This was NOT meant to happen! Blown engines & broken radiators ft Clio RS 172, Civic Type R & Celica
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- Опубликовано: 16 июл 2024
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Welcome to our footage from a track day in February 2020 at Donington Park where we took along the Renaultsport Clio 172, StringTheoryGarage's Toyota Celica T-Sport VVTLi and a friend's Honda Civic Type-R EP3.
It turned out to be one of those days where nothing quite went to plan, but it certainly made it eventful and we had some great laughs. Unfortunately not all of the cars were able to drive home under their own power at the end of the day, as the footage shows...
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Car specs:
Celica T-Sport VVTL-I 190
Exhaust - Remus and decat
Engine - Se7en Motorsport cams, K&N filter
Suspension - BC Coilovers, geo setup with some toe out at rear
Brakes - Project Mu pads, Avensis master cylinder, uprated fluid
Tyres - AD08R 225/40/18
Exterior - Professionally fitted motorsport splitter (definitely not some wood screwed to the bumper)
Clio RS 172
Intake - Ramair induction kit
Exhaust - decat, custom stainless catback
Front suspension - BC DS coilovers with 3.5 degrees negative camber (adjustable top mounts, camber bolts)
Rear suspension - BC DS 'coilovers', rear axle shim plates (camber and toe adjustments)
Front Brakes - Ferodo DS3000 pads, Brembo HC plain disks, braided brake lines
Rear Brakes - Pagid pro race pads, Brembo HC plain disks, braided brake lines
Tyres - Dunlop Direzza dz03g 195/50/15 (absolutely dead)
Interior - rear cage, perspex front windows, fully stripped
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The UK definitely looks like a nice place to live in as a car guy. Cheap cars & quality tracks everywhere :) great vid !
@@blackmafia6031 Indeed some roads don't look that good but in my opinion the amount of tracks compensate
@@blackmafia6031 yes and we have a selection cars at a price to suit all budgets can't complain on that front
Really cheap cars. In 09/2018 I bought a 2004 civic type-r for 17,500 Euros, with 125K kilometers. Even a Mazda mx5 or a civic B16 costs around 5500€
Try paying 2,600gbp to insure a 1.2 75bhp car with a blackbox device that tracks speed and driving habbits, not so good for young drivers.
Ya se we no mames un Pinche carro de 100,000 kms está impecable y acá en mexico uno con 100,000 ya está pal desguace
'Oh no, how do i go home?' - I had the same question last year after melting a piston on the Nordschleife 🤣
Quality video as always lads!
and what did you do ? couple of years ago i bent one of my front disc brakes that ended with a transmision broken on the ring in my 855R , worst travel back of my life
@@pelayorico Got a mate to drag me as far away as possible, then limped it onto a motorway before pulling in to a service station where i got my breakdown company to come and pick it up. Took several months arguing but eventually the car returned home. One of the worst experiences of my life haha.
With the 2zz out you might as well get the billet oil pump as it's another weak point, the OEM one is made of sintered alloy and basically explodes on a money shift or sustained high rpm's. A Moroso oil pan with scrapers and an extended oil pick up is also a must when tracking on sticky tyres and pulling over 1G. Do it once do it right 😁👍
Just what I needed in this crazy Covid-19 quarantine. Thanks guys and stay healthy!
This is what these cars are best for, you guys help shine a light on 2 very under rated cars that people gloss over and think are shite. The Renault I can’t say for but the Celica me and my mates went in one all 4 of us crammed in there and me bashing my head off the rear window lol but hell that thing wasn’t what I was expecting for a non turbo 1.8 it pulled like fuck with 3 adults and 1 fatty I’m looking at getting a Corolla t sport next instead of an ae86 much cheaper and heaps of fun 😂😂😂
Weather half ok, half shit, some jokes on broken engine and car that doesn't want to steer. Classic british day :D
All vvti and vvtli require baffled sump unfortunately I found out the hard way with a 3zz. Don't listen to all the crap though 2zz are a great wee engines, proof the celica sits with a stripped ep3!
One could almost be baffled by the Celica.
I'll leave...
The video edit is amazing, top notch content guys :)
Cheers from Portugal
I've blow up 2 Corolla t sports from the same reason 👍 pure class
Brilliant fun and kudos for the editing, fantastic editing!
Love the videos keep them up, stay safe aswell boys 👍
Superb driving very good content keep up !
Love your guys videos!
Another great video 👌
amazing video 👌
Awesome!!!! 😍😍
Amazing driver!!!!
youtube recommend me this on my feed...just what i need now.
