What most people dont realize is when you're starting a Project like this,, you end up being your own mechanic,, and thats where you really start saving money,,,
I have some questions new to bikes and EV’s, on an E-Bike like this what kind of work would you need to do other than maintenance such as keeping up with the chain and brakes?
I just wanted to tell you how much I find your videos useful and informative for people interested in Surron bikes. You answer a lot questions that people probably have, and you clearly explain the process you go through. If I end up getting a Surron (I probably will), it'll be in great part thanks to the information you provided and that contributed to reassure me. Thanks for the great content!
Hey I’m glad I could help. I was in your shoes wondering if they were worth it not too long ago so I’m just trying to put out all the information I can
Use to do Motocross when I was a Kid back in the 80"s ! Now I'm in my 50's and can honestly say that 6 years of Amateur Dirt Bike riding ruined my body !! It has to be one of the most strenuous sports in the world and nobody even thinks about it !
Surron needs to sell a stripped version. What isn’t upgraded? Frame, seat and motor? Suspension, battery, controller, brakes, wheels, tires, foot pegs, handlebars are all big upgrades.
Now if I only had a Segway bike and a few thousand dollars sitting around, I too could have a bike like this...... Edit: The link in the description says it's $3000 but they are actually $3500...Thats like $600 from a Sur Ron, but you still can get this bike then you can do the BAC 4000 or 8000 and it would be cheaper, that might make it be a beast.
Bro, can you please do a video on performance with the x160 battery and the surron x controller for those curious how just a controller swap would hang? Speed, range etc. just subbed, fucking glad I found your channel!
It definitely looks to be a quickest bike I would replace the front forks with Fox 40s and the rear shock with the Fox DHX they work nicely on my downhill bike so they should be perfect for the Surron X cheers cool video
I am really looking forward to more of this series. Awesome project and thank you, Edwin, for stepping to the plate to help us all discover what is what between these two bikes. For science!
The real point though is with a 3k Segway, a what 2K 72 V battery, a new controller, wheels, tires, forks, this thing will be north of 8K just in parts. It has mountain bike brakes but weighs over 100 lbs, can hit speeds way over what those brakes can sustain, that's another upgrade.....That is hard to justify.
This channel really beats the brakes off of cars and cameras and I’d rather be welding. I love all the projects and contraptions all the channels make, but you guys actually ride them! Love to see athletes and experienced riders come up with new toys and really get on them, the other channels ought to just send you their projects to rip around on because watching them gingerly drive them in an open field is frustrating
For the sur ron x 160, you can use the 60v battery without changing your current standard controller. You really didn't need to change your controller...👍👍 Great job dope vid
How is this cheaper the x160 is 3500 and the battery alone sells for around 1100 on ebay that’s 4600 not including the controller forks or wheels Am I missing something?
Very nice! I did the same thing with my original sur ron (bought it right before the x controller became available a few years back) , had a helluva time with the bolts, they were overtorqued like crazy!!! Super sick single track you guys have out there, reminds me of home in southern Oregon.
OS motors are coming out with a clone Sur Ron motor and controller combo but in the 8kW nominal power range. So with a 60v battery, it will have close to the performance of running a 72v battery but you will of course suffer range unless you add a piggyback battery for that extra bit of range. You should check out the Drill one E-bike, the thing is a beast. Nice riding, Edwin, so jealous of your trails, lol.
Would love to see you get a Trampa 100/250A motor controller and testing out the self balancing wheelie mode feature on a bike like this. All you need is another lever on the handlebars to hook up for activating it.
@@EdwinOlding Yep I would say go with the 75V 300A but I think it still does not have a gyro IMU, hit up Trampa and they might want to work out some kind of deal for promotion! The exact feature I talked about still needs to be added but there is nothing stopping it. This is the developer working on the wheelie mode for the VESC project: ruclips.net/video/6pIQrDrMwQY/видео.html
@@pocho3881 it isn’t if you already have the parts. x160 is like 3k. By the time you get all the parts to covert it to an x version… (and do all the work). You could just buy a surron and probably save a few bucks. X260 is $4500-5000. X160 like 3k-$3500. Surron $4100.
