VERSION 11.01.01 RELEASED TODAY (AUGUST 19TH, 2024) AND FIXED BOTH OF MY ISSUES POINTED OUT IN THE VIDEO! Huge Thank You to @atomos customer support for rocking an update out so quickly for us. You can find the new updated video on my channel.
The 2nd issue about the camera stopping recording when in the camera control should have been the 1st problem. That’s a red flag for people like me shooting weddings. An update should be released soon for this
@@RossBarnett02 I have an unrelated question, that I think you may have good advice for, I’m currently looking to buy the Tamaron 35-150 f2-2.8, I’m pretty set on buying it but I’ve been on a continuous debate with my self on buying it grey market or directly from seller with the 6 year warranty, I can’t decide wether paying the extra 450$ is worth it or not.
Thanks for the review dude. Covered everything I needed so I just ordered one. Wanted a one where the image looks amazing on and this one seems to be the one!
I found your channel kind of recently and it is one of my FAVORITES. Thank you so much for your content and I have already viewed a lot of your videos because they are always helpful and awesome
The USB C feature is what I love most about it! Being able to power it through USB C, or using it for camera control AND PD to camera!! Man they nailed it by making it so versatile! And that’s awesome to hear about a possible touch to focus feature! That would have been the only thing I could complain about it.
@@DangAlvinFilms I think my take on RUclips comes from not having that much time to spend on editing, but also wanting to get the info down and correct. So it’s more simple and conversation based rather than “cinematic editing”. Glad you’re enjoying the simple style I’m able to put together!
Get mine today!! Excited for what it offers and what’s to come! A bit nervous about that issue you talked about earlier but I don’t doubt they’ll fix it via firmware updates as well
Heck yeah! It's a fantastic monitor and I'm glad my review could help with your decision! I have been personally told by Atomos' marketing team that they are working on both of the issues listed in this video. So, that's good news. The question now is how long will it take them to release an update..
@@RossBarnett02so I just got mine and it’s having some issues with my Canon R5C. Im only able to change the aperture once I hit f5.6 or higher ISO, Shutter Speed and Color temperature isn’t working at all. Also the camera status information is showing completely wrong information showing codecs that don’t even exist with my camera. In the camera control menu I can see it shows the canon R5C accurately but no dice. I even tried updating the firmware on the monitor and didn’t help. Oh and for some reason the PD only works with the camera off. It’s not charging it while I’m using the camera 🥲. I need to test it with a npf battery as I have a battery delete to dc power. Really hope Atomos fixes all these issues.
@@gusthecanonrebel oh no! Here’s the best info I can offer: do a software update. Then, I’d contact Atomos support through their website - they’ll want a video walking through your issues, so I would go ahead and take a video showing your issues. I wish I knew canon systems a little better to be able to help.. Sorry man!
Atomos working already working on touch to focus that's nice. If they fix the record problem then i will pull the trigger. I really wish they will make the camera controls more "easy" when it comes to UI. Really like the UI of Portkeys when it comes to camera control (talking about their new ui update). Thanks for the video. You are the one that says all the details.
Appreciate that! I don't mind Atomos' UI when it comes to camera control - but the slider on Portkeys version is easier to give drastic changes to. I find myself typically with hands on the camera adjusting settings rather than on the monitor though. Mainly just looking at the monitor for the values rather than for changing the settings.
Thanks for the video, I bought one after listening to you. One down thing I realised (appart from touch focus I really hope they will add it) is that when you hide the infos from the camera, it also hide the red recording square. And there is also no way to change the opacity from the info overlays. It may be changed in a future update? I hope so Appart from that, really happy bying it. 🎉 Thanks!
Its INCOMPATIBLE with any Canon camera that is preceded by "C" so presumably it works with the mirrorless R series, but i havent seen anything about that !
Appreciate the video highly you definitely sold me on the monitor when I was 75% sure 😂. Just 2 main things When you say I need to add a MPF adapter to get DC power is this something seperate I need to purchase as well and is it a necessity? Also I heard about camera to monitor delay being a thing is that also true on this monitor?
@@ShotbyCD not a necessity. Just, if you want to power the monitor with a V-mount battery or wall outlet - you’ll need to purchase an adapter. However, if you just want to use it with standard NP L Series batteries they work just fine as is. There is no noticeable delay with this monitor.
@@domesdayfilms3165 Absolutely! An affiliate link is in the description of the video. If you purchase through that link, I’ll make a couple bucks. Appreciate it!
I think one downside is that they still don’t include custom buttons to quickly turn on and off settings like false color, zebras, LUTs etc. takes way to much steps to do it with the touch screen.
@@nicolas.elsaesser fair point - I typically just leave on my waveforms and run it like that. But those function buttons on my portkeys monitors are very very useful.
Which smallrig attachment are you using on the bottom of your camera in combination with the V-mount plate? Since there doesn't seem to be any rods. I like this minimal, clean setup you have!
I have been personally told by Atomos' marketing team that they are working on both of the issues listed in this video. So, that's good news. How long will it take them to release an update? Unclear.
If only the camera controls would work on the blackmagic cameras 😢 I ended up getting the portkeys7p, but hopefully atomos will make this work with more systems soon
I know Fuji was left out of the lineup simply because Fuji doesn't allow camera control from anyone. Wonder why blackmagic was left out? Doesn't seem very blackmagic of them to limit Atomos from camera control?
Did I understand correctly that if you want to use any monitoring feature like peaking, zebras etc you have to quit the control mode? So you cannot have for example peaking and start/stop record at the same time? Thanks for the great review!
At the moment, you'll need to turn on peaking (or zebras or waveforms etc.) THEN go into camera control mode and continue as normal. But if you want to make any adjustments while recording (say toggle on/off focus peaking or zoom in while recording) you cannot. When switching to the monitor controls, it'll just stop recording on your camera when switching over.. So, yes. You unfortunately heard that right. I've spoken to several people at Atomos since this video launched that said they were working on this bug. But unclear how long that will take to release.
