20,000 watt Amp Banned from Competitions? 2000 Harrison Labs Drag Queen [4K]
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Harrison Labs has been around since 1979 and even touts creating the first automotive power amplifier back in 1974 under their previous name Audiokintecs Corp. Who knew they made an amplifier rated to deliver 20,000 watts back in 2000? I had never heard of this unicorn amp, but my friend Jason had one to show off during my recent visit to Texas. I posted a photo on Instagram and Facebook and got a ton of feedback from my audience saying they wanted to see more. Well, check out this amazingly rare, one of 5 amplifier, in this video. Can't wait until you see what's inside...
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To clarify some stuff very late in the game...
The amp was banned because it is not a conventional amplifier. It is a "digital" waveform. Basically, it applies the battery bank directly to the speakers, chopped by the hertz rate. So you get an EXTREMELY square, clipped waveform.
Normal amps use filtering and inductors. They try to create a perfect copy of the input signal, which is a sine wave. Imagine a smooth wiggle. This amp produces a square wave, the output is full bank voltage or off, nothing in between. Imagine violently banging back and forth at the same frequency as hard and violently as possible. Like a switch vs a dimmer. It works as a very crude, constant amplitude PWM output amp. Tons of distortion, super high efficiency.
Hook a 75 volt battery bank to a switch, wire it to your subs and blink it on and off at 35hz. That would be what this amp does.
Thanks for the explanation 👌
Thank you for the explanation
Can u play music on it though? Can you control the volume at all?
@@dropzonemedia7811 Ofc you can do but it has distortion which was said in the comment
Makes sense. Thanks.
So for the people that don’t understand what it is this is it in simplified.. it’s a giant push/pull mosfet switch, not an amp. It puts out more or less a square wave based on an input signal, and the mosfets directly dump current from the battery bank to the subwoofers. And with that, 99% of what makes an amp an amp isn’t needed here, just a shit ton of mosfets in parallel in a push/pull configuration. Yes it will for sure do 20KW at a low enough impedance (that’s a LOTTTT of mosfets), and the efficiency is practically 100%. If someone built this with that number of TO-220 pack mosfets from today, they could probably make it do 50kw+. It’s just a switch. It’s easy to build something this powerful that functions this way
Thanks for the details
Yeah based on the output voltage, its not like most half bridges you see.... there is voltage potential on each output or else you have to divide the output by two when taking 72v squared... in the manual here it says voltage squared divided by impedance.... not voltage squared divided by two and then divided by impedance (like half bridge amps where negative is ground). So its like a full bridge amp.. but a very weird one.
That’s not an amp that’s a whole ass generator
Could someone loan nuclear power plant and use the power plant power to amplify loudest subwoofer car setup ever?
@@wekkimeif7720 yes
I can absolutely believe UPS lost the batteries. I think they make more money auctioning off “unclaimed” packages than they do on delivering them. Your batteries will turn up on eBay soon.
UPS Suck big time, I've lost so much money due to parcels apparently "lost in transit" .
Lol
Lol I was gonna say your probably right but the sad reality is that in all sense and circumstance your definitely right
then loose them again when its time to ship em.
I have a Harrison Labs Audio Engine 1600 I said I would ship to you for testing. You just say when Derick
I’m amazed he doesn’t want it
Can i have it? Lol if only
You'd probably have to email him
Ah go take it
He doesn't read any comments.
Wouldn’t it just be easier to run house electrical wiring to all your subwoofers and then plug it into 120 V outlet
DO NOT Google "Drag Queen". I cannot unsee this! You have been warned. LOL!
😜👍
This amp could be revived with modern day electronics, super capacitors and lipo's - who knows, could prove to be an SPL monster.
Apparently, the amp was designed to produce momentary burp tones for SPL competitions - cool as heck and a genius design
I had several of his small 150w and each hit harder than a ZR-1000 bridged.
That's my husband's amp he sold on Ebay years ago. It was a beast. I posted a picture of it on your Facebook page where you shared it.
I’ll check it out thanks
Have any videos of the amp in action?
It is nearly a crime to not get this functional and on the amp dyno! This thing is a very unique classic. I remember hearing about these and seeing photos, but would love to see one in operation / dyno tested, bet only a handful of people have ever seen one of these in action.
Since the power it creates is clipped, I'm not certain even with fresh batteries and in working condition the Dyno could test it.