you should upgrade the motor to a X motor because the motor on the x160 has a smaller stator and the magnets are a lot smaller than the X motor it might burn your motor
I guess the “pitfall” is, that people also upgrade all those surron X parts for a reason 😂 so, yeah, you get a cheaper X, but you’ll still need all the same fork, sprocket, wheel, battery and controller upgrades, this time with parts that everyone wants to buy…
This is what I was thinking, if you're spending less then upgrading up to surron parts then the surron upgrades surely will also fit? Seems as though if you're gonna get the segway anyway, it might make more sense to save for longer and get the upgraded parts right off the bat, the biggest chunk of cash will always be the bike itself
the x160 is actually not the same frame. if you put bigger forks like that's on the sur ron x your ganna have to cut a piece off at the head tube to make it fit. also ebmx figured out that it isn't the same motor either
But Segway is a part of sur-ron. Same company makes both electric dirt bikes. The Segway is just a smaller more affordable one. The Segway one has features that the sur-ron doesn't offer. The bigger Segway to the 160x is the 260x. Same exact products just different ways to access the features.
I know this from having guys tell me that the motor on the 160 is different. I thought it was the same but some guys will swear up and down that the motors are less powerful on the 160. What do you think or know on this subject? Also you can buy the sur ron motor at Luna Cycles for around $650
Awesome build idea. As an aside, is the X160 the same as the Sur Ron Light Bee S that's listed on their website? The Segways don't seem to be available to purchase in Canada. The SurRon S is out of stock, but at least it appears on the website... =/
Does the Eco/Sport switch still work when upgrading to the Sur Ron X stock controller? Very informative and fun video to watch! Can’t wait for the next on the series as I’m looking to upgrade my x160 just like this. Cheers!
interesting... i was thinking of getting the surron x and upgrading, but if the segway is essentially the same & im upgrading the parts.. why not save a few quid. great video with technical information & tips.
Hey Edwin... I just realized that I cut the green wire with the black stripe between the controller and the plastic harness. Unfortunately, this made the top speed even slower (only 21 mph). But after reviewing this video again, I think that you cut the same color wire after the plastic harness, which leads to the battery. I reconnected my mistake but I am afraid to cut the wire again before confirming with you. Could you clarify where to cut the green wire with black stripe? I would greatly appreciate it! I subscribed and click the like button
I like where your head's at but I don't understand who would be in the used market for the lowest tier battery/controller combo for this bike? It wouldn't be a step up for any Segway/Sur Ron owner. Or do you see non-Segway DIY builders buying this?
You bring up a good point. It's mostly going to be DIYers and people trying to replace their broken stock parts who are going to buy the stock contoller and battery.
If you are just looking for stock Surron power this should be the cheapest way to get it. Even cheaper if you are looking to upgrade past stock anyways
the expression Time is money must factor in. also with ever part comes some sort of risk on condition. in my view unless its half the cost i dont think its worth the potential anxiety
Edwin, I caught the X controller swap in the video but did I miss the part where you swapped the stock x160 battery for a higher output one? Or did this test take place using the x160 battery?
@@EdwinOlding I had the feeling it was a 60v. All good. Just want to make sure those out there that are looking to upgrade understand that simply swapping the controller will not do it, you also need to upgrade the batt. Keep up the good vids!
So if everyone upgrades their surron, could you not upgrade the Segway the same way the Surron is upgraded? Rather than buying slightly used parts, buy the Segway and purchase whatever replaceable parts everyone is putting on the surron?
Curious about the motor video. Id love a blue sur ron but obviously Luna doesn’t order them anymore. So I figured upgrading a Segway with better forks battery, controller, ext. would be my best option for getting blue. But I don’t wanna spend all that money if the motor isn’t the same.
I’ve done a little research and it looks like the motor is different but not necessarily better or worse I do a whole video on it in the future once I figure out what’s going on
Segway site says X160 is 3w and X260 is 5w, so there's a difference here, or is it not? I am very interested in doing what you do... get x160 and upgrade but my problem is... is the motor exactly the same?
its kinda sad bcs they increased the price of the segway x160, same cost as a surron now pretty much, maybe like 1k less, checked at a local shop though, wayyy cheaper
Too bad they figured out that the X160 motor is NOT the same as X260. You would need to upgrade the internals also for it to be identical to the X260 motor. You seemed to get decent performance in spite of this, but how is your motor holding up? Teardown and explanation here: ruclips.net/video/RvQbojpPSlc/видео.html
what's max speed before/after cutting the green wire? you need motor upgrade to harness the gains...the sur ron x motor is stronger than the 160 motor. controller is not the motor.
so, I am a little confuse. This is supposed to save money but when I look at the parts list the BAC8000 kit and the range extender total over $1800 that does not even count the battery replacement. I love the built but calling this a budget build does not seem to be accurate.
