Datasat doesn’t just make equipment, that’s the parent company of DTS, one of the biggest innovators in cinema sound. They make the audio codec that a lot of your movies use for sound
Datasat isn't the parent company of DTS. Datasat is DTS' old cinema division. In 2008, DTS divested themselves of their cinema division, forming the separate company DTS Digital Cinema. In 2009, it was purchased and renamed Datasat. DTS' parent is Xperi (a tech holding company).
What a silly move for them to copyright infring datasat. They could have developed their own brand and word of mouth at that price and performance would have made them fairly popular, especially among the financially strapped.
One must remember that companies that steal intellectual property and/or falsely market their products under another company’s brand name are looking to make as much money as quickly as possible, not the longevity of their business. They price their products very cheap to make a profit by selling a lot of units quickly before they are shut down. Then they start over again using a different name. Since they have stolen the intellectual property of another company, they do not have the expense of research and design. It is very common for Chinese companies who have been commissioned to build a product for a brand to make more of the product than the original brand ordered and then sell the exact same product at a lower cost undercutting the original brand.
Given that its China, the whole thing is a ripoff from top to bottom. Its likely some company linked to the CCP wholesale stole the designs from a legitimate budget company that was manufacturing there, and decided to roll some knock-offs with the blatant logo thievery to put the cherry on top. Easy to make stuff for cheap when all you have to do is just bring a thumb drive to someone else's business. No R&D costs or anything like that. Edit: Basically a TL;DR of what he said ☝Still, its one reason I would like Dereck to show discretion in reviewing these types of amps and ensure they are at least a real company first. Giving some bootleg company good publicity just reinforces their profits and keeps the scam going.
China is where they are today because they steal. Almost all electronic components are manufactured in China . This is all supported by their government. If you design a product in some other country then send it to China for manufacturing, guaranteed, your design has been compromised/stolen. Countries should send their manufacturing to other places . Yes it may be more expensive but weighing against the alternatives of what this communist has done and what it now has the capability to do military wise , we should stop now. It might already be too late .
It’s the same irs2092 iraudamp circuit used in many name brand amplifiers out. Great little amp, the ps fets and output fets are cheap and available. The irs2092 is unavailable right now for the average joe, but should hit the market again soon. Great amp that you could keep going for a long time with low repair costs when needed.
I was shocked by this one as it did well and I thought for sure it would be like those other amps that straight up lied to us! Now only if they would have faith in themselves and come up with their own name, lol.
No kidding. They could even up the quality of some of the "cheap" items mentioned...charge $75 and it would still fly off the shelf. Shame about the naming thing though...
Datasat is the new owner of the DTS digital film sound patents. The AP25 was one of the last film cinema sound processors produced. Datasat still provides some support for legacy DTS film equipment, including the DTS-6, DTS-6D, DTS-6AD, and layer processors and film timecode readers. They also cover the DTS decoding on home audio equipment.
I'd like to hear the cannon shots from the Telarc recording of the Cincinnati Orchestra's rendition of Tchiakowski's 1812 Overture... That's always been my bass response test.
Thanks for picking up the amp I recommend. I had a great laugh at the box myself. I picked up this while browsing on Amazon looking for cheap amp with big fusing. I figured this out around 600 watts , who knew it would do more. Big D 4 da win.
Don't know how long you have been doing this. During the late 1970's up to about 1990, a friend of mine ran a car stereo shop (still does). During that time, he built several crank it up cars. We had a design we were going to put in an abandoned Rambler station wagon, but the shopping center had it towed off before we could do it. The design was based on the speaker that a company called LTV built in the 1940's to test the microphone used to record an early nuclear explosion. One of the cars he built was for a customer with a 1970's Chevy Monte-Carlo with the long doors. The owner decided to go all in and cut the guts out of the doors and put 2 15's in each door. 4-18's went where the back seat used to be. Since there was a little space left at the top, they through in some 10 inch Gauss for the mid-bass. In the truck were 6 Harmon Kardon CA-260 amps, with all but one bridged mono. A series of 5 inch across the top of the doors and some JBL studio tweets under the dash, rounded out the drivers. This was fed by a high end Nakamichi cassette deck with computer controlled azimuth and a high end ADS for equalization. The day of the contest came and we all drove to Dallas for the event. We get there and the same guy who beat our car the previous year shows up with a 1960 Cadillac Hearse. 7-1500 watt amps and a - no kidding 26 inch Woofer for the low bass. 2-150 amp alternators. Even with that, it still took 14 or so Marine batteries, just to turn the stereo on. Yep lost again, but just barely. The winner got a mini-pickup, but more importantly for the young gentleman, he got a job! A leading amplifier company hired him as an engineer.
The insides look okay. I was expecting crappy caps and used mosfets extracted from ewaste but those seem like brand new mosfets. Although in china they can extract parts from ewaste and make them look like they came out of production line the other day. I bought some used chips from utsource and it was unbelievable how good the cleaned those ic and ic legs
@@johnhornbeak5735 that is protective clothe braid. the two outside legs are your high voltage/high current legs. the middle leg is the "switched" one. If you think of them as relays....the braiding is to protect things from arcing to the heat sink in crazy conditions. probably cheaper than running a piece of plastic the whole length behind the mosfets. the chinese will cut ANY and EVERY possible corner to scrimp a penny. its how they sell these things for 63 bucks. 25% of which is import tax.
The z44 power mosfet is arguably the best transistor ever in the car audio amp world. Due to their prevalence in many very good amps, including the early zed amps and countless others. Though there are many newer power transistors with higher performance they are a classic, timeless piece.
I think its one of the reasons why it has poor efficiency and big difference dynamic vs clipping. Those mosfets are pretty old and inefficient. I would change mosfets for something better and probably would see 1000w up to clipping if the transformer isnt saturating ofc.
@@JusstyteN yes, I did state that there were newer parts with higher performance. Efficiency being one of those parameters, I would probably put in some 3205s but years from now the z44 or it's crossover will continue to be used in amplifiers.