@@RossBarnett02 The issues mentioned are significant and should be imo absolute dealbreakers for anyone who films professionally. Has anything changed since your first impressions on this monitor besides Atomos just giving updates that they are working on it? ruclips.net/video/qXKyVCdlZX4/видео.htmlsi=v5oA2z9mai785ARG&t=550
@@KashifRobinson-f2n Tilta makes it! It’s great at keeping your rig low profile with the monitor mount off the front. If you buy it from the link in the description I think I’ll make $2. Appreciate your contribution 😉
Great video. Do you know if camera control works with Sony a7siii older firmware ? I don’t want to update as I’ve heard horror stories but don’t know if the CC work with shinobi 2 and old Sony firmware ?
@@nickfaulkner123 it should, I don’t believe anything changed with the firmware update on camera control. But, unfortunately all of my A7S cameras are updated to 3.01 - so I can’t test it for you.
@@RossBarnett02 thanks man. The only options I have under usb connection is auto , mass storage or MTP ? Can’t get any option for remote shooting. In like old firmware 2.11 😂
Thanks for this review.. To clarify, does it mean that you can connect a V-lock battery to the monitor then chain it to the camera via USB and the V-lock battery will power the camera through the monitor (acting as a bridge)?
@@Superjeanmarc yep! That’s exactly how I run my setup on a Smallrig V99 battery. Very convenient just having one power cable from the battery to the monitor. 🤙🏼
@@RossBarnett02 Thanks, that being said, having the recording stopping when changing a function of the monitor... is ridiculous and a no-go me... But thanks again
@@Superjeanmarc the recording bug will hopefully be fixed soon (according to my conversations with Atomos). I use a NP dummy battery to get DC power to the Shinobi, BUT if you’re looking for DC port + camera control check out the portkeys LH7P. Fantastic monitor, with minor issues.
@@RossBarnett02 When you say "I use a NP dummy battery to get DC power to the Shinobi" do you mean the 20 euros Battery Eliminator? That requires a non included D-Tap to DC locked connector barrel coiled cable (60 euros!) is that correct? Overall expensive and bulky accessories without the option to connect to the V-Lock battery using DC plug?
@@oppongk any monitor mount will work. The one I have here in this video actually came with another monitor.. but, depending on what your top handle is fitted with (hot shoe or rails) you just need a monitor mount to fit your handle.
I misspoke - it's a 1080p monitor that accepts up to a 4k/30 signal. However, with a PPI of 423 it's definitely a lot higher of a pixel density than I'm used to seeing from my portkeys (LH5PII & LH7P) monitors.
@@RossBarnett02 okey, but how it is better? Also there is a bit more expensive BM II DS series, which is brighter, has af control for sony, and wireless control for few cameras.
@@filmowaniezprofitem personally I would say the Shinobi II is better because of the image quality, responsiveness to touch controls, responsiveness to camera inputs (how fast the correct values show on the monitor when changing values). Now, I’ll say if you need wireless camera control (say for a directors monitor when working with a car rig). If you need a loop HDMI out, or if you need touch to focus, then the Lh5PII is a better buy. For the way I use this setup though, the Shinobi II is a winner.
@@Marvnz Nope, USB-C is what delivers the camera control. HDMI only delivers the image. You can use the monitor without the USB just fine, but you won’t have the camera control features.
I unfortunately don't own the Ninja V or the Shinobi 7" but I haven't noticed or read anything about higher latency with this monitor. If there is any latency, it definitely isn't noticeable when filming.
@@RossBarnett02 Figured it out, sorry! What it is is that if you only select 4k internally that is all it will display. When you select 4k it basically has warping. In 1080 it goes back to having no latency!
@@beretta0222 might have misspoke on that one. Resolution is 1080, but it accepts up to a 4k/30 input. Either way, the quality when viewing the screen is far superior to my Portkeys LH7P.
Okay this setup is not working for me. As soon as I turn my FX3 on, it asks “SELECT USB CONNECT MODE” > no matter which option I choose (MSC, MTP, PC REMOTE) > there is no clean feed to the monitor I also am not able to sync at all HDMI Info Display is also turned OFF but still no clean feed. What am I doing wrong / what setting have I not adjusted lol. Running newest versions on both Shinobi II and FX3
@@hollyxsingh weird! From what I’ve seen this monitor works great on the FX3. As far as the pop up goes, go into the menu under setup->USB->Usb connection mode and change that setting to “Remote Shooting” instead of “select when connected”. That will stop the popup every time. As far as the clean HDMI feed - what are you getting on the monitor?
Can I not charge my camera to let the battery on the monitor last longer my np-f battery drains after 30mins of shooting but my camera battery stays at 100%
@@MartgMedia Sony L Series batteries / There’s also a link in the description for the dummy battery I’m using for the monitor to run from my v-mount battery.
@@chrisbrockhurst seeing your name pop up on a RUclips comment is a crazy experience. Big fan! I agree. I’ve talked with several people at Atomos who claim they’re working on this asap. But, unsure how long that will take.
@@RossBarnett02 appreciate you 🙏🏼 but were all the same just making videos on the internet! Great video, I’ve just picked one of these up myself and interested what others think, you’re thumb/title stood out the most so nice work!
Can someone help me understand the power delivery from the monitor? How is it that the battery from the monitor powers larger batteries (V-mount) or the camera all day? I think I am misunderstanding. I'm new to using a monitor and want to make sure I understand!
@@danielgray1874 In my setup, the V-mount battery powers the monitor. Then, the USB-C from the monitor powers the camera while utilizing camera control. Draining the V-mount battery. Or, you can put a NP-L battery on the back of the monitor - and with power delivery on the monitor battery will charge the camera.
nope! This "recording stopping" issue is currently only if you switch back into Monitor controls to enable/disable things like waveforms, zoom, false color, or other controls within the monitor. Changing the ISO White Balance or exposure in any way from the camera or monitor does not stop recording.
I want to buy a new camera monitor and I think the shinobi ii fits my box. The only problem is mounting my rode videomic go and the monitor on my camera. Any suggestions on mount accessories I should look into?
@@blakegochee on my setup, I have a smallrig magic arm off the side of my camera for the mic! Works well. I’ve added a link to the description of this video.
@@VincentDoesNotCare I get this question a lot, and I never fully understand what’s being asked. So bare with me here. Short answer, no. You can shoot and monitor 4k/120 just fine, but Shinobi 2 is only a 60hz display, so the input is limited to 1080/60 or 4k/30. But, those inputs can be different from what you’re recording. So you can shoot 4k/120 while monitoring it in 1080/60 just fine.