@@wal Doesn't the Dyno have a setting where it can read power with clipping / distortion and not shut off? Would be cool to see the power it was putting out even with clipping; yeah it may be clipped power, but still power, even if not at rated impedance's. I mean this amp was banned from competition, and I'd guess hardly anyone has actually seen one of these running since they are pretty rare, so to get to see it actually function / power some subs would be a rare occurrence, even if power measurements are not exactly spot on, just cool to see all around.
thats right.... I only ever heard of it myself here in Hawaii and thats because I was in Vegas for CES..... People talked....
Glad to hear these guys survived the ups and downs of the last 40 plus years of car audio, I ordered some power and line filters from them many many years ago. They build a lot of really specific car audio things (FMODS) no one else seems to.
This is my favorite find ever. 30 years and never seen this.
Drag queen means something a lil different now..I mean it did then but 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️🤣🤣
Yeah I learned, gotta be careful with the hash tags 🤦♂️
@@wal Lmmfao!!! No doubt about it!!!
I completely understand. But I'm still a little disappointed you didn't at least turn the amp on.
He couldnt. He was missing the other 4 batteries which were used to power it for a mere 30 second!
It won't turn on, that dawg has a 72 volt input 😄
We can try next October when I'm back in TX for the 2020 Old School Stereo meet
@@wal well it's October 2020 is there a chance to see this happen?
@@GolIden lol. U was waiting on that
Nice! I remember reading/hearing about these way back when. Very cool to see one still in existence to some extent. Thanks!
It got banned because it is NOT an amplifier but a switch that makes square wave signal directly from the battery power... In short is is a brute force primitive signal generator that can only make square wave signal.
That’s all I wanted to know.
frequencies go in, frequencies come out louder. that’s an amplifier. it’s a weird amp, but it is an amp.
but there are NO components that can handle 1000 amps (or even 100A) which is what you need to get 10KW from 12V so its pure BS
@@harlanfalejczyk2478 not an amplifier, Its an oscillator
With a transistor opened all the way up it will dissipate little power, like people are saying switching mode, all the signs are there. High efficiency, no heat sinks, power on tap. Shit, I give this dude credit, he put out some redank shit and people forked out. Look at those custom boards tho, no mpja or Amazon back in those days 🎉 better charge every penny when only ~20 were made.
Actually there are similar working amps in production: Taramps, Stetsom and other brazilian brands produce High Voltage amplifiers, we are about to make the first HV system in México with a Taramps HV 160k and 24 12v batteries in series to get 300 volts DC in the voltage rails. This amp uses welding machine transistors to cope with the power handling, not too much audio quality but they work to make crazy systems like the "carreta treme treme" and other brazilian monsters without spending thousands in heavy gauge wiring and high output alternators, just buying multiple cheap flooded or sealed batteries and 4 awg wire (higher voltage equals less current to make the same power, so you dont need big wires to connect the amplifier).
Real old school. I always wanted to see the internal of those amps because I never thought that could be real. Thanks for the opportunity with this video.thanks man.
Big D Williston - this is one of your greatest history lessons...EVER! Thank you!
"Yo man looks like you have a dead body weight in the trunk? "
Don't worry it's just my car amp😂
Definitely an audiophile amp. Such precision, high tolerances and attention to detail.
Can you imagine! 20,000 watts of square wave out of your tweeters? PERFECTION!
@@dslynx All the nuances of sand blasting a ping pong ball!
This thing just puts out a square wave, at best, a modified sine, similar to a cheap power inverter, though I doubt it even does that. This is just a switch box, banned from sanctioned contests, because it doesn't meet the description of an "amplifier".
🤣🤣🤣
Would love a video of all the banned amps and why they were banned
Sounds interesting 🧐
MMATS had a "1 watt" amp that was banned due to misleading power output, or at least that's the way I remember it going down. It was something ridiculous. We used them in one competition and caught all sorts of grief over them.
thank you for putting this on your channel I have herd of this but never seen one , I have been in the audio repair world from 1983 to present time and that is the first one I have ever seen .thank you again.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
If it got banned , it's legit!! Thanks for the old school content! 🤙🤙
Those car audio magazines brings back memories
love the old stuff. i still run profile amps in my truck along with a cerwin vega 15" sub. i started out with all the stuff you test.
i remember the db drag days...started with 2 orion 2NT 15s in a pre fab box and an orion beast amp, then moved on to 2 mmats pro audio 15s in a custom slot vented box with a mmats d200 on each. surprised my windows never broke, you could see the front windshield pushing against the sealant and trim lol...those were the days.
Lol, its a signal generator!
How many watts do you want?
