🔴 New SONNAR Lens For Leica M (Made in GREAT BRITAIN!) Bertele 5cm f2
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- Опубликовано: 25 июл 2024
- New Sonnar Lens For Leica M (Made in Great Britain!) Skyllaney Bertele 5cm f2
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Carl Zeiss Jena 5cm vs Zeiss Opton Sonnar 5cm vs Bertele 5cm. What is the best Sonnar lens for Leica M mount? Let's find out!
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I’ve been following the progress of this lens for at least a couple years now. Glad to see it getting close to the finish line!
I have a pair of Skyllaney restoration/conversions, one being a c. 1938 4cm f/2 Sonnar made for the original Tenax camera system. Very good contrast and punchy color for an uncoated lens, and just fabulous in b&w.
Brian S. is indeed The Man when it comes to Sonnars.
Thanks David and good to see another Skyllaney happy customer here!
Matt, thankyou for the excellent and thorough review. The story behind making this lens a reality, especially during Covid, is one of perseverance and dedication to Ludwig Bertele and to putting Great Britain back on the map for producing lenses for cameras again. It was an honor to correspond with Chris while he brought his dream to a reality. I "tinker" with camera lenses. Chris is the expert.
Which Sonnar is my favorite. Which wine is your favorite- same answer, the one that best fits the mood and situation. The Bertele is the best made, best machined, and best mechanical design of all Sonnars . Chris uses a special RF cam to maintain focus from 0.7m to infinity, accounts for a secondary shift in focus when used close-up. The Bertele is optimized for wide-open use, as I do with mine. Looking closely at the "indexed cam" of the lens you will see cuts in the metal that maintain perfect focus across range. You cannot do that with a straight cam. My Bertele Sonnar is on the M9, I have other Leicas for the other lenses.
I have several Zeiss Opton 50/1.5 Sonnars, will be getting one of them back from Chris soon. I use an Amedeo adapter with them for the M-Mount camera. The later Carl Zeiss 50mm F1.5 Sonnars used an early synthetic cement that often fails. Be wary of "Newton's Rings" with them. Early Opton Sonnar lenses use Canada Balsam, not subject to failing like the later ones. I do find more sample-to-sample variation in them. Get a great one, keep it.
I do not have a Tanack 5cm F1.5 Sonnar formula lens. I have the others.
Hi Brian! Sorry the video took so long to make and I'm glad you spotted it. Probably not as in depth or conclusive as you may have hoped but equally it should bring new eyes to the amazing Bertele project.
Great job Matt! It's great to see that people like Skyllaney, Omnar etc., are keeping much-loved, legendary lens formulas alive. And wonderful that you're able to give these folks the exposure that will allow them to keep doing it!
Thanks Andy, yes it was great to team up with them and hopefully help spread the word!
Made in GB, I love it right now!
Yes, sounds so nice to say!! :)
The guys at Skyllaney make fantastic lenses. I recommend them hands down. Thanks for this review Matt.
Thanks Felix!
Post-war opton sonnar looks a bit harscher and punchier to me? Other two look great (well just my preference). I'm just happy that you finally have proper British souvenirs to bring to your Patreons on your next overseas trips 😅
Haha thanks Thomas! :). Yes Opton is "puncher"
Skyllaney are superb, they sorted my zm Planar 50/f2 which had focus issues from new. Tack sharp now and a pleasure to use. Planning to send them my Jupiter 8 for a service and re-calibrate.
Thanks Nick, great stuff!
It is good to see this Bertele project reach completion. The number being limited to ten means that I will never be a lucky owner, but, I am glad to know that such a lens exists. I do have a Leica-R 50mm Summicron, converted to M-mount by Skyllaney, so, am acquainted with the quality of the work.
Thanks Rex and great to hear that you have a Skyllaney piece too! Pre-production was 10, not full production*.
Well, OK, if production will continue, that is good!@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
The man is as good as his word. ;o) The Skyllaney Bertele reviewed! You know that I have been looking forward to your opinions on this one as I am the lucky owner of one and like it a lot. Mine was one of five pre-production units. It has no serial number. And Brian fine-tuned it when it got to this side of the Atlantic. Something happened in shipping. I am partial to Sonnars and this version has edible color.
I would hope that Chris at Skyllaney can gear up and start producing this lens in quantity. From what I have read he and Brian have solved the previous Bertele design problems. OK, now I will watch the review.