Hi Edwin listen thanks a lot for getting back with me on the question that I had earlier I've got another question on that stock x160 harness coming out of the neck going into the new controller you had mentioned that you cut the green wire with the black stripe is that correct just wanted to make sure before I start doing any cutting thanks so much for your time
What most people dont realize is when you're starting a Project like this,, you end up being your own mechanic,, and thats where you really start saving money,,,
Very true
I have some questions new to bikes and EV’s, on an E-Bike like this what kind of work would you need to do other than maintenance such as keeping up with the chain and brakes?
@@JS-qi1ou and change tires i think nothing else
@@Endorzan that’s pretty nice, how long does the battery hold up with heavy use? Running the battery down 3 or 4 times a week?
@@JS-qi1ou around 3-4 years if you do 4 a week. Depends on how hard you are with the battery.
I’m from Australia & have been desperately waiting for someone to attempt this & document it. Please keep us updated with each step!
I just wanted to tell you how much I find your videos useful and informative for people interested in Surron bikes. You answer a lot questions that people probably have, and you clearly explain the process you go through. If I end up getting a Surron (I probably will), it'll be in great part thanks to the information you provided and that contributed to reassure me. Thanks for the great content!
Hey I’m glad I could help. I was in your shoes wondering if they were worth it not too long ago so I’m just trying to put out all the information I can
Agree 100%!
Thank You Bro! 👊
yewww
Is Scottie Wallace here?
2 years old but still gold!
I was thinking the whole time that the frame was smaller on the X160.. Interesting. I own an X260 and love it so much
I was literally having this idea in my heading looking through the bikes and prices and I stumbled upon this video, love it brother🤙🤙🤙
Use to do Motocross when I was a Kid back in the 80"s ! Now I'm in my 50's and can honestly say that 6 years of Amateur Dirt Bike riding ruined my body !! It has to be one of the most strenuous sports in the world and nobody even thinks about it !
That bike looks like a blast 👍
Nice riding too!
Surron needs to sell a stripped version. What isn’t upgraded? Frame, seat and motor? Suspension, battery, controller, brakes, wheels, tires, foot pegs, handlebars are all big upgrades.
Or buy a second hand one and sell the parts you don't want.
THANKS for the test ride!
Anytime that was a blast!
Now if I only had a Segway bike and a few thousand dollars sitting around, I too could have a bike like this......
Edit: The link in the description says it's $3000 but they are actually $3500...Thats like $600 from a Sur Ron, but you still can get this bike then you can do the BAC 4000 or 8000 and it would be cheaper, that might make it be a beast.
Hope this project works 🤞🤞🤞
Where did you order the black fox 40s
Bro, can you please do a video on performance with the x160 battery and the surron x controller for those curious how just a controller swap would hang? Speed, range etc.
just subbed, fucking glad I found your channel!
Do you think you could rig it so it charges at an EV charge station using the universal port that most automotive manufacturer's use?
@@ImAlive11550 😂😂😂😂😂
I wish I knew this before I ordered my x260 from China (still waiting). How exciting man, I'm glad it worked out.
@Haady Khan Alibaba. Link doesn't exist anymore
Best of Luck for ur Bike hope it comes soon!
@Haady Khan $4k
@@kyleray4952 4K for a Segway that’s expensive that yeno I paid 3.8K for my surron 2021 second hand with 50 miles
@Haady Khan buy a proper surron mate don’t be touching the Segway bikes
It definitely looks to be a quickest bike I would replace the front forks with Fox 40s and the rear shock with the Fox DHX they work nicely on my downhill bike so they should be perfect for the Surron X cheers cool video
I am really looking forward to more of this series. Awesome project and thank you, Edwin, for stepping to the plate to help us all discover what is what between these two bikes. For science!