Harrison Labs: Yes!!!
Banned for being so monstrous. I guess, they just can't handle the Power of truth. hehehe
Ugh
Schmeg amps
If you are reading this before you look at the video...skip to 4:14
al alex D2 thank u
Very strange and interesting design. Looks a lot like something from the military. Lol I guess the design worked for what it was intended. Definitely not made for actually listening to music. That's one cool piece of car audio history. Great video BigD!! 👌
Harrison Labs makes Military Grade amps for Destroyers etc.... Good Observation there...
Mikitary indeed. Definitely reminds me of when you open the bottom of a humvee seat.
I saw one a long time ago I can’t believe u found one would love to see it work thank u for sharing this with us
Simular design to the tar amps high voltage, it’s full bridge configuration, so 72 volts * .707 is rms AC voltage , power ~ 51*51 Divided by the impedance = about 10,000 watts rms at 0.25 ohms
That is amazing to see weird tech and how some companies did it. I 100% understand not wanting to power this thing up or push it's limits. No need to ruin something so rare, but damn that isn't is nuts! An amp with a battery bank built in!
So dope that you bring stuff like this to look at brother tgank u
I'ld imagine that amp never amplified music. It may make a good welder, electrocution device or voice coil melter.
My face before opening the amp 😃 my face after opening the amp 😧
for their time these things were beasts loved them just always had issues with the finals..
You know it's crazy serious when it needs a Cold War sub bass control knob for control! 😂😂😂😂
Harrison builds Military Grade amplifiers for Destroyers and such.... LOL.... INDUSTRIAL... yep
Don't bother testing it. It merely puts out a square wave at the fundamental frequency of the bass. It merely uses a comparator, which switches the polarity of the battery pack to the speaker at the zero crossing of the audio signal, hence, no input level control. It was banned, because it isn't even an amplifier per se. It is just a high power switch box, thus, the sanctioning bodies don't consider this to be an "amplifier".
I wasn’t gonna 😝
It's an amplifier.. it just has the worst ever bandwidth and harmonic distortion.
The one time I can say I was there and saw it in person! Lol
I love at the 8:40 mark, shot from above, showing just how much stuff you were getting packed in the big empty box for your $3,000 outlay 😆😆
Very cool blast from the past. Thanks for the share.
Cool product but I think most people would stop short of calling it a car audio amplifier. It is an amplifier yes, but amplifiers are used in alot of products in some form wether we realize it or not. This unholy beast would be cool for a demo vehicle or something like that but it doesn't belong anywhere near a legit car audio system, competition or not. They were right to outlaw it. Everyone is asking for a dyno test but I think the overview you provided here is great and is plenty of info for us. Thanks big D and thanks to the fella who let you film it :)
The amperage is also in conjunction with 72 volts not 12 not 14 .2 but 72 volts. That is 28,800 Watts. (Not sure his machine can even test 72 volts) but yeah this baby probably does pumped out some power. The internals can be smaller because it's not having to transform the power. Imagine what it could have done with much larger capacitors though. Perhaps some extremely large external farad's.
Now to use it power your speaker Bank on your side dump pickup bed with camper shell opening clam shell style. Such as was in the day of the slammed mini truck.
It's like Harmony audio most never heard of Harmony but they do make excellent sound equipment they are the leading manufacturer of music instruments going back decades. And their amps consistently exceed the rated power output.
with deep cycle cells in the amp, you dont need huge caps, the battery bank is a giant cap, no dc-dc converter needed
72(12 x 6)v@4ohm = 18a = 1296w to each speaker (need to take out about 15-25% for transistor efficiency)
says 1/4 ohm stable = 16x 4ohm speaker in parallel max = 20736w
This isn't an amplifier, Sir. It's a sine wave to square wave converter.
I have never heard of harrison amplifier before I think the wattage is up to 20k that is crazy it is good to learn something new
It was a crazy design
This would be cool to hide some newer huge amps inside to keep people wondering!
Thanks for sharing dark it's always cool to see those obscure amps that you always kind of wondered about but you never seen her much of😁👍
I honestly always wondered why there aren't more high voltage amps just for db drags, run them straight off batteries wired in series, there are already chargers out there that will charge 24v, 36v, 48v, etc off of a 12v system, they are made for lowriders to keep the batteries charged up fresh
Super cool to see something so rare! Thanks Big D!