My two favorite crazy British guys are back yesssssssss!!!! 💪💪
my mr2 with a 2ZZ swap lasted about 20 miles before it died from oil surge and that had a baffled sump lol
Well...
That's. ..
BAFFLING!
I'll see myself out
You need to upgrade the oil pump. It's the main component that causes oil related engine failures on this engine. I believe there is an aftermarket performance oil pump made for the Lotus cars that have the same engine, it fixes the reliability problem.
Edit: Check out this information. It has everything you need to know: www.monkeywrenchracing.com/tech-2zz-race-track-prep/
Cracking video, I was hoping to be at blyton last weekend but I cancelled with everything going on
Thanks, and that's a shame. There will be many more opportunities and Blyton is huge fun!
French engineering! Clio stays strong while the others are breaking down 💪
That clio was modified to be reliable on track, also stock renaults are shit on relability.
@@ciobircaalexandru-lucian5885 i call bullshit cause 80% of the hot hatches on the nurburging are renault ,youre just a no knowledge hater. the megane 3 rs (wich is mostly used on nur) are mostly chipped to 300+hp without interna modifications and are still relaible. that your honda uses more oil than petrol is not the fault of the renault.
@@ThaDutchDK1989 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣 burned him
Alexandru Lucian quiet false accusation, that Clio 2 RS even stock is one of the most reliable hot hatch with 205 306 GTI, or even Clio 1
@@ThaDutchDK1989 I like Renaults too, and I do not want to say that are shit cars, just need a bit of prep to be a reliable track car. But you just raged and cried that someone said renault is shit🤦🏻♂️ Also my Honda cuts the grass and burn 1l of oil every 3500 km of track abuse. But how to know if you never been on a track, and talk only from youtube videos.Wake up and experience some track driving and comment back then, not just from youtube videos. Also hate posts are not good here, these guys are having fun and they drive to the limit, so respect. I'm not a honda nut, I just wanted a good reliable and easy car for first track car.
Watching both of you race with these cars makes me feel that my 1.9D 1997 306 Graffic is a lot faster than It really is
Ossum lads!
Why is the first corner at Donington so slippy?! I drove there in January on semi slicks, the rest of the track was ok but that first corner was lethal!
I’d probably have killed myself if I was that car with that wheel and gear knob combo 😂
Ahh the notorious 2zz, They love to spin a bearing
Yeah ik. If only they came with the baffled sump. Life would be easier. They are great motors when they are baffled. Mines got 260,000 and I beat the shit out of it
Lol How do you spend money on a 2ZZ and forget the Moroso pan? XD
In all fairness, it's great to see another tracked Celica
Hi guys, I always like your videos, how about a new one explaining how you prep the Clio? I'm interested in a RS 182 so it will come pretty handy, cheers
Thanks, good idea, we'll think about it in the future. For now, check out the Clio specs in the video description.
CaC boys: yeah we killed it nbd, carry on
Poor celica, class video :P
Put 0.5L oil above full mark helps. But you have to a decent catch tank setup.
god I love these videos :))
When I bought my ep3, I made a big overhaul. Trackday cars need alot of maintenance. Removed air con. Replaced radiator. Instaled oil cooler. Gearbox oil, engine oil, new spark plugs, bafled sump, checked valve lash, replaced a couple pulleys
Sounds like the best thing to do! This EP3 has been very well prepared but unfortunately it looked like a small stone hit the radiator causing it to leak.
Amazing absolutely brill very British about, cars dead... but how do i get home oh well very baffling
Keep the videos going cheers guys
FYI MR2 MK3 has a baffled sump as standard
8:28 thats what you get if you dont take a french hot hatch ;) the clio 172 lives on, best car ive ever had.
Videos are fucking awesome mate and both drivers!! Subscribed
Thanks for the kind words!
No worries, do you attend Castle Combe ? Would be great to see you at summer action festival if it’s still on!
@@HAppyD4yz123 the Clio was at Forge action day last year but we will see what 2020 brings!
Yet again another very entertaining video guys 😂😂👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻 well done hopefully not to long of a wait until the next one
love the ep3 plate lol sub 8 btg XD!
Miss your guys vids
Can't the Celica 140 sump (baffled) be put straight onto the 2zz?
Where is clio 197?
Great video and driving as always!!!
The Clio 197 was sold last year after its engine failed. The 172 is its replacement.
6:43
Others: bro, can u even drift a fwd car?
Driver: hold my beer
where is p306 gti!???
Having a cage fitted, will be back out later in the year!
@@CamberandCombustion Wise decision...
How Did you manage to put the Avensis brake master cylinder? Any mods had to be done?