Although Amazon cannot inspect every prospective product pitched to Amazon by resellers in China, we might be curious about how long it took Amazon to come to its legal senses about Datasat-- especially priced as it was.
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I have bought a number of things from your links with that intent in mind. The ignite, Pioneer, Skar, and the JP8 were all purchased from your vids. I got the skar subs long before you tested them. Keep posting we love you. Talk to your boy JP about making a real bass head Bluetooth speaker and discontinue the over priced JBL clone.
could you measure the rail voltage on every amplifier you reviews next time? i mean you already open it to show us the guts, might as well probe the rail voltage on the diode legs too,i would love to see that thanks.
@@wal thanks bigD for considering my suggestion,base on the rail voltage and data from your amp dyno,we know which section are the weaker point between power supply section and output section on every amp design.thanks again looking forward to watch more of your vids
My teenager self from the 90’s would’ve been pissed I missed out on this amp for $63. 1000 watts was expensive those days! Woulda bought 3 of them just for spares!
It's probably the exact same as the diamond Amp. Basically the way these Chinese manufacturers work is the factory that makes the diamond Amp from 9-5, at 5:00 the diamond brand light shuts off, but that factory keeps running 24hrs a day. So the amps they produce outside of the diamond brand hours, they just slap their own brand name on and sell it themselves at a reduced price bc you're going around the middle man... you can really find great quality products at hugely reduced prices if you know just what to look for...
Hey Big D just and idea. Have you ever thought about dynoing two of the exact same amps? I know I'm curious to see how far they are different in power. I know I've bought two of the same amps and birth sheets be couple hundred watts different. (Kicker and fosgate in my experience). Just an idea something different
@@wal what!! I missed a Big D Dyno video? Man I been watching you since you used to film inside the house on a little desk with old school amps stacked all around it.
Maybe do one that the company sends you to Dyno, the but one like a regular customer and see if the ones we get Dyno the same as the ones they send you to test.
Could it have been: 1) Actual Datasat product that was: A: Discontinued/liquidated? B: Stolen? 2) "After-hours production" by factory building them under contract? Bonus Q: Do you know Ray Rayburn?
The manufacturer made a bet that a niche company on the opposite end of the price spectrum would not notice its trademark being used. It lost that bet but it’s a gamble that often works for other chinese manufacturers. I would have bought that amp and the 4 channel if it had been as well priced. Thanks for another very interesting video Big D.
They also have products under the name plinius, which is like datasat, a actual usa company. a $15k a amplifier for home audio. I'm guessing they thought these companies wouldn't see them in car audio Plinius have like 8 amps Datasat even has a dsp amp! Have every type of speaker too I talked to the company N1 and n4 are still available on usa, I'm ordering 2 on August 10
Looking back at this, I see 2 weaknesses: The power supply MOSFETs and the output choke coil. Replace the 4 Z44n MOSFETs with something a little stronger and your certified/uncertified numbers might get closer to the dynamic results. The output filtering choke looks a bit small for even 600 watts at 1 ohm considering the 30 amps of output current available. I think if I could get one (change the name to "DataSnatch" for all I care), that would be the first upgrades I made. Too bad @barevids couldn't get his hands on this and confirm my theories...
Damn that amp was nice looking with the copper look on top and def could bump for 63$! It’s a shame it’s not around it’ll prob get sold on eBay now for 5x the price since big d did a video on it. Loved this and had those kickers slapping !🤘🏻🤘🏻🥇🥇
@@danthemansrepreviews5644 You’re not afraid the amp will simply melt down? I've only messed with cheap amps once in my life and the result wasn’t good. I learned my lesson.
They actually sheathed the leads on those FETs, but then it looked like they used construction paper for the little capes and toothpaste for thermal paste!! THANK YOU DOR SHARING THIS! It’s very educational to see you run those bench tests.
@@Mr.Robert1 I know exactly what you mean,I was referring to bass heads that have a certain budget and want a 6 sub configuration for a low price and take a risk that it’s not going to hold up. When I was in high school I knew someone that bought two 12 inch Sony explode subwoofers and a 1200 watt Sony amp and it was louder than a guy that spent allot more,but then we found out the other guy had inferior wiring lol 😂,I apologize for the long reply It’s just Mobil audio makes me happy 😃!
As of August 19, 2022 they are available on Amazon. I purchased one last night . You’re just going to need to dig a little bit as they don’t come up in the multichannel amp section.
650W is in fact *very* close to 1000W. It's less than a 2 dB difference which at audible frequencies is not easy for the ear to discern. I don't know how it translates to gut-shaking at subwoofer frequencies, but at 1kHz most people wouldn't say it's dramatically less loud. Some listeners might not even notice the change in loudness.
Interesting bit of kit there. I have a Velodyne 150W sub that I've been running for about 20 years (not continuously). It's an 8" cone in a ported case with crossover. The box it came in is long gone and I have it right next to a reflecting wall. My question is, is it as nice as I think it is? Yeah, it is fraying a bit on the cover. But it shakes the whole house. It also cost a whole lot less than current Velodyne products.
my boxes got smashed up but the one sounds decent enough, since the glue is holding up. they are cheap 12" passive speakers, so i use it in the house with a 200w car stereo (low power so a broke box isnt audible) . look at the corner of the box and see if you can pull/push the panels together. if the glue isnt holding and its loose youll hear it as the speaker flexes and shakes the box, making a god awful noise. shouldnt hurt the speaker any though. is the amp built into the speaker? might be fun to make a new box for the old active speaker. or find a prebuiltbox and fit the sub and amp into, idk.
bro i took a piece of wood and glued it over a 12" whole. then fitted a 10" sub to said panel in place of the 12" speaker, giving it a bigger enclosure..... it sounded ok, needs a lpf though.
@@1oneguythat I should proof read better. What's gone / going is the cloth on the front. The physical enclosure is fine. The amp is built into the same box as the speaker. It puts out an amazing amount of base for an 8" with no passive driver. Although my room isn't that big, it still resonates a good portion of the house because of modern home construction. When I was in an apartment, it nearly got me evicted. LOL.