9:13 da lean on da table
😂 😂 😂
Different level stuff
Makes me miss ,
vector research from the 70's
Happy Thanksgiving 2019
This is by far your most interesting find yet Big D! This was an obvious assault on db competitions since it is useless for music. I can see Harrison’s argument if non drivable or unregistered vehicles are used in competition. I wonder what the regular audio amplifiers were like and if these competition amps helped sell any of them.
That thing is crazy, Big D! Never even heard of those amps. Looks like It just took all the battery power and sent it straight to the speakers. I guess that's one way to do it. No wonder it was banned so fast lol.
Banned like 2 Live Crew 👈😬
That's not even an amplifier it's a welding machine
I had DQ² for a short time, problem was it arrived with an issue in one channel and I couldn't use it with my impedance. But I did win in my class with a borrowed *Fosgate 500.2 amp
*Thanks Big Jim
Yep, ol' Big Jim P. from Vacaville with his black T-bird. I wonder what he's up to these days.
why outlaw or classify illegal. If it exists and can be purchased it should be allowed, heck even if you build it yourself let a class for them be created. isn't it SPL not SPL Capped? id love to own one for sure, wish you did dyno on that air conditioner lmfao. if you build it they will come!!!!!!!
Because being designed for CAR audio sound competitions they were very specific about the power supplies and had to be powered only from the vehicles charging circuit.Any other power supplies or being disconnected from the car's alternator by hidden relays or circuit breakers were deemed illegal by the sanctioning bodies.This was in the early days of IASCA sound offs though and has probably changed by now as SPL was just a novelty back then.
It's not a musical amplifier, it's a square wave generator. In addition to being illegal by virtue of its internal batteries, amplifiers for SPL competitions have to be able to play music, not just square waves. If square waves and high voltage batteries were allowed any old bloke could hook up a few IRFB4110 FETS, a gate driver, and a 555 timer and have a really really loud system. Trouble is, it could never play any sort of music, just a really loud buzz.
@@thorlancaster5641 I had several HL amps and they sounded fine. Played music as well as Burping.
30 second audio Burst✌️ 🤯. Respect to Sam Harrison for being a Bass Pioneer.
Boom shocka locka
I had a $7,000 Sony/Rockford Fosgate custom installed system in a $900 1969 VW Bug in the late 1980's-early 1990's. By todays standards it would be considered low power. The 2 12" & 2 15" subs had Power 300 on them. The 2 8" mid bass & 2 satellites had a Punch150. 2 way active crossover was set a 70hz. It was one of the top 2 or 3 systems in Ardmore, OK. The JBL system in my Prius sounds awesome today & I have all my seats. My old VW had no back seat. The 15" subs fired into the back of the front seats. Had big sealed box up to the side windows. The 12" were put in first in a sealed box in the cubby space below the rear window. It wasn't long until I had the 15" subs put in.
who would guess huh..... The AUDIOMOBILE 1kVW.... that comes to mind here.... LEGENDARY..... Heres yp the OLD GUYS here..... who remember a time.... nice ..... Did your head unit move every time ya turned on the windshield wipers...LOL....... Some head units back then were FAT or had a HUMP on top...... VW bug..... I worked on a LOT of them..... Thanks for the memories... Mr Brown...
@@bigdogbrodavepresents6178 No. The installer noodled the "dash" between the glove box & steering wheel. My head unit was a detachable face Sony that controller a 10 disc changer that was under the front hood. Under that was a matching Sony slide out deck cassette player. Under that was the RF preamp/EQ. All mounted tight & solid. As I said, it was all custom install. Likely more than half of the expense was the labor in constructing the boxes for the subs, flush mounting all of the amps & Xo, cutting the dash, laying out all the wire & cables, & making it all look like it came that way from factory. The car itself was a resto mod before the audio system was installed. My uncle & my dad restored it & customized It for my older cousin's first car, but my dad had a old 914 he traded for It to be my first car. It was a beautiful bug. Had extra wide fiberglass fenders that looked factory. Had wide front & rear wheels & tires. Had old Ford teardrop tail lights. Had 356 head lamps. All of the interior & exterior was done. My dad died before getting a chance to fix up the engine with after market heads, cam, carbs, & a 12V conversion & before the audio system was installed. Thats how I had the money to pay for the audio system. It really needed a 12V conversion, but I was just a dumb kid. I thought the lights dimming to the beat as I cruised the drag was kinda cool but if I was going 70 or 80 mph down the road it wasn't really noticeable. I had 2 deep cycle marine batteries that powered the electronics, but the stock 6V generator would fall behind on a daily basis as I was always jamming at concert level draining more power than it could keep up with. The subwoofer amp would shut off after a few hours. Then I would have to make a recharge drive.
