You’re listening to someone who cracked the code of thinking. Keep listening. No one is more true than this man. You might go around listening to others but you will end up with him. The reason is simple: he knows what he is talking about. In time you might get bored of him because he speaks in the same way and people run away and think he doesn’t touch the heart of people. But this is a huge misunderstanding, because he shows you the way intellectually and the opening of the heart will be your sweetest surprise. He doesn’t want his experience to be yours; he simply wants you to have your own. He throws you into the ocean of your deepest fears and lets you swim alone. Nobody can swim for you. And there is the success of a true master.
Wouldn't this text be even more beautiful, if it was just a question? It is your perspective, but I would like to read how you are looking for the answer, that maybe hidden behind all conclusions.
Nobody can swim for you??.. Well Jesus walked on water...and Peter followed ..no?..and he failed on walking on water ..and Jesus came and gave him a hand! Listen to me...if other saints would not swim for you.. Or help you...do you really think you'd do it by yourself?.. kissi:)
Ricardo Montanez "Who realizes there is no self?" There is just realisation, without "someone" realising. The same with thoughts. There are thoughts, without a "thinker" The thinker, knower, is just a thought/concept.
maybe I think soul can have no conflict. Mind always has conflict because logic will approach paradox and have to hand it off to the soul for a chill pill. Egyptians had a few "souls", probably, like we do, mind, soul, ego, id, super consciousness, etc?
Wow, what he's saying is soo simple i almost didn't notice it even though he was describing it clearly. Now that ive noticed it i can't unnotice it. He's speaking clearly and logically, with no metaphor except for the fact that human language is imperfect. What he says in this speech is a single idea over and over again. And I've just watched some of his other speeches and they are all saying the exact same thing. What he's saying is that your capacity to reason is within yourself, not outside yourself, stop referring to gurus like him, simply observe the truth within yourself, don't refer to wrong ideas from society or wrong ideas that you created from your own past, all these extra filters(wrong ideas from society and past you) are stopping you from simply observing truth... That's what i got from it anyway
@@lathaaddepalli4242 I'd say we have to learn to recognize what is true within us, and what is not, what belongs to us, and what doesn't. Which lies have we been led to believe, which lies we tell ourselves. And then, to try to be conscious of what we think and what we feel and what we do, without judgement, and figure out why we are the way we are. But I'm still learning. We all are. And we must figure out for ourselves, we cannot be told how to do it.
@@lathaaddepalli4242 You know the truth by observing what is false, as it will soon dissolve when given enough attention. Whatever remains simply is, until you generate a false reality again. Become swift and active in this process and maybe you'll become closer to the truth by becoming less attached to what is not the truth. As an example, I'm sure you can think of many times in your life when this has happened to you or someone else in a passive manner. A damaged ego from being called out by someone. Falling for a scam, or even the confusion of love and lust. I'm reminded of a documentary called FYRE: The Greatest Party That Never Happened. It greatly shows an egotistical/narcissistic? organizer getting carried away and ignoring the signs. He denies them and pushes harder and harder to make this event happen with greater risk and danger. All others involved becomes conflicted and swept up in the chaos. A community damaged, millions $$ lost. The groupthink phenomenon is also like this.
I am a filipno, I am 60 years old now(2024) this is the most beautiful momment10:57 in my life I here Jiddu Khrishnamurti. Oh thank you much that I found this channel. From Philippines, thank you so much.
Ur mistakening something, the child will always speak the truth for he has no reason to lie, it is when he lies even when he has abundance of something he is no longer innocent, would you say the child who stole to survive in the streets a liar when he was threatened by a dumb humongous man who would beat teh shit out of him. It isn’t about saying you are innocent or not, rather speaking the truth. Someone can very well be enlightened at that particular moment but the fact is the universe is so vast as a human soul we cannot comprehend it, life death creation itself. To be enlightened for this life is to know that everything is an illusion, everything is true and false at the same time. What we do in our life doesn’t really matter, but we must do it for we have a role to play in this cosmic drama, To be enlightened is to realise that it doesn’t matter and yet be okay with it. Give without the expectation of getting back; passion, love At least that’s what i think it is.
@Dònal Brügge its because you are not aware of your actions that moment. thought takes over the vehicle of the mind while you are sleeping. But there is nothing to be enlightened about you are always there, its just the matter of awareness
This man was the best Master to ever live. The Perfect Master greater than anybody. I dont know how he did not at least finally become the Worldwide Teacher that all waited for , he was perfect.
I was 'Yes, Bro' too, then I lost it when he said - 'Violence is fact and Non-violence is non-fact' It seemed of upmost importance that the recipient grasp his quotation on violence. I need to understand his quotation on violence for the benefit of myself and others, but his wording here, I'm not able to make of it. Are you able to help me understand this quote?
Jason Wakefield To explain what enlightenment is, J.K. Cited the example of a hypothetical person who thinks s/he is violent and wants to become non-violent. So violence is a fact for that individual and non-violence is an idea whereas in ultimate reality, there are no opposites, only non duality. Perception is action meaning that once you start observing every single action of yours, violence slowly will start fading away from your life with the power of perception, attention(light). Every single action, word, thought or feeling is an act of violence that intends to harm others or ourselves in any way(JK talked about hate, jealousy etc), so it will be a journey from violence to 0 violence- it’s all one concept, no opposites- same thing on a spectrum. This work is there only to unravel or uncover what is already there, enlightenment in that sense is not a journey in or through time rather peeling off and uncovering what is already always here, which is you, the light, the truth, enlightenment is there if you’ve started observing your own patterns, it’s not there if you’ve not.
Yes...I can say surely that many Indian so called gurus, speakers, ...Now a days use his talks to learn and become popular....donot know why less people view this great talk....But bitter truth is that very less people know him and miss the genuine info....
JK was the "chosen one" for the theosophical society as a great enlightened being and he was exposed to all the scriptures of the world in an effort to manufacture a perfect realised human being. Most of what he says is borrowed directly from advaita vedanta and buddhism. He extorts us to recognise the trap of names and forms, yet walks us into the trap probably inadvertently. Please note, I am not saying he is showing any intellectual dishonesty on purpose. But having watched JK's videos, I cant help seeing the congruence of thoughts and ideas being presented, with different words. JK's videos convinces me that there are no free thinkers - because there are no free thoughts.