For science! I am happy to do it!
I built a diy mid-drive with NuVinci internally geared rear hub and it's crazy! These are so much fun!
That sounds super sick!
Thing is sickk!! Love your content as well, keep up the good work. You and ethan have amused me for multiple hours.
Thanks!
Brother got a x160 and now has 19in wheels, dnms, bac 8000, 72v battery, and loads more. And it’s silver
What's the top speed?
@@chrisMc1972 about 60. He has a 58t. I have a 48t sprocket
Something I might have to do. Will be keeping up with the build.
I’ll do a full video at the end if it worked or not
The real point though is with a 3k Segway, a what 2K 72 V battery, a new controller, wheels, tires, forks, this thing will be north of 8K just in parts. It has mountain bike brakes but weighs over 100 lbs, can hit speeds way over what those brakes can sustain, that's another upgrade.....That is hard to justify.
This channel really beats the brakes off of cars and cameras and I’d rather be welding. I love all the projects and contraptions all the channels make, but you guys actually ride them! Love to see athletes and experienced riders come up with new toys and really get on them, the other channels ought to just send you their projects to rip around on because watching them gingerly drive them in an open field is frustrating
This isn’t the grind hard plumbing channel. This is just one of the guys from there
For the sur ron x 160, you can use the 60v battery without changing your current standard controller. You really didn't need to change your controller...👍👍 Great job dope vid
Love to see someone in the trails with it thing rips 🔥
How is this cheaper the x160 is 3500 and the battery alone sells for around 1100 on ebay that’s 4600 not including the controller forks or wheels Am I missing something?
buy a sur ron
Awesome video, love the parts list!
Can't wait for the results!! 🙌
Great video and subject Edwin, thank you!
Very nice! I did the same thing with my original sur ron (bought it right before the x controller became available a few years back) , had a helluva time with the bolts, they were overtorqued like crazy!!! Super sick single track you guys have out there, reminds me of home in southern Oregon.
man i'm so happy with my surron, like you say something about this Emoto Bikes puts a smile on my face like nothing else :D
OS motors are coming out with a clone Sur Ron motor and controller combo but in the 8kW nominal power range. So with a 60v battery, it will have close to the performance of running a 72v battery but you will of course suffer range unless you add a piggyback battery for that extra bit of range. You should check out the Drill one E-bike, the thing is a beast. Nice riding, Edwin, so jealous of your trails, lol.
Cant wait to see if this works long term
I am super curious about the longevity too
that footage of you on the trails has made me want to sell my norco sight e bike and get a surron.
Would love to see you get a Trampa 100/250A motor controller and testing out the self balancing wheelie mode feature on a bike like this. All you need is another lever on the handlebars to hook up for activating it.
That would be super cool I am going to look into this!
@@EdwinOlding Yep I would say go with the 75V 300A but I think it still does not have a gyro IMU, hit up Trampa and they might want to work out some kind of deal for promotion!
The exact feature I talked about still needs to be added but there is nothing stopping it.
This is the developer working on the wheelie mode for the VESC project:
ruclips.net/video/6pIQrDrMwQY/видео.html
Great video, keep them coming!
I did this project myself but better off buying a surron
Why's that? Too much work?
@@pocho3881 it isn’t if you already have the parts. x160 is like 3k. By the time you get all the parts to covert it to an x version… (and do all the work). You could just buy a surron and probably save a few bucks. X260 is $4500-5000. X160 like 3k-$3500. Surron $4100.
you should upgrade the motor to a X motor because the motor on the x160 has a smaller stator and the magnets are a lot smaller than the X motor it might burn your motor
That's dope I love when people find hacks like this
It is the best!
i think u didnt have to cut that wire because u can unlock the full speed in the app too
I guess the “pitfall” is, that people also upgrade all those surron X parts for a reason 😂 so, yeah, you get a cheaper X, but you’ll still need all the same fork, sprocket, wheel, battery and controller upgrades, this time with parts that everyone wants to buy…
True, if you plan on upgrading anything anyway than this is a super cheap place to start!