@@adambrown8867 I wish all the viewers here get to read your reply..... Now THATS OLD SCHOOL FOLKS,,,,,,, a 6 volt CHARGING CIRCUIT to power a 2 12 volt BATTERY system..... UDAMAN...... CLASSIC..... and it would drain to like 8 volts then kinda stay there...LOL.... had to RECHARGE at the TESLA port...LOL..... Thats so cool dude...... so REAL....... I can see you pulling into my shop..... Dude thats a 6 VOLT alternator.... UPDATE that bugger HERE........ I was the DUAL ALTERNATOR GUY wayyyy back when. I tried my best to sell certain customers the FOUNDATION.... a strong independent 12 volt system that wont cause yer cars battery any distress whatsoever.... Car Stereo dies at the BEACH?..... no biggie..... just START the car and... back to playing.... I actually FLEW a BUG once in Jesup Georgia..... LOL.... Ya wanna FLY a CAR.... it should be a BUG... indestructible... I remember them cool ass FLARED Fiberglass VW fenders..... Nice.... I sold my Barracuda and bought a 64 bug..... later in the Navy I bought that FLYING 65....LOL..... memories.... Hey I LIVED....LOL.... Baby MILLERS.....
@@bigdogbrodavepresents6178 I was a pissed off 14-15 year old kid with a mom that worked nights at a factory. Like i said, a dumb kid with money burning a hole in my pocket. I'm sure I was told about how a 6V generator wasn't sufficient but it worked well at the time. I recall looking at a big Wrangler 12V alternator that had huge amperage, but by then I couldn't afford it. I'd blown every penny my dad left me by the time I was 16 or 17. Say no to drugs.
@@adambrown8867 quite the life experience... Death... I was a crazy teenager too.... Hey... we LIVED huh?.... Yours is a story I heard before... My FIRST INSTALL was in a 1954 GMC TRUCK... It was POSITIVE GROUND too...LOL.... Them days....... Needed a VOLTAGE CONVERTER BOX to bump it up to 12 volts for the radio my dad had. Mounted it to WOOD so it would not touch GROUND.... LOL.... RADIO SHACK voltage converter.... I was 14?..... LOL.... My dad was a car guy back then... He liked his stereos...
I remember the controversy about these amps. There were other people experimenting with using batteries as the amps power. I believe even linear power made some of these, but they weren’t on the market for sale. These amps were actually dangerous if you didn’t understand how they worked LoL
If I’m not mistaken, I think the batteries were linked up to make 48 volts DC then that was converted to AC volts. These amps were not meant to be played for music. I think they only play about 3 to 4 frequencies so you had to build a box that would be tuned to what the amp could produce. Very efficient and powerful.
that HUGE POWER SWITCH was to turn it OFF.....LOL.... yep.... LIGHTNING in a BOX....
Keep it up. Someone should do a re make . The boards should be cheap to have made now .
24 batteries..... ok
I have a buddy who has one in Fairbanks Alaska who had 16 15s in a 4dr dually. That amp is baddass!!!
Jason Sherrer I’ve seen it around
@@isaacblackburn6745 who has it now by chance, does Dave still or did he sell it ? Its been awhile...
60A fuse and 200A max seems okay to me. Fuse math is a bit different than regular math.
Because it is higher voltage
Looks like the 4 x 60A fuses are connected in parallel. Therefore they could cope with 240A total on the incoming cable. This would be what the 200A max refers to. Total of 200A being drawn spread evenly across the 4 fuses.
@@juliancox4178 The catch is that no four fuses are ever perfectly identical in resistance and few fuse blocks are absolutely identical in resistance to all fuse positions, so you never really share those loads equally among all four fuses. Eventually the weaker of the four fuses blows first and the rest of the fuses then follow very soon thereafter (especially if the fuses are already running fairly hot). So, in multi-ganged fuses one does typically aim for a total rating a bit above the target limit if one wishes to ensure that the full target current limit is always available reliably and that only faults actually blow the fuses as every fuse failure is going to set you back 4 fuses (in this instance) since all will fail very quickly in domino fashion.
Another Amazing Video like only Big D can do. Thank you again for your videos.
Thanks brother!
I think my neighbor must have an amp like this, but with only 2 settings: full-blast and off.
CoolDudeClem or just how we listen to it haha I turn mine all the way up asoon as I start and warm the car up
Love the videos. Can't wait to see your visit to Kicker👍
How bout putting together a video featuring banned amps?