Nice , just picked one up brand new for 30 bucks at an auction going to power 2 punch 3 12”s with it Decided to go ahead and buy it after watching your video on it
The case reminded me of a early 2000s alpine. Lol. To bad it was taken down, seems like a great budget banger. Great video and breakdown as always sir! Thank you
I recently bought a Lanzar Vector VCT2610, I have not tested it but it says inside the box it's true rating is 300 + 300 watts rms. It's for strapping so it will be ok for 2 x 300w subs and my second amp for the woofers at 250w per ch and 6" x 9" 125w per channel. Should pump when I make the enclosures. There are some bad reviews for Lanzar but I think they are pushing the amps too far and not testing their true output first, I will keep them to their lowest rating. Thanks for all your great video's.
I got mine 2 days ago...honestly my punch 601 gets waaay hotter... this doesn't get all that hot...I swear like...very touchable lol. Solid piece..I'm getting a n4 too just to keep before there gone
That box with 4L7 subs is super sweet I love those subs from back in the day I’m sure the newer ones are pretty sweet esp a box with 4 in there really like it!!
The good news is that this thing would probably last about a week so maybe it's not so bad that you can't buy it on Amazon. I mean, if you have to be suspicious that the caps are carrying fake labels ... One of the reasons to spend more on known name-brand products is longevity. A $60 amp sounds like a steal until you have to replace it every couple months and the costs soon add up to what you'd have paid for something built better. Thanks for posting this video, it was very thorough and very interesting.
@@wal You're welcome. I learned my lesson about this by buying cheap subwoofers that last 6 - 8 months. I finally woke up and decided to bite the bullet on a genuine Klipsch subwoofer that has now been in service for three years and is still working as well as the day I hooked it up. It wasn't terribly expensive and in the long run it's a *_lot_* cheaper than buying a pile of cheap gear at half the price. There are about 5 subs up in my attic waiting for the day I can either use some of the parts, repair them or chuck them in the trash. Those subs were all a loss financially, if I'd bought the Klipsch to begin with I'd be richer, happier and less frustrated.
Ya the advertising reminds me of poor translation on many, many other Chinese products, not like you could fit a sub in the box lol but bro, for the price. That's not a bad little amp. I don't remember seeing the legs of the mosfets wrapped in other amps especially in that price range. Def an interesting specimen brotha, thanks for sharing
After seeing the first case of poor translation I tried to catch the next one before Big D pointed it out. Sort of a game. But right when he pointed out that both input & output we're labeled "input" I noticed that under them out was out but input was labeled "front". One would assume the only input could just be called "input". Google translator helped expose another fake 🤥
Stuff like this is insane. Proves audio of decent quality doesn't have to be expensive. Would it work for years? Who knows? At below $70 the gamble seems well worth it. But, alas, it ain't available and for a what is likely the reason you postulated. Why didn't it just get a rebrand is the real mystery?
For the money It's pretty good, the key would be to buy a few of them, run them @8ohm to get the efficiency up higher and run them well under their rated output to get the distortion down. No specs on the slew rate or signal to noise ratio. I have a Sound Craftsman PM860 Professional Mosfet amp. [120V] It's zero ohm stable which means you can short the speaker wires and power it on without harming it. The certificate of performance states Channel A 286W/Channel B 287W @8ohm, Channel A 401/Channel B 402W @4ohm all at .05%THD [Probably get close to 450W per channel @2ohm] With a Slew rate of 50V per microsecond. [It's really fast] I've paired it up with 4 EV Force 10 and 2 EV Force 12 musical instrument full range loudspeakers with 10lb magnets, 105Db SPL [1W@1Meter] 150W continuous. They accurately reproduce flat thought the audio waveform spectrum. [This means no matter what frequency you drive them at, they reproduce with the same intensity of sound pressure equally.] 10" 75Hz - 7000Hz/ 12" 65Hz - 7000Hz Oh yea, when you power it on, you hear a little pop, the speaker does a little flex in and out a couple of times and then... Silence and it stays silent using a Makie mixer at zero volume input. With this baby and the EV's, you close your eyes and swear the band is in front of you with accurate reproduction.
I wish I could luck onto something like this. Being on a fixed income sucks when you love having a decent sound system. Need a new amp but everything I look at is just outside my price range
Dude a 1k amp for under a hundred bucks. Hat does rated power. That's impressive. Probably not the cleanest power but I bet for a budget banger it would sound good. Keep the vids coming.
I have found the n4 but no luck on the n1 I'd be willing to give this go. Been years being out-of car audio butnlack of thump in my truck I'm putting one together
Bid D! Is there by chance you could Dyno the PRV amps. I heard from a few buddies that they’re putting out a good line of amps. Appreciate all you do brother!
Bought 2 one for daughter and one just because. Hooked up daughters at 1 ohm and after 3 minutes or so higher volume blew fuse twice so switched out with the just because one i had and it did the same so doesn't look like it like 1ohm. Sounded good while it played.
Haha. Noticed you upped the fuses to 40s. Was curious how it would produce the proper wattage if it doesn't have enough amps coming in. Nice review. Just goes to show you don't always get what you pay for. In this rare case you got way more.bang for your buck. Thanks for the info
Picked two of these up for $70 each about a month ago. So far so good. Swapped out the Punch 550.2 I was running for one of these and honestly can't tell much difference in SQ or total output.
I’ve been watching your amp dyno videos and absolutely love them! I was gonna suggest to dyno a nemesis audio amp! They’re are pretty popular here in West Texas, thank you
Very Good Monday Morning Big D Pwr Fets 44 & out Fets can do greater Red Ampiliers Mono Block broads always have been issues with Parts n Blown Tracks pads! Last Question about this Type of Ampilier $63 is great deals What made Amazon To Banned thiz Products? Have A Super Cool Monday Morning Big D
@@wal Asian well could say close to Aussie. Good Morning Big D. Do you have a preference for email ✉️ address to chat Have a Interesting question to asks you Have a wonderful Friday Morning ( USA )
"Higher percentage means more effecient, but not necessarily MORE BETTER." 😂HaHa. I just got a kick out of that, and I mean that as a lighthearted jab not seriously trying to be a jerk. I thoroughly enjoyed this video, and you did a fantastic job explaining everything and breaking down the information for just about anyone to easily understand. This was my first experience with your channel, so I look forward to checking out more of your content. Thanks for the video!