Yes !bad talk ?gurus a guru is a teacher and a sat guru is a true master that gives grace. the fifth function of the creator.and furthermore no guru ever said they are realized or enlightened .I've never heard any say that do don't listen to Judd he just as ingnorant as his listeners
Mindfulness meditation should be the practice that follows JK insights, just observing and not analyzing and its amazing how feelings just are, and dissolves the moment you observe them for a period of time. Based on my experience, Im working in a project with a friend and I had an internal issue because I didnt like his ideas in an ego perspective. The main problem was the ideal I was chasing, so his idea wasnt good enough under my perspective, so I meditated through. I could ve confronted him and been in a conflict and maybe persuade him to follow my idea but instead of that, I observed the root of my anger and dissatisfaction, and my conflict ended doing that through a period of meditation. After resolving my issues i realized that you can become and friction free human being, conquering you physical, mental and spiritual/energetic body. Thats the path. The one that someone is when he stops looking for it. I love paradoxes. All mysteries lay behind a paradox.
It is agreed that we are not the body, the mind or the intellect ; we are that supreme consciousness, a state of being one without a second, if that is so, to whom is the enlightenment ! The realisation that we are not this body, mind and intellect and bringing it into awareness at every moment of our life, itself is enlightenment !!
This idea gives me an incredible sense of comfort when I think about creating art, because it means I could create something now that I could enjoy 30, 40 years from now and others could too if I stick to the truth of what I know
so profound again, he goes levels deeper than many thinker speaker, even further than great speakers of advaita vedanta for example... if this doesnt wake you up...
I love Krishnamurti. Wise, sincere and humble. His beautiful discourse leads me to comment in this way: Time by itself avails us of nothing in the way of depth. Time by itself is a collection of experiences within which lies hidden liberating wisdom. The only way to this wisdom is meditation, which is often catalyzed by distress, anguish, suffering. Meditation is the inward observational and thoughtful process that elicits consciousness, awareness, in the form of epiphanies and insights. Meditation is the bridge that takes us from experience to oneness, from hell to heaven, from fear to acceptance, being in the moment. Said simply, meditation is the cornerstone of spiritual evolution. Enlightenment, as I see it then, is to understand how to access the depths within, the inner light, the inner guidance.
I'm so happy that I came across teachings of K... I'm not sure whether he would like being termed that way.. Thank you Krishna ji... You live forever.. Thank you...
“Perception is action, it’s NOT perception followed by an interval and then action happens. Because in that interval you create the IDEA 💡 of YOU doing the action” so nicely put 🙏🏽 this pretty much sums up how the illusion of self and free-will is created when we perceive things with ignorance.
Holdup free will is not an illusion my friend Edit: oh you meant when we see things with ignorance.. I’m sorry.. see ? I saw your comment with ignorance and I had the illusion you were wrong
Since we are all stating our concept of enlightenment I'm gonna weigh in too lol Here is the "far out" version: the ability to focus awareness beyond the senses to experience the deepest level of reality that can be interpreted by the mind. Here's the "realistic" version: mindful acknowledgement of thoughts to systematically deconstruct social programming in order to gain intuitive knowledge on existential matters; ie answers to all questions. This term gets put on a pedestal but pretty sure the story of Buddha says he became enlightened after realizing he was the whole time. Therefore actively trying to be enlightened is counter productive. Consider neural plasticity; when you consciously relax your mind the neural connections that comprise your regular thought patterns are weakened making it easier to form new connections. Pair this with the concept of the collective unconscious and also the concept that the brain functions like a radio. Relaxing your consciousness opens the neural pathways which makes your brain capable of receiving an increased range of frequencies. Like putting your radio on "seek" only its not pop culture drivel its cosmic fucking energy!!!
To be set free contains in the Choiceless Awareness with intelligence+love acting through this physical vessel. Like a fireman saving a toddler, a fragile man standing in front of a moving tank, there is no TIME, the flame just shone through! " We think therefore we are" belongs to a by-gone era. Humanity is dying with a bullet at the heart, we don't ask who, why, what, when, how fired the bullet but through this Supreme Enlightnment to act, not as a discipline, but action with spontaneous wisdom and love.
Ha I like what you said the creative principle acts spontaneous an ounce of spontaneoeitinity is worth a ton of rules .it works this way too . sometimes you see me sometimes you don't .like a child playing hide and seek peek Abu I see you
Fantastic😊. The perception of the fact, which is duality. The violent self, for example, and the non-violent self coexist in the now. The causal relation between both polar images, the film of the violent being pursuing a solution (with all its derived narratives), which is time and space, defines the movement of thought. In essence, there is no causality, no time and no space between the two images, absolutely. Beyond the walls of the bounded reality of thought ("matrix"), both images coexist quantumly. The detection of that duality is equal to the meeting and annihilation of the opposites, of the particle and the antiparticle. The collision between the two in the now, beyond time, releases an enormous amount of energy (perception-action). Antimatter has not disappeared... The problem is materialism, the reduction of everything to matter, which is the fruit of the dual observation of thought.
It is always there,but we do not notice,becouse we are trapped in time. JK had a dramatic process (through time) ,that led him to enlightenment, a process that led him to surrender to the present moment,and there he noticed psychological time is the enemy to beat.
Outstanding. So deep and profound. So marvellous. Perception is action You see something clearly and the action is immediate. Supreme Enlightenment is when the mind is not in conflict, no sense of striving, going,moving,achieving and just the perception of truth, what is without the perceiver.
I used to read these kinds of words, but I never became enlightened. Then I read the books spoken by energy beings in other dimensions. They are already there where we will be one day. Not that we are not already there. But focus is turned here. Since we are multidimensional projections, then there are many personalities to the soul. We are one of these personalities. Our literal soul has turned its attention towards this dimension while at the same time, this literal soul turns its self towards many other dimensions. Time is simultaneous. All of these personalities are happening at the same time as all of us are within this hologram of the soul . So we can become aware of these other selves. We have to learn how to tune our frequencies towards other dimensions, hoping to feel or hear another voice. We are all one in the same way. We are all images within the image called God, which I have read is much like a holodeck.
No, it won't, life is struggle...life without struggle is nothing....it's possible to rise above it while in it...peace is more than the absence of struggle....
