DO WIDER TIRES MATTER? - Farming Simulator 22
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- Опубликовано: 29 авг 2024
- You may be wondering if it matters to have wider tires in Farming Simulator 22, this video will shed some light on this very question.
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Everyone has something to say about the test or tires, am I the only one here who is thoroughly impressed with the hill you built?
Loved this test video in FS19 and now for FS22. A couple thoughts.
1) Could you change the terrain to dirt or grass. I have heard rumors that the terrain impacts traction and I am thinking the asphalt gives all tires a somewhat equal playing field (pun intended).
2) I think having a higher horsepowered tractor would test traction more. An underpowered tractor won't get the wheels slipping as much as a higher hp tractor.
In a nutshell: High HP towing a big load up a dirt or grass hill. Or High HP towing a big cultivator through a ploughed field!
Thanks for all your content FC!
Agreed.
yes, terrain has a (rather big) impact
but generally: the best setup seems to be wide with weights
tire brands also have a difference, but I can't remember which one is better
You want the tires to be the weakest link in the test. The weakest link in this test was the tractor engine, and that was a constant.
I was recently down to 4km/h cultivating a big field when on the uphill run on standard tyres, having the mobile workshop installed I changed to duals and gained 2km/h to 6km, thought I'd try wides with weights and got an amazing 9k.
Beware, if using courseplay and you change configuration of the tractor using mobile workshop it will delete the courseplay course so save it first.
After some more experimenting not all makes of the same style tyre work the same, bkt will surprise you compared to the big names.
I agree on the notion of this being done on a plowed field. Also a test between brands, on the top performing setup, perhaps. Great testing video!
I would be curious to see what impact on working speeds in cultivated and plowed terrain. I'm never totally sure on if it truly has different traction values for the terrain types. Great video is what pulled me to your channel with 19.
Yeah farmercop should plow the hill and then do the test.
Great idea for additional testing :)
I haven't noticed much different in traction for changes in state except plowed I used little electric tractor and was struggling couldn't get anywhere in plowed ground then switched to duels and worked fine after changed was acting like was high centered not as much like stuck so I think it could be the small tractor size plowed land makes tractors tip and shake like a built in mechanics
Interesting run, i have to wonder if concrete is the best surface.
Wider tires initialy were used to reduce wheelslip and on hilly maps er size matters, so to speak . As far as im aware surface does have an impact on grip in 22
Thanks for your time and extreme patience getting this done .
Small suggestion, you should have flat grass map with flat soil composition map with specific squares aligned to fields to test stuff like precision farming for example. Also nice video
Great video, I've been waiting for this series to return for FS22! You should try the big case/new holland and see if the track variants make any difference.
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Or...you could do that yourself ;)
It would be interesting to see what happens with the more realistic traction mod installed. Also, results vary a lot depending on the surface you test on. Grass versus dirt versus cement versus gravel etc. i’m still not convinced tires really matter much at all, other than looks 🤔
Tracks help a ton when it comes to snow
I’m new to farming simulator and I’m having a lot of fun with it. I’m really enjoying your videos, your tests are brilliant and very well explained. It’s making the whole experience much more enjoyable. Thank you!
Thank you mister farmer cop for this video . I was waiting for you to release this type of video since the release of the game
The only criticism I would have from the test method, is you may want to run each test 3 times and use the average from the group of three, and definitely wear a lab coat 🥼
However I also understand this is done out of curiosity, and that would triple the time needed to perform this test.
Thanks FC for being Dr.Farmer Cop for the day.
I suspect the variations in the times may have more to do with the weight of the tractor than traction, the wheels add weight, I don’t think friction is necessary modeled in the physics engine.
Interesting. Also, I was thinking the duals were more for spreading weight OUT on the ground to avoid compacting the fields and sinking in too much IRL vs just increasing pulling speed. So maybe that's why the duals didn't speed it up as much in this test. I wish the game had more realistic traction and such in the fields, like where narrower tires might sink in or just spin, and/or compact the soil more, so you'd have to actually determine if weights are better (for pulling in slicker mud), or duals are needed (for protecting the field while working it).
Probably just in my head, but larger tires seem to only help more on flat and slight elevation changes. While reducing acceleration and turning radius.
Great Video But going off topic is anyone Else having issues with combine only stop at 100k when it can hold way more because of the weight
it's on game settings
I liked the test. I wonder if the inclination be was too steep though. I’d like to see a test with an underpowered tractor pulling a plow. I’d also like to see if the rain has any real effect. I feel like the better tires help me more when it’s wet. Also I feel like pulling across a field would have different results.
It could just be all in my head though. Thanks for another awesome video!!!
With most vehicles, especially tractors, it’s not just power. It’s about the power to weight ratio
Just a thought for any future test, you could just create track for the GPS, and save it, and that way you would have to go into the menu each time and set to 90.
