What he is basically saying is that we are the product of a vicious cycle of thoughts that automatically repeat because we reinforce them over and over again instead of enquiring into them. These thoughts lead us to repeat a series of behaviors impulsively. To go beyond, we must pay attention to how they give us incorrect information, based on personal experiences and beliefs, preventing us from seeing things as they reallly are.
Questioning thought is more thought. Observing the thought and the process of thought generation with detachment and without getting involved in them is consciousness. One who practices this diligently eventually experiences fewer thoughts, can learn to simply look away from them, and can remain in the seat of self for longer periods and more often.
@veganm8918 this is exactly what I thought when I read the comment. "Questioning is a form of thought." Asking why you think something only provides answers, which are also thoughts, then you question those thoughts; still the same cycle exists... samsara to the Buddhists.
@@veganm8918 Questioning thought correctly is also a powerful technique to stop further thoughts... when mind is very turbulent and just observing seems difficult then questioning helps calm it to some extent .. it can then be followed by observation to help in dissolution of thought.
From experience comes knowledge, then memory, then thought/thinking……then action……then learning from this action. This whole cycle repeats itself. Our lives are caught in this cycle. Everyone’s personal experiences and knowledge isn’t the same. Therefore conflict with another is bound to happen. Knowledge is past. So it’s limited. Past knowledge may serve us in the technological field. But it cannot help us in the psychological field. In the psychological field we are dealing with something that’s living and changing constantly. Therefore it requires a new approach in each moment. Right action can only come about when we drop all thinking and allow action to come naturally, effortlessly, without even one’s knowing. Just let go (past)and surrender to what is (present).
All these intrusive thoughts in my head for years on end. I must have physical tracks in my brain from all these repetitive loops. Not to mention when the thoughts start fighting each other and scream at each other, which feels that it will explode my head.
U r not alone my friend. It's been the story of my life. I think he's alluding to h Thought itself being the prison it wishes to escape and hence the madness.
The point that struck me most about Krishnamurti ji was that he was always an advocate of understanding the root cause of our problems like in this video, not just trying to find quick-fixes to them. If we can apply his teachings, we will not try to cover fractures in our way of living with bandages. Another quote on the same subject by Krishnamurti ji: “To most people, thinking is but a reaction. . . Then it is no longer thinking, for then it is uncreative. Most people say that they think but are blindly following their reactions; they have certain standards, certain ideas, according to which they act."
You missed the deeper message in this video alas. He never uses the word problems. I suggest you watch it again as it is you who have applied the quick bandage here.
Nah, you may say we can very much be conditioned by memory, but it is exactly because of this that we are not memory. It is not easy to define what we are. But believe me, whatever we are, there's those who are interested to find out and there's those who don't.
@@maheshkumar374 it is yet another thought. A thought which has extracted the content from the database of memory and thinks of itself as an entity independent from the thinking process. But it is the same. The observer (a thought) is the observed (a thought as well)
In a few sentences, he summarized Shakespeare and the art of drama, conflicts arising from limited knowledge born from the temporal process of forming memory, which seems to be the brain’s interface with external reality .. “To be, or not to remember, that is the question..” Hamletv2
It's because of the way Jiddu talks about it. I think Jiddu fails to acknowledge that the realization of the movement of thought happens only through a gradual process. He talks to everyone as if it it obvious from birth. But it isn't. It makes me think that he didn't struggle coming to the realization of the movement of thought, because anyone who has or who is trying to, will acknowledged how difficult it is but it is achievable. It is so difficult, that, if i were Jiddu, i wouldn't bother talking about it, because it just creates more confusion. And in a way, because of his refusal to say directly how to achieve it because he doesn't want to create a system for others to follow, he, indirectly does what he doesn't want to do.
"K" saw beauty in it, I see a horror. Perhaps when one can observe it, it is beautiful. Before that, one sees how one is mearly riding on a passangers seat.
