When Jiddu Krishnamurti Shocked His Audience (The Philosophy Of Not Caring)
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- When Jiddu Krishnamurti Shocked His Audience (The Philosophy Of Not Caring)
We explore the great philosophy of Jiddu Krishnamurti in this engaging video, who shocked his audience with his provocative observations on the idea of "not caring." See the moment when Krishnamurti questions received wisdom and urges us to reconsider attachment, compassion, and emotional engagement.
Discover the transforming power of detachment in our lives and learn how his extreme points of view might free us from society's demands and expectations. By means of striking tales and persuasive arguments, Krishnamurti starts a dialogue that promotes personal freedom and self-examination.
Whether you know his ideas or not, this video should motivate and challenge you to consider what it really means to live completely free from the weight of society's expectations. Come explore with us this illuminating trip and discover the amazing concepts still relevant today. Remember to like, share, and subscribe for more perceptive materials.
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I was once in a sect. Being kicked out, I was very stressed. I never lived alone. And I had a great fear of that. There was an idea I could not do that. Then I opened a book of Krishnamurti. Not expected anything. Then I read one sentence: "Fear is something of the past, what we do is remembering it and then projecting it to the future. " It struck me like a rock. So for months I remembered this day after day. Saying it aloud to meself. And then, when a small apartment came to me, I suddenly felt NO fear. So my thankfullness to Krishnamurti is great.
Cheers 😊
"Universal Love!!" can set us all truly freeand I believe Krishnamurti once said: "if a man follows another man he can never be free!"
but we are always following others (religion/guru's/teachers/society/fashion/culture/nationality etc:) but are too scared and do not have the confidence and conviction to listen to our own conscious and love to which we are all born with.... 🙂
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My thankfulness as well. Follow yourself struck me like thunder.
I am proud to say that can live all one alone. Together with my 10 year young best friend Mister Joep van Drollsteen!
Yoga, Yantra and Mantra!
He didn't say, " he doesn't care. He said, he doesn't mind. It's different somehow.
Vastly different.
Exactly!!
STOP picking one single line or paragraph from enlightened masters and decode and make videos on it which are mis leading and fals e
You all should be re ported for spreading this
he's likely preaching imitation of atmarama person although qualities of atmarama do not arise from imitation but from jnana or astanga yoga...
the qualification to practice jnana or ashtanga yoga is sattva guna being--that is, practice of karma yoga for many, many lifetimes or thousands and thousands of years coming to birth at the brahminical platform;
if one is not in sattva guna brahmana then likely atmarama qualities will taste bitter because goal is destruction of material consciousness; no more material happiness and distress....
Don’t read too much into this AI-generated stuff, find credible sources.
Very different
I was at this last talk and it was the only time I saw him in person. He was very old and frail. His mind was clear.
Don't care - undisciplined, callousness
Don't mind - disciplined, acceptance
Better word is 'indifferent' - neither good nor bad;
Papaji said something similar, I can’t just remember but like never mind meaning don’t ever go with ‘mind’, ‘thoughts’. Mind, all thought is past, which is one of his core messages.
Without the thought, where’s the problem ~ Zen proverb
@@angelajanebowes "Without the thoughts" hmmmmm, Interesting. Can we live without any thought?
@@texastexas4541
Although each are different, Vedanta, Advaita, Buddhism, Taoism, et al are all about stopping thoughts so as to access their Source (i.e., "You").
@@Da_Xman I don't understand how if you stop thoughts, you somehow get access to the source ("I"). This "stopping all thoughts" is a thought that somehow stops other thoughts? How is that possible?
The first book on philosophy that I bought was one by Jiddu Krishnamurthy in 1993. Reading it comforted my troubled mind.😊
That’s sad. Comfort shall not set us free.
I found out though Bruce Lee about his works in 1993, so I too started studying his works and then to other Guru's. A life changer.
@@流浪漢パリyou, obviously, didn't understand what I wrote. Understanding sets you free. You seem to be a bounded woman who hasn't understood what needs to be understood.
Nice. Mine was Hegel, when I was 8 years old.
“All pain comes from attachment”.
-The Buddha
I loved Krishnamurti and his work. Attended a 4 day workshop of his in San Francisco in 1973-.
Now I know why I am 100 per cent happy.
I studied to help others, I live in a small room and share facilities with hospital workers so that I can travel a lot.
I take chances. I say what happens, just be it. It is just that my family hate me because I found my meaning in life.
I do have a few good friends.
I get diamonds, pearls and precious stones in my soul from travel. Happiness.
great i am so happy for you
Beautiful
Travelling is costly n visa rejection is high.
@@TheMarketingMan4UTraveling doesn’t need to be expensive, you just need to learn the ropes.
@@stevierayripple EU countries reject visas frequently and it wasted lots of money. It demotivated me a lot. Visa rejection is a scam and really heartbreaking.
If you want to listen to krishnamurti then listen to him. Don't listen to anyone else.
The trouble with his teaching/preaching is that he explains the simplest things so awkwardly that it becomes hard to understand.
"The sage works, but not for rewards; he competes, but not for results. When the work is done, it is forgotten, that is why it lasts forever."
-Lao Tzu, Tao Te Ching
@@Brotried97 Its yust simple truth,which is missed cas many dont go so close to it,they look it from afar cas they are scared of it.
Wow
You're lucky to see him in person❤
I am 93. I was lucky to hear him alive in Bombay in 1945. I still remember some what what he was trying to convey. At the age of 14, it was hard to comprehend, but now I can fully appreciate it.