Hey guys, brand new to your channel. Your Black-Flagged at Blyton Park popped up in my feed and I just came from that. Liked and subbed. Can you explain why you need a baffled sump and how that would have prevented, you know, your engine from blowing up? I'm guessing that this is only needed if you're going to be driving on a track because, when in high speed corners, the oil would slosh to one side of a regular sump and not be able to flow through the engine. Is that correct? For non-hooligan road use, is a baffled sump necessary?
I'm newly the owner of a 2001 Celica GTS (US Spec) with the 2ZZ engine. Long story short I suddenly needed a car last month when my wife needed my car for her own commute (switched to driving from train), and I lucked out as my Dad had been looking to sell his high miles GTS for months with no luck. I grew up driving manuals but haven't driven a manual for near on 15 years and now I have this lovely lovely sports car. The engine is an absolute riot and I'm pinching myself that I got this car for next to nothing. My dad's a mechanical genius - for example he rebuilt the transmission on it 2 years ago - and the car's in awesome shape, but she's got 275,000 miles on her, and I need to know what to watch out for so I get as much life out of this gem of a car as possible. I have no intention to track the car (famous last words)...
No no Ben! Bad Ben!
The best entertainment during Rona Virus lol
Right on this modded fast cars limits, impressive 👍 time for a new car soon? Or is this the best option for affordeble and Still fast racing?
The Celica will be back!
The main issue with the 2ZZ is the fact that has a habit of remaining in the head under high rpm conditions which is why some of you guys might have had problems even with a Moroso sump. Could be worth looking into having an external head oil drain fitted.
coolant goes into your engine, where does the egg end up, and how will you ever get it all out?
The egg trick is only a temp fix, before you replace the radiator you just flush the coolant passages in the block and heater, that’ll get the egg residue out.
Eggidue
Where is GTI6, my eyes are looking for it.
What Rims on the celica??? Love them
Bola B1R
Another unbaffled 2zz bites the dust. Sliding sideways in lift doesn't help haha
É O MURTA GRINGO !!!!!!!
PARECE MUITO COM O MURTA DO CANAL ALTA RPM KKKKKKKK
MUITO DOIDO KKKKKKKK
Gti-6 engine and gearbox there if needed 🤣🤣
Donington bit me Dec last year 😱 blew my engine in mk1 Focus RS ££££
A couple of high G-force / long corners seems to make it quite a test for engines.
Camber and Combustion that’s it mate and a lack on an uprated oil cooler 🥴
Only an idiot would run a 2zz with sticky tyres, driving it like that, with no baffled sump 🤦♂️
Ben = idiot
Hi 👋
Hi idiot😂
What happened to 306 ?
306 is getting a cage fitted and will be back out later in the year!
@@CamberandCombustion sick :)
What camera do you use in the clio and where do you mount it?
GoPro Hero 8 black, mounted on a clamp attached to the driver's seat but it was a little low so will be higher next time.
Camber and Combustion sick mate thanks, attached to the headrest sticks?
what sump you going for ? a moroso one, an exige one or make your own? :)
Moroso sump!
@@CamberandCombustion you get any surge in the clio?
@@ribbo1 Not that we're aware of...
Moroso won't necessarily save it. We just blew one up with one fitted 😭 it either needs dry sump or oil above the max line at all times
greig western Well it did a few days with stock sump and oil brimmed just past the line, this time I didn’t stress it and oil was just brushing the max line, maybe 1mm below and kaboom. Also bear in mind this was a 165k mile engine. Hopefully moroso sump plus keeping the oil level above max will keep it alive.
First yesss, and hello crazy british guys
How did you find eggs on a track day 🤣🤣🤣🤣🐔🐔🐔🐣🐤🐥🐥🐣🐣🐥🐥
The stereotypically rubbish track canteen is good for one thing...
I saw Citroen C1 "one red and one white" on the circuit ??
Club1000 :)
What are your guys daily cars?
Alex has a boring Polo bluemotion for all the MPG. Ben was using the Celica...
Is a car still street legal after you put a racing steering weel on it?
Yes it is
You guys running standard breaks?
Celica - Project Mu pads, bigger master cylinder, uprated fluid. Clio - DS11.1 pads front, PBS prorace rear, braided lines, uprated fluid, cooling ducts to fronts, no ABS.
Love your videos!
Hilarious fwd oversteer, clearly having loads of fun and you have the skills as well :)
Please could you tell me which brake master cylinder you fitted? I recently bought a ZZT231 and want to do this upgrade! Thank you :)
Hi there guys! I am saving money for a hot hatch, and I was considering a 172/182 Clio, I absolutely crave one, but I have begun to wonder if a Civic Type R is a better choice overall.. Since you've had a go with both, which one is more of a driver's car and more fun of the two?