Haven’t read all the comments, so if someone already mentioned it, I apologize… But Datasat is the name of a high end AV Pre/Pro manufacturer. Pretty sure they don’t make car audio “Made by America” and pretty sure they didn’t approve their logo for use on this amp (probably why it was banned on Amazon) Edit: Guess I shoulda watched the whole video before commenting. 🤦♂️🤷♂️😂
About half way through what is another great video Big D, and I'm thinking this thing is amazing for a sub $100 amp. Now I will get back to the last half of the video and see what happens..
I have a few real diamond audio amps. A d5600.1, d5600.2 and d5600.4 and a d61000.1 I'd love to get put up to your dyno curious how I could get this done
It was also "MINDE IN CHINA" so says the box at 0:48. The amp actually did 450 dynamic 4 ohms, it jumped at the end. While China is extremely lax on intellectual property rights violations, they are much less forgiving when it comes to using the exact same name of another company. My guess is you will see this amp resurface with a different name.
Interesting. I wish I had one of these when I was in high school. I would run stereo 25w on a 12 inch cerwin vega back in the day and I thought that was cool.
Hey its back on Amazon! 74$ though, the listing says all ratings are either MAX (top description) or RMS (bottom product description category) no voltage shown but i would expect it to be 14.4v.
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Datasat doesn’t just make equipment, that’s the parent company of DTS, one of the biggest innovators in cinema sound. They make the audio codec that a lot of your movies use for sound
Yes and I don't believe this product is an "official" DATASAT product. I'm waiting to hear back from them
Datasat isn't the parent company of DTS. Datasat is DTS' old cinema division.
In 2008, DTS divested themselves of their cinema division, forming the separate company DTS Digital Cinema. In 2009, it was purchased and renamed Datasat.
DTS' parent is Xperi (a tech holding company).
You don't MAKE a codec, you WRITE one. A codec is a software program.
@@lyfandeth Are you saying that someone who writes a piece of software doesn't make it?
@@lyfandeth we get all of that, I was making a larger point about the size, scope, and importance of DTS, now owned by xperi
What a silly move for them to copyright infring datasat. They could have developed their own brand and word of mouth at that price and performance would have made them fairly popular, especially among the financially strapped.
One must remember that companies that steal intellectual property and/or falsely market their products under another company’s brand name are looking to make as much money as quickly as possible, not the longevity of their business. They price their products very cheap to make a profit by selling a lot of units quickly before they are shut down. Then they start over again using a different name.
Since they have stolen the intellectual property of another company, they do not have the expense of research and design.
It is very common for Chinese companies who have been commissioned to build a product for a brand to make more of the product than the original brand ordered and then sell the exact same product at a lower cost undercutting the original brand.
Given that its China, the whole thing is a ripoff from top to bottom. Its likely some company linked to the CCP wholesale stole the designs from a legitimate budget company that was manufacturing there, and decided to roll some knock-offs with the blatant logo thievery to put the cherry on top. Easy to make stuff for cheap when all you have to do is just bring a thumb drive to someone else's business. No R&D costs or anything like that. Edit: Basically a TL;DR of what he said ☝Still, its one reason I would like Dereck to show discretion in reviewing these types of amps and ensure they are at least a real company first. Giving some bootleg company good publicity just reinforces their profits and keeps the scam going.
China is where they are today because they steal. Almost all electronic components are manufactured in China . This is all supported by their government. If you design a product in some other country then send it to China for manufacturing, guaranteed, your design has been compromised/stolen. Countries should send their manufacturing to other places . Yes it may be more expensive but weighing against the alternatives of what this communist has done and what it now has the capability to do military wise , we should stop now. It might already be too late .
This Chinese junk is probably going to blow after a week of use. And good luck with warranty service after that.
@@TreesOnTheBeach warranty?! lol
It’s the same irs2092 iraudamp circuit used in many name brand amplifiers out. Great little amp, the ps fets and output fets are cheap and available. The irs2092 is unavailable right now for the average joe, but should hit the market again soon. Great amp that you could keep going for a long time with low repair costs when needed.
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I saw the 4 channel amp demo test & bought one & took a chance. And it is working great still, almost a year later.
I was shocked by this one as it did well and I thought for sure it would be like those other amps that straight up lied to us! Now only if they would have faith in themselves and come up with their own name, lol.
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@@wal 2 30 Amp fuses ? Pulling 100+ ?? Somebody explain 😂
@@rahuldogra yes it is possible. It’s the duration that will cause them to pop. They can handle 2-3x ratings for short periods
No kidding. They could even up the quality of some of the "cheap" items mentioned...charge $75 and it would still fly off the shelf. Shame about the naming thing though...
@@MrGraywolves it’s back amzn.to/3QsWA6N
Whenever Big D says "we'll talk about it later", you know it's going to be either very good or super bad 😆 Thank you D 👍👍
Gotta keep ‘um interested 😊
Something you probably don't want to hear your Dr. say though.
There been some fair luke warm ones a long the way :D
It could only be good or bad though 🤷 just saying
@@shonuff4377 May favorite color is grey ⚖
Datasat is the new owner of the DTS digital film sound patents. The AP25 was one of the last film cinema sound processors produced. Datasat still provides some support for legacy DTS film equipment, including the DTS-6, DTS-6D, DTS-6AD, and layer processors and film timecode readers. They also cover the DTS decoding on home audio equipment.
I'd like to hear the cannon shots from the Telarc recording of the Cincinnati Orchestra's rendition of Tchiakowski's 1812 Overture... That's always been my bass response test.
Thanks for picking up the amp I recommend. I had a great laugh at the box myself. I picked up this while browsing on Amazon looking for cheap amp with big fusing. I figured this out around 600 watts , who knew it would do more. Big D 4 da win.