We are so used to view the world through the lenses of our learned ideas and thoughts that we're not able to see it purely. Even the concepts of time and self are learned. To be enlightened is to view everything without the lenses of our mind. You have the access to that truth here and now, but it is in a way hiding below all the thinking your mind is preoccupied with. The mind has gone to an autopilot state where sensory inputs are immediately classified through our thought patterns, and therefore, we are not able to see the world as it is
I was always told this kind sir was weird and hard to perceive, conplicated and frustrating to hear. But its The oposite! His words are só Simple and effective. He is a genius at explaining. Awesome he is
Well, through self-knowing you come to understand him, otherwise you don't have contact point with his words. Well, if I may say something I also understand him by involving my mind by visualizing, associating and so on. Be alert.
so deep. " It is there, or it is not there." We can choose to be humble and learn, and we can also choose to be arrogant and boastful. It's in our choices but also in our honesty, out rational thinking and our logical state of mind. Not in our Truth but "in" the TRUHT.
I wonder him for his simplicity and kinder gesture of such precious words...,amidst the people who says them gurus and can't answer anything directly, and everything they preaches with attitude....hats off to you sir, I wonder how people can identify real guide ........I ended up finding ur speech... thank u
Enlightment and the inner truth of everything cannot be explained, because there is no opposite of it. Something is. It is not determinied by its non existence.
It's the first time i watch him an I finally understand that they all say the same thing! They just use different words and sometimes they don't understand each other, yet their message is the same! :))))
I agree with you. And then read the comments with vehement claims that "there is no enlightenment, only realisation" or some such mumbo jumbo, JK's sharp intellect is falling into wrong hands and can hurt like any knife.
Most think it is the removing of the false finite notion of a self. Then some feel great from doing that from which sometimes comes delusion as a self emerges again to acquire the experience. A more wholesome definition would be the removing of the finite notion of self and the finite verbal or image notions of everyone and everything into clear and present infinite actuality. So then a meditation isn't just a no-self/self actualizing solo process but a river that spreads non-limiting whatever consciousness it pervades loosening through space.
After experiencing an awakening . I feel a sense of higher awarness and mostly a silent mind. But this comes and goes but the awarness stays but the thing is you don t cling to your thoughts and emotions anymore . It s just you flow like water . You don t identify anymore yourself with the ego. But this needs constant care because in our ordinary life it s easy to be lost in karma again. Anyway life is an illusion you can dream it the way you want to.
I heard a saying in regards to the way it comes and goes, some people worry that when it goes it might not come back, but it is always there. Like at night, when you look up and see the stars and the immense universe, then during the day, you can’t see it anymore, but it’s still there. No need to worry, it will be back. I agree, modern life, with work, bills, distractions, it can be difficult to maintain the impartial observer, and you might find yourself slipping back into total identification with experience. You know conceptually that it can be different, but the knowing of this doesn’t allow you to regain that internal space. You need to go back to your basic practice of observation, then you can feel what is like to be the observer then, and it will be more likely to be maintained. For some people, they want to have a small practice at some time in the day, and then continue on normally as they always do. But to those who have awoken this higher awareness, this inner observer which has space from that which it observes, they know they are that, and so continue to do so throughout the day where possible. And when life pulls you in again, to be aware when this has happened, this can help pull you out again. Like you said, care and maintenance is required. Good luck and be well.
When a man says he is humble or compassionate, in relation to the definition of humble or compassionate, he is so. That is only how he could identify that state of being humble or compassionate. From definition one starts with a path in mind and on confirming himself or herself to the definition laid out by Buddha or Krishna or Christ, thoughts deceive itself into attaining that state through time and believe in Nirvana or Holy Father. Wow!
Enlightenment is the state of expanded awareness in which one real-I-zes that their true nature is not that bag of biological processes that they traipse's around in. When you re-discover that this 'game of life' is just that a GAME, and you got lost and forgot that fact. -namaskaram
I don't know if I understood him but I felt he is talking about to be in the moment and saying about not projecting something else with time and from that moment. Because after all those things are not real whatever we project and we can't see truth maybe I'm not getting it but this person is amazing.
‘’ All the life experiences we go through lifetime after lifetimes, all the self reflection, spiritual practices, self work we do, is for us to develop the human psych into maturity’’.’’ It’s not about walking on water, it isn’t about knowledge beyond measure’’, it is developing the human psych to the point of maturity, that’s when enlightenment naturally happens’’. ‘’It’s doesn’t depend on age, or how tuff ones experience was…. It is a inner growth thing, that’s why it’s called self realization, the self transformation will happen naturally, it all depends on the individual, can take one lifetime, can take many, all up to you and how fast you can and willing to grow spiritually’’. ❤🌎🌸🌺🌼🌹🌷🌷🌸🌺🌼
@@emendatus1 He also says not to follow him and make him your guru.. He gives insights based on his experience, you have to walk thru your own experience.. He just wants you to be curious and observe your thoughts and know it completely.. His experience won’t be necessarily yours! He had a razor sharp intellect to not stick to any memory and erase it as it happens and live moment to moment negating everything that he isn’t and what remains is what is.. Not everyone has this gift .. There are many ways to get to truth.. The path of negation was his way!
@@anthonygenovese5338 The physical body will generate a response to the punch. Neurons will fire and will bring about thoughts, feelings, and sensations. Since you have identified those with pain and have also identified with how one responds to pain, one generally responds to that pain. But since you're the awareness that witnesses and observes all these thoughts, feelings, and sensations that project onto the mind, you are capable of not responding to pain in the traditional sense. You can take the monk who lit himself on fire and meditated through the entire thing and didn't flinch. Or the monks who travel high up into the snowy mountains to meditate with wet blankets wrapped around them as a challenge to see who can detach for the longest. It is surely possible, to withstand severe pain and distress, just a matter of who chooses to push it in my opinion.
From what I have understood, enlightenment or the common concept of enlightenment from a personal perspective is foremostly attributed to: the gaining of an understanding, an understanding that with which one may unburden oneself of needless occupation; allowing oneself to be useful.
This video comes when I searched what is enlightenment. And I subscribed it BTW who he is please if someone knows tell me. I can search on google but this is the last video I decided to watch before sleep and I don't want to change it.❤
Such a strong rational thinking and observing the line of thought requires so much effort. Our mind as an adult is filled with noise and images of self. Some times i wonder kids are closer to reaching enlightenment than adults.