This is what I was thinking, if you're spending less then upgrading up to surron parts then the surron upgrades surely will also fit? Seems as though if you're gonna get the segway anyway, it might make more sense to save for longer and get the upgraded parts right off the bat, the biggest chunk of cash will always be the bike itself
Would be interesting to keep the 17 on the back and put the 19 on the front only
I was thinking the same thing but I can’t find any good off road tires for it
@@EdwinOlding you may need to use an 85 class mx front tire.
An x160 motor is much smaller than a Surron X or x260 motor. There are other videos on RUclips about this.
This is dope. I am totally considering using my spare parts to convert an x160 instead of just selling them on CL now!
howd that go
now the real question is the 72v in the light bee s
the x160 is actually not the same frame. if you put bigger forks like that's on the sur ron x your ganna have to cut a piece off at the head tube to make it fit. also ebmx figured out that it isn't the same motor either
Yes I’ll have to cut that piece or sand it down. Did they do a video on the motor?
You're really going for it man well done!
But Segway is a part of sur-ron. Same company makes both electric dirt bikes. The Segway is just a smaller more affordable one. The Segway one has features that the sur-ron doesn't offer. The bigger Segway to the 160x is the 260x. Same exact products just different ways to access the features.
You've got the gears in my head turning man but I gotta know, what is the top speed of your Sur Ron with the 72V modifications you made?
Yeah i wanna know that too and the estimate range
@@nazaine1764 same
I know this from having guys tell me that the motor on the 160 is different. I thought it was the same but some guys will swear up and down that the motors are less powerful on the 160. What do you think or know on this subject? Also you can buy the sur ron motor at Luna Cycles for around $650
Awesome build idea. As an aside, is the X160 the same as the Sur Ron Light Bee S that's listed on their website? The Segways don't seem to be available to purchase in Canada. The SurRon S is out of stock, but at least it appears on the website... =/
Does the Eco/Sport switch still work when upgrading to the Sur Ron X stock controller? Very informative and fun video to watch! Can’t wait for the next on the series as I’m looking to upgrade my x160 just like this. Cheers!
i have the same question!!!
it does still work I just swapped/upgraded my x160 with the controller x and a 60v battery
So segways seems like the surrons poor cousin .but not anymore Really great. Fit the fox's 21 front 19 rear reverse mullet style 😎
The mullet name from mountain biking is large front wheel, small rear. Business up front, party in the rear.
Great idea, awesome watch! Subscribed!
Awesome thanks!
interesting... i was thinking of getting the surron x and upgrading, but if the segway is essentially the same & im upgrading the parts.. why not save a few quid. great video with technical information & tips.
On the Segway website and even the emoto bros acknowledge that the x160 is a smaller less powerful motor. I think it’s a 3000 vs 5000 difference.
Wow! I thought that I recognized your voice!!
Inspiring to think that can be done.
Selling my crf250l and coping one doing the suron upgrades
Great video Edwin
It sounds like a whistling cartoon-like character, but works 👍.
So crunchy! 10:19
Is the motor actually the same? All the specs online suggest that Max Motor Power is 3KW, 5KW, and 6KW for the X160, X260, and Sur Ron X respectively
Can you do a step by step guide on installing the new controller and how to properly put the battery in?
I could do a video on that next time I do it
@@EdwinOlding please do that!!!! I am pickup up a stock X controller and battery in a few days.
Really interested to see it’ll work out cheaper with all the upgrades and stock parts sold , how much is the battery and controller upgrade ?
Hey Edwin... I just realized that I cut the green wire with the black stripe between the controller and the plastic harness. Unfortunately, this made the top speed even slower (only 21 mph). But after reviewing this video again, I think that you cut the same color wire after the plastic harness, which leads to the battery. I reconnected my mistake but I am afraid to cut the wire again before confirming with you. Could you clarify where to cut the green wire with black stripe? I would greatly appreciate it! I subscribed and click the like button
I would have hit at least 5 trees in the 75Ft
I like where your head's at but I don't understand who would be in the used market for the lowest tier battery/controller combo for this bike? It wouldn't be a step up for any Segway/Sur Ron owner. Or do you see non-Segway DIY builders buying this?
You bring up a good point. It's mostly going to be DIYers and people trying to replace their broken stock parts who are going to buy the stock contoller and battery.