Stop encouraging this youtub ers
STOP picking one single line or paragraph from enlightened masters and decode and make videos on it which are mis leading and fals e
You all should be re ported for spreading this
Who? The AI who wrote and spoke this clickbait?
@@Mainhoonna-ip4pz Ok ,but there is also a good side to this,its teh comment section,which is more interesting and important than the video,video is only catalist.
@@DineshPatel-g1s Sir if I may ask what was it like to be in the great one's presence? Apologies if that is a silly question
Don't mind is not the same as I don't care. It. means that he has no resistance to what happens.
He did not preach indifference. Instead, his teaching is more of a praise for how a TV works ... it can transmit an image with absolute indifference to the content. The caring .... concern, compassion, ... these are central to what he teaches. But first there must be perception.
Exactly!
STOP picking one single line or paragraph from enlightened masters and decode and make videos on it which are mis leading and fals e
You all should be re ported for spreading this
@claudelebel49 Conscious "death" and moksha cannot happen by simply saying "don't mind" or observing the thoughts or the outside world without "picturing it" because they all at best can quell “mind chatter” even though an equanimous mind is a prerequisite for moksha. In other words, it may not be practical for everyone, especially those who are leading a worldly life with so much distraction. So, merely having “thoughtless observation” for a brief period everyday is not going to help for a conscious death. It also means, attaining a calm mind 24/7 takes years of practice and is slow.
It is where “lightning fast” and specific meditation techniques are used like kriya . When subtle to gross body transmigration is consciously/voluntarily done by focus and subtle control/release of breath during the last 40 seconds of impending " death", it can lead to moksha (subtle and gross body merger with macrocosm). It is just like consciously/voluntarily going to the deep sleep state (or even beyond) from the wake state (through subtle control and release of breath) which also happens in the same conscious field. It is because breath, prana shakthi and the conscious field are connected.
One needs to accept ultimate truth that he is all,he is the mind,he is the anger,love,compassion,desire,jelousy,good and evil,it is all being created by u forthat very reason u can percive it in first place,once one comes to complete peace with that and accepts it as a truth,only then one can move on to being.
He actually said both...don't mind and don't care
This is not a secret that he revealed shortly before his death. He has talked about it for decades prior. To face the unknown and let it flower on its own.
He is the preacher of love and peace asked always to be help others to be a flower for flowers is a beauty and fragrance for all without any demands
if one studies scripture, there is no insistence upon love and peace although scripture speaks about karma yoga, jnana yoga, ashtanga yoga and bhakti yoga...
a population that practices karma yoga applies sense control and detachment and follows rules and regulations of scripture may give rise to peace in society along with practice of charity and tolerance and courtesy according to scripture which the goal is destruction of sin and increasing piety and happiness lifetime after lifetime although this is not perfect...
preaching love and peace is a modern concoction...
love and peace is karma yoga--that is, sense control, detachment and fear of sin--that is, future suffering and fear of destruction of piety--that is future happiness...
and although this is not perfect:
there was a king who performed so much charity he became a lizard in his next life! he gave uncountable beautiful brown cows to brahminical culture in charity...
Google: Nṛga vedabase
Always liked what jesus said. " Rejoice in everything do everything in prayer and give thanks for everything "
@@murrayfeist the man who was murdered and cross became the symbol of Christain. What if he was cut into five pieces! Will five dot replace Cross 🥳🥳🥳
Easy to say 😅not to do ,if you care you care, 😅life is game ,who wants to play a game you don't care about 😅😅😅😅drama is fun 😅😅😅wakey wakey 😅😅😅has
Did he say that? Did you hear it? Or are you repeating what a priest told you?
@@matthewbyronlewismusic9625 1 Thessalonians 5:16-24 New King James Version (NKJV)
Rejoice always, pray without ceasing, in everything give thanks; for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus for you. Do not quench the Spirit.
he sad that cas tha everything is u,in the end it all comes back at u,good or evil,u create all,u plant those seeds and then u harvest them and then u likethem or u dont like them,but behind all actions its always u,u always have a choice,only stopping wall in that choice is u cas u dont like the outcome or the effort needed.
This is the classic eastern injunction to live "without attachment". I wouldn't call it a secret. It's center stage.
Krishnaĵi was our flower,
sharing his beauty
with all.
Now the flower is gone,
but its fragrance remains
eternal.
vo to ḳhush-bū hai havāoñ meñ bikhar jā.egā
mas.ala phuul kā hai phuul kidhar jā.egā
PARVEEN SHAKIR
but it causes some problems for me , he said remove the identity and embrace silence this causes a problem , because we grown with identity as a i or self . eliminating self causes a problem in brain i face it lot of problems
Why do u think that? Only flattering
What did he offer that others didn't. If you're honest tell it.
@@International-indic. He showed us how to find truth. No religion, no ridiculous gurus or con men.
Happiness is a side effect of doing your duty and we each get to decide what that duty is. Remember that we are created by love and for love while always pursuing wisdom.
scripture says atma is eternal; no beginning; no middle; no end;
scripture says jiva atma manifested as a function of the Lord's bliss--that is, perfect happiness; not love;
creation manifested as a function of the jiva atma desire for independent happiness devoid of the supreme atma happiness;
yes; the jiva atma desired the supreme atma to glance at prakriti and so it begins without further intervention...
you can think of creation as indirect bliss--that is, happiness and distress;
destruction of material consciousness and merging in the Lord's mysterious inconceivable brahman, i.e., sayujya mukti is devoid of love...
the supreme atma is so courtesy and kind and considerate he does not require love for perfect happiness--that is, permanent destruction of suffering...
karma yoga equals material assets: wisdom
jnana and ashtanga yoga equals permanent destruction of suffering and material consciousness or material affection
bhakti yoga equals love with the supreme atma;
the thing about bhakti yoga is that it cultivates love and affection and dearness with the supreme atma and not with you although I may give you knowledge of bhakti yoga and this is called mercy...