Great teaching of Krishnamurti. Sometime people ask me , how to reach and get enlightenment. Before replying that , I am asking you , if you see a person lost in a city and you approach that person and ask him what is your name and what you are looking for and you looked lost. Then the person will tell you that he lost his way to home. Then you ask him, please tell me what is your address or where do you live ? if you know the address then you will help him to find the place or you will ask someone help. So you are searching for enlightenment and in the same way I am asking from you what is the address ? where do you live ?
Enlightenment is the aura of light that comes from within and cannot be spread like a spoken word because the heart is more powerful than the understanding of the enlightenment. This isn’t supposed to make any sense by the way. But some people will say: oh yes, that makes sense.
Moment some one say I am enlightened..They are not 😀 Its very true. As in today's world so called Guru and few others constantly giving ways practices to be enlightened and referring themselves enlightened.
Illumination, this sense of ultimate reality is not of time, perception is action, "not" - perception, great interval and action. In that interval you create the idea. The ultimate thing which is truth is not to be achieved through time, it can never be achieved. It is there or it is not there
An enlightened person finally sees in his spiritual journey today that he has become so much firmly settled in the Lotus Feet of GOD that today he clearly understands that his new and transformed life is worthy of living with his own true identity of adwaitic purnabrahmanayanan sacchidananda paramarthik suddhachaitanyarup Paramatma and his true nature of suddha pabitra chintahin amalin sahaj saral shanta and nata satyaswarupa that is with him himself only and nothing else.
Krishnamurti has always eschewed the idea of enlightenment, and for a very good reason. "The essence of what we are cannot become, attain, obtain, or even change, because it is fundamental...There is no enlightenment. It is an idea that is promoted by those who have no experience beyond the self. The self can never be enlightened, and beyond the self is consciousness, which is already whole and therefore cannot become anything, including enlightened. At best, enlightenment is an ideal or a metaphor." - Vic Shayne, author, 13 Pillars of Consciousness
I never knew about him until recently when I had accidentally clicked on a Bruce Lee video.... I understand from the comments that he has more followers in the west than in India.... am sure many Indians don't even know about him just like me.... Moreover, his lectures seem to be hard to understand.... I guess I haven't reached to that level of spirituality to understand all this
He didn't want followers and is against spiritual leaders because he thinks spirituality comes within and religions and leaders simplify spirituality for the masses.
To simplify let’s say enlightenment is perfection in field like sports or arts and dance - you can only get better, enjoy the process and journey but you can’t claim to be perfect which is enlightenment according to him
enlightenment is an experience. Which you will experience after being absolutely still physically as well as mentally.. No one can explain this. Because experience is the ultimate and the only teacher.
I was doing this before even hearing about krishnamurti, not because I knew what I was doing, but because I had no chance. When you realize finally that there is nothing you can do but focus on what is there, you will feel a sense of stillness. feelings are facts, thoughts are not. so focus on your feelings because they exist in reality, unlike thoughts which are an illusion.
You do not obtain or achieve enlightenment, you already have or are 'IT' within you. Your job is to connect with 'IT', the essence of all being. Most people do this via silent meditation.
You’re listening to someone who cracked the code of thinking. Keep listening. No one is more true than this man. You might go around listening to others but you will end up with him. The reason is simple: he knows what he is talking about. In time you might get bored of him because he speaks in the same way and people run away and think he doesn’t touch the heart of people. But this is a huge misunderstanding, because he shows you the way intellectually and the opening of the heart will be your sweetest surprise. He doesn’t want his experience to be yours; he simply wants you to have your own. He throws you into the ocean of your deepest fears and lets you swim alone. Nobody can swim for you. And there is the success of a true master.
wonderfully said!
U really said these so simply and beautifully.
Wouldn't this text be even more beautiful, if it was just a question? It is your perspective, but I would like to read how you are looking for the answer, that maybe hidden behind all conclusions.
Nobody can swim for you??..
Well Jesus walked on water...and Peter followed ..no?..and he failed on walking on water ..and Jesus came and gave him a hand!
Listen to me...if other saints would not swim for you..
Or help you...do you really think you'd do it by yourself?..
kissi:)
@@ayeeye1524 What are you searching for?
"Enlightenment is the realization that there is no self to be Enlightened"
Marty Ritz and who realizes that there is no self?
just repeatition without understanding
Ricardo Montanez "Who realizes there is no self?"
There is just realisation, without "someone" realising. The same with thoughts. There are thoughts, without a "thinker"
The thinker, knower, is just a thought/concept.
True
``realisation ``is NEVER enlightment
I want to thank Jiddu sir and the creators of this channel from the bottom of my heart...
"A supreme enlightenment means that a mind has no conflict"
yes the mind is pure and the body must be also
to house the enlightened being and state of being
maybe I think soul can have no conflict. Mind always has conflict because logic will approach paradox and have to hand it off to the soul for a chill pill. Egyptians had a few "souls", probably, like we do, mind, soul, ego, id, super consciousness, etc?
@@thecrystaldoor7258it seems so, the crystal door your name is beautiful❤ as your words are.
Wow, what he's saying is soo simple i almost didn't notice it even though he was describing it clearly. Now that ive noticed it i can't unnotice it. He's speaking clearly and logically, with no metaphor except for the fact that human language is imperfect. What he says in this speech is a single idea over and over again. And I've just watched some of his other speeches and they are all saying the exact same thing. What he's saying is that your capacity to reason is within yourself, not outside yourself, stop referring to gurus like him, simply observe the truth within yourself, don't refer to wrong ideas from society or wrong ideas that you created from your own past, all these extra filters(wrong ideas from society and past you) are stopping you from simply observing truth... That's what i got from it anyway
But how to do that.....
How to observe the truth within
@@lathaaddepalli4242 I'd say we have to learn to recognize what is true within us, and what is not, what belongs to us, and what doesn't. Which lies have we been led to believe, which lies we tell ourselves. And then, to try to be conscious of what we think and what we feel and what we do, without judgement, and figure out why we are the way we are. But I'm still learning. We all are. And we must figure out for ourselves, we cannot be told how to do it.