What about a difference in tractors that offer a track option? Like the Case Puma, I think it is. Or the John Deere 8RT and 8RX I think is tracked only but have different track types. It may or may not have different/interesting results. May run those tests myself, you've piqued my interest about it now if I'm honest lol. Recently found your channel and quite enjoy your content. Thank you for taking the time to make it! Shameless plug, my gaming channel → Action Beard
I may have missed it, but I hope in a future video you can do tracks as well. Mainly for the Claas and the New Hollands that get rear tracks.
Might be a little complex, but a front weight guide/test would be nice to go with this.
From my own experience of FS22, I've seen that a larger weight can sometimes greatly help, and sometimes makes things way worse.
IRL, the front weight should be proportional to the trailer type and load, but I can't really tell for sure if the game models that correctly. By trailer type, I mean, how much weight is placed on the trailer's wheels vs weight placed on the hitch (lifting the front end up).
I use JCB Fast Trac's a lot on my farms, where the balance is perfectly in the center by design. So if I get the front weight wrong, I lose the front end on a corner. Which is a major pain when you're carting silage bales across the map, to a sell point.
Maybe 2 tests, a cornering at speed test (with trailer), and an implement pulling test?
I would love to see the test all the way through with no camera cut aways it doesn't matter how long u end up recording i would enjoy the test video's with no cut aways
Let's see one that has tires and track options. Like a 9rx or one of the Case offerings. Thanks for this test! Enjoyed it!
You should pull that cultivator in a plowed field. I’m interested to see that. I noticed no matter the tractor they always struggle a bit on plowed field. I would like to see the snow test as well. I like the tests so far and from play playing time my experience with weights is the same as what you showed
answered everyones burning questions
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It would be cool to see this on Western Wilds. You could make this hill and paint it to be a plowed state. Could be very interesting
I like the test and data videos over the tour stuff personally, keep them coming!
I would suggest that there be multiple tests for each to help eliminate some of the randomness. NSTA recomends repeating at least three times. Obviously it is different than a speed check, since you can't very well ask a driver to drive past a point three times.
I enjoy watching your videos and they have made my gaming experiences even better with this game since I've been playing since 2015 now on 2022
I was just looking for this answer yesterday!
Yeah, it may not be 100% accurate, but i feel as though it will be accurate enough to get a good idea of which would get better traction.
Pro tip, on GPS you don’t need to delete the leading zero on the heading. 090 is the same as 90.
leave 0, and press alt+end(?) to rotate by 90.
Nice test FC
I think the test going uphill on pavement is an equal struggle for the same tractor with different tires configurations. So equal struggle, equal results. I've seen comments where people are saying use this or that machine. That only tests the different machines, we were testing tire traction. I don't know if this is a solution to that problem, but my thought is to find a piece of farm equipment that weighs a lot, and a tractor that barely fits the requirements. Then perhaps it might struggle more in the fields with different tire types. Thus, showing an actual gain in performance. But again, if the tractor still tops out on speed it will have no effect. So, I don't know. But I love the attempt at finding a difference.
FC back to his roots 👍 I like it.
But what about the tractors which do have a tracked option for their tires? These should be tested too
From what I can tell wheel width affects traction with narrows being the worst for traction but also not destroying any crops
This seemed to be a mostly power limited scenarios. We need a traction limited scenarios to really show off the tires.
Your test videos are always interesting.
seems that the weighted set up on the wheels works better with the lowered cultivator, so rule of thumb would be Weighted for anything being dragged through the dirt, for example that would be Subsoilers, ploughs, Cultivators and maybe seeders and planters. pretty cool and thanks for doing the testing.
Great test. Very helpful! Thanks!
Usually the wides are not meant for better traction but for distributing the weight better. Mid-width tires have good traction, but depending on the terrain,because they have a smaller contact patch they can dig into the ground and not pull that well. Also IRL wider tires reduce soil compaction when pulling heavier equipment (less soil compaction can yield better plant growth).
Same logic applies to double tires.
What does improve performance when the tractor is losing traction is the grove pattern and depth. The softer the ground you want more groves to dig into it and pull you forward, but on hard surfaces more ground contact is better. Reason why on airports you will mostly see car like tire patterns on tractors (almost slick tires).
All of this is talking about real world, not the game, but that is what simulators are aiming for right? 😅
👍 Maybe another test qould be to try with and without the front weight.
Ive notised that wider and standard tires do alot better than narrows etc in plowed soil etc. so i guess its under those conditions monstly we will see the biggest effect.
Should also look at turning circle with different tires. I'd think wider would be worse.
Also, breaking. And maybe different slope angles, including downhill.
Rather than timing the runs, you could start at 0°, then increase the angle like 5° at a time until they couldn't start from standing.