If you are just looking for stock Surron power this should be the cheapest way to get it. Even cheaper if you are looking to upgrade past stock anyways
First up, on the chop block, new whip, no drop top
Dirt bike fuhh cop cop, it go zip zip no brawwpp brawwpp
Definitely watching this one
Cr 500 Honda is the only thing I can ride on the trails .
the expression Time is money must factor in. also with ever part comes some sort of risk on condition. in my view unless its half the cost i dont think its worth the potential anxiety
Edwin, I caught the X controller swap in the video but did I miss the part where you swapped the stock x160 battery for a higher output one? Or did this test take place using the x160 battery?
I did put in the 60v Surron battery in this video
Should have made that more clear
@@EdwinOlding I had the feeling it was a 60v. All good. Just want to make sure those out there that are looking to upgrade understand that simply swapping the controller will not do it, you also need to upgrade the batt. Keep up the good vids!
would you still get surron range if you put a surron battery in the x160 or do you have to have the surron controller in the bike aswell?
That's wild!!
Great for a younger or smaller rider . Is it practical to carry a spare battery in some type of padded pack ? Just a thought. Great show .
I use to carry a second battery in a backpack. Wasn't horrible.
.................converted Honda CT90................ With trials tires.. 😁
Damn the Segway 160 is 4,500 now
Do u think this build would be good for a 220 lb rider for commuting ?
Depends on the length of the commute
So if everyone upgrades their surron, could you not upgrade the Segway the same way the Surron is upgraded? Rather than buying slightly used parts, buy the Segway and purchase whatever replaceable parts everyone is putting on the surron?
I don't see why not. I defiantly would not buy a used battery as I don't know what abuse it has ben thrue.
Curious about the motor video. Id love a blue sur ron but obviously Luna doesn’t order them anymore. So I figured upgrading a Segway with better forks battery, controller, ext. would be my best option for getting blue. But I don’t wanna spend all that money if the motor isn’t the same.
I’ve done a little research and it looks like the motor is different but not necessarily better or worse I do a whole video on it in the future once I figure out what’s going on
Well a year later and you can’t find a Segway under 6k and the surron is $4400.
the x260 (although oos) is the same as the Sur Ron
True.
I spent 42 on my x160
depends if you can find the frame. im still looking for the frame to buy.
Segway site says X160 is 3w and X260 is 5w, so there's a difference here, or is it not? I am very interested in doing what you do... get x160 and upgrade but my problem is... is the motor exactly the same?
its kinda sad bcs they increased the price of the segway x160, same cost as a surron now pretty much, maybe like 1k less, checked at a local shop though, wayyy cheaper
Now they're about the same price
I also ride 103 ci Harley Davidson`s .
Big up coming from Barbados i want one boss
I love this bike bro
R u the dude from that channel with the barbie jeep
correction the x160 is never in stock
Too bad they figured out that the X160 motor is NOT the same as X260. You would need to upgrade the internals also for it to be identical to the X260 motor. You seemed to get decent performance in spite of this, but how is your motor holding up?
Teardown and explanation here: ruclips.net/video/RvQbojpPSlc/видео.html
Holding up just fine! About to bypass the battery and give it more juice
what's max speed before/after cutting the green wire? you need motor upgrade to harness the gains...the sur ron x motor is stronger than the 160 motor. controller is not the motor.
Just looked online and the Segway is going for more than the Sutton💀
Hello, I'd like to know the diference of the segway 160 and sur ron motor?
What's happening? Can we get an update on how your x160 doing? Also, would the motor handle the 72v or bac4000?
yes it's the same as sur ron motor
The motors are not the same. Light bee X has an 8k motor 160 has a 5k motor most likely overheat and shut off
Your link to Amazon shows the Segway X160 as unavailable (to Australian buyers anyway) and only a 240w motor-surely the Sur Ron motor is 6000w???
so, I am a little confuse. This is supposed to save money but when I look at the parts list the BAC8000 kit and the range extender total over $1800 that does not even count the battery replacement. I love the built but calling this a budget build does not seem to be accurate.
Starting with an x160 for a build opposed to the x260 saves about 1000 out of the gate
Hi Edwin listen thanks a lot for getting back with me on the question that I had earlier I've got another question on that stock x160 harness coming out of the neck going into the new controller you had mentioned that you cut the green wire with the black stripe is that correct just wanted to make sure before I start doing any cutting thanks so much for your time