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OK, great review. I cannot say which is best. That is a Sophie's Choice. I do have a 1941 CZJ 5cm f/1.5 that Brian has made right. It, too, is a nice lens. And my '57 KMZ J8 is very good. Which is best? I honestly favor the Bertele for its saturated color and IQ. It takes it up to 11. For me it has that little extra something. For softer I go with my J8 and still softer with my CZJ. I have to test them side by side just to see.
Thanks again for another great review. I have no idea how you find the time to do all the things you do but am grateful for them.
Thanks Sandy, I did promise! (After my old computer died I had to get the files off that then goes through them all any trying to work out what I shot with each lens, find any video footage and then bit by bit piece a video together.. hence I put it off for so long!). Glad to finally tick it off my list.
Nice to see more on Sonnars. I am a big fan of this lens design. I have owned and tried two pre-war Zeiss f2s, a post-war CZJ 1.5, a 1954 or so Opton 1.5, and abt a dozen Jupiters f2. My findings: My best Jupiter is from 1959 and beats the pre-war Zeiss lenses in every respect. Of the two 1.5s I kept the Opton which is easily the best 50 Sonnar in my collection. Also tested the Zeiss-Cosina Sonnar. It does deliver the typical look but with a rather modern interpretation. Judging from your pictures, the "Bertele" looks fine but I doubt whether I'll lay ou the money for it.
Thanks, the Jenas I received were very good copies so they did well but the Opton is the best performer as expected.
Love those videos with vintage lenses.
I like Shay as a model cause she is an interesting person to shoot and I would not so much use her in a some sort of beauty pose but go wild with her with props an d what not.
Comment on the SL, with vintage lenses (and I would say older than about 20 years, you are better of with a low MP count camera, 24 MP at the most to get the best results.
Now with the SL3 coming next spring, and probably with the same sensor as the M11 and Q3 with the option of pixel binning it would be great to see how they perform in the Low MP 18 MP.
They should perform so much better than the high MP sensors.
Anyways, thanks for sharing and have a great week
Thanks Rob good thoughts. Yes if I can get access to a 60MP sensor in the future I can try with old lenses at different MP.
I have the Q3 but never use the 60MP @@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom
Amazing ❤
Thanks!
Excellent comparison. The Bertele has nice character, I’d pick it.
Thanks! Yes a really nice lens.
Cool lenses. I have a Skyllaney restored Canon 50mm 1.5 sonnar lens that focuses down to 0.8m and it’s a beautiful piece of kit
Thanks Simon and very nice!
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Although I appreciate the new lens and all the work put into it (and if someone gave me one I wouldn't turn it down😊), I’m still very happy with my pre-war Ziess single blue coated 5cm f1.5 Sonnar. Very sharp in the center even wide open, has that curvature of field which adds a creative element, bokeh can be magic, contrast and color is good without being over-the-top ‘modern’ for a true and pleasing vintage look. All these Sonnar lenses are fun to use. The new Skyllaney does make it a lot easier; looking for a good copy, close focus, and just being new. BTW, my favorite normal Sonnar on the SL…, the 1957 58mm f2 ‘Sonnar’ Takumar. Like the slightly longer focal length (the shortest Sonnar for SLR ever made), .6m minimum focus, has that Sonnar magic, like the 2-ring pre-set aperture, light and compact with excellent built quality. Maybe not the easiest vintage lens to find, but they are out there, and prices can be a bargain compared to these.
Thanks for your input, I didn't know about the 58mm. I did just buy another lens that is said to have a Sonnar formula so look out for a new 50mm video to come soon!
Great video
You could also have compared them to the Nikkor and Jupiter sonar design 50’s
Maybe an excuse for a future video next year :)
It was just the day before yesterday that I suggested a lens comparison of sonnar normal lenses and here you are, Matt. I'm SO GLAD that Skyllaney is making this lens. I do hope they will go into regular production so that I might own one. I see that you chose to compare only European examples in this video, but I remain curious as to how well our Nikkor 50mm/2 in LTM or S-mount compare. No doubt the Skyllaney will win with its modern coatings, but curiosity remains. Also, could you speak more about the focus shift issue? How big of an issue is it really in real-world photography. My guess is that it's an issue when focusing 'close', but how 'close' is 'close'? Cheers, Mate!
Thanks Chris, yes sorry this has been on my todo list since I tested them in July! Yes maybe I'll test my Nikkors head to head next year. (Nikkors win on paper FYI which is which the SC 1.4 is so damn amazing.. it's an over-optimised Opton design I'm told ..on steroids. That holds true from my results. Focus shift is only an issue with RF cameras.