@@lathaaddepalli4242 use of educated mind,intellect,reasoning maybe
@@lathaaddepalli4242 You know the truth by observing what is false, as it will soon dissolve when given enough attention. Whatever remains simply is, until you generate a false reality again. Become swift and active in this process and maybe you'll become closer to the truth by becoming less attached to what is not the truth. As an example, I'm sure you can think of many times in your life when this has happened to you or someone else in a passive manner. A damaged ego from being called out by someone. Falling for a scam, or even the confusion of love and lust. I'm reminded of a documentary called FYRE: The Greatest Party That Never Happened. It greatly shows an egotistical/narcissistic? organizer getting carried away and ignoring the signs. He denies them and pushes harder and harder to make this event happen with greater risk and danger. All others involved becomes conflicted and swept up in the chaos. A community damaged, millions $$ lost. The groupthink phenomenon is also like this.
I am a filipno, I am 60 years old now(2024) this is the most beautiful momment10:57 in my life I here Jiddu Khrishnamurti. Oh thank you much that I found this channel. From Philippines, thank you so much.
The moment child says Iam innocent ...... it is no more innocent.....
If a child doesn't say anything about innocent is certainly innocent....
Ur mistakening something, the child will always speak the truth for he has no reason to lie, it is when he lies even when he has abundance of something he is no longer innocent, would you say the child who stole to survive in the streets a liar when he was threatened by a dumb humongous man who would beat teh shit out of him. It isn’t about saying you are innocent or not, rather speaking the truth.
Someone can very well be enlightened at that particular moment but the fact is the universe is so vast as a human soul we cannot comprehend it, life death creation itself. To be enlightened for this life is to know that everything is an illusion, everything is true and false at the same time. What we do in our life doesn’t really matter, but we must do it for we have a role to play in this cosmic drama,
To be enlightened is to realise that it doesn’t matter and yet be okay with it. Give without the expectation of getting back; passion, love
At least that’s what i think it is.
a child walks on the beach,
she sees a shell,
is a treasure.
a man walks on the side walk,
he sees a bill,
is a treasure.
Sir you got it really. Thanks. How many people are there in India like us.
Good
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There is no "enlightenment" to be achieved. You are always here.
@Dònal Brügge its because you are not aware of your actions that moment. thought takes over the vehicle of the mind while you are sleeping. But there is nothing to be enlightened about you are always there, its just the matter of awareness
@@rambocool4284 How do you notice is it more often?
@Dònal Brügge world doesnt exist its a projection of our minds:)
A self realised person attains enlightenment and after His current life attains Liberation!
This man was the best Master to ever live. The Perfect Master greater than anybody. I dont know how he did not at least finally become the Worldwide Teacher that all waited for , he was perfect.
Last couple lines were the best - "it cannot be achieved. It is there, or it is not there."
Agree, Also when he said that to observe with no direction or motive then there is no conflict was well put to.
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TheJooberjones Yes. We cannot 'Become' THAT which we already ARE.
It is a discovery of that which is, nothing is achieved.
so who gives a ?
Love when he asks "are you following all this" I'm yelling out "YES BroTher!!!!" Im with ya bro!!
bahahahaha I cracked up!
I was 'Yes, Bro' too, then I lost it when he said -
'Violence is fact and Non-violence is non-fact'
It seemed of upmost importance that the recipient grasp his quotation on violence.
I need to understand his quotation on violence for the benefit of myself and others, but his wording here, I'm not able to make of it.
Are you able to help me understand this quote?
Jason Wakefield To explain what enlightenment is, J.K. Cited the example of a hypothetical person who thinks s/he is violent and wants to become non-violent. So violence is a fact for that individual and non-violence is an idea whereas in ultimate reality, there are no opposites, only non duality. Perception is action meaning that once you start observing every single action of yours, violence slowly will start fading away from your life with the power of perception, attention(light). Every single action, word, thought or feeling is an act of violence that intends to harm others or ourselves in any way(JK talked about hate, jealousy etc), so it will be a journey from violence to 0 violence- it’s all one concept, no opposites- same thing on a spectrum. This work is there only to unravel or uncover what is already there, enlightenment in that sense is not a journey in or through time rather peeling off and uncovering what is already always here, which is you, the light, the truth, enlightenment is there if you’ve started observing your own patterns, it’s not there if you’ve not.
Mahakyabje always wants to make sure he and the rest are in the Same Page even though he fully knows they are not.....
Just keep on following him and you will understand what he is talking.
Don't agree or disagree, just observe 💯
You get it 😉
Ha! EXACTLY. ❤
Yeah... 💯💯💯
he disagreed not to observe@@Krishna13847
Yes...I can say surely that many Indian so called gurus, speakers, ...Now a days use his talks to learn and become popular....donot know why less people view this great talk....But bitter truth is that very less people know him and miss the genuine info....
I think JK reaches you when you are ready- not that you can reach him/ just follow him/listen to him etc
@@aycademirciturgay4115 only open minded people should discover jk.
JK was the "chosen one" for the theosophical society as a great enlightened being and he was exposed to all the scriptures of the world in an effort to manufacture a perfect realised human being. Most of what he says is borrowed directly from advaita vedanta and buddhism. He extorts us to recognise the trap of names and forms, yet walks us into the trap probably inadvertently. Please note, I am not saying he is showing any intellectual dishonesty on purpose. But having watched JK's videos, I cant help seeing the congruence of thoughts and ideas being presented, with different words.
JK's videos convinces me that there are no free thinkers - because there are no free thoughts.
Perhaps he might be using someone's
Yes !bad talk ?gurus a guru is a teacher and a sat guru is a true master that gives grace. the fifth function of the creator.and furthermore no guru ever said they are realized or enlightened .I've never heard any say that do don't listen to Judd he just as ingnorant as his listeners
Krishnamurti was so compassionate to us, he explained it in a very patience, clear way .
@12:49 “In that interval you create the idea”
He is really saying time is always now and our ideas and concepts obscures the fact.
Thank you Krishnamurti and Krishnamurti Foundation 🙏🕉️
An amazing teacher and enlightened being. 🪷🪷
We are so fortunate to have these great videos. Truth has a power of it's own.
Mindfulness meditation should be the practice that follows JK insights, just observing and not analyzing and its amazing how feelings just are, and dissolves the moment you observe them for a period of time.
Based on my experience, Im working in a project with a friend and I had an internal issue because I didnt like his ideas in an ego perspective. The main problem was the ideal I was chasing, so his idea wasnt good enough under my perspective, so I meditated through. I could ve confronted him and been in a conflict and maybe persuade him to follow my idea but instead of that, I observed the root of my anger and dissatisfaction, and my conflict ended doing that through a period of meditation.