Yes, thought is limited, and something that is limited, by very definition, is separative, divisive, contradictive, or conflictive. Take a look at this world and its experts, leaders, and rulers to see that that thought's limitation hasn't dawned on them yet.
“To see the world with eyes untouched by the past.” - Jiddu Krishnamurti This means not to negate the past and forget it, but to see “what is” without an emotional reaction recorded in the brain. Otherwise, you will not be able to meet the present properly. This is how wild animals are. Scarface (the lion) dragged himself for 25 km when he was at death’s door to the place of his birth and died naturally where he was born at 14 years old. 14 years of heavy lifting work in nature, there are no slackers in nature, otherwise you cannot survive, and Scarface succeeding in preserving his memory for 14 years without ever getting psychologically scarred facing all sorts of violent events. He lived a very demanding, violent life and still not psychologically scarred. Only humans and animals under their domain, domestic and similar, record an emotional reaction. This is what happens when you divorce from nature. All sorts of pathologies. The truth (the natural) has not been in operation for thousands and thousands of years.
Emotions also come from memory reacting to the now. I will give a brief explanation. If you see a stranger who is of average health, looks and not being violent or crazy, one will have no or very little emotions towards them. Now if one has not seen a relative or close friend in a couple years, there will be strong emotions from the past memories upon seeing them. Our true self is not what we are aware of whether the memory, our temporary physical body, a tree, nor our thought ( when the thought stops, our awareness does not stop), nor are we the chatty egoic mind or emotions. We are the AWARENESS of all of those! Or existence and awareness. Have you ever observed something for the 1st time? So nothing to compare it to or judge it by, just pure awareness and wonder. One is picking up lot’s of new information. Now for most (not Krishnamurti) the 2nd time they see the same thing, they go into their minds and memory which if of the past and can project into the future, but limits the current seeing! The memory has its place and uses, but not here. It is for remembering your password and wisdom learned and such. Until one becomes AWARE one is doing this, they will keep repeating this. Do you know why many who practice meditation until they finally get it observe their breathing? One’s breath is in the now and exercises observation rather than memory and the chatty egoic mind. It also tend to slow one’s breath as does slow deep breathing which has an affect of calming and slowing the mind/thoughts. One’s breath is also what connects our eternal spiritual self to this temporary physical body.
Of course.Don't you know Krishnamurti? Jiddu Krishnamurti was an Indian philosopher and speaker known for his insightful and independent approach to exploring fundamental existential questions.
Mind is free no longer identifies with limited thoughts, free from fear, lives in the present with love & compassion which is your true nature birth right 💗
Make sure you're not meditating in the crowd, you are just acting ,,. You're just thinking that you are meditating and that's entirely mechanical and you are making your brain 🧠 dull,,. You could feel the same wherever you want if you simply follow Vipassana disciplines like eating twice a day n sleeping routines staying alone etc,,. If there's no observer then what's the point 😂
What he is basically saying is that we are the product of a vicious cycle of thoughts that automatically repeat because we reinforce them over and over again instead of enquiring into them. These thoughts lead us to repeat a series of behaviors impulsively. To go beyond, we must pay attention to how they give us incorrect information, based on personal experiences and beliefs, preventing us from seeing things as they reallly are.
Questioning thought is more thought. Observing the thought and the process of thought generation with detachment and without getting involved in them is consciousness. One who practices this diligently eventually experiences fewer thoughts, can learn to simply look away from them, and can remain in the seat of self for longer periods and more often.
How do you watch thoughts?can you practically eloborate@@veganm8918
@veganm8918 this is exactly what I thought when I read the comment. "Questioning is a form of thought." Asking why you think something only provides answers, which are also thoughts, then you question those thoughts; still the same cycle exists... samsara to the Buddhists.
And I would even say... It's so easy a baby could do it
@@veganm8918 Questioning thought correctly is also a powerful technique to stop further thoughts... when mind is very turbulent and just observing seems difficult then questioning helps calm it to some extent .. it can then be followed by observation to help in dissolution of thought.