P.s Love your vids! You got some skills! Cheers!
Thanks for the comment! The Clios have a more playful chassis so can be made to move around more easily, but the Civic is more competent and has an incredible engine!
@@CamberandCombustion Tough one! But in the end I think i 'll go for driving drama over sheer results, and I like more the looks of the little baguette! ! Thanks for the reply, stay awesome!
@@CamberandCombustion A Honda engine in a French chassis is definitely the way forward.
I agree I think the EP3 is a better car. I've a 182... they're temperamental and difficult to work on however when you shut the door and start the engine you've got £3K-£5K left over in your pocket from not buying the Honda.
@@GeVoly take the clio ,best car i ever had. playfull ,easy to predict (in the dry) , relaible , sleeper and i really like the looks .everytime i see photo'''s of a clio 172/182 i think of mine.
My 2zzge died too, in a corolla lol
Why, what happened? Just got a high milage Celica GTS (2ZZ-GE) and would like to learn how to keep it from meeting a terrible fate...
@@brianmessemer2973 I was exiting a motorway slip road in the UK, long sweeping letter hand turn, at about 50mph, when it straightened up it started knocking quietly and then got worse over the next few minutes.
I believe I started the engine of oil. I cannot confirm the oil level before though, it was ok
@@anthonybelton-ford3124 Wow, not good 😢 Having watched this video I'm thinking about going with a baffled sump on my car. Did you rebuild the 2ZZ or do an engine swap after that?
@@brianmessemer2973 I'd recommend the moroso sump, or at least the 1zz sump.
I didnt rebuild it, I wouldn't know where to start! I paid a company called se7en motorsports to supply and fit an engine. Think it cost me £1200 roughly. It happened 1 month after buying the car too!
Good luck
@@anthonybelton-ford3124 Thank you for the advice sir. Best regards.
wat the citroen C1 in trackday 0:21
Yes, there is a popular Citreon C1 endurance racing championship so it is quite common to see them on track days.
It's what happens when you thrash cars long enough. Oh well, engines are cheap.
Where’s Matt?
Matt and the 306 will be back out later in the year!
turns out she hates 9000 rpm
So what I've learned here is a track day is an expensive way to ruin your car.
Surely it would be much cheaper to leave it in a dodgy area go watch a film and return to the same result haha
2zz in a nutshell
this video is v.m. 18, that radiator is squirting
I don't get the thing with the eggs
An old trick to help stop small leaks in the radiator that we'd thought we'd try, and it worked!
Wow, those cars handle pretty bad, corner entry oversteer followed by corner exit understeer ... nice driving, but horrible car setup/balance. Tires maybe bad, but that's not the problem, car balance is ... I know front wheel drive on some of those cars, but the Celica is rear ... still ... oiling isn't the problem, if that's the 2ZZ motor then valves and the roller rockers are very weak links (also need to drill out oil vain in the valve train) ... you just aren't pulling enough sustained G's for oiling problems at the sump level. But with that said, a higher capacity baffle oil pan is always a good thing provide the baffles are done correctly.
HI Robin, thanks for the comment! All these cars are front wheel drive. The tyres on the Clio really were dead and that makes a huge difference to the way it drives. Fresh rubber next time out!
Celica rwd? When?
A friend of mine melted his mr2 (2zz swap) with shitty 2004 tires. It is a common problem
By the way hearing that those cars handle bad is the biggest bullshit I heard this year...
Drive a saxo/106, clio RS from MK1 to 3, Mégane rs (almost any french pocket rocket) or any fookin civic and you will take your words back. Playful chassis is not bad handling
@@CamberandCombustion Oh that's right, Celica is FWD ... sorry I'm used to having the 2ZZ classified as "mid engine" in my Lotus. Agree, fresh rubber is always better but it shouldn't make a difference to car balance (assuming 4 tires are of equal usage duration). I have A LOT of experience with the 2ZZ when racing my Lotus, it's a very fragile motor.
eggs in radiator??
It was a cracking idea...
hah nice
so, if i follow the video.... cheap fun indestructible track daily... buy a clio 172 :). Good, i have two but let s be honest, i did already blow out an engine once :)
Why would you track a 2zz engine without a baffled sump!!!?? Asking the engine to blow up. Its the most common thing you change when you buy a T sport
2 eggs really??
Yeah, turned out to be an eggcellent idea...
Oh yeah, "ricer" and sporty looks car without manufacturing preinstalled buffled sump. Well done Toyota, that's right way to make "sport" coupe.
The mk2 celica isn't reliable anyway... The yamaha designed engin was a mess
That is the worst engine ever made by toyota.