@user-uj8ld4yl5l All emotional opposites are an illusion eg happy/sad, love/hate, beauty/ugly, pride/shame etc because of false identification with thoughts and body due to ahamkara (sense of I) and wrong assumption that body is the experiencer of 5 senses due to lack of knowledge and ignorance. The immortal, conscious and omnipresent self (Shiva) is the impassive experiencer but not the doer. Its intelligent energy (Shakhti or thoughts/body/world/universe) is the doer but not experience anything. To "self realize" these different attributes there are Hindu temples (vibrational centers), yoga and meditation techniques.
@@iammatternotspirit8159 "jiva atma manifested as a function of the Lord's bliss - nope.
1. "Jiva" simply means false identification with thoughts and body due to ahamkara (sense of I) and wrong assumption that body is the experiencer of 5 senses due to avidya (lack of knowledge) instead of Athma (the impassive experiencer but not the doer through its conscious field) which is beyond space and time. It also means, there is absolutely no difference between athma and paramathma or so called "supreme athma". So, all emotional opposites are an illusion eg happy/sad, love/hate, beauty/ugly, pride/shame etc
It is the reason why sri krishna says the following in Bhagavad Gita
Bhagavad Gita Chapter 2 Verse 12 (ATHMA = PARAMATHMA)
“na tv evāhaṁ jātu nāsaṁ na tvaṁ neme janādhipāḥ na caiva na bhaviṣyāmaḥ sarve vayam ataḥ param”
“Never was there a time when I did not exist, nor you, nor all these kings, and from this time forward, none of us will ever cease to be”
Here, Sri Krishna refers to the conscious, immortal, immutable, self luminous, immanent (athma), transcendent and omnipresent paramathma as 'I", ''you ``,''us ``.
2. TAT TVAM ASI (SAMA VEDA). You (athma) are already that (paramathma). Why? Without the conscious field of athma no duality cycles can happen or nothing can be perceived in its current form. eg Wake/sleep, birth/decay, young/old, wave/particle, energy/matter, manifestation/concealment of the universe (not creation or destruction), s summer/winter, freezing/melting, man/woman etc
This is why Vedas say without Paramathma there is no Shakti (Intelligent energy) and without Shakti there is no Paramathma (becomes shava or corpse). It is the reason why they always exist together (nondual) for the perpetual duality cycles of nature to happen . This is SANKHYA vedic metaphysics (combines Advaitha and Dvaitha) which can be validated by logic, double slit quantum experiment and embodied experience.
3. Now, how to confirm this profound truth through experience?
Simple. Breath, prana shakthi and conscious fields are connected. Kriya Yoga says that if we focus on our breath, release it slowly, control it (5 to 10 seconds) and repeat it, We go from the wake state to dream state and then to deep sleep voluntarily. This transformation can take place only in the conscious field of athma (aka Paramathma). Another obvious example is the young/old duality cycle of body or intelligent energy which also can be controlled voluntarily. A person who practices "pranayama" or breath control consistently for longer periods of time all their life can delay aging/death
Because of blind devotion or Bhakthi some Hindus wrongly assume that Athma and paramatma are different.So, they limit paramathma to just omnipresent, omniscient and omnipotent experience in samadhi. This is wrong understanding based on ahamkara (a subtle body which constantly provides a false sense of "I" based on identification with thoughts and body). Ahamkara creates mental/emotional dualities like small (athma) and big (paramathma) or "soul"/"god" duality
Finally, tat tvam asi means paramathma's conscious field is not only in samadhi but also in wake, dream and deep sleep states because Athma and paramathma are one.
4. Bhakti yoga (blind devotion) - The word "Bhakti" was inserted by colonialists to replace the word Shraddha (trust but verify with intense efforts to know the unknown without ahamkara). Intention of colonialists was to create difference between athma and paramathma to make Hindu tradition mimic Abrahamic religions so that people can be controlled through organized Bhakthi cults like ISKON
5. What are the different attributes of paramathma and intelligent energy?
Immortal, conscious and omnipresent athma/paramathma is the impassive experiencer but not the doer. Intelligent enregy (Shakhti) is the doer but does not experience anything. (Sri Krishna-Bhagavad Gita (Chapter 5, 13 Verses 8, 21)
This can be confirmed by transcending 5 senses and ahamkara through vibrational experience using powerful Sanskrit mantras like Mahamrityuna jaya
This is Incredable!! Just what I Needed
All the comments that are Negative only means JK is exactly on the Mark spot on CORRECT! Its called Surrender and getting ones self out of the way in life. People who are in Anguish and Torture will be healed and open doors to escape will be there. First its takes Surrender to see we truely are Free.
One can sum up this entire video in one word: "Faith". The word comes from Latin and Greek and is translated as "trust", but not trust in something, because whatever something you trust in, is what you cling to for certainty and security. Krishnamurti says this very same thing very often. And because there is no certainty, and no security, no happiness to be found somewhere out there, we find it in the present moment, which is unchanging, not becoming, but being....
I believe faith is derived from Greek pistos which means to obey or make obey; so faith may begin to mean to come under the influence of; so if I have faith in science then I will be more liable to be under it's power or influence;
there's a story about if one had faith one could order a mountain to move; plainly I do not have such inconceivable authority but it does exist in some inconceivable self-revealing person and this is faith and so wish to come under his influence or authority...
in some cultures, persons offer obeisance to another; this is desire to come under their influence...