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From experience comes knowledge, then memory, then thought/thinking……then action……then learning from this action. This whole cycle repeats itself. Our lives are caught in this cycle.
Everyone’s personal experiences and knowledge isn’t the same. Therefore conflict with another is bound to happen. Knowledge is past. So it’s limited. Past knowledge may serve us in the technological field. But it cannot help us in the psychological field.
In the psychological field we are dealing with something that’s living and changing constantly. Therefore it requires a new approach in each moment. Right action can only come about when we drop all thinking and allow action to come naturally, effortlessly, without even one’s knowing. Just let go (past)and surrender to what is (present).
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All these intrusive thoughts in my head for years on end. I must have physical tracks in my brain from all these repetitive loops. Not to mention when the thoughts start fighting each other and scream at each other, which feels that it will explode my head.
U r not alone my friend. It's been the story of my life.
I think he's alluding to h
Thought itself being the prison it wishes to escape and hence the madness.
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The key is to look understand the nature of thought !💗
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The point that struck me most about Krishnamurti ji was that he was always an advocate of understanding the root cause of our problems like in this video, not just trying to find quick-fixes to them. If we can apply his teachings, we will not try to cover fractures in our way of living with bandages.
Another quote on the same subject by Krishnamurti ji:
“To most people, thinking is but a reaction. . . Then it is no longer thinking, for then it is uncreative. Most people say that they think but are blindly following their reactions; they have certain standards, certain ideas, according to which they act."
You missed the deeper message in this video alas. He never uses the word problems. I suggest you watch it again as it is you who have applied the quick bandage here.
Incredible beauty in this teaching! God bless this saint who kept on teaching despite having cancer. We Are privileged in this age of enlightenment❤🎉😢
Memory is imagination. And imagination is God‘s power to create. His power to remember when.
I observed as he says to do and came to this conclusion before I saw this video. Everything he says it’s true.
This is the greatest quote ,I have ever come across ...
Childhood memories teenage memories Youth time memories Relationship memories Joy & pain memories Success & setback memories Old age memories timeless memories
I loved it! Thanks!
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Right there is truth of our cyclical “mechanical“ existence
Excellent talk
we are memory, nothing else.
No don't miss understand, we or I is different from all these
Nah, you may say we can very much be conditioned by memory, but it is exactly because of this that we are not memory. It is not easy to define what we are. But believe me, whatever we are, there's those who are interested to find out and there's those who don't.
then who is that knows the memory?😮
@@maheshkumar374 it is yet another thought. A thought which has extracted the content from the database of memory and thinks of itself as an entity independent from the thinking process. But it is the same. The observer (a thought) is the observed (a thought as well)
You might want to check out Advaita Vedanta or Dzogchen.
This video really nicely and in short explained how our thoughts work.
In a few sentences, he summarized Shakespeare and the art of drama, conflicts arising from limited knowledge born from the temporal process of forming memory, which seems to be the brain’s interface with external reality .. “To be, or not to remember, that is the question..” Hamletv2
Thank you so much for sharing... ⚓
Understand the nature of thought 🙏🙏❤️
Pourquoi cela parait simple quand j'écoute K et puis ça ce complique dans ma vie quotidienne ?
Au début c'est normal, mais il faut toujours pratiquer, vous allez réussir. Ça prends un peu de temps .( avoir de la patience.)
It's because of the way Jiddu talks about it. I think Jiddu fails to acknowledge that the realization of the movement of thought happens only through a gradual process. He talks to everyone as if it it obvious from birth. But it isn't. It makes me think that he didn't struggle coming to the realization of the movement of thought, because anyone who has or who is trying to, will acknowledged how difficult it is but it is achievable.
It is so difficult, that, if i were Jiddu, i wouldn't bother talking about it, because it just creates more confusion. And in a way, because of his refusal to say directly how to achieve it because he doesn't want to create a system for others to follow, he, indirectly does what he doesn't want to do.
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"K" saw beauty in it, I see a horror. Perhaps when one can observe it, it is beautiful. Before that, one sees how one is mearly riding on a passangers seat.
