer, no measurement, no center, no psychological time, no 'I'. How does one negate? Hard question, when as individuals we desire to observe change....and when we observe, we are caught in the same trap. When we don't observe, nothing changes...yet everything changes, because there is no longer any need to perceive....because the observer and the observed are the same movement...there are no answers, because there are no longer any questions ...
We train ourselves to be aware, to observe....we think the more carefully we observe the more we will see. We can train ourselves to see the most minute detail, but never enter the sacred timeless realm of convergence, where perception is no longer necessary, because we are already what we strive to perceive.
First see that there is no how. The moment you name it or define it or build a path to it through abstraction then you have lost it and are back in the old pattern again. Can one see that truth?
How can you observe? Isnt that through the window of the mind? And the very thoughts u wanna get rid of?
Don't go complicatedly, he not says about physics observer. He means that our subconscious mind had loaded with lot of mind maps from our childhood. if any thing we observing our brain is looking similar thing happened in the past in Our subconscious mind,and find the map,and drops the thought in that box,in that box there is already a judgement and that subconscious mind tells the brain that its own result.that may be right or wrong but the judgement is only in one angle. if the completely absence of that Root maps of brain,and we have no attachment,or detachment on observing subject then we can think all possible angles and find the truth as it is. Clearing that Root maps we must have some exercise,clear our thoughts completely empty our brain, meditation does that. that means live in present time(independent of time). removing of one self(erasing mind maps,(beliefs and disbeliefs)) will helps to find the truth in anything.
He is so humble.....
I am the whole just another trick
You can't lose something that you identify as you. The only way is to realise that the you that you identify as you is not the real you. Once you realise that then you can lose the fake you.
8:13 theres your answer
Yes!
- Through complete negation, there can be positive action.
- Love (not of the petty kind ofcourse & thats not love to begin with - dependance, mutual benefit based relations etc. - they r what they r i.e. conditional and definitely not love. The real essence of love is marked by loss of the 'self'. The dissolution just happens when in presence of love.
Paso a paso muy despacio y sencillo lo explica maravillosamente, y si quieres entender lo sencillo que es, hacia el final cuando introduce el factor amor, ahi esta, verdad?
que nudo en la garganta, que maravilla, gracias gracias gracias.
K says the only way to dissolve the 'Self' is to have Love. But love cannot be cultivated or developed by being charitable or helping the poor etc. Those are just artificial things the fool people into thinking that they are truly selfless. Love comes naturally. Like cooking a meal for your mother, taking care of your pet, helping your aged parents to file tax returns. Doing truly selfless deeds comes naturally, they can't be forced. It is true. Does handing out a ten dollar bill to a beggar really feel good? Do the people who go off to africa to help really feel liberated? Is it not forced?
You operate as ideas, even taking care of your mom is a thought; the whole idea to do means you are stepping into an idea to perform an act
Smile,which is prime source of the perceiveness about the physical world, perceiveness about feeling and emotions probably that may be the complete selfcentric association to me and I .
Complete attention, watchfulness of the self sustaining process, self isolation and the entire mechanism of the me put together by the thought is the key.
Well said.
Its so weird.
The mind is full of contradictions. It is in itself not logical and yet it is attended to all the time.
There is the "I" thought, which is a thought. It is not an "I", that thinks, it is thinking.
And yet all the time an "I" is hold as the controller. It doesent even make sense.
Then the idea of seperation, which is even by science impossible.
If you go deep down into matter one only finds energy. Energy has no boundaries to itself. One cannot logically say, this energy is me and that one is something else. It doesent make sense again.
We also know that time is an idea in the mind. There is always the now. It is undianiable and yet we think in time.
The mind is full of nonesense honestly.
..while I am sleeping IT(self) IS NOT KNOWN and upon Conscious it is there to ACTION
I is the thought trying to be free of it self. Leave all together, the whole movement. Leave even the idea of leaving it and don't wait or expect anything because thought might say now what?
Who can I Iove? I'm a reclusive isolated person. Do I to be social to dissolve the self? Nature may help.
johnDon It's not about physical isolation. It's about psychological isolation. You might have fears and anxieties about becoming social deeply, you must be social for experiment. You can observe everything including your own self. The more you are aware, the more you become intelligent, and closer to the truth or love.