No. Krishnamurti had no faith in anything.
🎉😊
@@architechofreality
JK didn't have a belief system, followed no fundamentalist religious system, philosophy, psychogy, etc, had no use for ideology whatsoever, yet his thoughts absolutely encapsulate and are concomitant to a plethora of ideas that can be found in a multitude of philosophical, mythological and religious contexts. The similarities are striking. Nothing can survive in a vacuum.
In order to express oneself, even JK, one must use language which is simply finite and limited, but its what we got. The faith was my implication. Faith is a misunderstood word. Again, in it's purest form it is living fully in the present moment, without clinging to a particular system of thought, but finding truth as a direct experience, within that moment, with ones direct realtionship to ones environment. We cannot have faith in anything, because that would be the very thing that, as JK would say, we would cling to for certainty, security and comfort...
@@iammatternotspirit8159
The Greek translation has multiple meanings including "trust". The Latin is Fidem or Fides, which also translates as "trust". The important point as I was relating it to JK is that one cannot have trust, faith, obeyance to any system of fundamentalist belief, ideology, or religion, because these systems are closed, finite, measurable, bounded, ridged, fixed systems, and in themselves can provide no security, certainty or comfort. Yet, in order to communicate with one another, this language, these ideas and concepts are what we got lol...
1st discovered this man over 30 years ago after reading 1 of his books, The ending of time.
Radical serenity.
He never did any work to fend for himself his entire life as everything was taken care of. He had the comfort and privilege to just "think" without worrying for the next meal...
Yes but etlist he didnt kept it forhimself,he sad all that knows to all to know aswell.
@@Last.Dark.Emperor Alas, his thoughts can be admired but can never be imbibed... they are impractical for 99% of mankind!
@@itsucks247 99% doesnt matter,it was never for all to understand,even if thers only 100 humans in entire world which can understand him,its more than inaf,yuketeshvar needed only 1/yogananda,mahavatar needed only 1/lahiri to change all.
@@Last.Dark.Emperor It seems you are the 1 tht JK needed... lolz
@@itsucks247 Tha age is gone,in this new age,everybody thinks they know everything better than gurus and those enlightened ones taht see truth as it is,its not worth to be truth seeker no more in ppls eyes,
they will treat u as a fool and outcast,no respect given,they will ask every possible question yust to prove ur wrong and they are right,
so only option is to be truth for yourself and to stop thinking u acn help or change somebody,
there is no much to do or say enywey,its all been documented here on youtube easly acesable to all,truth seekers will always find yogananda,mahavatar,krishnamurti,ma,ramana maharishi,papaji and others and they will see for themself what they bring.
Great philosopher. World teacher
Very nice video 🙏🏻 Sri Krishnamurti is great.. always direct and deep 🙏🏻
Saving energy for a cause
Genius ! ...
I had listened to JK's lectures many, many years ago but never quite connected. What made the connection was Prabhupada and his Bhagavad Gita and, more importantly, his Shrimad Bhagavatam. For me, now, no other philosophy or philosopher matters anymore.
He is documented as being aware of the circumstances of his death over a year before it happened. Just as a reference point since the opening question doesn't really describe his situation.
I’m a Christian ( 81 yrs old) and I’ve read K’s many of his many books. He’s Pelagian( a Heresy in early Christianity). You cannot ‘save’ yourself alone( by Reason etc). God/ Being itself/ the Ground of Existence is Transcendent & Immanent. Being Personal ‘God’ can be approached by prayer etc. By the way K’s personal life was not as ‘saintly’ as people think: a continuous relationship with the wife of a friend of his( without his knowledge).
Just because you believe something does not make it true.
@williamolenchenko5772 just because you believe that statement you made does not make it true either!!
@williamolenchenko5772 just because you believe your own statement does not make it true either!!
JK kept celibacy . He loved all.
@@zhizhi9138 incorrect: read about his life written by Radha Rajaqopal Sloss( daughter of his lover Rosalind Edith Rajaqopal): book title-“Lives in the Shadows with J.Krishnamurti”
Thanks For the knowledge ❤
Mind over matter, if you don’t mind, it don’t matter.
This was excellent.
That opening quote is sublime.
Easy to say you don't care if you have money when you've been looked after your whole life
not so easy when the same was at stake when he let down the entire theosophical society
FACTS! This is one of the major issues I’ve always had with Krishnamurti. No kids. No real world responsibilities. Millions of dollars. But up there talking to people with real world problems about how they don’t understand their real-world problems 🙄
@@danielkelley7548every one dealt different
You should read about his life. When he refused to be Messiah he left with no $$$$. He left theological society and “ they” took it all back.
JK devoted life to share his knowledge with humanity for $000.
@@zhizhi9138 pretty sure he had money from support outside the TS
Good video! However, one point that was missed is the freedom of action that derives from not minding.
5:37 epic tetus, truly one of the philosophers.
Wasn't his corpus of knowledge suckled by Titticus Abundanacia?
Philosophy is an ugly and misleading word,it should never be used against somebody who speaks truth.
Your act is your reward ❤ - as we're in the eternal 'Now'
He did actualy write about some of his experiences in his published Notebooks
Great video, love from Portugal!
Good for you.
I needed this . Thanks. Some really powerful lines here
👏🙏
~+~
Detachment: one of the keys to Happiness.
Enjoy the journey!