I’ve seen this mentioned a few times, seems like they’re reserving EL zone for the more premium monitors. Thankfully I don’t use false color often enough to care.
@@RossBarnett02 understandable though since it can replace light meters during shooting day. I only use my light meter on location or technical scout and during shooting day I only use Small HD monitor (rented) with El Zone to have a consistent contrast ratio. I was hoping they'll put EL Zone on their lower end monitors so Ill just buy my own for smaller production shoots. Oh well, no choice but to go for the new Ninja.
You never mention the overheating issue and the shinobi 2 I bought one based on your review and it got so hot to the touch on the screen that I'm returning it. I think you might have made a bad decision. It got hot twenty minutes into setup.
Dang, that does stink to hear! I've been using it outdoor & indoor since August (probably have around 200 hours on the monitor now) and overheating (or being hot to touch) has never been an issue for me. If it was, I would have mentioned it in my many complaints with the monitor.
@@donaldbraten7728 hmmm - I haven’t tested it on the older generation of Sony cameras. But it should work all the same as my A7S - only thing I know off the top of my head is to change your “USB connection mode” to “Remote shooting” within the camera menu.
Did you find it a lot sharper than the old Shinobi? Found the old one quite soft, but that maybe because mine has quite a bit of LED burn in from heavy use
@@98JamesNixon I don’t have the original Shinobi anymore to compare to, but from memory it’s not any sharper - just much brighter. I’ve always thought Atomos were the sharper of the displays though (mainly compared to my Portkeys Monitors)
I love my Ninja V but what i really hate is that the features you buy for the monitor are bound to the device, not your account. This is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. If my monitor breaks, i have to buy all the features again. Why not account based, so i can get a new device and all my features are there. That really is a big minus in my opinion
@@RossBarnett02 oh boy. Yeah. I would prefer to have it bound to the account. If they fear people might sell it to others, just make it a 1 seat option. That way we can be sure to have the features, if the monitor breaks and they can be sure we don’t sell it to others
@@photosbyjames_ lol. It’s definitely torn up. This camera was dropped about a year ago and the LCD split down the middle along the case. It’s not that expensive of a repair, but I just haven’t had the time to send it off between jobs.
Hard to tell, it really depends on your specific needs. BUT - typically the Ninja series is designed for external recording (to codecs like ProRes RAW which I rarely will ever do). So unless you need external recording to SSD’s - I’d stick with the Shinobi.
@@andrewmcf96 touch to focus is not a feature. However you can see your focus by turning on focus peaking before entering camera controls on the monitor.
Hey man! quick question, do you think it's possible to power the monitor via dummy battery connected to a V MOUNT, then connect the monitor via usb to the camera, so I don't have to run another dummy battery from the v mount to the camera?
Absolutely! That's exactly how I have my setup powered. D-Tap to dummy battery on the back of the Atomos Shinobi, then USB-C from the monitor to the camera with a standard camera battery in the camera. That way you only have one power cable coming out of the V-Mount and your camera stays charged all day. If you're looking to purchase - I just set up a affiliate link in the description!
For me, HDMI out would be nice for the rare occasions I use a monitor while sending wireless to a directors monitor. But that’s so rare for what I plan to use this monitor for.
True. I misspoke on that. It is not a 4k monitor. However, the display is so much better than my comparable portkeys 1080p monitors as far as sharpness goes. I think that has a lot to do with the UI
@@NC_Studio-NikosC For accurate colors when editing I think utilizing your scopes and watching content across multiple devices is the best route. Unless you're a full blown colorist, I wouldn't stress about having perfectly color accurate monitors to edit on. Just get a good monitor and run with it.
@ thank you , but my thought is about to have one monitor for laptop so I can use it there, pc at home and studio and as monitor on camera , so I don’t need to buy seperate for each one
You'll need some way to connect it to the cage - the monitor doesn't come with a hot shoe connector or anything for mounting. Thankfully I already had several, but you'll need a monitor mount that works for your cage setup.
@@RossBarnett02 Dang already copped it before I saw this comment. The version I got actually came with a battery for it. Ill probably use your affiliate link to get the DC power adapter. Is that if I want to hook it up to my Small Rig Vmount battery?
@@daniditu I don’t think so. Granted, I don’t really touch the back of it often when on a shoot. I’ve never noticed excessive heat coming from the monitor when shooting in direct sunlight.
amzn.to/4dcRJ5p Honestly I love this thing. From the squishy handle to the angle it puts your monitor out front, to the low profile of the rig, it’s the best.
I've had no issue with Portkeys touch-to-focus. No reason to shade a great product just because you're hyped about something new, that to be accurate has yet to produce the most requested feature. Making a point to state how Portkeys followed through on a great product from inception, continuing to communicate with users and producing updates upon requests. Those watching RUclips creators post product videos need beware of how biased reviews can be considering their relationships with brands and pandering for free products and trending views.
I get it - and you've got a fair point. But I have zero relationship with Atomos or Portkeys. I don't receive free products and have bought everything on my own (LH5PII & LH7P + Shinobi II). BUT - Portkeys touch to focus is garbage. It's slow. It's delayed. And it doesn't show a box around what object you've touched. So i'll be the first to say it's hot trash (and i'll also be the first to say it's the only monitor on the market with touch to focus for mirrorless cameras). So, if you need touch to focus, get the portkeys! But, i'm not going to tell people that it's great just to pander to a brand I don't have a relationship with. I'm just a professional in the space talking about my experienced with the products.
I am also looking for a monitor that has touch to focus, instead of using my phone to do that task, and resulting in me never looking at the actual monitor but the smaller phone screen to make sure, that the focus square is where I need it to be.. And yes, the focus subject suare is essential. How else would you know if you actually are focusing on what you want. Partially it is sonys fault, they didnt have enough foresight to make a focus square only option for the HDMI out, vs the clean or fully CLUTTERED piece of crap that also crops the image.
@SilentD1 You can be confident in what you're focusing on by using your monitors' focus-peaking tool. Sony seeks to keep certain features proprietary, as to not incur on their licensing. The same practice responsible for stunting innovation across all major corporations.