It’s about time for a car audio museum
When amplifiers start looking like something mounted to the side of a space station you know sh** is about to come unglued!!! WOW that's a MOWNSTA
😂👍
Ferris Bueller: "Having a system in your ride is so choice."
Do not use lithium batteries on a lead acid battery charging circuit
You don't want to use Lithium Ion, but, Lithium Iron Phosphate (LiFePO4) are a direct replacement for lead acid. You use exactly 2 lithium Iron phosphate cells, in place of each 3 lead acid cells. The charge finishing voltage is exactly identical to lead acid. A 12 volt lithium battery (4 cells) charges to full capacity at 13.6 volts, and is safe up to 14.6 volts. Right in the range of absorbed glass mat (AGM) lead acid batteries, which this amplifier came equipped with.
20,000 watts can make my entire neighbour's house shake
Let's try the entire neighborhood
I need one of those clarion 32's for a home theater setup
Get it up and running dude I want to hear it. Thanks for all your hard work from the UK
The Heather Swanson of car audio.
Hello i am catching up on our evolution in car stereo amps throgh you . The genious in putting the SMD "DYNO" to practicsl usr for those uf us who understand our history wirh car audio. You will always have a channel for us type of guys who were there from the beginning. Thanks for the work you put into this . For all of us.
This looks like some s**t I put together in my garage. My friends looking like is this safe bro..... Probably lol
Exactly!
I remember them , I tried to order 2 of them until I heard they were banned , then withdrew my request for purchase 😄👍🏻
This needs to be revisited ASAP!!!!!!! What the hell is this amp????
Crazy burp machine
@@wal ever see footage of this thing in action?
@@joesshows6793 my curiosity has been peaked... Would love to even see old footage of it & a 'Drag King' in action.
To think a couple decades later & we have guys running full bridge Brazilian 20k rms amps that are a fraction of the size (probably like 1/10) compared to the HL Drag Queen. Nice to see improvement in the industry. Just hoping the economy gets straightened out soon because car audio prices are really beginning to take a serious hit!! 😥😔 Tariffs, container fees, etc 😤
@9:05 so many good memories of those dual shaft kenwood HUs....nostalgia trip
Sounds like a Chinese amp these days. 1,000,000w at 4ohms with a 0.25A fuse. Of course also running into a speaker with sensitivity of 3db 1w/1m and a response of 40-20k @ +/- 130db.
Lol, that sounds horrible.
Wait…so you’re telling me that the $30 amp that i purchased at the flea market with those exact specs is not legit?!
Or…are you just jealous that my system is going to absolutely dominate the competition!
Actually, it's the opposite of that. They are saying 200amp max with 240 amps worth of fuses on each side. So, it would take more than 240amps for the fuses to blow in one bank (480 amps total).
Nothing better than vacuum tubes amplifiers ! 😉👌🏻
those are not tubes, they are mosfets and caps, on every bolt down the middle bar is a mosfet and cap
I know but the sound of tubes is unbeatable 😉 better quality...warmer than mosfets...
Stan was way ahead of the game, producing basically "digital" amps back in 2000.
I used 4 of his "150w rated" and *almost exited my L7 cones from their baskets* before the amps blew from over-current draw due to limited battery and no over-current/low voltage draw protect circuit in the amps.
They hit like 1000w+ each, and had a real strong "Hard" hit to them.
A little while after that I ran a pair of Zapco 9.0s in their "4K" and it wasn't any stronger than Stan Harrison's four 150w amps that were each the size of a Soundstream Class A 50.
That "Drag Queen" appears to be the same one Stan sent me to test in 2001 when I competed in Highlands, CA. Unfortunately one half was already blown when I tested it in competition, but it still hit a 148.5 with only 1/2 of it running at 4ohms on two D4 L7 12".
It didnt wanna give lol!😎
150db was a BIG NUMBER then... record might have been a bit higher in 2000 BUT.... only half an amp...LOL.... THAT THING SHOULD BE BROUGHT BACK TO LIFE........... its ALIVE...... ALIVE!!!!!!!..... 335,000 views demand it .... hey BIG D WiZ..... This guy... Mr Q.... cool... I remember that thing.... CONTROVERSIAL.... so it got the boot.... BDBD/2021
@@GahhDamnAlex hey another SILVA..... Howzit from HAWAII!!!!
had some fun with a dude , he bragged he hitted 120 Db with his sub,, i called my mate and asked if i could borrow his PRX set next week , he agreed once told..
banged around 133 Db on music power only ! , never saw someone leave so quick .. he never knew
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I believe that would be 60 amp slow blow with a maximum of 200 amps each. So, if you exceed 60 amps for a certain amount of time (depending on what you buy) it would not blow right away. But regardless of what you buy, it should blow immediately at 200 amps. Thus, if you draw 150 amps for 300 milliseconds, the fuse (again, depending on what fuse you buy) should not blow. But drawing 150 amps for 2 seconds probably should blow the fuse before the charging circuit burns up.