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Don't know how long you have been doing this. During the late 1970's up to about 1990, a friend of mine ran a car stereo shop (still does). During that time, he built several crank it up cars. We had a design we were going to put in an abandoned Rambler station wagon, but the shopping center had it towed off before we could do it. The design was based on the speaker that a company called LTV built in the 1940's to test the microphone used to record an early nuclear explosion. One of the cars he built was for a customer with a 1970's Chevy Monte-Carlo with the long doors. The owner decided to go all in and cut the guts out of the doors and put 2 15's in each door. 4-18's went where the back seat used to be. Since there was a little space left at the top, they through in some 10 inch Gauss for the mid-bass. In the truck were 6 Harmon Kardon CA-260 amps, with all but one bridged mono. A series of 5 inch across the top of the doors and some JBL studio tweets under the dash, rounded out the drivers. This was fed by a high end Nakamichi cassette deck with computer controlled azimuth and a high end ADS for equalization. The day of the contest came and we all drove to Dallas for the event. We get there and the same guy who beat our car the previous year shows up with a 1960 Cadillac Hearse. 7-1500 watt amps and a - no kidding 26 inch Woofer for the low bass. 2-150 amp alternators. Even with that, it still took 14 or so Marine batteries, just to turn the stereo on. Yep lost again, but just barely. The winner got a mini-pickup, but more importantly for the young gentleman, he got a job! A leading amplifier company hired him as an engineer.
I miss the early 90's car audio days..
The insides look okay. I was expecting crappy caps and used mosfets extracted from ewaste but those seem like brand new mosfets. Although in china they can extract parts from ewaste and make them look like they came out of production line the other day.
I bought some used chips from utsource and it was unbelievable how good the cleaned those ic and ic legs
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@@wal Did you notice how a couple of the legs of the I see were wrapped in some kind of condom have you seen that before?
@@johnhornbeak5735 that is protective clothe braid. the two outside legs are your high voltage/high current legs. the middle leg is the "switched" one. If you think of them as relays....the braiding is to protect things from arcing to the heat sink in crazy conditions. probably cheaper than running a piece of plastic the whole length behind the mosfets. the chinese will cut ANY and EVERY possible corner to scrimp a penny. its how they sell these things for 63 bucks. 25% of which is import tax.
Utsource solder new leg to used transistor and sell like a new with different number engraved with laser
@@especialistqap i tested every part and they performed to datasheet specs. So i don't believe the parts have been faked like ebay stuff.
The z44 power mosfet is arguably the best transistor ever in the car audio amp world. Due to their prevalence in many very good amps, including the early zed amps and countless others. Though there are many newer power transistors with higher performance they are a classic, timeless piece.
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Nothing like the old Motorola brand mosfet they made a long time ago
I think its one of the reasons why it has poor efficiency and big difference dynamic vs clipping. Those mosfets are pretty old and inefficient. I would change mosfets for something better and probably would see 1000w up to clipping if the transformer isnt saturating ofc.
@@JusstyteN yes, I did state that there were newer parts with higher performance. Efficiency being one of those parameters, I would probably put in some 3205s but years from now the z44 or it's crossover will continue to be used in amplifiers.
@@justinhiggins2210 yea i still have a small bag of those for repairs.
Although Amazon cannot inspect every prospective product pitched to Amazon by resellers in China, we might be curious about how long it took Amazon to come to its legal senses about Datasat-- especially priced as it was.
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I have bought a number of things from your links with that intent in mind. The ignite, Pioneer, Skar, and the JP8 were all purchased from your vids. I got the skar subs long before you tested them. Keep posting we love you. Talk to your boy JP about making a real bass head Bluetooth speaker and discontinue the over priced JBL clone.
could you measure the rail voltage on every amplifier you reviews next time? i mean you already open it to show us the guts, might as well probe the rail voltage on the diode legs too,i would love to see that thanks.
@@amadzack666 Thanks for the suggestion 👌
@@wal thanks bigD for considering my suggestion,base on the rail voltage and data from your amp dyno,we know which section are the weaker point between power supply section and output section on every amp design.thanks again looking forward to watch more of your vids
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Datasat N4 & N1 were both 1000W. N1 is for car audio.
Thanks for posting this video. :)
My teenager self from the 90’s would’ve been pissed I missed out on this amp for $63. 1000 watts was expensive those days! Woulda bought 3 of them just for spares!
You and me both 😂
It's probably the exact same as the diamond Amp. Basically the way these Chinese manufacturers work is the factory that makes the diamond Amp from 9-5, at 5:00 the diamond brand light shuts off, but that factory keeps running 24hrs a day. So the amps they produce outside of the diamond brand hours, they just slap their own brand name on and sell it themselves at a reduced price bc you're going around the middle man... you can really find great quality products at hugely reduced prices if you know just what to look for...
Would love to find 2 of these I have 2 diamond audio des1000.1 monoblocks that need new insides and I bet these would drop right in lol
Hey Big D just and idea. Have you ever thought about dynoing two of the exact same amps? I know I'm curious to see how far they are different in power. I know I've bought two of the same amps and birth sheets be couple hundred watts different. (Kicker and fosgate in my experience). Just an idea something different
I did this a while back with the Sundown SCV-3000. The results were amazingly close
@@wal what!! I missed a Big D Dyno video? Man I been watching you since you used to film inside the house on a little desk with old school amps stacked all around it.
Maybe do one that the company sends you to Dyno, the but one like a regular customer and see if the ones we get Dyno the same as the ones they send you to test.
Could it have been:
1) Actual Datasat product that was:
A: Discontinued/liquidated?
B: Stolen?
2) "After-hours production" by factory building them under contract?
Bonus Q: Do you know Ray Rayburn?
I was wondering if it was an attempt at branching out to a larger market that failed or was squashed by the higher ups
The manufacturer made a bet that a niche company on the opposite end of the price spectrum would not notice its trademark being used. It lost that bet but it’s a gamble that often works for other chinese manufacturers. I would have bought that amp and the 4 channel if it had been as well priced. Thanks for another very interesting video Big D.