@@Chrstphr03 hm thats why some random phone app like Monitor+ has the ability to show you the focus square. So not proprietary. And I do not trust focus peeking, cause I still do not know if it focuses on the right person on the screen, before its too late. Focus peeking only shows you when one person moves away from the other, and by then its too late. I really do not need anyone's advice as to how I should use my equipment. I just ask for the features, and they can chose to make them or ignore them. No one should dictate how to use them. Especially when they (you) have no idea how I work, and what I work with. Also. Camera manufacturers invented that focus square for a reason. Pretending that its not useful is absurd.
@8:00 This is my biggest problem with Atomos... their support is terrible. I've never had a good experience and always felt like I was dealing with a very low paid overseas support person. At least with SmallHD it seems like I'm talking with someone who's had hands on the product.
After the last week I completely disagree. Maybe it's because I have a youtube video that's getting traction, but i've gotten nothing but immediate responses on a lot of my questions. After this video was posted I received a further email stating that they are working on this issue!
@@RossBarnett02 Yeah, I’d say that’s because of your RUclips Channel. I’ve had 4 or 5 Atomos monitors (still have two) and multiple support cases. It always has been a waste of time for me.
@@nogoodnecktie12 I’ve never been a fan of using a phone for something dedicated on set. I’ve gotta use my phone for other things. But I agree, this is a better budget buy for sure!
@@vasilisrroshi8642 All depends on the codec you’d like to record in. For me, external recording is rarely needed these days with the amount of codecs offered in camera.
@@GizmoMaxx lol, I rewatched what I said. I see zero lies. Portkeys could fix their entire touch to focus just by showing you a box of where your tracking focus point is. Currently, as the software stands, monitor+ is by far the best controls for this. Which, is sad. The recent touch to focus update from Atomos is even more sad. If you watch all my Shinobi II videos, especially the new ones, you’ll see I’m nowhere close to an Atomos Sponsorship 😅😅 I hate them all equally. Nobody seems to know how to make a perfect camera monitor with camera control.
@@RossBarnett02 just watched your latest video on the tap to focus “update” which still buggy aka no working 😵💫 tools are tools and that’s how I see and use and I don’t 😏 idolise no brand or anybody for that matter. All the best.
VERSION 11.01.01 RELEASED TODAY (AUGUST 19TH, 2024) AND FIXED BOTH OF MY ISSUES POINTED OUT IN THE VIDEO! Huge Thank You to @atomos customer support for rocking an update out so quickly for us. You can find the new updated video on my channel.
did that fixed the issue with the recording? does it still stop recording if you go out of monitor control menu?
@@SmartVideoBE this issue was fixed with the latest firmware update. I have another video showing the updates working!
The 2nd issue about the camera stopping recording when in the camera control should have been the 1st problem. That’s a red flag for people like me shooting weddings. An update should be released soon for this
It definitely should be. I've been in contact with Atomos about the issue so hopefully it's fixed with a firmware update soon.
been following this since you got it and you have been the biggest help ever! Going to order one soon, Thanks for all the updates!
@@jajajonah1538 heck yeah! 👏🏻
@@RossBarnett02 I have an unrelated question, that I think you may have good advice for, I’m currently looking to buy the Tamaron 35-150 f2-2.8, I’m pretty set on buying it but I’ve been on a continuous debate with my self on buying it grey market or directly from seller with the 6 year warranty, I can’t decide wether paying the extra 450$ is worth it or not.
@@jajajonah1538 I’m a big fan of saving money and buying used. Just do the research and make sure it’s quality. 🤙🏼
@@jajajonah1538我持有一個35-150 F2-2.8長達兩年的經驗。
說真的，除非在一些需要快節奏單人作業的工作場合，否則你不會想要拿出如此沈重的它來工作，建議你找一些折衷的方案選擇其它鏡頭，減輕負重會是你更需要考慮的問題！
Thanks for the review dude. Covered everything I needed so I just ordered one. Wanted a one where the image looks amazing on and this one seems to be the one!
At this point I feel like the slumlord of cheap monitors, and the Shinobi II is the best image quality i've seen out of a sub $500 monitor for sure.
I found your channel kind of recently and it is one of my FAVORITES. Thank you so much for your content and I have already viewed a lot of your videos because they are always helpful and awesome
@@Michelsowers appreciate that so much!
I just got mine , happy to hear about the touch focus 🙏🏻🔥🔥
yessir!! Personally I can live without it, but I'm pumped to see they're working on it!
The USB C feature is what I love most about it! Being able to power it through USB C, or using it for camera control AND PD to camera!! Man they nailed it by making it so versatile!
And that’s awesome to hear about a possible touch to focus feature! That would have been the only thing I could complain about it.
@@mirrorlessmemory 100%! I appreciate your insight on previous videos. Excited for future firmware updates from Atomos too!
Just wanted to comment that your videos are great man, love the fresh take on RUclips!
@@DangAlvinFilms I think my take on RUclips comes from not having that much time to spend on editing, but also wanting to get the info down and correct. So it’s more simple and conversation based rather than “cinematic editing”. Glad you’re enjoying the simple style I’m able to put together!
@@RossBarnett02 It definitely makes me want to take a spin at making videos as well. Keep it up man, will definitely stay tuned on your videos.
Get mine today!! Excited for what it offers and what’s to come! A bit nervous about that issue you talked about earlier but I don’t doubt they’ll fix it via firmware updates as well
Heck yeah! It's a fantastic monitor and I'm glad my review could help with your decision! I have been personally told by Atomos' marketing team that they are working on both of the issues listed in this video. So, that's good news. The question now is how long will it take them to release an update..
@@RossBarnett02 yeah I’m sure it won’t be overnight but still excited none the less 🤘🏼 had me sold even before focus touch
@@RossBarnett02so I just got mine and it’s having some issues with my Canon R5C. Im only able to change the aperture once I hit f5.6 or higher
ISO, Shutter Speed and Color temperature isn’t working at all.
Also the camera status information is showing completely wrong information showing codecs that don’t even exist with my camera. In the camera control menu I can see it shows the canon R5C accurately but no dice. I even tried updating the firmware on the monitor and didn’t help. Oh and for some reason the PD only works with the camera off. It’s not charging it while I’m using the camera 🥲. I need to test it with a npf battery as I have a battery delete to dc power. Really hope Atomos fixes all these issues.
@@gusthecanonrebel oh no! Here’s the best info I can offer: do a software update. Then, I’d contact Atomos support through their website - they’ll want a video walking through your issues, so I would go ahead and take a video showing your issues. I wish I knew canon systems a little better to be able to help.. Sorry man!