☦☮✡🕉🩷🍀🌸😇💰💸
~+~
Great. Presentation! Learn not to care! Be in the Now!! Thanks🙂🙂
Thank you for these precious words of wisdom.. Life is a transitional path.. where we only need to do good unto others and then to ourselves.. Let us shed light in this path that we share with others.. even if they do not value our presence.
we will eventually go but let us leave some green grass behind for others to tred upon.
sounds like karma kanda section of veda; charity cultivates detachment and destroys sin;
as for transitional, I believe scripture says the jiva has beginningless karma but it may have an end;
@@iammatternotspirit8159 What is karma kanda? How does karma kanda lead to detachment?
@@texastexas4541 Google: bhagavad gita vedabase
A mixture of your act (minor component) and others act (major component) is the future. You as an individual have no control over the outcome. You can only modify how you respond to the outcome only if you know who you really are; otherwise, you have no control over how you respond because your memories-thoughts-images decide it for you (in this case, you are like a mad machine that goes bonkers when things don't go your way).
This is so profound and well articulated. It’s not just about losing control and 'going bonkers' when things don’t go your way; it's also about perpetuating chaos by letting past memories, thoughts, and images to dictate your responses. With such automatic responses we never break the chain, remaining trapped in a cycle where we never discover our true selves or core identity. One therefore never experiences the power of freedom and independent thought. This absence of independent thinking and sense of freedom is the fundamental problem in all equations in society. Yet this sense of freedom is for one to claim and not for someone to give!, this lack of self awareness is a foundational problem in many individuals.
@@chitraiyengar6253 Agree. We are hostages to our own contents. The jailer is the jailed......pun intended.
@@texastexas4541 The root cause is avidya or lack of vedic metaphysics, dharma, karma, reincarnation and moksha knowledge which also have to be confirmed by embodied experience for wisdom. Until it happens, it is all one big word salad 🤣🤣🤣🤣
So, one should mimic impassive experiencer and not the doer attributes of the conscious, immortal and omnipresent self or athma for the stability and harmony of individual (mind/body), society and environment by following ethics, duty, natural law and also by not getting caught in any emotional opposites like happy/sad, pride/shame, beauty ugly etc (an illusion due to false identification with thoughts and body) to have dharmic intention or equanimous manas (not the same as mind). This is called karma yoga (despite action one does not create karma or imprints or memories or inaction in action). It also means, whatever pre-programmed karma throws at you, it has to be dealt with like a "Jadaa".
@@indianmilitary Please forgive sir, I do not follow you. According to JK, Karma yoga is action without attachment (Bhagvad Gita). Outcome does not matter to you and so you do not have misery associated with desire and disappointment. Karma is action, not memory. If you do karma yoga, there is no memory because an action is performed with pure awareness, but no thoughts involved. The reason for this is that thoughts and memories lead to desire; karma yogis do not want that. But you say something about Karma being thrown at me; I am confused. Where is this karma coming from?
very good; people are conditioned by the gunas so are driven by external influences; if one is sattvic, then the result is sattvic; if one is rajas, then the result is rajas; if one is tamasic then the result is tamasic;
one's identity is ahankara; temporary and composed of the material energy but ahankara can be trained to elevate itself through the gunas over thousands and thousands of years or many lifetimes; this is called karma kanda or karma yoga with the goal of material assets that ultimately being higher planets or svarga loka;
don't make the neighborhood better; just move out!
the guna is what you are; it's your being; not what know;
I occasionally say would you give knowledge of firearms to criminals?
this is a question of qualification or being...
if you study scriptures, you'll discover descriptions of the brahmana very dear to the Lord which give very extensive details of his being and not his knowledge;
if you offered knowledge of firearms to a brahmana, he would likely reject because of his being first; then knowledge would be second; knowledge of firearms is the avidya portion of the Lord's maya shakti...
fyi: the only way to sattva guna being is karma kanda or karma yoga as described in the vedas ...
another important point: what Krishna says in gita about practice of karma yoga with mood of surrender to the Lord or mood of detachment generally applies to the vidya portion of the Lords maya shakti; it does not apply to avidya portion...
The unenlightened mind is condemned to see enlightenment in an unenlightened way. Egos guesses about egolessness is still ego only. We must experience enlightenment to understand it for it is beyond mere words!
"experience enlightenment" Both knowledge and experience are important. They compliment each other. Yes, knowledge without experience is like a barren land but experience without knowledge is like a blind man. eg wrong conclusion by Buddhists despite giving importance to experience.
the qualified candidate for jnana or ashtanga yoga must have sattva guna ahankara; sattva guna ahankara destroys the material consciousness--that is, itself through the process of jnana or astanga yoga;
as far as knowledge of the mysterious inconceivable non-dual non-variegated impersonal form of the lord brahman, one must refer to the upanishad section of veda and brahma sutra, too;
there can be no interpretation or application of logic in jnana...
descriptions outside of scripture are exactly what you believe: speculation...
fyi: an atmarama does not teach jnana, too because jnana is destroyed at liberation...
fyi: before veda was scribed onto palm leaf, one would have to take shelter of person who had upanishad memorized; he would repeat scripture untainted by his being...
jnana is really the art of individual contemplation of scripture; not speculation and sharing and talking and philosophizing...
jnana section of the vedas is not philosophy but absolute knowledge of the mysterious non-variegated inconceivable non-dual impersonal form of the Lord designated the brahman...
also liberation is destruction of material consciousness--that is, material identity, material experience and material knowledge although scripture says the atma has eternal indestructible atma identity, atma experience and atma knowledge; it's just covered over by beginningless ignorance--that is, vidya and avidya--the Lord's maya shakti...
Ucannot experience it,it is u,u cannot experience yourself,every experience is not u.
Ah. wow! Not what JK said, but, how you you interpreted and presented this wonderful video.