But the fuses shown do not look like slow blow fuses.
"only made five of them",
So we're looking at a serious collectors item.
I don't know what "class HL" means, but a quick lookup at class H amps explains the minimal design a lot. Basically, this amp was never designed for regular use. You would need HUGE external batteries hooked up to the internals to power this thing for any appreciable length of time. It was designed to take 1 or 2 hours to charge up and then 10 or 15 minutes to drain the batteries.
I'm no expert in SPL competitions, but I can guess they banned the whole concept of batteries feeding class H amps. Because all you have to do is keep adding batteries in series and output Xsistors in parallel, and you can pump that up to no limits -- a half million watts if you have the money. And the whole of it would get no more complicated than what you've already seen.
batteries was the slow system.... Theres a CAP BANK for this amp that DUMPS A LIGHTNING BOLT in 30 seconds ..... that was the MAX run time specified by the design and Events of them times so it was primarily designed to do exactly that. 30 second run... max output.... Battery packs gave ya less output but a longer run time is all.... CAP BANK was the FIRE..... Lightning in a BOX.... BOOM!!!!!
@@bigdogbrodavepresents6178 No wonder it was banned from competitions.
HVAC (sheet metal) is typically 20-28 gauge galvanized steel sheet metal held together with slips and drives. Nothing like this box. FYI! It does have the appearance of being made in a "low tech" small shop with a small Pexto brake. It would be interesting to see a scoped output at load. ;)
If 80% max load is code for circuit protection (breaker/fuses)...then 200 amp max of 240 amps fused would be correct...
And that would be a "switch" not a re-lay..
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them old glass fuses would melt under pressure.... I remember...
OH MY GOD! I haven't watched yet, but what a unique old find, it's huuuuuuuge!
Oh god....
Oh, it's not an amp; it's a battery case. 🤣
Harrison Labs had some seriously different, crazy stuff back in the day. Nobody used any of their stuff but I remember reading about it and wondering if it was legit.
we shall wait for the madlad that makes a 19999 watt amp.
there already is amps over 50,000
@@chemdog444 150,000 watts these days from Brazil.... you know.... the land of the free... NOT BANNED internationally.... just in USA..... LOL.... go figure...
Back in the early 90's I used to run a HiFonics VII Zeus powering 2 15" M&M Godfathers... man those were good days.
Did someone say Godfathers?
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@@normellow lol. I still have 15" new in the box sitting in my basement along with two 6.5 Midbass.
looks like an old arc welder ,,, probably sounds the same too.
Here I am more than happy with a single 12 inch running like 400w rms.
Had experience with high grade concert audio equipment from the age of 5 now 41. Worked with power blocks from 2000 watts to 250000 watts. Best advice always have high grade ear protection preferably noise canceling forms. Make sure to charge the voice coils on the audio equipment before cranking up the volume. A spider separation from the cone is never a pleasant experience. Power management is another big deal. Ensure your systems has the capacity to handle the current your setup will draw. One good power surge can kill 100s of thousands to millions of dollars of equipment in an instant and if your lucky no major fires will break out.
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@@wal My pleasure. Just wanted to help emphasize proper safety measures are taken by people who may wish to experiment with high power audio equipment. I suffer from chronic tinnitus it's not pleasant.
The numbers are interesting, I think it's worth getting one of these things working to see what it really does! Whether it meets specs in the real world will depend in part on the actual battery voltage during testing, whether it's 12V or more like 13.5 or 14V. At 6:52 the 6-battery specs read 20kW max power at .25 ohm and 10kW RMS at .5 ohm. Assuming 12V, and if we ignore that batteries have internal resistance and pretend they maintain voltage under any load, ignore that fuses have resistance, ignore that the output devices have resistance, etc.. If you ignore those things, then six "12V" batteries in series gives you 72V rail voltage. They must tap from the center to get + and - rails. With a 0.25 ohm load that gives you a max instantaneous (peak) output of 20,736 watts, and assuming a sine wave you get max RMS output of 14,662 watts. At 1/2 ohm they claim 10kW RMS, which only works out with a square wave, sine wave RMS would be 7331W. Throw in all those realities that we ignored earlier and the real world numbers will be a chunk lower, ALTHOUGH if they are charging the batteries up to 13.5-14V then that makes a very significant difference and can make up for much of the losses we ignored earlier. Overall it's a creative way to get what was probably still a lot of power for the era, without having to build a power supply stage, and it would be interesting to see what it does in a real world test.