Opton Sonnar for my taste.
Me too!
At 0:43 i’ve seen the great photographer Peter Coulson, but he’s not even mentioned in this video.
Well spotted! He is if you listen. I was travelling with Pete for a few weeks. I did full interviews with him so see those. Great guy!
I would buy one if they have a clicked aperture option. There’s no way I’m just guessing what the aperture is if I change it while looking through the rangefinder.
I must say, I'm a fan of a of nice click aperture too.
Oh. It’s for the backwards aperture thing going. Not Chinese. If they make 35mm I’m in. The multi-coating helps make it have enough character but not so much that is off putting. Just right in everything.
Thanks Carlos, that's quite positive from you! :). Yes a good mix of character and performance.
Easy decision for me...Zeiss Opton Sonnar hand down my choice...for me, better color, contrast and sharpness.
Thanks Jeff, yes I love my Opton copy!
I agree it's nice the Scots have made this lens, but I would still pick the 50mm f/1.5 Opton-Sonnar of all the choices shown. The "Opton" prefix tells you that these post-World-War-II lenses originated from the West German Zeiss works in Stuttgart, whereas the original Carl Zeiss plant in Jena had wound up in the Soviet-controlled Eastern Zone; politics aside, there's no question that the West German team had access to better materials, finishing methods, and (probably) quality control. Based on my admittedly limited experience, the Optons are better-looking, more consistent, and nicer to use than either the prewar lenses or the postwar East German "C.Z. Jena" lenses. For me, the Opton 50/1.5 is an ideal blend of just enough "vintage character" plus just enough modern technology to produce images that are atmospheric but not mushy or uselessly unpredictable. Based on Matt's samples, I'd say even the modern Bertele doesn't quite reach the same level of excellence; the Opton 50/1.5 is just a very tough act to follow!
Thanks James and great conclusion. It is 100% true that the Bertele is designed to "fall short" of the Opton to get the most from the old design. I think the Opton offers fantastic value for money and is one of my highest performing vintage lenses.
Yesterday I came across the upcoming Thypoch Simera 35mm and 28mm f/1.4 M-mount lenses and wondered if we'd see a review from you at some point, are you familiar with them Matt? There doesn't seem to be many reviews so far, yours is one I'm certain we'll all be interested in!
Thanks, yes I know they are the "IT" lenses right now. I will try to write to them.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom hopefully they’ll get one out to you!
@@arronk09 I wrote to them
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom Great! I hope they'll send something out to you for a review, they look promising!
@@arronk09 I might be getting something in the post (I’ve chatted with them). Stay tuned!
I must have missed something. The last video I watched of yours you made a big announcement that you were selling your Leica gear. But hear you are using Leicas?
Hi, ah the "selling Leica" video was a long time ago. I was moving house so needed so extra cash. The point of the video was some Voigtlander lenses are optically very good so I sold some Leica to get those. I still use all Leica cameras (many, film and digital, all systems III, R, M, CL, SL, Q, and digital M). I still use many Leica lenses too but also other brands. This channel is to review every Leica related product to help people when deciding what to get. The MrLeica.com blog does the same in written format.
So strange to see something made anywhere other than China these days . Hopefully it continues 😊
Yes! I thought GB lost the Great a long time ago but maybe there is still hope!
Very nice lens... But... Why clickless aperture? Oh no, such a shame :(:(:(
Thanks, I guess for video but yes I like with a click.
the bertele lenses aperture as well as glass elements look way too suspiciously close to jupiter 8.
Yes I have J8 lenses too (see the video linked at the end). The J8 is the same as the early Pre-war Sonnar design so that would make sense.
I thought this was a photography video and then I realized it was digital 🤮
Haha thanks. I guess you mean the photos were not shot on film? I use my Sonnar on film a lot but this video was more about the new Bertele so it's better to show comparisons on digital to help show small differences between lenses that you will not see if shot on film.
Matt, great video. Carl Zeiss Jena pronunciation is Je:na the 'J' is pronounced like 'Y' - en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jena
True when one is speaking German. We're speaking English. The bottom line is that we all know what he means, and that's really the point.
@@chrisreich40 And is bouquet pronounced "bowket" in the UK? Is hors d'ouevre "horse dovruh"?
Thanks, I did think that after saying it many times!