🔴 REGRET | 35mm Leica M lens I wish I'd never sold (Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f1.7 vs 35mm f2)
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- Опубликовано: 28 фев 2024
- I regretted selling so rebought. Voigtlander Ultron 35mm f1.7 vs 35mm f2 comparison
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The best one (size and optical quality) that we have discussed before : 35 mm Nokton f 1.5 ;o)
I love my Voigtlander 35mm Ultron f/2. It has great character. I learned all about it from you! Thank you, Matt!
Thanks Lucy! I was happy it held its own here. I love the size and rendering too (but I always wondered/ had doubts.. was the 1.7 sharper.. it was but not in all conditions).
MATT : I have a brass 1.7 Ultron 35mm and I love it. Sharp , and beautiful the aperture is superb and the focus so smooth and precise , as a matter of fact , my 90 F2 APO ASPH Summicron ... her aperture is not as lovely to adjust as the brass bodied ULTRON , again I have the brass model , and even 2 hoods in brass for the lens , so yes I love that lens , oh , and it is beautiful on an M Leica too , I think it would be ravishing on am MP in black paint too. Life is so good. C .
Nice Chris! I've never seen brass one but I know about them. Enjoy!
I rebought the 1.7, too, but I intend to keep it this time … I really like the images it gives me …
Yes great lens no question. I used the money to buy a camera instead. (See the next video!)
Thanks for this very informative, interesting video. It's nice to revisit lenses and sort them out with newer alternatives. The portraits look great with all of the lenses -- kudos to Amy and you! I would love to see some further discussion of some Zeiss lenses, as you mention, as I'm very happy with my 35mm Biogon but am always curious as to how it stacks up to the Distagon and as compared to other makes, as well.
Thanks. If I ever get the ZM Biogon I’ll be sure to make a video.
Welcome back!
Thanks, yes I skipped the gym to get this out today as I realised it had been nearly a week. Sorry I was away for a few days working on a video to come soon.
Absolutely agree Matt. Superb lens. Not to much big (but on the bigger side according Leica standarts). Very pleasant bokeh. Great rendering overal. My copy was silver chrome - brass. I'm so so stupid, that I sold it :(.
Thanks Boris! Sorry to hear you sold your copy too.
Same here!! The Ultron 35mm 1.7 VM was AMAZING! And sold it...
I wish it was smaller and with a tab!
The 35mm f/1.4 Zeiss Distagon ZM was the first lens I purchased for my Leica M6 rangefinder. I have no idea how it compares to the lenses in this video, but I have been very satisfied with its performance.
Great. Yes it will beat all these lenses no problem. I want it but I hoped the 35mm f1.7 would do the same job. (It's not quite there)
Distagon 35/1.4 is an outstanding lens. It has only one problem. It's BIG. Nonsense in M system.
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For me, size in the M system is less important than image quality and operational quietness.
The Distagon produces some of the sharpest, clearest and most beautiful images of any lens I've owned. I cannot imagine another 35 being better, except maybe the 35 FLE.
When version III of the Ultron is released we'll marvel at how sharp it is compared to the current f2 Ultron. I'd be very happy with the 1.7 if it was handed to me to use. Your portrait photos on the 1.7 look great.
Thanks Dave! Haha yes sorry I'm confusing at times.. chasing sharpness/ size in one direction then buying big vintage cameras going the other direction. (See a new video soon!)
Matt, would you say the Voigtlander 1.7's sharpness starts to roll-off from 1 metre, or from what distance please? Your portrait shots looked great with it. Thanks.
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Thank you so much for making this video, Matt. You’re the best. :-)
Thanks Greg! It's confirms our thought's that it is sharp at mid-far distances.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom, there’s something I’ve been curious about. If you shoot at MFD will this introduce distortion to the models face? Does the M11/SL automatically correct for this?
I’m asking because we don’t have the auto correction on film, LOL. :-)
@@gregpantelides1355 50mm and wider will distort. Wider = more distortion if very close. On a RF can’t really get close enough to distort.
@@gregpantelides1355 and no cameras correct for this.
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom , thanks Matt!
After buying a Voightlander 35mm f1.4 Nokton Classic for Sony. I have become obsessed with Voights! I want the 50 now.
Nice. Yes I have a lot to thank Voigtlander for too. (It was the 40mm Nokton 1.4 that started my entire Leica journey. I was using it on M43 and couldn't use it on my Nikon D800 so eventually found Leica). Now I use many Voigts.