Yeah it’s crazy!
They also have products under the name plinius, which is like datasat, a actual usa company. a $15k a amplifier for home audio.
I'm guessing they thought these companies wouldn't see them in car audio
Plinius have like 8 amps
Datasat even has a dsp amp!
Have every type of speaker too
I talked to the company
N1 and n4 are still available on usa,
I'm ordering 2 on August 10
Looking back at this, I see 2 weaknesses:
The power supply MOSFETs and the output choke coil.
Replace the 4 Z44n MOSFETs with something a little stronger and your certified/uncertified numbers might get closer to the dynamic results.
The output filtering choke looks a bit small for even 600 watts at 1 ohm considering the 30 amps of output current available.
I think if I could get one (change the name to "DataSnatch" for all I care), that would be the first upgrades I made.
Too bad @barevids couldn't get his hands on this and confirm my theories...
AND THEY BLOWN UP IN 2 MINUTES GOING BY THE PEOPLE WHO INSTALLED THEM.
Damn that amp was nice looking with the copper look on top and def could bump for 63$! It’s a shame it’s not around it’ll prob get sold on eBay now for 5x the price since big d did a video on it. Loved this and had those kickers slapping !🤘🏻🤘🏻🥇🥇
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If you love the looks of it just buy the Diamond Audio version. It more than likely has slightly more respectable performance.
@@Assimilator702 That's a $600.00 dollar price difference. I doubt he likes the looks that much.
Psst available now om Amazon for $76 just got 1
@@danthemansrepreviews5644 You’re not afraid the amp will simply melt down? I've only messed with cheap amps once in my life and the result wasn’t good. I learned my lesson.
They actually sheathed the leads on those FETs, but then it looked like they used construction paper for the little capes and toothpaste for thermal paste!! THANK YOU DOR SHARING THIS! It’s very educational to see you run those bench tests.
Crazy 😜!
Imagine having 6 of them and 6 skar audio 600 watt rms 18’s for under $2000.
God bless y’all!
Man you just gave me an idea 💡
@@wal that’s great bro I love your channel and if I gave you an idea you just made my day god bless y’all!
I would prefer to have one good quality amp , as opposed to six garbage amps. to each his own.
@@Mr.Robert1 I know exactly what you mean,I was referring to bass heads that have a certain budget and want a 6 sub configuration for a low price and take a risk that it’s not going to hold up.
When I was in high school I knew someone that bought two 12 inch Sony explode subwoofers and a 1200 watt Sony amp and it was louder than a guy that spent allot more,but then we found out the other guy had inferior wiring lol 😂,I apologize for the long reply It’s just Mobil audio makes me happy 😃!
As of August 19, 2022 they are available on Amazon. I purchased one last night . You’re just going to need to dig a little bit as they don’t come up in the multichannel amp section.
I updated both the pinned comment as well as video description 2 days ago with this info 👌
Would be interested to see the frequency response of these amps at various power outputs too.
Thanks for the suggestion
Surprisingly good little amp for the money. Who knows if it would last a long time or not but for $63, I'd buy one.
I’ve paid more for dinner at Chick Fil A for my family
YES!!! The moment we've all been waiting for. Thanks Big D!!
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650W is in fact *very* close to 1000W. It's less than a 2 dB difference which at audible frequencies is not easy for the ear to discern. I don't know how it translates to gut-shaking at subwoofer frequencies, but at 1kHz most people wouldn't say it's dramatically less loud. Some listeners might not even notice the change in loudness.
That’s true but we are looking at raw numbers. Like saying 0-60 at 5 seconds and 4.5 seconds isn’t much difference. It’s true what you said tho
I'd keep this amp. It'll be worth $65 in about 50 years!
Investment FTL
at 6:42 specs: 405W @ 4Ω, 88% efficient. for $63, thats a very good deal for watt per dollar. how is the audioquality from that amp ?
Interesting bit of kit there. I have a Velodyne 150W sub that I've been running for about 20 years (not continuously). It's an 8" cone in a ported case with crossover. The box it came in is long gone and I have it right next to a reflecting wall. My question is, is it as nice as I think it is? Yeah, it is fraying a bit on the cover. But it shakes the whole house. It also cost a whole lot less than current Velodyne products.
my boxes got smashed up but the one sounds decent enough, since the glue is holding up. they are cheap 12" passive speakers, so i use it in the house with a 200w car stereo (low power so a broke box isnt audible)
. look at the corner of the box and see if you can pull/push the panels together. if the glue isnt holding and its loose youll hear it as the speaker flexes and shakes the box, making a god awful noise. shouldnt hurt the speaker any though.
is the amp built into the speaker? might be fun to make a new box for the old active speaker. or find a prebuiltbox and fit the sub and amp into, idk.
or make a box for the amp yea? xD idk that would be sick
bro i took a piece of wood and glued it over a 12" whole. then fitted a 10" sub to said panel in place of the 12" speaker, giving it a bigger enclosure..... it sounded ok, needs a lpf though.
@@1oneguythat I should proof read better. What's gone / going is the cloth on the front. The physical enclosure is fine. The amp is built into the same box as the speaker. It puts out an amazing amount of base for an 8" with no passive driver. Although my room isn't that big, it still resonates a good portion of the house because of modern home construction. When I was in an apartment, it nearly got me evicted. LOL.
Nice , just picked one up brand new for 30 bucks at an auction going to power 2 punch 3 12”s with it Decided to go ahead and buy it after watching your video on it
The case reminded me of a early 2000s alpine. Lol. To bad it was taken down, seems like a great budget banger. Great video and breakdown as always sir! Thank you
Thanks for watching and commenting!
I recently bought a Lanzar Vector VCT2610, I have not tested it but it says inside the box it's true rating is 300 + 300 watts rms. It's for strapping so it will be ok for 2 x 300w subs and my second amp for the woofers at 250w per ch and 6" x 9" 125w per channel. Should pump when I make the enclosures. There are some bad reviews for Lanzar but I think they are pushing the amps too far and not testing their true output first, I will keep them to their lowest rating. Thanks for all your great video's.