After resolving my issues i realized that you can become and friction free human being, conquering you physical, mental and spiritual/energetic body.
Thats the path. The one that someone is when he stops looking for it. I love paradoxes. All mysteries lay behind a paradox.
It is agreed that we are not the body, the mind or the intellect ; we are that supreme consciousness, a state of being one without a second, if that is so, to whom is the enlightenment ! The realisation that we are not this body, mind and intellect and bringing it into awareness at every moment of our life, itself is enlightenment !!
This idea gives me an incredible sense of comfort when I think about creating art, because it means I could create something now that I could enjoy 30, 40 years from now and others could too if I stick to the truth of what I know
so profound again, he goes levels deeper than many thinker speaker, even further than great speakers of advaita vedanta for example... if this doesnt wake you up...
I love Krishnamurti. Wise, sincere and humble.
His beautiful discourse leads me to comment in this way:
Time by itself avails us of nothing in the way of depth. Time by itself is a collection of experiences within which lies hidden liberating wisdom. The only way to this wisdom is meditation, which is often catalyzed by distress, anguish, suffering.
Meditation is the inward observational and thoughtful process that elicits consciousness, awareness, in the form of epiphanies and insights.
Meditation is the bridge that takes us from experience to oneness, from hell to heaven, from fear to acceptance, being in the moment. Said simply, meditation is the cornerstone of spiritual evolution.
Enlightenment, as I see it then, is to understand how to access the depths within, the inner light, the inner guidance.
I'm so happy that I came across teachings of K... I'm not sure whether he would like being termed that way.. Thank you Krishna ji... You live forever.. Thank you...
He referred to himself as "K" :)
@@FreeEnergyTech1 cuz krishna is too much for a white tongue
this is the first time i heard this, he is great. it makes my eyes water
“Perception is action, it’s NOT perception followed by an interval and then action happens. Because in that interval you create the IDEA 💡 of YOU doing the action” so nicely put 🙏🏽 this pretty much sums up how the illusion of self and free-will is created when we perceive things with ignorance.
Holdup free will is not an illusion my friend
Edit: oh you meant when we see things with ignorance.. I’m sorry.. see ? I saw your comment with ignorance and I had the illusion you were wrong
Seems like JK is from a different planet. So much insight,,
Since we are all stating our concept of enlightenment I'm gonna weigh in too lol Here is the "far out" version: the ability to focus awareness beyond the senses to experience the deepest level of reality that can be interpreted by the mind. Here's the "realistic" version: mindful acknowledgement of thoughts to systematically deconstruct social programming in order to gain intuitive knowledge on existential matters; ie answers to all questions. This term gets put on a pedestal but pretty sure the story of Buddha says he became enlightened after realizing he was the whole time. Therefore actively trying to be enlightened is counter productive. Consider neural plasticity; when you consciously relax your mind the neural connections that comprise your regular thought patterns are weakened making it easier to form new connections. Pair this with the concept of the collective unconscious and also the concept that the brain functions like a radio. Relaxing your consciousness opens the neural pathways which makes your brain capable of receiving an increased range of frequencies. Like putting your radio on "seek" only its not pop culture drivel its cosmic fucking energy!!!
WHY ?
Too hard for me to understand
To be set free contains in the Choiceless Awareness with intelligence+love acting through this physical vessel. Like a fireman saving a toddler, a fragile man standing in front of a moving tank, there is no TIME, the flame just shone through! " We think therefore we are" belongs to a by-gone era. Humanity is dying with a bullet at the heart, we don't ask who, why, what, when, how fired the bullet but through this Supreme Enlightnment to act, not as a discipline, but action with spontaneous wisdom and love.
Ha I like what you said the creative principle acts spontaneous an ounce of spontaneoeitinity is worth a ton of rules .it works this way too . sometimes you see me sometimes you don't .like a child playing hide and seek peek Abu I see you
Fantastic😊. The perception of the fact, which is duality. The violent self, for example, and the non-violent self coexist in the now. The causal relation between both polar images, the film of the violent being pursuing a solution (with all its derived narratives), which is time and space, defines the movement of thought. In essence, there is no causality, no time and no space between the two images, absolutely. Beyond the walls of the bounded reality of thought ("matrix"), both images coexist quantumly.
The detection of that duality is equal to the meeting and annihilation of the opposites, of the particle and the antiparticle. The collision between the two in the now, beyond time, releases an enormous amount of energy (perception-action).
Antimatter has not disappeared... The problem is materialism, the reduction of everything to matter, which is the fruit of the dual observation of thought.
I wish you knew simple English I can't get anything😭
Thank you Dear J. krishnamurti ...is so simple...
I love how he said "to be enlightened about what?" BTW, Krishnamurti really made my life better. Thank you so much for uploading these videos.
"...It's there , or it's not there."
What a certain and hard truth.
It is always there,but we do not notice,becouse we are trapped in time.
JK had a dramatic process (through time) ,that led him to enlightenment, a process that led him to surrender to the present moment,and there he noticed psychological time is the enemy to beat.
Outstanding. So deep and profound. So marvellous. Perception is action You see something clearly and the action is immediate. Supreme Enlightenment is when the mind is not in conflict, no sense of striving, going,moving,achieving and just the perception of truth, what is without the perceiver.
I used to read these kinds of words, but I never became enlightened. Then I read the books spoken by energy beings in other dimensions. They are already there where we will be one day. Not that we are not already there. But focus is turned here. Since we are multidimensional projections, then there are many personalities to the soul. We are one of these personalities. Our literal soul has turned its attention towards this dimension while at the same time, this literal soul turns its self towards many other dimensions. Time is simultaneous. All of these personalities are happening at the same time as all of us are within this hologram of the soul . So we can become aware of these other selves. We have to learn how to tune our frequencies towards other dimensions, hoping to feel or hear another voice. We are all one in the same way. We are all images within the image called God, which I have read is much like a holodeck.
K is unique, sane and authentic.
What a moment, so glad I get to see this...
the day when people like jk will be taken seriously instead of any film star the all suffering of Mankind will end. MARK MY WORDS
I don't think it's as easy as that at all.
absolutely sir
No, it won't, life is struggle...life without struggle is nothing....it's possible to rise above it while in it...peace is more than the absence of struggle....