Sir: I took 2 cameras to Vietnam 7 years ago , each had one lens , the A7s2 had the Classic SC 40mm 1.4 Voightlander ... what CRACKER JACK lens , loved the images it made so clean but with that vintage vibe , not like my Sony lenses do , and the other ... a MX-EVS ROLLEI TLR with the TESSAR 3.5 75mm and the Rare ... 10 blade Iris.
The 10 blade iris in the Rollei TLR is superb. I did film and digital on that trip. What a lovely time. C
What about the Voigtlander 35mm f/1.4 vs the Thypoch?
Yes.. I sold my v1 once I bought the Ultron f2 and it was as small and sharper but I need to re-try the v2 Nokton (I have made a video on those). The Nokton is useful for film as small and fast. (Thypoch should easily win up close but need to test both at mid-infinity)
Would love to see more shoots with Amy. She is stunning. And how fortunate you both are to get to work with each other.
Thanks, I found her on Instagram originally. It's our 3rd shoot in 12mths. See her in one of my other videos in the studio.
Wow Graflex with Aero. Wish I would have jumped on this earlier.
Currently with a Crown Special and Intrepid Mark IV
Great to hear you enjoy 4x5 too. Stay tuned. New video soon!
Voigtlander 35mm f1.5 Nokton for me. Same size as the Summicron and with excellent performance
Thanks Ian, yes that one is a good size.
Well Matt ; if a DISTAGON is sharper , then a 55mm F4 should be sharp and according to Harry Fleenor , the 55mm F4 is one of or the sharpest lens of the TLR Rolleis. Again that is 6x6 Medium format , Harry is CLAD'ing my Wide Rollei right now , I will not have her for awhile. Good video , I will keep my ULTRON 1.7 35mm I love it. Cheers.
Ah thanks Chris! If I get to try a 55mm f4 sometime i'l make a video. (I have the 50mm f4 Distagon for the Hassy and it's great).
@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom so have I, but I wouldn't say it's staggeringly sharp, but it renders very beautifully, with some pixie dust I think😊
I got a copy of the Ultron. Nice lens with sweet soft colors with image sharpness. It's a keeper. I am not as keen on small lenses as you. It is very sweet, for me,on an M240.
Thanks, yes both great lenses!
I havent taken the 35mm f2 off my MP in probably two years. But, 35mm f1.7 has such nicer bokeh.
Yes I love the size of the f2 on M cameras!
Thanks Matt...
Thanks!
Great video. I#m a Fujifilm user myself but looking at Leica. A M10 or Q2 , keep up the good work. If i buy a Leica and a Ultron F2 i will mention you in the RUclips video :)
Great, and thanks!
..good lens! The sharpest 28mm M f2-2.8 and pretty small
I had the 35mm 1.7 Ultron Version 1 in M39, it was one of my first M lenses and really sharp. But I sold it because of the colors. Way to cold and greenish for my taste.
Hey Tobi, thanks. I nearly got that LTM one a few times. This version is ASPH so different optics.
What about the Voigtlander 35mm 1.5 ii? It's great and practically lives on my M
Love the size but I never fell in love with it sadly
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaComI have both f1.7 and f1.5. I think overall performance are more or less than same with my unscientific observations. However f1.5 has smaller size, Leica finger tab and lighter that allows me to shoot more than the f1.7.
@@burtonlee706 yes I much prefer the size and tab too.
Excellent video Matt.
Whilst looking at it , and I don't know why I haven't asked this before, when you shooting models with the SL and a manual lens (Leica M or Voigtlander) do you use focus peaking whilst shooting (and maybe switch it of when shooting) , or zone focusing when there is enough DoF ?
Thanks for sharing
Thanks Rob! Erm..I do it without thinking.. I think FP must be turned on yes, I zoom in to critically focus fast lenses wide open but for wider lenses stop down sometimes I shoot from hip level and zone focus. (28mm and 35mm via the screen and 50mm+ via VF.. quite often)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom thanks
Hi Matt
Ah, there's the video you meant However, I think the Ultron 1.7 is a bit too big, even if it's supposed to be sharper. I got my Nokton 35 1.4 II in the S:C version today. And later I will get the Flektogon 2.4/35mm M42 which I will also use on the 240 With this one the closest focusing distance is 0.22cm which is also very interesting, as I already had it I can only report very good results and it is also very sharp from open aperture. If you ever have the opportunity to use one I would like to recommend it to you. Also a very great glass.👌👌
Lg Anderl
Yes I prefer the size of the f2 or f1.4 even if they are softer. Enjoy your new lens!