Just my insights. Forgive me if i rambled.
love is not something outside of you, you are love♥️
Comme il devait être fatigué de répéter encore et encore les même réponses à des gens qui certes sont là mais n'arrivent pas à comprendre ce qui ne se comprend pas mais s'expérimente !
You are what is having the thought of you
mahatma gumbi trapdoorspider .
the biggest confusion of humanity is Language.We believe we are special that there is an I or me but the truth it is all bullshit you living an illusion claiming Gods making up stories and then the end...
The man was full of humor and seriousness at the same time, really disagreeing with osho saying him that he was not.
Such a doyen.
1.Pain 2. healing 3. love 4. no ego
How to dissolve the 'I'? to have the beauty of it in your heart and then the self is not.(무아 無我 anatta) ; "I love everybody" this is just a result of it. That cannot be a way to selfless.
'be a light to yourself' as K said. I took that to mean to be sensitive to life and there may not be an ultimate answer, not one that satisfies the mind anyway. Isn't the idea that you need to get rid of the 'I' just a certain type of conditioning?
Attachments and Desires are the roots of ego, fears, Only pure heart and clear mind can have Insight. And I.me, my, mine are forms of ego. When the ego is zero one becomes a real hero.
jagdish jariwala very well put sir thank you
The one who becomes a hero z the same ego which has sneaked through back doors...!!...the one whose ego z zero,has lost all concepts of hero and villain!...
Once the ' I ' is dissolved the system will collapse. The concept of family will be no more .it is from the institution of family the 'I ' starts. The fear of being alone, the fear of being helpless, the fear of network collapse haunts the time driven conditioned mind
Is everything else really futile?
That is a huge and hugely questionable assumption.
Neti Neti, not this, not that. What remains...
Find out what you are not. Find out who is asking the question... that is all.
We identify the self or content or structure of the self is not only nationality or religion but ambition or ideation or ideology or ideal and so forth…
Alert attention dissolves the "I".
just a subtle shift.. i've come to experience this very recently.
attention is paid - who pays attention? "I" pay attention. without "i" there would be no one attending. attention is bound. attention that "i" pay first creates dichotomy between me and everything else.
awareness IS. it doesn't need an observer, someone who "pays attention"; awareness encompasses everything - resistance, boundaries, silence and dark matter alike, awareness doesn't shun, condemn, label or even attempt to judge anything. it just accepts unconditionally.
the heisenberg's uncertainty experiment - that was attention that changes either the position or momentum of electron(S) observed. awareness would just allow it to be as it is, just accept it as a part of itself completely and all would be understood.
@@ranirathi3379 i think youv got it but how is it done
The dissolving of 'I' lies within he act of surrender. To surrender self by way of creation (the act of creation, although it substantiates self, negates self) is to dispel selfishness. It counter-signs one's signature. Creation, being the first act of Love, was a gesture humility. What does creativity teach us, if not about humility and so, if not about Love?
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Evidently, here is this discernible multiplicity of so-called 'things' and 'events'.
Obviously, any one of it's members (including 'ourselves') can ONLY exist if the necessary conditions are present. All of these conditions are other members of the multiplicity, which can ONLY exist if the necessary conditions are present. All of THESE conditions are -OTHER- other members of the multiplicity, which can ONLY exist if the necessary conditions are present, and so on, ad infinitum....
Therefore, no member of the multiplicity could possibly be existing in exactly the way that it is without ALL OTHER members existing in exactly the way that they are. In this way, every single member naturally INCLUDES every other member within it's own uniquely impermanent existence.
This being the case, none of them can ACTUALLY be the solely self-inclusive 'things' or 'events' that they conceptually SEEM to be.
As such, it is most accurate to regard ALL members of the multiplicity (including ourselves) as 'impermanent discernible features' of This (also called Reality Itself).
The multiplicity itself is one of two 'permanent discernible features' of This (which can apparently be described as an 'ever-changing coherent asymmetry').
The so-called 'space' that apparently encompasses the multiplicity is the other permanent discernible feature of This; the 'singularity' (which is itself absolutely changeless, structureless and un-encompassed).
If the 'ceaseless change' that is the multiplicity had an absolute beginning, that beginning would also be the ending of a prior 'beginningless absence of change'. If it had an absolute ending, that ending would also be the beginning of a subsequent 'endless absence of change'. Logically, such a situation is an absolute impossibility.
Therefore (given the fact that the multiplicity DID 'evidently' have a beginning), this ceaseless change MUST be, in some way, eternally cyclic.