We are so used to view the world through the lenses of our learned ideas and thoughts that we're not able to see it purely. Even the concepts of time and self are learned. To be enlightened is to view everything without the lenses of our mind. You have the access to that truth here and now, but it is in a way hiding below all the thinking your mind is preoccupied with. The mind has gone to an autopilot state where sensory inputs are immediately classified through our thought patterns, and therefore, we are not able to see the world as it is
I was always told this kind sir was weird and hard to perceive, conplicated and frustrating to hear. But its The oposite! His words are só Simple and effective. He is a genius at explaining. Awesome he is
Please explain in not able to get it
Well, through self-knowing you come to understand him, otherwise you don't have contact point with his words. Well, if I may say something I also understand him by involving my mind by visualizing, associating and so on. Be alert.
Enlightenment is realization of we are nothing... Experience of no mind
Very critical to put into action because whatever he delivered is logically understandable.....
so deep. " It is there, or it is not there." We can choose to be humble and learn, and we can also choose to be arrogant and boastful. It's in our choices but also in our honesty, out rational thinking and our logical state of mind. Not in our Truth but "in" the TRUHT.
To see without thinking. This is how we escape time.
Why would one do such a thing?
I wonder him for his simplicity and kinder gesture of such precious words...,amidst the people who says them gurus and can't answer anything directly, and everything they preaches with attitude....hats off to you sir, I wonder how people can identify real guide ........I ended up finding ur speech... thank u
Vanity is not the opposite of humility. When one ends, the other starts! Word!
Enlightment and the inner truth of everything cannot be explained, because there is no opposite of it. Something is. It is not determinied by its non existence.
It's the first time i watch him an I finally understand that they all say the same thing! They just use different words and sometimes they don't understand each other, yet their message is the same! :))))
YES!!
I’m not the first Boeddha and won’t be the last.
Boeddha
Ring a bell?✌🏼🙂
yes so true.. and also in. most cases, its useless.
@@9charlie84 what is boeddha?
@yuji tsukada one stop.. not destination.
I understand like this.
"Enlightenment is a deep understanding/perception/feeling about everything in the universe/universes"
Enlightenment is that which is when the ignorance ends! When the ignorance isn’t, the other is!
He himself was enlightened, his humility is just what was exceptional and wouldn't let him address himself as enlightened.
I agree with you. And then read the comments with vehement claims that "there is no enlightenment, only realisation" or some such mumbo jumbo, JK's sharp intellect is falling into wrong hands and can hurt like any knife.
That's an ego the humble ego .a enlightened man has no ego
Most think it is the removing of the false finite notion of a self. Then some feel great from doing that from which sometimes comes delusion as a self emerges again to acquire the experience. A more wholesome definition would be the removing of the finite notion of self and the finite verbal or image notions of everyone and everything into clear and present infinite actuality. So then a meditation isn't just a no-self/self actualizing solo process but a river that spreads non-limiting whatever consciousness it pervades loosening through space.
the way this man thinks, I think we need MORE like him so that the world becomes a BETTER place
Freethinker
"Humility is not the opposite of vanity. When the vanity ends the other is."
After experiencing an awakening . I feel a sense of higher awarness and mostly a silent mind. But this comes and goes but the awarness stays but the thing is you don t cling to your thoughts and emotions anymore . It s just you flow like water . You don t identify anymore yourself with the ego. But this needs constant care because in our ordinary life it s easy to be lost in karma again. Anyway life is an illusion you can dream it the way you want to.
I heard a saying in regards to the way it comes and goes, some people worry that when it goes it might not come back, but it is always there. Like at night, when you look up and see the stars and the immense universe, then during the day, you can’t see it anymore, but it’s still there. No need to worry, it will be back.
I agree, modern life, with work, bills, distractions, it can be difficult to maintain the impartial observer, and you might find yourself slipping back into total identification with experience. You know conceptually that it can be different, but the knowing of this doesn’t allow you to regain that internal space. You need to go back to your basic practice of observation, then you can feel what is like to be the observer then, and it will be more likely to be maintained.
For some people, they want to have a small practice at some time in the day, and then continue on normally as they always do. But to those who have awoken this higher awareness, this inner observer which has space from that which it observes, they know they are that, and so continue to do so throughout the day where possible. And when life pulls you in again, to be aware when this has happened, this can help pull you out again. Like you said, care and maintenance is required.
Good luck and be well.
So u EXXXPERINCED awekening???????
When a man says he is humble or compassionate, in relation to the definition of humble or compassionate, he is so. That is only how he could identify that state of being humble or compassionate. From definition one starts with a path in mind and on confirming himself or herself to the definition laid out by Buddha or Krishna or Christ, thoughts deceive itself into attaining that state through time and believe in Nirvana or Holy Father. Wow!
Enlightenment is the state of expanded awareness in which one real-I-zes that their true nature is not that bag of biological processes that they traipse's around in. When you re-discover that this 'game of life' is just that a GAME, and you got lost and forgot that fact. -namaskaram
From my viewpoint after realizing the true nature of this reality the real work begins
What is the most important in life??
Ans: *The most important to understand oneself in life* J.K..sir.
I don't know if I understood him but I felt he is talking about to be in the moment and saying about not projecting something else with time and from that moment. Because after all those things are not real whatever we project and we can't see truth maybe I'm not getting it but this person is amazing.
‘’ All the life experiences we go through lifetime after lifetimes, all the self reflection, spiritual practices, self work we do, is for us to develop the human psych into maturity’’.’’ It’s not about walking on water, it isn’t about knowledge beyond measure’’, it is developing the human psych to the point of maturity, that’s when enlightenment naturally happens’’. ‘’It’s doesn’t depend on age, or how tuff ones experience was…. It is a inner growth thing, that’s why it’s called self realization, the self transformation will happen naturally, it all depends on the individual, can take one lifetime, can take many, all up to you and how fast you can and willing to grow spiritually’’. ❤🌎🌸🌺🌼🌹🌷🌷🌸🌺🌼
But Krishnamurti says you wont achieve your goal by what you had written here.
@@emendatus1 He also says not to follow him and make him your guru.. He gives insights based on his experience, you have to walk thru your own experience.. He just wants you to be curious and observe your thoughts and know it completely.. His experience won’t be necessarily yours! He had a razor sharp intellect to not stick to any memory and erase it as it happens and live moment to moment negating everything that he isn’t and what remains is what is.. Not everyone has this gift .. There are many ways to get to truth.. The path of negation was his way!