@@RossBarnett02 all good! I’ll definitely submit to them letting them know if the issues
Thank you!
thanks for the detailed review, just picked one up for myself.
Love that! Hope you enjoy!
Atomos working already working on touch to focus that's nice. If they fix the record problem then i will pull the trigger. I really wish they will make the camera controls more "easy" when it comes to UI. Really like the UI of Portkeys when it comes to camera control (talking about their new ui update). Thanks for the video. You are the one that says all the details.
Appreciate that! I don't mind Atomos' UI when it comes to camera control - but the slider on Portkeys version is easier to give drastic changes to. I find myself typically with hands on the camera adjusting settings rather than on the monitor though. Mainly just looking at the monitor for the values rather than for changing the settings.
Thanks for the video, I bought one after listening to you.
One down thing I realised (appart from touch focus I really hope they will add it) is that when you hide the infos from the camera, it also hide the red recording square. And there is also no way to change the opacity from the info overlays. It may be changed in a future update? I hope so
Appart from that, really happy bying it. 🎉
Thanks!
@@morti851 I’ve seen that mentioned in the comments as well. Changing opacity of the overlays would be incredibly helpful!
Its INCOMPATIBLE with any Canon camera that is preceded by "C" so presumably it works with the mirrorless R series, but i havent seen anything about that !
@@gordonyoung1970 yep. C70, c80, and I’ve even heard the R5c doesn’t work properly with this monitor. ☹️
Appreciate the video highly you definitely sold me on the monitor when I was 75% sure 😂. Just 2 main things
When you say I need to add a MPF adapter to get DC power is this something seperate I need to purchase as well and is it a necessity?
Also I heard about camera to monitor delay being a thing is that also true on this monitor?
@@ShotbyCD not a necessity. Just, if you want to power the monitor with a V-mount battery or wall outlet - you’ll need to purchase an adapter. However, if you just want to use it with standard NP L Series batteries they work just fine as is.
There is no noticeable delay with this monitor.
@@RossBarnett02coming back because I legit forgot to ask but which V mount battery are you using for the rig or which would u recommend buying
@@ShotbyCD I’ve been a big fan of the Smallrig v99 recently.
Appreciate you brother. 🙏🏾
Same here 🙌🏻
Can I get a link to the NP-F Adapter you are using? Thanks. Great info by the way.
@@domesdayfilms3165 Absolutely! An affiliate link is in the description of the video. If you purchase through that link, I’ll make a couple bucks. Appreciate it!
I bought mine bc of the other video you dropped. I like mine!
Love that!
I think one downside is that they still don’t include custom buttons to quickly turn on and off settings like false color, zebras, LUTs etc. takes way to much steps to do it with the touch screen.
@@nicolas.elsaesser fair point - I typically just leave on my waveforms and run it like that. But those function buttons on my portkeys monitors are very very useful.
Which smallrig attachment are you using on the bottom of your camera in combination with the V-mount plate? Since there doesn't seem to be any rods. I like this minimal, clean setup you have!
I love that thing - makes for such a clean setup when you don’t need rods. I just added the link to the description!
@@RossBarnett02 Yea indeed, thanks!
Touch focus will be a plus but also freeze frame would be nice
@@vitalvisualz interesting! What would you use freeze frame for? I don’t know what I would do with that.
@@RossBarnett02 mainly match cuts for unique transitions
@@vitalvisualz ohhhhh! Nice!
07:16 is a dealbreaker. Hopefully they address that ASAP.
I have been personally told by Atomos' marketing team that they are working on both of the issues listed in this video. So, that's good news. How long will it take them to release an update? Unclear.
If only the camera controls would work on the blackmagic cameras 😢 I ended up getting the portkeys7p, but hopefully atomos will make this work with more systems soon
I know Fuji was left out of the lineup simply because Fuji doesn't allow camera control from anyone. Wonder why blackmagic was left out? Doesn't seem very blackmagic of them to limit Atomos from camera control?
@@RossBarnett02 Blackmagic and Atomos are sworn enemies of each other.
@@MichaelAngeloTech interesting!!
Did I understand correctly that if you want to use any monitoring feature like peaking, zebras etc you have to quit the control mode? So you cannot have for example peaking and start/stop record at the same time?
Thanks for the great review!
At the moment, you'll need to turn on peaking (or zebras or waveforms etc.) THEN go into camera control mode and continue as normal. But if you want to make any adjustments while recording (say toggle on/off focus peaking or zoom in while recording) you cannot. When switching to the monitor controls, it'll just stop recording on your camera when switching over.. So, yes. You unfortunately heard that right. I've spoken to several people at Atomos since this video launched that said they were working on this bug. But unclear how long that will take to release.
@@RossBarnett02 The issues mentioned are significant and should be imo absolute dealbreakers for anyone who films professionally. Has anything changed since your first impressions on this monitor besides Atomos just giving updates that they are working on it? ruclips.net/video/qXKyVCdlZX4/видео.htmlsi=v5oA2z9mai785ARG&t=550
@@pollbravo5754 Nothing yet.
@@RossBarnett02 Thank you for explaining. Appreciate your effort!
@@pollbravo5754 Agreed, that’s a complete show stopper until that’s fixed! As Camera Control CANNOT be used in a professional setting, period!
What top handle is that? Where can I buy it? Fantastic video.
@@KashifRobinson-f2n Tilta makes it! It’s great at keeping your rig low profile with the monitor mount off the front. If you buy it from the link in the description I think I’ll make $2. Appreciate your contribution 😉
Great video. Do you know if camera control works with Sony a7siii older firmware ? I don’t want to update as I’ve heard horror stories but don’t know if the CC work with shinobi 2 and old Sony firmware ?
@@nickfaulkner123 it should, I don’t believe anything changed with the firmware update on camera control. But, unfortunately all of my A7S cameras are updated to 3.01 - so I can’t test it for you.
@@RossBarnett02 thanks man. The only options I have under usb connection is auto , mass storage or MTP ? Can’t get any option for remote shooting. In like old firmware 2.11 😂
Thanks for this review.. To clarify, does it mean that you can connect a V-lock battery to the monitor then chain it to the camera via USB and the V-lock battery will power the camera through the monitor (acting as a bridge)?