Actually alot in this video is misleading and not worth taking it as truth,u will find more in comment section then in this video.
Not caring means a mental decision has been made, (often a defensive one. Similar to saying "I don't have time for that @#$%"...which is not true. We have time, and we have choice. Not MINDING...means a thought which has never occurred to you, never enters your mind. "I don't care about what other people think of me" vs "Its not that I don't care, it is that it never enters my mind".
What an insight. ! Very true and inspiring
The One Thing about Death is Everyone Gets a Turn.
There is no birth or death for the immortal, immutable, self luminous, impassive, conscious and omnipresent experiencer (not the doer) or the self (aka Athma). So called 'aging'/'death" (aka change of form or duality cycles) is only for its intelligent energy (body/world/universe). Since no death for thoughts/memories as well, they transmigrate to another gross body called reincarnation. Stillness or focus on breath control during the last 40 seconds of subtle/gross body duality cycle or so called conscious death can lead to moksha (merger of subtle and gross body to macrocosm)
Every birthday is a celebration of getting 1 year closer to death.
@@vikas74-09 There is no birth or death for the immortal, omnipresent and impassive experiencer/not the doer. Birth/Death duality cycle happens in the conscious field. Only the doer (not experience anything) has birth and decay/aging (so called death) duality cycle. Once the subtle body realizes that athma is not the doer and work towards going beyond wake/dream and deep sleep state then it puts an end to reincarnation (subtle to gross body transmigration) and get moksha (subtle and gross body merger with macrocosm)
Death is new set of cloth u ge to try out after some time of wearing tha one set.
Thank you for this well-done video -- comes at a good time for me. One suggestion: when describing Krishnamurti's or other's ideas/beliefs, use direct quotations from them. It enhances the authority and authenticity of your video.
Thats so me.
It's the best approach. Not to care.
I don't think he did not care, but was willing to accept the outcome no matter what it was.
@@young1939 Fine, personally, I used to be a person who cared excessively. As a consequence I am all smashed up. Gradually I have been changing so that I could care less about anything.
Thanks for this enlightening talk. 😊❤
Thank you!!❤🙏🏻
Without food, without a place to live, without hope. How not mind??
He did not sad,sit and dont move,dont eat,dont drink and dont take care of yourself.
In Bhagbat Gita , lord Krishna doesn't tell to abundane your
" karma " . You have to work to fulfill your necessities but do that without any attachment.
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Nice advice
The great way is not difficult for those who have no preferences... However it is not always so easy to live with no preferences... 😂
I used to feel so free, when I read his books... Im always attacked by religious people from Christianity. Brought fears to my mind. I stopped reading... and started feeling as my shield was gone. I became confused and scared again. I couldn't listen to myself, and became a follower. I lost my wife, my home and my career job. I listened to fools, and became one. Now, I'm homeless, with depression and Anxiety. My health is very bad,. And my life means nothing to me anymore..... I wish I continued reading the teachings,.... I wouldn't be destroyed as I am now....
Please stop living in the past. Learn to forget and forgive. Try to forget yourself (i.e. constantly thinking of your self created identity). Present is all that matters. Stop Thinking. Have faith in the creator. Live life as it comes. Read Bhagavad Gita by Annie Besant. All will be ok.❤Have Faith.
@SHIVA-qq1vd Thank you... !! I needed to hear this, the way you said it. T.Y. for caring 👍🫶
The voice reading this sounds remarkably like Alan Watts😉
He was torn apart when his brother died… We all buy it with our mind. But when sht hits, we see our own self deception. We are human, and not human. The illusion is strong. No amount of lectures or concepts can save us from it. Even Jesus suffered
Yes it is normal,but its all passing by,if u acn understand that.
Its not about the observing of your thoughts as a reflection of what you have of the outher world , its about you looking outwards to the world. In understanding this you dont make a picture of this, you just look from yourself to the outside instead of looking inside and being thought all the time what people dont realise.
nope. Conscious "death" and moksha cannot happen by simply saying "don't mind" or observing the thoughts or the outside world without "picturing it" because they all at best can quell “mind chatter” even though an equanimous mind is a prerequisite for moksha. In other words, it may not be practical for everyone, especially those who are leading a worldly life with so much distraction. So, merely having “thoughtless observation” for a brief period everyday is not going to help for a conscious death. It also means, attaining a calm mind 24/7 takes years of practice and is slow.
It is where “lightning fast” and specific meditation techniques are used like kriya . When subtle to gross body transmigration is consciously/voluntarily done by focus and subtle control/release of breath during the last 40 seconds of impending " death", it can lead to moksha (subtle and gross body merger with macrocosm). It is just like consciously/voluntarily going to the deep sleep state (or even beyond) from the wake state (through subtle control and release of breath) which also happens in the same conscious field. It is because breath, prana shakthi and the conscious field are connected.
Excellent.
The trouble with his teaching/preaching is that he explains the simplest things so awkwardly that it becomes hard to understand. For instance; “the observer is the observed .”
I am not quite sure what does that mean but surly there is easier way to express the same sentiment.
At 90, that attitude comes easier as you have already lived a full life, the same would not apply to someone much younger who has not full-field their goals and ambitions yet. Context is important here.
It's mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter.
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His presence was electric. But no one attained the inner state he had.
I dont think K fully realised that in 50 years of giving talks.
there always is somebody who does understand him,but u will not know for that one,cas that one has no need to be known.
Why did you have to mention fake Sadguru in this audio! Krishnamurti stands alone.
He needs no one’s approval
A guru without disciples
Great video ❤
AI doesn't exits, he did not say that, more play on words....