Thank you to having you JK ❤🙏
Finally i get it completely after listening thousands of times.Understand the process there is no person.
If someone punched you in the nose,would it be only the nose that feels the pain?
@@anthonygenovese5338 The physical body will generate a response to the punch. Neurons will fire and will bring about thoughts, feelings, and sensations. Since you have identified those with pain and have also identified with how one responds to pain, one generally responds to that pain. But since you're the awareness that witnesses and observes all these thoughts, feelings, and sensations that project onto the mind, you are capable of not responding to pain in the traditional sense. You can take the monk who lit himself on fire and meditated through the entire thing and didn't flinch. Or the monks who travel high up into the snowy mountains to meditate with wet blankets wrapped around them as a challenge to see who can detach for the longest. It is surely possible, to withstand severe pain and distress, just a matter of who chooses to push it in my opinion.
From what I have understood, enlightenment or the common concept of enlightenment from a personal perspective is foremostly attributed to:
the gaining of an understanding, an understanding that with which one may unburden oneself of needless occupation; allowing oneself to be useful.
At last he did not conclude n wonderful exercise given to the listeners amazing
What a beautiful spirit.
Krishna murthy has developed some new vocabulary about life and living, now it's up to us to understand it and feel it in our bones
This video comes when I searched what is enlightenment. And I subscribed it BTW who he is please if someone knows tell me. I can search on google but this is the last video I decided to watch before sleep and I don't want to change it.❤
Such a strong rational thinking and observing the line of thought requires so much effort. Our mind as an adult is filled with noise and images of self. Some times i wonder kids are closer to reaching enlightenment than adults.
What will i get with enlightenment that I did not have before. Ramesh Balsekar
Great teaching of Krishnamurti.
Sometime people ask me , how to reach and get enlightenment. Before replying that , I am asking you , if you see a person lost in a city and you approach that person and ask him what is your name and what you are looking for and you looked lost. Then the person will tell you that he lost his way to home. Then you ask him, please tell me what is your address or where do you live ? if you know the address then you will help him to find the place or you will ask someone help. So you are searching for enlightenment and in the same way I am asking from you what is the address ? where do you live ?
Enlightenment is the aura of light that comes from within and cannot be spread like a spoken word because the heart is more powerful than the understanding of the enlightenment. This isn’t supposed to make any sense by the way. But some people will say: oh yes, that makes sense.
You are the only person that answered correctly
If he is confusing you, skip the first part and listen from 11:05.
Just look at all these egos in the comments debating with each other 😂
Humility has always been one of my better traits.
Moment some one say I am enlightened..They are not 😀 Its very true. As in today's world so called Guru and few others constantly giving ways practices to be enlightened and referring themselves enlightened.
Illumination, this sense of ultimate reality is not of time, perception is action, "not" - perception, great interval and action. In that interval you create the idea. The ultimate thing which is truth is not to be achieved through time, it can never be achieved. It is there or it is not there
Changed the speed to 1.5x tempo :D I love reading his books. First time listening. lol.
Cell you suggest me some of his books?
and I keep torturing myself with thoughts 24/7...
We all are brother
@@ChironLastBackup soul
So beautifully explained. Yet we are gullible due to lack of wisdom like this.
Krishna murti ❤❤❤❤❤ I am listening in 2024 ❤❤❤
An enlightened person finally sees in his spiritual journey today that he has become so much firmly settled in the Lotus Feet of GOD that today he clearly understands that his new and transformed life is worthy of living with his own true identity of adwaitic purnabrahmanayanan sacchidananda paramarthik suddhachaitanyarup Paramatma and his true nature of suddha pabitra chintahin amalin sahaj saral shanta and nata satyaswarupa that is with him himself only and nothing else.
Krishnamurti has always eschewed the idea of enlightenment, and for a very good reason.
"The essence of what we are cannot become, attain, obtain, or even change, because it is fundamental...There is no enlightenment. It is an idea that is promoted by those who have no experience beyond the self. The self can never be enlightened, and beyond the self is consciousness, which is already whole and therefore cannot become anything, including enlightened. At best, enlightenment is an ideal or a metaphor." - Vic Shayne, author, 13 Pillars of Consciousness
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I never knew about him until recently when I had accidentally clicked on a Bruce Lee video.... I understand from the comments that he has more followers in the west than in India.... am sure many Indians don't even know about him just like me....
Moreover, his lectures seem to be hard to understand.... I guess I haven't reached to that level of spirituality to understand all this
Do meditation, and get some insights otherwise you're never going to get in which context is he talking.
He hated followers :P
He is vry popukar in india .if u r nt a spritual preson than obeviously uwnt knw anythng related to spirituality
He didn't want followers and is against spiritual leaders because he thinks spirituality comes within and religions and leaders simplify spirituality for the masses.
He is one of the most profound thinkers of the 20th century
This is exactly correct enlightenment is understanding
Understanding what
Enlightenment is becoming and being conscious of who you are in essence.
A part of all, there is, which is infinite energy.
Great stuff.
Hahah He was fantastic....! Love you J.
Everyone needs a Dose of Sri J.K. It will Enlighten one from the stupidity of the world
To simplify let’s say enlightenment is perfection in field like sports or arts and dance - you can only get better, enjoy the process and journey but you can’t claim to be perfect which is enlightenment according to him
Inspiring generation after generation 🙏🏻
Thanks for uploading
What a wise man! 🙏
enlightenment is an experience. Which you will experience after being absolutely still physically as well as mentally.. No one can explain this. Because experience is the ultimate and the only teacher.
i love this man
Its very difficulty to understan can someone please brief about your views on this
I was doing this before even hearing about krishnamurti, not because I knew what I was doing, but because I had no chance. When you realize finally that there is nothing you can do but focus on what is there, you will feel a sense of stillness. feelings are facts, thoughts are not. so focus on your feelings because they exist in reality, unlike thoughts which are an illusion.
Philosophy of highest order👌
You do not obtain or achieve enlightenment, you already have or are 'IT' within you. Your job is to connect with 'IT', the essence of all being. Most people do this via silent meditation.
Thank you for sharing ! Thank you for subtitles in romanian ! Namaste ! 🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼🌼
We can always and all experience enlightenment but to be enlightened we must all be.