@@Superjeanmarc yep! That’s exactly how I run my setup on a Smallrig V99 battery. Very convenient just having one power cable from the battery to the monitor. 🤙🏼
@@RossBarnett02 Thanks, that being said, having the recording stopping when changing a function of the monitor... is ridiculous and a no-go me... But thanks again
Oh shit... and no DC port... Double No Go.. :/ I'm thinking about the new viltrox.. but has no camera power though..
@@Superjeanmarc the recording bug will hopefully be fixed soon (according to my conversations with Atomos). I use a NP dummy battery to get DC power to the Shinobi, BUT if you’re looking for DC port + camera control check out the portkeys LH7P. Fantastic monitor, with minor issues.
@@RossBarnett02 When you say "I use a NP dummy battery to get DC power to the Shinobi" do you mean the 20 euros Battery Eliminator? That requires a non included D-Tap to DC locked connector barrel coiled cable (60 euros!) is that correct? Overall expensive and bulky accessories without the option to connect to the V-Lock battery using DC plug?
Hey Ross. Thanks for the insightful review. How do u connect the shinobi ii to the top handle...
@@oppongk any monitor mount will work. The one I have here in this video actually came with another monitor.. but, depending on what your top handle is fitted with (hot shoe or rails) you just need a monitor mount to fit your handle.
3:38 Did I understand you correctly here? I am pretty sure it's a 1080p monitor - not 4k
I misspoke - it's a 1080p monitor that accepts up to a 4k/30 signal. However, with a PPI of 423 it's definitely a lot higher of a pixel density than I'm used to seeing from my portkeys (LH5PII & LH7P) monitors.
Try PortKeys LH5P, it is a little bit cheaper, but has the same features.
Also BM5 II
@@filmowaniezprofitem I own the LH5P II. It’s similar to the LH7P. If you’re buying new the Shinobi II is 10x better and $50 cheaper.
@@RossBarnett02 okey, but how it is better? Also there is a bit more expensive BM II DS series, which is brighter, has af control for sony, and wireless control for few cameras.
@@filmowaniezprofitem personally I would say the Shinobi II is better because of the image quality, responsiveness to touch controls, responsiveness to camera inputs (how fast the correct values show on the monitor when changing values).
Now, I’ll say if you need wireless camera control (say for a directors monitor when working with a car rig). If you need a loop HDMI out, or if you need touch to focus, then the Lh5PII is a better buy.
For the way I use this setup though, the Shinobi II is a winner.
@RossBarnett02 thanks for explaining. Those are things that cannot be checked without having booth.
Can you see the aperture or exposure meter of the camera if you are only connected via HDMI without the USB c cable from the monitor to the camera?
@@Marvnz Nope, USB-C is what delivers the camera control. HDMI only delivers the image. You can use the monitor without the USB just fine, but you won’t have the camera control features.
@@RossBarnett02 thanks mate, appreciate it.
side question... have you noticed there's a latency? (more than the ninja 5+ and shinobi 7"(sorry that's what I have to compare to)).
I unfortunately don't own the Ninja V or the Shinobi 7" but I haven't noticed or read anything about higher latency with this monitor. If there is any latency, it definitely isn't noticeable when filming.
@@RossBarnett02 Figured it out, sorry!
What it is is that if you only select 4k internally that is all it will display. When you select 4k it basically has warping. In 1080 it goes back to having no latency!
If this gets touch focus then it's such a no-brainer.
@@invisibleadversary As MKBHD always says, “never buy a product based on future software updates”
BUT - it would be a no brainer for sure.
Did I hear you say this a 4k monitor? The resolution is 1080p. Anyway good review. I am getting mine on Monday.
@@beretta0222 might have misspoke on that one. Resolution is 1080, but it accepts up to a 4k/30 input.
Either way, the quality when viewing the screen is far superior to my Portkeys LH7P.
Okay this setup is not working for me. As soon as I turn my FX3 on, it asks
“SELECT USB CONNECT MODE” > no matter which option I choose (MSC, MTP, PC REMOTE) > there is no clean feed to the monitor
I also am not able to sync at all
HDMI Info Display is also turned OFF but still no clean feed.
What am I doing wrong / what setting have I not adjusted lol.
Running newest versions on both Shinobi II and FX3
@@hollyxsingh weird! From what I’ve seen this monitor works great on the FX3. As far as the pop up goes, go into the menu under setup->USB->Usb connection mode and change that setting to “Remote Shooting” instead of “select when connected”. That will stop the popup every time.
As far as the clean HDMI feed - what are you getting on the monitor?
@@RossBarnett02 okay I’m an air head, I figured everything out 😅💀
@@hollyxsingh let’s gooo 🤙🏼🤙🏼
Can I not charge my camera to let the battery on the monitor last longer my np-f battery drains after 30mins of shooting but my camera battery stays at 100%
@@Elevatedprod514 yep. Depending on the camera model, you can turn “USB power supply” charging off. Sony A7S/FX3 it’s in Menu->Setup->USB
Hey! which battery does the monitor take?
@@MartgMedia Sony L Series batteries / There’s also a link in the description for the dummy battery I’m using for the monitor to run from my v-mount battery.
Number 2 is a big problem and needs number 1 priority in a firmware update. Makes the whole camera control aspect useless ugh
@@chrisbrockhurst seeing your name pop up on a RUclips comment is a crazy experience. Big fan!
I agree. I’ve talked with several people at Atomos who claim they’re working on this asap. But, unsure how long that will take.
@@RossBarnett02 appreciate you 🙏🏼 but were all the same just making videos on the internet! Great video, I’ve just picked one of these up myself and interested what others think, you’re thumb/title stood out the most so nice work!
Can someone help me understand the power delivery from the monitor? How is it that the battery from the monitor powers larger batteries (V-mount) or the camera all day? I think I am misunderstanding. I'm new to using a monitor and want to make sure I understand!
@@danielgray1874 In my setup, the V-mount battery powers the monitor. Then, the USB-C from the monitor powers the camera while utilizing camera control. Draining the V-mount battery.
Or, you can put a NP-L battery on the back of the monitor - and with power delivery on the monitor battery will charge the camera.
If I change the iso, exposure or white balance from my camera controls the recording is going to stop?
nope! This "recording stopping" issue is currently only if you switch back into Monitor controls to enable/disable things like waveforms, zoom, false color, or other controls within the monitor. Changing the ISO White Balance or exposure in any way from the camera or monitor does not stop recording.