"Do not seek for things to happen as you wish them, but rather wish what happens be as it is, and you will be okay." (Epictetus)
So, when it is about to rain Atomic Bombs, we shall stay calm and happy in the knowledge that it was divine Providence that planned it and wanted it?
If our ancestors had been that passive, civilisation would not exist. But, we stole the fire from the gods! We are rebels, not pets swallowing gratefully whatever Master throws at them...
I believe it is a philosophical statement; not theoretical in the sense of day to day management of a kingdom;
if your wife does little disturbing things then this statement may be practically applied but what is the goal of such a practice?
@@iammatternotspirit8159 There is no goal.
@@architechofreality when I chastise children occasionally one will pipe up, "you're chastising us for no reason." I say, "for no reason is the best reason."
@@iammatternotspirit8159 Violation of dharma can be the only reason for inaction in action or dharmic action. There are 4 methods one can choose from depending on the context - (sam, dhan, bhed and dand or (persuade, purchase, divide and create or exploit weakness and punish)
Whether you resist or not, what is set in motion by your previous actions and others cannot be stopped and that is future. You have two choices: 1) fight, cry and eventually accept it and 2) accept it instantly and move on. If you are a true follower of JK, you will pick 2.
Both acceptance and rejection are emotional opposites based on ahamkara (sense of I) which falsely identifies with thoughts and body. So, whatever pre-programmed karma throws at you should be handled with an equanimous manas (not the same as mind) without getting caught in any emotional opposites. This is karma yoga (despite action no imprint or memories or karma created due to non attachment to emotional opposites)
@@indianmilitary This is an interesting view............so if both acceptance or rejection is based on ahamkara, what is the alternate and what is equanimous manas means (not sure I understand this whether generally or in this context. On your next comment I agree with you, the concept of karma of action without memories need not lean on any religion for propagation. Spirituality / self awareness or actualization and religion are two different domains. Albiet as you say, religious fascist forces leverage bhakti over shraddha to have blind following which instill fear of action and outcomes or fear of implications of not fitting in, fear of unknown etc. etc. rather than freeing the individual core.
@@indianmilitary "Preprogrammed karma and equanimous manas' I am completely confused. Can you expand on this? Thanks!
JK is a light in darkness
What? It took him 90 years to figure this out " do what you love, love what you do, and expect nothing. This is not a great revelation.
He was not as smart & clever as you are.
He did not take 90 years. He had been telling this more than 65 years during life time. In fact in different words also. One can see this if one go through some of his books/ Audio/video which were published .
From JK teachings. Karma Yoga: Action without attachment. These people experience joy (sensation or pure awareness) while they perform karma yoga but they have no attachment to what they do. For them, if it gives negative result, it is fine. If it gives positive result, it is fine. We have no control over the outcome because it is not just your action at play but many others. Karma yogis do not allow thoughts to emerge and create memory while they perform karma because it will lead to a chain of events like storage of memory-thoughts and image of pleasure (desire) associated with karma. Is it easy to do it? For some it is. To make it easy for others, religious people offer the following. Bhakti yogis perform karma (action of any kind in life and they think all of that action is the worship of God. Since it is God involved here, they do not expect anything in return. So, all of their actions become actions without attachment. For example, a soldier in the battle thinks his killing of the enemy is worshipping of his God or janitor cleaning toilet thinks he is worshipping God while he is removing rotten feces from the septic tank. These people are never stressed. Of course, a thief or a fake guru cannot think like that and get away with it.
"worshiping god" There is no concept of god or heaven or hell in Hindu/Buddhist/Jain and Sikh dharmic traditions. It also means, non translatable sanskrit words like athma, brahman, shiva are not the same as "god". The word Bhakti (blind devotion) was used by colonialists to replace the word Shraddha (trust but verify with intense efforts to know the unknown without ahamkara). It was done for creating non existent difference between athma and paramathma so that Hindu tradition mimics blind faith Abrahamic religions. It also means, Hindus can be controlled by organized Bhakti movements like ISKON.
@@indianmilitary Are you saying Lord Vishnu, Ganesha, Krishna, Narayana, Lakshmi, Saraswati etc are not in the current Hindu religion? I saw so many temples for these Gods and Goddesses when I was in India. People throw flowers, milk, honey and milk on these idols and pray for employment, pregnancy, cure for illness, a bride for their favorite son etc.
The word Buddhi (not Shradda) is repeated many times in the Gita. Recently, Srila Prabhupada (not the colonialists) of the ISKCON hijacked it to mean Bhakthi. The original Bhakthi movement started in 300 CE and ended in 900 CE (that is when the Puranas were written), much before the arrival of Islam or the goras. You seem to have some terrible grudge against the goras 😍(I agree they were pretty bad in other areas). Vedanta and Upanishads reject the creator or any Gods (for example Nasadiya Sukta in the Rig Veda itself).
There is a real Chanel from him, please, don't mix yours though and missing the authentic speech of Jiddu K.
Tanks
2:38 he did not have a bank account and his only possessions were his watch and clothes.
🇨🇦 He had so many people looking after him, and taking care of his J K Foundation, why would he need a bank account? 🙏❤🌷🎉💐
atmarama has destroyed material consciousness so may walk around naked...
atmarama also has destroyed material knowledge, too; in other words, jnana itself is destroyed because the goal has been achieved so does not preach jnana...
JK and Kapil Gupta are top dogs to me. Kapil spoke about him and said his only problem was wanting his audience to understand him which in truth no one understands these guys
There are enlightened sages, and there are mere unbelieving philosophers. This dude was the latter. Contrast Gandhi 😊.