At 53% efficiency isn't this thing going to get so hot that it fails some internal components? If so, then running at 1 ohm would not be safe.
I got mine 2 days ago...honestly my punch 601 gets waaay hotter... this doesn't get all that hot...I swear like...very touchable lol. Solid piece..I'm getting a n4 too just to keep before there gone
That box with 4L7 subs is super sweet I love those subs from back in the day I’m sure the newer ones are pretty sweet esp a box with 4 in there really like it!!
The good news is that this thing would probably last about a week so maybe it's not so bad that you can't buy it on Amazon. I mean, if you have to be suspicious that the caps are carrying fake labels ... One of the reasons to spend more on known name-brand products is longevity. A $60 amp sounds like a steal until you have to replace it every couple months and the costs soon add up to what you'd have paid for something built better. Thanks for posting this video, it was very thorough and very interesting.
Thanks for the feedback!
@@wal You're welcome. I learned my lesson about this by buying cheap subwoofers that last 6 - 8 months. I finally woke up and decided to bite the bullet on a genuine Klipsch subwoofer that has now been in service for three years and is still working as well as the day I hooked it up. It wasn't terribly expensive and in the long run it's a *_lot_* cheaper than buying a pile of cheap gear at half the price. There are about 5 subs up in my attic waiting for the day I can either use some of the parts, repair them or chuck them in the trash. Those subs were all a loss financially, if I'd bought the Klipsch to begin with I'd be richer, happier and less frustrated.
Another good one. I can't begin to tell you how much I've learned from this channel. So glad I subscribed.
Ya the advertising reminds me of poor translation on many, many other Chinese products, not like you could fit a sub in the box lol but bro, for the price. That's not a bad little amp. I don't remember seeing the legs of the mosfets wrapped in other amps especially in that price range. Def an interesting specimen brotha, thanks for sharing
I thought the same although I didn’t mention it in the video! That seems like a higher end feature!
After seeing the first case of poor translation I tried to catch the next one before Big D pointed it out. Sort of a game. But right when he pointed out that both input & output we're labeled "input" I noticed that under them out was out but input was labeled "front". One would assume the only input could just be called "input". Google translator helped expose another fake 🤥
You know, back in my day , that Amp would have been priced at a 1000.00 dollars because you were paying a dollar per watt!!
Lololol I was just thinking man this is 2 cheap lol my 1st amp 350w peak @2ohm lol i paid 380 used new it was almost 700
Another awesome find! Love the videos man, always an awesome job 👍
Thanks for watching and commenting!
They just rebranded to Notherss. The N4, 2-4 channel amp is still for sale on amazon.
The work done inside the amp looks clean.
Agreed!
It’s been over a year and I still have this amp running in my 4Runner on a Single 8” Hifonics Sub. Freaking slaps…and I’m not sure why 😂
I love these budget amp reviews but I wish there was a way to review their reliability/longevity. Easier said than done I know.
That would be cool. I like when car reviewers do this since many they review for short periods so good buy what about a year later?
@IamMike86 lolol
You could without speakers just use load resistors
Easy, buy one & go full tilt on it...It's affordable enough to do so!
Stuff like this is insane. Proves audio of decent quality doesn't have to be expensive. Would it work for years? Who knows? At below $70 the gamble seems well worth it. But, alas, it ain't available and for a what is likely the reason you postulated. Why didn't it just get a rebrand is the real mystery?
This amp is now back on Amazon for $70 as "Notherss Audio Systems N1"
Yeah still playing games!
For the money It's pretty good, the key would be to buy a few of them, run them @8ohm to get the efficiency up higher and run them well under their rated output to get the distortion down. No specs on the slew rate or signal to noise ratio.
I have a Sound Craftsman PM860 Professional Mosfet amp. [120V] It's zero ohm stable which means you can short the speaker wires and power it on without harming it.
The certificate of performance states Channel A 286W/Channel B 287W @8ohm, Channel A 401/Channel B 402W @4ohm all at .05%THD [Probably get close to 450W per channel @2ohm] With a Slew rate of 50V per microsecond. [It's really fast] I've paired it up with 4 EV Force 10 and 2 EV Force 12 musical instrument full range loudspeakers with 10lb magnets, 105Db SPL [1W@1Meter] 150W continuous. They accurately reproduce flat thought the audio waveform spectrum. [This means no matter what frequency you drive them at, they reproduce with the same intensity of sound pressure equally.] 10" 75Hz - 7000Hz/ 12" 65Hz - 7000Hz Oh yea, when you power it on, you hear a little pop, the speaker does a little flex in and out a couple of times and then... Silence and it stays silent using a Makie mixer at zero volume input. With this baby and the EV's, you close your eyes and swear the band is in front of you with accurate reproduction.
It’s still on Amazon but under the “Crunch “ name for same price.
I wish I could luck onto something like this. Being on a fixed income sucks when you love having a decent sound system. Need a new amp but everything I look at is just outside my price range
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I still have 2 Diamond Audio amps, love them. Each is 2 channel.
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@@wal Thank You Dereck, and I sent a message to your IG .
Dude a 1k amp for under a hundred bucks. Hat does rated power. That's impressive. Probably not the cleanest power but I bet for a budget banger it would sound good. Keep the vids coming.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
I just tried your link it worked for me it's $74 now though...
I ordered another too, we'll see if it's branded Datasat or not. I also ordered the 4ch
Very awesome job on testing of the amp Big D. That really surprised me on those results.
Big D! I just ordered one of these off of Amazon for $70!
Same here! Under the name "Notherss".....
Love your art, your show, your work, your info, your humor….you be dizen my shizel!
So should I get this will it blow on me in a week, Considering not over working it ?
This is a Budget Gem, I wish Amazon hadn't gotten rid of it.
Maybe it will be back?
@@wal I hope so, I would love to pick one or three up if they stay around that price. 🤣
I like how the output transistors aren’t even screwed to the heatsink
I like the old "California Profile" Amps.. Cheaper circuits than a PPI, but same breadboard design..