@@RossBarnett02 perfect, thank you!🙏🏻
I want to buy a new camera monitor and I think the shinobi ii fits my box. The only problem is mounting my rode videomic go and the monitor on my camera. Any suggestions on mount accessories I should look into?
@@blakegochee on my setup, I have a smallrig magic arm off the side of my camera for the mic! Works well. I’ve added a link to the description of this video.
Does the shinobi 2 support 4k120 via sony a7s3 or fx3?
@@VincentDoesNotCare I get this question a lot, and I never fully understand what’s being asked. So bare with me here. Short answer, no. You can shoot and monitor 4k/120 just fine, but Shinobi 2 is only a 60hz display, so the input is limited to 1080/60 or 4k/30. But, those inputs can be different from what you’re recording. So you can shoot 4k/120 while monitoring it in 1080/60 just fine.
I wish this has EL Zone instead of the regular False Color...
I’ve seen this mentioned a few times, seems like they’re reserving EL zone for the more premium monitors. Thankfully I don’t use false color often enough to care.
@@RossBarnett02 understandable though since it can replace light meters during shooting day. I only use my light meter on location or technical scout and during shooting day I only use Small HD monitor (rented) with El Zone to have a consistent contrast ratio. I was hoping they'll put EL Zone on their lower end monitors so Ill just buy my own for smaller production shoots. Oh well, no choice but to go for the new Ninja.
You never mention the overheating issue and the shinobi 2 I bought one based on your review and it got so hot to the touch on the screen that I'm returning it. I think you might have made a bad decision. It got hot twenty minutes into setup.
Dang, that does stink to hear! I've been using it outdoor & indoor since August (probably have around 200 hours on the monitor now) and overheating (or being hot to touch) has never been an issue for me. If it was, I would have mentioned it in my many complaints with the monitor.
I have also the Sony Alpha 7 M3 - but the connection to the Monitor Control doesnt work. What setting do you have on the Sony ?
@@donaldbraten7728 hmmm - I haven’t tested it on the older generation of Sony cameras. But it should work all the same as my A7S - only thing I know off the top of my head is to change your “USB connection mode” to “Remote shooting” within the camera menu.
Did you find it a lot sharper than the old Shinobi?
Found the old one quite soft, but that maybe because mine has quite a bit of LED burn in from heavy use
@@98JamesNixon I don’t have the original Shinobi anymore to compare to, but from memory it’s not any sharper - just much brighter. I’ve always thought Atomos were the sharper of the displays though (mainly compared to my Portkeys Monitors)
I love my Ninja V but what i really hate is that the features you buy for the monitor are bound to the device, not your account. This is absolutely ridiculous in my opinion. If my monitor breaks, i have to buy all the features again. Why not account based, so i can get a new device and all my features are there. That really is a big minus in my opinion
@@The_Daliban true, but that sounds like another monthly subscription 😅😅
@@RossBarnett02 oh boy. Yeah. I would prefer to have it bound to the account. If they fear people might sell it to others, just make it a 1 seat option. That way we can be sure to have the features, if the monitor breaks and they can be sure we don’t sell it to others
Is it just me or is your LCD screen lifting on the a7siii? 😢
@@photosbyjames_ lol. It’s definitely torn up. This camera was dropped about a year ago and the LCD split down the middle along the case. It’s not that expensive of a repair, but I just haven’t had the time to send it off between jobs.
So would you recommend this shinobi or the new atomos ninja ?
Hard to tell, it really depends on your specific needs. BUT - typically the Ninja series is designed for external recording (to codecs like ProRes RAW which I rarely will ever do). So unless you need external recording to SSD’s - I’d stick with the Shinobi.
Great points thank you for the point of view.
Can you see your focus areas on the monitor when in camera control mode?
@@andrewmcf96 touch to focus is not a feature. However you can see your focus by turning on focus peaking before entering camera controls on the monitor.
Hey man!
quick question, do you think it's possible to power the monitor via dummy battery connected to a V MOUNT, then connect the monitor via usb to the camera, so I don't have to run another dummy battery from the v mount to the camera?
Absolutely! That's exactly how I have my setup powered. D-Tap to dummy battery on the back of the Atomos Shinobi, then USB-C from the monitor to the camera with a standard camera battery in the camera. That way you only have one power cable coming out of the V-Mount and your camera stays charged all day.
If you're looking to purchase - I just set up a affiliate link in the description!
If it has a HDMI out would be awesome, quite don't understand
For me, HDMI out would be nice for the rare occasions I use a monitor while sending wireless to a directors monitor. But that’s so rare for what I plan to use this monitor for.
Can the monitor be rotated into portrait mode?
@@UndisputedR6 I’ve definitely shot some vertical projects on this, but I don’t think there’s a way for the software to rotate.
@@RossBarnett02 oh so the menu and stuff will be on the side of it still?
my lh7p automatically connects every time i turn it on . with no issue. i don’t have to do anything but turn the camera on
That's fantastic! What camera?
Ita not a 4k monitor its a 1080p monitor that monitors up to 4k30 i put goof..there really isnt a difference except thinness and beightness
True. I misspoke on that. It is not a 4k monitor. However, the display is so much better than my comparable portkeys 1080p monitors as far as sharpness goes. I think that has a lot to do with the UI
Does it have EL Zone?
@@Panotaker it does not! I imagine they’ll add it eventually, but currently there is no option for EL zone on the Shinobi II
It does now
@@LarsSteenhoff very true. EL zone was added to the latest firmware update 🤙🏼
@@LarsSteenhoff I’m waiting for EL Zone for the original Shinobi, but glad the Shinobi II has it now.
Can you power other accessories other than your camera from the USB C?
@@hugeclap77 you can!
Can i use shinobi 2 on a connection with PC as monitor on premiere pro?
I guess you could, but the better question is WHY
@ to have accurate colors
@@NC_Studio-NikosC For accurate colors when editing I think utilizing your scopes and watching content across multiple devices is the best route. Unless you're a full blown colorist, I wouldn't stress about having perfectly color accurate monitors to edit on. Just get a good monitor and run with it.
@ thank you , but my thought is about to have one monitor for laptop so I can use it there, pc at home and studio and as monitor on camera , so I don’t need to buy seperate for each one
This is probably a dumb question but do I need anything to attach it to my Kondor Blue camera cage for my gh6? About to purchase this monitor.