Logically, neither the presence of This Itself, nor the fact that It has ANY discernible features at all (let alone these two permanent ones and all the many impermanent ones) require a cause of any kind.
To insist that This particular situation needs a cause is to insist that there is another particular situation (external to This) that doesn't need a cause.
If this can be accepted of ANY particular situation at all, there is no reason why it can't be accepted of This.
In other words, This just (((IS)))
Exactly WHAT It is can NEVER be known....
Apparently, all sufficiently complex impermanent discernible features are naturally conscious of themselves and their surroundings.
Some of these 'conscious features' are SO unfathomably complex that they evidently have the natural capacity to become 'hypnotized' by their surroundings.
This hypnosis makes it SEEM to these extremely complex conscious features (or in other words, 'intelligent body/mind organisms') that each of the impermanent discernible features (including themselves) are in fact 'solely self-inclusive' (which is to say, that they are all fundamentally existing different 'things' and 'events' that each have their own separate, independent reality), and that they themselves each have their own 'personal' consciousness and are the autonomous originators of their own particular movements.
As such, the 'hypnotized conscious features' perceive This to be a vast, confusingly fragmented and threatening situation, and so perceive themselves to be isolated and vulnerable individuals. This is the illusion of separateness and duality. The hypnosis it arises from is the fundamental basis of ALL suffering.
Sometimes, this hypnosis is inexplicably woken up from. This waking up is the very REALIZATION that ALL so-called 'things' and 'events' (including 'ourselves') are NEVER anything other than impermanent discernible features of This. When this happens, the illusion that one has ever been (or will ever be) a solely self-inclusive individual naturally dissolves, as do the feelings of isolation and vulnerability that are inherently associated with this illusion.
From this point on, one's very stand is taken AS This....
what do you mean when you say "natural capacity to become 'hypnotized' by their surroundings"? what is the substance of "hypnotized" in your writing? is it the ego?
@@asadalbra As I would see it, the ego is the natural consequence of the hypnosis I referred to. The ego is the false belief held by the intelligent body/mind organism that it is a separate, isolated and vulnerable individual, in the vast, confusingly fragmented and dangerous situation called the universe.
K's "the total denial of the self" is what each human must do. Then K says there is nothing. The self is dissolved into nothingness, there is not a thing in the "me" that needs my attention, leaching the energy and space which can be used by my soul, in the journey back....
Who is getting rid of the ego or by who ego is getting rid of?
Is ego not self and if not are there two, viz ego and self...
The real question to be asked what is cause of illusion of me. Then we do rest part..
I did not understand but I practice to repeat what K calls idiotic words and it helps me to feel better.
There is no need of effort to rid of the 'I'. To have the desire to get rid of it will only breed conflict as the thought will create another image of the self as separate. When you understand the nature of 'I' and its relationship, the self will dissolve by itself.
No matter what we do...we will go through everything crappy. it will not end until death. make yourself your best friend - coz you will need yourself when you hug death. did I scare you by mentioning death?
One must learn to die to live my friend.
I think you scared yourself
Pardon, me, i don't understand the speaker. Can anyone here, simplify it for me??
Thank you...
He is not offering religion. He is offering love as a cureall.
wow... now, words seem futile to express what he made me feel... what a soul!!!
You can only dissolve the Unconscious I with the Conscious I....otherwise known as Awareness. There, I just saved you 18 minutes..
@@andreasliebscher8930 yes and no.
Tutto il discorso E' UNA LUNGA E PROFONDA RISPOSTA ALLA DOMANDA "COME DISSOLVERE L'IO E IL ME?"GRAZIEEEEEEEEEEE ...DI QUESTO PER AVERCI DONATO QUESTO MESSAGGIO DI KRISCHNAMURTI
Ultimately Dissolution of self is visavis the other...
Tha answer starts at 8:15 but still many may miss it as it is very briefly stated. Actually in the form of a question !
I have 2 Me's, my soul and my ego.
God assigned me my soul, when I was conceived in my mother's womb, with a blueprint what I would grow to be that is a warm human being.
Then a little later, there was another conception of me, in the brains of my parents, relatives, friends etc. And they started downloading it into my tiny brain soon after I was born, helping me to learn to build my own ego.
However, the 2 Me's have had only one tool, to share that is my body with its sensory gadgets.