Without memory you can think, but know nothing: Chhandogya Upanishad. But J Krishnamurti said without memory one can't think.
Feeling is living.
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Yes, thought is limited, and something that is limited, by very definition, is separative, divisive, contradictive, or conflictive. Take a look at this world and its experts, leaders, and rulers to see that that thought's limitation hasn't dawned on them yet.
“To see the world with eyes untouched by the past.” - Jiddu Krishnamurti
This means not to negate the past and forget it, but to see “what is” without an emotional reaction recorded in the brain. Otherwise, you will not be able to meet the present properly.
This is how wild animals are.
Scarface (the lion) dragged himself for 25 km when he was at death’s door to the place of his birth and died naturally where he was born at 14 years old.
14 years of heavy lifting work in nature, there are no slackers in nature, otherwise you cannot survive, and Scarface succeeding in preserving his memory for 14 years without ever getting psychologically scarred facing all sorts of violent events. He lived a very demanding, violent life and still not psychologically scarred.
Only humans and animals under their domain, domestic and similar, record an emotional reaction.
This is what happens when you divorce from nature. All sorts of pathologies. The truth (the natural) has not been in operation for thousands and thousands of years.
It's so easy a baby can do it
Thought should not be given that much value, is all he is saying. It is based on your experiences and your experiences are just 1% of the universe.
Emotions also come from memory reacting to the now. I will give a brief explanation. If you see a stranger who is of average health, looks and not being violent or crazy, one will have no or very little emotions towards them. Now if one has not seen a relative or close friend in a couple years, there will be strong emotions from the past memories upon seeing them. Our true self is not what we are aware of whether the memory, our temporary physical body, a tree, nor our thought ( when the thought stops, our awareness does not stop), nor are we the chatty egoic mind or emotions. We are the AWARENESS of all of those! Or existence and awareness. Have you ever observed something for the 1st time? So nothing to compare it to or judge it by, just pure awareness and wonder. One is picking up lot’s of new information. Now for most (not Krishnamurti) the 2nd time they see the same thing, they go into their minds and memory which if of the past and can project into the future, but limits the current seeing! The memory has its place and uses, but not here. It is for remembering your password and wisdom learned and such. Until one becomes AWARE one is doing this, they will keep repeating this. Do you know why many who practice meditation until they finally get it observe their breathing? One’s breath is in the now and exercises observation rather than memory and the chatty egoic mind. It also tend to slow one’s breath as does slow deep breathing which has an affect of calming and slowing the mind/thoughts. One’s breath is also what connects our eternal spiritual self to this temporary physical body.
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Agreed...
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Did this man practice what he preached? Anybody know him well?
it wasnt about him. it is about what he tried to show you. finger pointing at the moon. 🙏
Of course.Don't you know Krishnamurti? Jiddu Krishnamurti was an Indian philosopher and speaker known for his insightful and independent approach to exploring fundamental existential questions.
So what then. Nothing happens after this is understood.
Mind is free no longer identifies with limited thoughts, free from fear, lives in the present with love & compassion which is your true nature birth right 💗
Memory not your boss
All the listeners instead of listening this try vippassna once in your life
Then what you doing here bro 🤔
Instead of? Really? Do you think that, if you do enough vipassana and only vipassana, you will become enlightened? 🙂
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@@Bisht32 he is just a paid it cell promoting their courses to earn commissions
@@nageshramteke6437 And by doing that become a fool and dull your mind forever...
His teachings has some similarities with heidegger
Vippassna will more useful than philosophy
For what?
This is not philosophy by the way
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Make sure you're not meditating in the crowd, you are just acting ,,. You're just thinking that you are meditating and that's entirely mechanical and you are making your brain 🧠 dull,,. You could feel the same wherever you want if you simply follow Vipassana disciplines like eating twice a day n sleeping routines staying alone etc,,. If there's no observer then what's the point 😂
Stop the rubbish, Kris!
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