You'll need some way to connect it to the cage - the monitor doesn't come with a hot shoe connector or anything for mounting. Thankfully I already had several, but you'll need a monitor mount that works for your cage setup.
@@RossBarnett02 thanks I think I saw Kondor blue has a monitor mount. Will be my first monitor. Can’t wait to get it !
@@rogerdatfilms epic! Just updated the product description with an affiliate link. Would love if you could purchase through that link.
@@RossBarnett02 Dang already copped it before I saw this comment. The version I got actually came with a battery for it. Ill probably use your affiliate link to get the DC power adapter. Is that if I want to hook it up to my Small Rig Vmount battery?
@@rogerdatfilms YEP - DC adapters are good for all sorts of use cases, but the main one is powering from a V-Mount battery.
is it true that it heats up a lot, that it burns?
@@daniditu I don’t think so. Granted, I don’t really touch the back of it often when on a shoot. I’ve never noticed excessive heat coming from the monitor when shooting in direct sunlight.
Hello, nice review, can u pls send me a link of your top handle? it look realy nice, but i dont know how i can finde one like yours, THX
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Honestly I love this thing. From the squishy handle to the angle it puts your monitor out front, to the low profile of the rig, it’s the best.
what's your v mount battery?
SmallRig v99! For my wedding day rig like this I typically use 1.5-2 batteries for a full 12 hour day.
could you please say what is the boot time on this monitor?
Just set a timer and started it up! I’m getting approximately 10 seconds every time.
I've had no issue with Portkeys touch-to-focus. No reason to shade a great product just because you're hyped about something new, that to be accurate has yet to produce the most requested feature.
Making a point to state how Portkeys followed through on a great product from inception, continuing to communicate with users and producing updates upon requests.
Those watching RUclips creators post product videos need beware of how biased reviews can be considering their relationships with brands and pandering for free products and trending views.
I get it - and you've got a fair point. But I have zero relationship with Atomos or Portkeys. I don't receive free products and have bought everything on my own (LH5PII & LH7P + Shinobi II). BUT - Portkeys touch to focus is garbage. It's slow. It's delayed. And it doesn't show a box around what object you've touched. So i'll be the first to say it's hot trash (and i'll also be the first to say it's the only monitor on the market with touch to focus for mirrorless cameras). So, if you need touch to focus, get the portkeys! But, i'm not going to tell people that it's great just to pander to a brand I don't have a relationship with. I'm just a professional in the space talking about my experienced with the products.
I am also looking for a monitor that has touch to focus, instead of using my phone to do that task, and resulting in me never looking at the actual monitor but the smaller phone screen to make sure, that the focus square is where I need it to be.. And yes, the focus subject suare is essential. How else would you know if you actually are focusing on what you want.
Partially it is sonys fault, they didnt have enough foresight to make a focus square only option for the HDMI out, vs the clean or fully CLUTTERED piece of crap that also crops the image.
@SilentD1 You can be confident in what you're focusing on by using your monitors' focus-peaking tool.
Sony seeks to keep certain features proprietary, as to not incur on their licensing. The same practice responsible for stunting innovation across all major corporations.
@@Chrstphr03 hm thats why some random phone app like Monitor+ has the ability to show you the focus square. So not proprietary. And I do not trust focus peeking, cause I still do not know if it focuses on the right person on the screen, before its too late. Focus peeking only shows you when one person moves away from the other, and by then its too late.
I really do not need anyone's advice as to how I should use my equipment. I just ask for the features, and they can chose to make them or ignore them. No one should dictate how to use them. Especially when they (you) have no idea how I work, and what I work with.
Also. Camera manufacturers invented that focus square for a reason. Pretending that its not useful is absurd.
@SilentD1 Cool. You're welcome to fight for your limitations.
@8:00 This is my biggest problem with Atomos... their support is terrible. I've never had a good experience and always felt like I was dealing with a very low paid overseas support person. At least with SmallHD it seems like I'm talking with someone who's had hands on the product.
After the last week I completely disagree. Maybe it's because I have a youtube video that's getting traction, but i've gotten nothing but immediate responses on a lot of my questions. After this video was posted I received a further email stating that they are working on this issue!
@@RossBarnett02 Yeah, I’d say that’s because of your RUclips Channel. I’ve had 4 or 5 Atomos monitors (still have two) and multiple support cases. It always has been a waste of time for me.
Novel….shinobi 2 and Viltrox de x3?
I haven’t worked with the viltrox yet!
In 6 days you fell in love... Epic.
what can I say, I fall in love quick.
SO LONG TO UPDATE SHINOBI AND STILL HAVE SO MANY PROBLEMS.THIS BAD MARKETING ATOMOS
Seems like for $349 you can get a hardware and software update. 😅
150$ cheaper with 4k unlike Atomos ninja phone haha, what are they thinking with that thing
@@nogoodnecktie12 I’ve never been a fan of using a phone for something dedicated on set. I’ve gotta use my phone for other things. But I agree, this is a better budget buy for sure!
The shinobi doesn’t record 😢, if you want to record 4k ninja is the answer
@@vasilisrroshi8642 All depends on the codec you’d like to record in. For me, external recording is rarely needed these days with the amount of codecs offered in camera.
@RossBarnett02 yes true, if you do only photography you just need monitoring,,
Dude, you're rambling on about too much non-applicable stuff. You're losing my attention!
I appreciate the honesty 😂
1:53 You are so wrong about the Touch to Focus on Port keys. Seems like you are hassling for Atomos sponsorship 🫵🤔
@@GizmoMaxx lol, I rewatched what I said. I see zero lies. Portkeys could fix their entire touch to focus just by showing you a box of where your tracking focus point is. Currently, as the software stands, monitor+ is by far the best controls for this. Which, is sad. The recent touch to focus update from Atomos is even more sad. If you watch all my Shinobi II videos, especially the new ones, you’ll see I’m nowhere close to an Atomos Sponsorship 😅😅 I hate them all equally. Nobody seems to know how to make a perfect camera monitor with camera control.
@@RossBarnett02 just watched your latest video on the tap to focus “update” which still buggy aka no working 😵💫 tools are tools and that’s how I see and use and I don’t 😏 idolise no brand or anybody for that matter. All the best.