Unfortunately for my soul, it was always a losing game because it wasn't trained to compare and compete against anything, especially my powerful ego, and has been allowed no space to stretch out and grow.... Well, I haven't even known it existed ... haven't seen it even once.
Do I have a soul? Do you...? Have you seen or talked to your soul?
Lol Don't get trapped
There's you you & you
ppl blame their ego for their bad deeds and praise themselves(not ego) for bad karma.
Is a fact that humans reflected upon the nature of life for millennia yet we have evolved in such a brutal direction. that shows the discrepancy among us-
How can you get rid of something, that does not exist?
You can love yourself and nobody else
It brings tears ti my eyes when one sees so many people are"on the path of wisdom"
..after BECOME a Self and have the ability to know what is it kinds I have that THINKING of seeing it as
I wonder if anyone ever realizes that all the "words" everyone fights to rid themselves of are taught to everyone in kindergarten. "Words" are manipulations of "breath." To rid the "I", rid the "breath." To know / understand your breath is all there ever will be.
Just after he narrates the questions,, stop!
See.
His silence.
The answer is essentially there.
🙏❤️,,
Be aware and know.
Wen i watching krishnamutthy ..i cant able to comment on it
1. Don’t misunderstand K. He did not say that love is the answer and go love everyone then the “me” will dissolve.
2. He said if love is there then the question to dissolve “me” does not arise. Either one loves or one keeps on performing selfish activities including seeking answers for how to dissolve the me?
3. The answer is @8:13
“It may be that there is nothing to be done.”
And that is what he meant by total negation; when there is total clarity and one abandon all action in this direction then the “me” is absent.
The problem is as long as the self is there it will keeps on doing something and keeps on reestablishing itself in its doings. And when the self is not then there is no question of doing or not doing. Then there is that thing for which the word is “love”. It is a totally useless word to hold it as concept or an answer.
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The 'I' is just an idea. There is no separate self from anything, you are connected to everything with every breath you take.
Don't expect him to answer your questions...even if he answers in the most direct way...that would be just hearing...not knowing...for to know...u have to experience... awareness is the key...but the question is...where is the lock
To complete negation there is positive action. Immense.
By complete surrendering we dissolve the ''I''which means without thoughts and emotions!!being fully present in the present moment!!
K's teaching is a part of human consciousness,but to dissolve self we need to be free of consciousness(including K's teaching) . (thought,memory,knowledge is the content of consciousness). K also pointed out thats impossible,he said we need to do this impossible because we have tried every possible way without success.so we have to do this impossible way.there is no other way.(ref.K's discussion with pupul ji)...i think in that process(just call it not actual) there is a desire but that is just a desire.that desire itself is not like desire,its like pure desire not good or bad intention nor wanting something.because you already know after dissolving self you'll get nothing so there is no question of desire. it looks like that love(which K describe in this video).i may be right...can anyone explain it to me?
I have found listening to near-death experiences from those who went through them very helpful in better understanding Krishnamurti. In those experiences there seems to be no feelings for the “body” / its pain, but a lot of interest for compassion and understanding outside of any time. Why do we “store” memories if not to “become” the “power” who will avenge (hurt) or profit (pleasure)?
I feel like he just poses more questions and throws it back at the audience. He also does these long mystical silences just to tell you any which way he knows just about as much as you do. It's like pseudowisdom.its like if I say " tell me how to find the truth" first understand the" Tell me" before you understand the " find " and when you have understood the "find" go back and ask yourself what do I mean by "tell me". It's all circular with no real answers
Good question, same that I often ask... I understand the answer in a way.. but "Love" is something difficult to come by. That also seems to be the only way out of the whole mess...
тхере ис сурмоунтинг евиденце тхат усинг цертаин цхемицалс цан диссолве, ор ратхер интеррупт тхе цонтиниоус цонструцт оф селф, ор его, тхат оур браин цонтинуе то цреате.
there is surmounting evidence that using certain chemicals can dissolve, or rather interrupt the continuous construct of self, or Ego, that our brains continue to create.... interpolating it with reality.
Awestruck ✨✨
I would add to this that the default human condition is focus on self preservation. The work to dissolve self cannot begin, until there is comfort in living. While one if having to survive one cannot detach from self preservation. When you are comfortable with a food, shelter and warmth, one can begin to contemplate beyond survival. We create outward connections (networks/internet/communications) because we have inner connections that are subconscious. We yearn outwardly to reproduce that which is inside. When ego is dissolved, only love remains.