Still didn’t found any 35mm M lens that is better than my 35mm 1.7 Ultron for its price. There is no lens out dare that doesn’t cost a arm and a leg compared to the 1.7.
Yes it's amazing wide open. I love the sunstars it gives too!
Fascinating video, as always, Matt. I must admit though that you confuse me. Quite some time ago you sold your Carl Zeiss 50 ZM because it was "too sharp", yet in your videos you compare sharpness of various lenses. Now, I'm keeping my CZM 50/2 regardless, but could you please explain how the Zeiss is "too sharp" while you seek sharpness in other lenses?
Thanks Chris and fair point! My passion is film so I like sharp enough lenses to use film so then the final image has detail and isn't a mushy mess. I'm happy with soft lenses on digital. I only really used the Planar 50 ZM on digital back then and some models I met didn't have skin that could hold up to that lens. I didn't have vintage lenses or mist filters to turn to in those days so all I had was "too sharp". Now I'm older and wiser I still seek out the best lenses but I apply there right too for the job. Sharp on film, soft on digital quite often for female portraits.
Hi Matt, thank you for another interesting and informative video. Can you tell me please what strength ND filter you used please - 4 stop? Many thanks.
Thanks Christian, it will depend on the camera you use. I get to enjoy ISO 50 & 1/250 on the SL. On a M10 with base ISO of 200 I'd need a stronger ND. I own a -3 and - 2 and have stacked them in the past for fast lenses like the Noctilux.
Many thanks Matt. I should have known it would depend on the sensor and the ambient light on the day. Your reply though informs me it probably would be n the 2-5 stop range. I’m practising dragging the shutter and get worryingly excited about the details!!
I should have said in my initial comment how much I enjoyed your photos.
Great review. Good that you can “buy it” but can just return the lens because you don’t like it ( great lens but it’s not fit for your purposes in comparison to what you have …. ). I need to find that retailer
Thanks! If you buy from any shop selling used gear you normally have 14 days to return something. I bought it planning to keep it but the f2 performed better than expected against it up close.
and of course we must not forget the Leica 35mm King of Bokeh !
Yes!
I find this sort of express review quite useful to get an overview, though I wish you would separate out results from the SL and the M cameras much more clearly and consistently. Though M lenses will work fairly well on the SL, they are designed for the M and work better on the M. Though for your own purposes the results on the SL are very relevant to you, they are not so relevant to M users. It tells me a lot that the two voigtlanders are more or less the same at infinity on the M, but is confusing to hear you say that the f1.7 is better at infinity, when you mean it is better on the SL only. Please try to keep the results more clearly separated.
Thanks, noted for future videos. (My M10 will go to Germany soon so I’m back to my previous cameras)
Better than any of those (and that we have discussed before): Voigtlander Nokton 35 mm f 1.5
It's not Bruno, It wasn't my choice (otherwise I'd own it in a flash). It failed to impress me when I tested it and isn't as sharp as some of these (**I know sharpness isn't everything**)(Just my 2p worth)
@@MattOsborne-MrLeicaCom I guess I must own the right one ;o)
@@BrunoChalifourwhat about its reputation for colour aberration, with your copy?
@@zenden6564Frankly I have never noticed it in my prints, probably because I always use a lens-shade, rarely have a light source in the frame and use it 50% of the time with a monochrome M.
What about the nokton 35mm 1.2 III? did you sell it? I'm thinking about buying it base on your recommendation, so I was wondering your reason
Great lens. For completeness I own the mkII not mkIII but yes I still have it. (I just keep testing different lenses).
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Thanks!
Wasn’t Ultron the villain in a marvel movie?
Haha maybe, I'm a bit rubbish with movies!
He was, until the evil Thypoch arrived and he was badder...😂
5,50.. quite another color, much more y
Thanks, that's edited with a preset
B&W? voigtlander is oke, but digital color? Nah, get Leica lenses
Fair point. I think that's why I'm happy with Voigtlander so often as I shoot B&W (and don't see the CA issues etc)