The supply from the car alternator is largely irrelevant. All that supply does, is charge the 72 volt array of AGM batteries, which, under load, probably sag to about 50~55 volts. A 50 volt square wave will put exactly 10,000 watts into a .25 Ohm load. The only thing that keeps the MOSFETS (if that's what they are) from cooking, is the fact that they clip. It's basically a square wave, deeply clipped signal. The heatsinks are not massive enough to dissipate the ~4,000 watts of heat, if it was indeed 10,000 watts of pure sine wave output to the speakers. It specifies, that it can sustain this for about 30 seconds, which is all you will get out of a lead acid battery that size, before it simply runs down. The heatsink just doesn't have enough area, nor the mass, for 30 seconds of sine wave.
If the batteries were so stiff, that they could maintain their full 72 volts under that horrendous load, the amp would indeed produce exactly 10,000 watts RMS sine into a .25 Ohm load. That requires 200 amps into the speaker, if that was a sine wave, the current would crest at 282.8 amps peak, for 200 amps RMS. It truly needs the four 60 amp fuses in parallel,(240 amps)on the output. To avoid the need for the center tap on the batteries, the amplifier is a full H bridge design, allowing full battery voltage to be applied to the speakers in either polarity. No center tap necessary, otherwise, the amplifier would only produce 1/4 that wattage into the .25 Ohm load.(2,500 watts)
@@vincentrobinette1507 the CAP BANK supplied 100 volts and BOOM.... dump the entire bank in 30 seconds.... Batteries gave ya less output but longer RUN time... How it was explained to me wayyyyyyyyy back when....
Someone stole the Flux capacitor out of it.
Fo sho
I seem to recall the Drag King was similar to a Drag Queen inside but instead of batteries it had a true internal voltage inverter like all normal amps used, in order to get ~50v to the outputs.
Now stick some Nu-Skool lithium batteries in there and listen to her sing
6x batteries better than 4x.
Any 12v car good brand battery will work.
this works like any 120v/220v PA unit, they lower voltage to 50v or 72v DC to operate at high power.
6x voltage means 6x less amperage needed, and that size batteries can deliver 140-200A easy.
72volt multiplied by 140 amps equals 10080 watts.
48volt multiplied by 200 amps equals 9600 watts.
12v batteries usually stays at 14v charged but voltage drop exist too.
You can use another high amp lead acid battery BMS too if stock is broken.
Grab some second hand batteries and test it. Missing components could be about 1 channel mode instead of 2.
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PS: the farm of 3 leg amplifiers seems to be placed in two lines near the front panel, they are in opposite direction and maybe works in cascade, one line pushes membrane out and the other one pushes the membrane inside of the speaker, the bigger the heatsink/fan the longer time you have for fun.
PS2: minute 5:21. I can count 80x 3pin TO mosfets. 40 on each board, 20 in the front 20 in the back.
PS3: this amp is a beast. if you feed and tune it properly it can blow indefinitely
At this point you want to test it too
PS4: it can work in AC but you need a 10kw 110/220v to 72v 80Ax2 toroid coil and trashcan size capacitors. So better, easyer and cheaper stay with batteries.
it drains 850A max in 12v language so you will need some beefy step up boards to charge the amp, but you also never going to use indefinitely at peak level so maybe 150-300A alternator+stepUp should work good at make ears bleed. 300A bms only for charging and balancing is cheaper too
72v multiplied by 200 amps sounds fun
I have a bose with similar layout, 24 older transistors. it can pop any speaker, limiter is a must.
Watching you test amps that were built in the early 2000s makes me feel ancient.
When I first had a big system installed in my car. It was 1986 and I used Alpine amps . 1 x3528 a pair of 3531s each pushing an Alpine 10 pro . I think I used a pair of coaxial 5.5s or 6.5s in the doors and a pair of Polk audio 3x5, plates in the back. .I had to build my own sub box , because at that time, the regions biggest audio retailer didn't even build them. .
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