The room didn’t fall silent it was outside at Ojai
I strongly belive philosophy of kafka
And that's true
If u think and analyse
Just what makes different of ur cat and you if ur paren giving value
U are providing that why if u dont u gona burden and u not gona treated as normal as uswal
And u have to accept even i also make this and its 100 justitable
Ahh man im really gona mad everything i think but that truth and im mad now😅
What he is saying is detachment.
Right - doesn't detachment serve men? Think about it - it does
@@Merriwether-w8k for the benefit of all sentient beings.
@@Merriwether-w8ksense control and detachment arise in the proper practice of karma yoga; an atmarama or liberated person in general is devoid of material compassion because material conscious has been destroyed; the goal is sayujya mukti--that is, merging the atma into the mysterious inconceivable impersonal form of the Lord called the brahman...
atmaramas do not help people in the material sky although there are designated liberated sages born of brahma who provide technical support to maintain the creation...
@@Merriwether-w8k Detachment does not mean escapism. If you are a mute spectator of any crime, then you not only violate manmade laws but also natural law or dharma which can create cause and effect or karma . It was the reason why krishna punished "Bhishma" for being a mute spectator when a lady was molested in front of him.
Not caring is a function of the ego, the engine of duality. When identified with spirit, one accepts the processes of the mind and the body without concern, knowing the karma of bodily life. Much confusion results from filtering spiritual truth through the ego’s machinations.
"one accepts progression of mind and body without concern". mmm only emotional opposites are an illusion eg pride/shame, beauty/ugly, love/hate, happy/sad, caring/not caring etc due to false identification with thoughts and body.
But natural opposites or duality cycles like wake/sleep, birth/decay, young/old man/woman etc of microcosm and summer/winter, manifestation/concealment of the universe etc of macrocosm which happen in the same conscious field have to be sustained by balance of opposites or dharma. Point is both material and transcendental realms are important.
So, one should mimic impassive experiencer and not the doer attributes of the conscious, immortal and omnipresent self or athma for the stability and harmony of individual (mind/body), society and environment by following ethics, duty, natural law and also by not getting caught in any emotional opposites mentioned above to have correct dharmic intention. This is called karma yoga (despite action one does not create karma or inaction in action).
In terms of vedic metaphysics, Advaitha (conscious shiva) is INCOMPLETE without Dvaitha (duality capable Shatkhi) and vice versa. So, husband and wife always exist together (nondual) for the perpetual duality cycles of nature (sustained by shakhti) to happen in the conscious field. eg summer/winter duality cycle (in the conscious field) sustained by spring/fall
@@indianmilitary could you possibly say that directly, dropping the adjective laden padding?
The JKM is my Master
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One of just ordinary people.
Try not minding that you are in pure agony every day.
Why are you making an assumption that at 90, someone would be bothered about death? Why? You’ve already lived a full life. You’re know you’re going to die one way or the other. There’s nothing to be concerned about.
As for his “secret,” it’s the most known principle of The Gita. There are too many variables for you to be able to engineer your ideal result 100% of the time. Do your best and leave the results to God. So your job is to do your best. Period. Your job is not to get an outcome. The outcome will happen.
"leave the results to god" There is no concept of god or heaven or hell in Hindu tradition. Non translatable sanskrit words like Athma, shiva, Brahman are not the same as "god". So, we should instead say "leave the results to the pre-programmed prarabtha karma - a law of nature"
the vedas speak on three topics; knowledge, process and goal; the goal is happiness as a function of qualification of being of the person; the first goal is material asset happiness in relation to the body; the second goal is the destruction of material consciousness in relation to the soul--that is, soul happiness devoid of suffering without spiritual body or relationship with the supreme atma; the third goal is established of soul happiness imbued with a spiritual body in a relationship of affection and pastime with the supreme atma;
in other words, philosophy or sambandha jnana is the supreme atma exist, I exist as atma and a relationship exist between atma myself and supreme atma;
I may cultivate material asset relationship with karma yoga;
I may cultivate relationship of soul happiness devoid of material consciousness and destruction of suffering without relationship with supreme atma or spiritual form with jnana or astanga yoga
I may cultivate soul happiness of affection and spiritual body and pastime with bhakti yoga;
one may cultivate a relationship in ignorance; in other words, one does not know what one is doing and what the results will be...
Do we need you to explain to us what someone else said? Just tell us where you found this information. We don't need a commentary by some unknown person... With that said may God bless you.
Amor Fati
Theres a flaw in it. If you do not care, you will eventually fail in life. Can someone explain this to me?
jnana and ashtanga yoga are the rejection of material objects and the destruction of material consciousness so is axiomatic in that it is the intentional failure in respect to material assets...
Even Roman philosophers said Okay?
Listening to AI... nevertheless a good video
Very very good, except for the 1 tiny part about tinfoil hat AI takeover nonsense
conclusion: live like animals, without conscience, dreams, hopes. or don't live at all!
Are you any less animal now? See around find it by yourself
@@ceatlove yes I am, you like it or not.
On the contrary....be full of conscience of the ''now''.
he's preaching the qualities of atmarama to unqualified people...
No, this video is not really representative of Krishnamurti’s energy. This videographer gets things wrong and leaves out significant details. do not give up any of these things. You’re just not attached to them to the point where it causes, chaos and conflict internally and externally that’s the point of it. You’re in the world and you participate in the world but you’re not really of it. You slow with that rather than be entangled buy it and if you do get in tangled, buy it just stop and observe what’s happening and then the action will present itself without twisting yourself into a pretzel trying to figure out what to do that’s the point of it.