I just looked and the 4 channel one is still available tonight. Somehow I missed this when it came out, just now watching
I have found the n4 but no luck on the n1 I'd be willing to give this go. Been years being out-of car audio butnlack of thump in my truck I'm putting one together
They are available again in amazon. $83 this time around and they say it takes 1-2 months to ship.
Must be on the slow boat
Thanks for nearly breaking my eardrums for the woofer test using earbuds.
I expected a budget bust but instead it's the new Dual/Jensen/GenericName. Hope it makes it's way back under a new name. Go Amiraca!
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You need to run them for 1 hour to check out the thermal properties.
Maybe it would overheat and burn out?
Bid D! Is there by chance you could Dyno the PRV amps. I heard from a few buddies that they’re putting out a good line of amps. Appreciate all you do brother!
Bought 2 one for daughter and one just because. Hooked up daughters at 1 ohm and after 3 minutes or so higher volume blew fuse twice so switched out with the just because one i had and it did the same so doesn't look like it like 1ohm. Sounded good while it played.
Haha. Noticed you upped the fuses to 40s. Was curious how it would produce the proper wattage if it doesn't have enough amps coming in. Nice review. Just goes to show you don't always get what you pay for. In this rare case you got way more.bang for your buck. Thanks for the info
I have no idea what you're talking about. Neither does my teddy bear.
This amp has 4ohms impedance, Grade a magnet, Rubber surround, pulp cone, 2inch voice coil.
Great features for an amp that was minde in China.
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Apart from being able to produce voltages and currents, does it amplify music..?
Using the name "DataSat" is the first red flag.
Digging the background music while running the amp in the dyno! Reminds me of Mass Effect.
Picked two of these up for $70 each about a month ago. So far so good. Swapped out the Punch 550.2 I was running for one of these and honestly can't tell much difference in SQ or total output.
On Amazon?
@@stinky817 yes
@@stinky817 Sorry for the late reply.... Yes on Amazon.
Still running this thing and have no complaints for the $
@@jeffreybradley3736 I did a pretty heavy search and couldn't find any. Ugh
Just curious if the 30A fuses got swapped before the dyno run. I saw there were 40s in there for the reveal.
Would it push two L7 12's with the blue stitching hard?
Wow life is full of coincidences I just seen on Kijiji yesterday somebody is selling these brand of amps for 600 bucks each. Weird ,
Great videos man
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Did you change the 30 amp fuses to 40 amp ? Was there a wattage difference with the bigger fuses ?
Watch until the end and you’ll see
I’ve been watching your amp dyno videos and absolutely love them! I was gonna suggest to dyno a nemesis audio amp! They’re are pretty popular here in West Texas, thank you
Thanks for the suggestion
I do hope you wore hearing projection. All I could think about was what the air pressure was doing to ear drums.
Perfect sunday morning video
Thanks for watching and commenting!
What frequency di you test at?
Being a sub amp I hope it was at least as low as 40Hz.
Those are real NichiKhan filter caps. 😮😁 That's what got you over a thousand WATTS!! Hope you smiled. ☺
I thought they were ChaKahn caps! 🤣
Have you done a clamp test on a Power Acoustik Razor RZ5-2500D?
I picked up one for $79 total 2 days ago. Tried to get 2, but there was only 1 left.
How is that the FLUKE is showing 80Amps current but the amp has 60Amps (2 x 30Amps) in the fuses and they don't blow?
Very Good Monday Morning Big D
Pwr Fets 44 & out Fets can do greater
Red Ampiliers Mono Block broads always have been issues with Parts n Blown Tracks pads!
Last Question about this Type of Ampilier $63 is great deals
What made Amazon To Banned thiz Products?
Have A Super Cool Monday Morning Big D
Monday? Are you in Australia?
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Asian well could say close to Aussie.
Good Morning Big D.
Do you have a preference for email ✉️ address to chat
Have a Interesting question to asks you
Have a wonderful Friday Morning ( USA )
IRFZ44N - the cheapest best value TO-220 MOSFETs on the market. These are everywhere!
I have a handful downstairs.
I am interested to know why u switched out the fuses from dual 30a to dual 40a? Did you use the 40a to run the Dyno?
Watch until the end
"Higher percentage means more effecient, but not necessarily MORE BETTER."
😂HaHa. I just got a kick out of that, and I mean that as a lighthearted jab not seriously trying to be a jerk.
I thoroughly enjoyed this video, and you did a fantastic job explaining everything and breaking down the information for just about anyone to easily understand. This was my first experience with your channel, so I look forward to checking out more of your content.
Thanks for the video!
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Haven’t read all the comments, so if someone already mentioned it, I apologize…
But Datasat is the name of a high end AV Pre/Pro manufacturer. Pretty sure they don’t make car audio “Made by America” and pretty sure they didn’t approve their logo for use on this amp (probably why it was banned on Amazon)
Edit: Guess I shoulda watched the whole video before commenting. 🤦♂️🤷♂️😂
You owned it! And called it like a boss 👍
About half way through what is another great video Big D, and I'm thinking this thing is amazing for a sub $100 amp. Now I will get back to the last half of the video and see what happens..
Sorry it’s so long but I had a lot to cover here 😬
I have a few real diamond audio amps. A d5600.1, d5600.2 and d5600.4 and a d61000.1 I'd love to get put up to your dyno curious how I could get this done
It was also "MINDE IN CHINA" so says the box at 0:48. The amp actually did 450 dynamic 4 ohms, it jumped at the end. While China is extremely lax on intellectual property rights violations, they are much less forgiving when it comes to using the exact same name of another company. My guess is you will see this amp resurface with a different name.
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Interesting. I wish I had one of these when I was in high school. I would run stereo 25w on a 12 inch cerwin vega back in the day and I thought that was cool.
Hey its back on Amazon! 74$ though, the listing says all ratings are either MAX (top description) or RMS (bottom product description category) no voltage shown but i would expect it to be 14.4v.
I added the info a few days ago to the video description and pinned comment ✌️
Those subs are surprising slapping
Slappin and Flappin