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I believe the last set of tests I saw, there was also a difference for with/without front weight. I believe the general conclusion is that more surface area gives better traction, but adding weights front and back made a difference too (especially the front weight) - if you don't have the weight to complement the surface area you can end up just slipping the wheels. Not sure if surface type makes a difference or not - concrete vs mud (vs wet mud??!!)
But also if there is no wheel slippage, then adding more rubber doesn't make much of a difference - there was possibly no traction issues with the heavy rock trailer, so it didn't matter if you had lots of rubber, or more weight!
Maybe you could make a test video where you look at how tires have an effect on compacting silage?
narrows to avoid crop destruction
weights for hauling and prepping fields
duals for compacting silage
regulars for everything else
Good test FC. I say use the most powerful tractor you can so that's not a limiting factor. Also 2wd vs 4wd would be interesting, and on different surfaces
I like all duals or all narrow triples for stability when lifting things like trees. Great production thanks for the testing and sharing.
Always great testing! One video I have yet to see is testing of the weights. Is there any real benefit on an average tractor and equipment setup? And how would you know how much weight is helping vs hurting your traction. Thank you for all your hard work!
It would be cool to see the difference between the John Deere 8r 8rx and 8rt
Very cool! I wonder how the different tires are coded in game? Perhaps there is what I'll call a "traction value" assigned to each set of tires? Sure would be interesting to find out!
You should make sure that the limiting factor is traction and not horsepower. Take a tractor with as much power you can get and than you should see higher differences in the results.
Love the videos bro theyre helping me alot keep up the good work love the commitment and attention to detail
I can certainly say wider tires give better traction, especially in fields pulling a plow up a hill. Duals are even better. I also like duals when using front loaders for more stability. I don't like duals when trying to fit in tight places.
Great video! I was a little surprised with the results but the testing was done very well.👍 I would like to see a tutorial on the course play mod. Thanks! 😃 Yours are always the easiest to follow.
How about finding a track tractor with the same speed and horsepower of a wheeled tractor to test tracks vs tires
Use a high HP tractor in cultivated ground with an extreme load. Then tire slippage or traction would show better.
In real life narrower tires provide better traction.on fim ground Wide tires and duals add flotation and traction on soft and muddy ground
I think you could use the hill to test different tractors of the same horsepower. Like where the 6r & 7r deeres overlap. Also like a 150hp tractor shootout
Hi, You could also have tested the Case Magnum it might not have narrow tires, but it can use a track-suspension on the rear... Does tracks make a difference?
Additionally there is a mod which "model" tire-slip and with it wider tires or twins might be impactful.
Soil type makes a difference too, this test still works fine just i think the differences would just be more significant?
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For the next time you do these tests, count the frames/time in post and do a voice over with the results perhaps.
Maybe pair a tractor with an implement it can barely handle. The tires going uphill might make a difference and reach normal operating speed versus below operating speed. So basically, an implement that needs 160 HP and you have 160-170 HP on the tractor. I am sure the dual wheels could reach a higher speed under these circumstances. Just a thought.
im always using wide & weights, i like the look but i really dont know if it helps or not. Forklifts matter! those little forktrucks with tiny wheels struggle on rough terrain however a front loader with big wheels is just like any other tractor.
Very interesting comparison! Especially compared to fs19! Is it more realistic being a similar time or not? Definitely should do the test in wet/snow. Maybe for a laugh do a top speed brake test into haybales
Great video! I'd be interested to see front duals with and without weight in front.
FS tire logic: more weight = more speed
Pls test with REA22 WHEELS mod. It claims to add a lot more realistic traction/friction/slippage to wheels, and to make wide/dual/tracks useful.
Perhaps wider tires save fuel?
Because more grip/less slippage means more engine power actually goes into propulsion.
Can you do a test with different weight configuration. For example the 7R John Deere can attach a weight in the belly. I would love to see that
I think you need the biggest engine, I never saw very much slip, seemed like it was more or less just maxing out horse power
Does the game change vehicle speed depending on ground type? The ramp looks like a stone texture. Would there be a difference if it was growing grass, plowed, harvested ground, etc.?
A test vehicle with optional tracks or tires would be nice.
How does tracks affect traction vs tires.
Loved the video from 19 and 22. One thing I would like you to do is crawler tracks. I know Case IH has them I believe it's their Magnum tractor but I'm just really curious because theoretically tracks should be really good
Tracks vs tire? Thanks for the vid 👍
It'd be interesting to see this test as far as Traction on say Plowed ground to see if width/duals play more grip difference there.
The other thing I'm really puzzled is, why would Front Duals make such ah difference.
I made a modded version of the Case IH AFX Connect Magum that has Duals on Front but not rear and it's far better than Duals on Rear only...
So seems like FS22 calculate pulling power based more on Front wheels than Rear...
They matter a lot.
To me...
emotionally...
I love big tires 😍😄
Could you do a test with the tires and treads? I’d like to see what the times are like with a quad trac vs 2 trac vs all duals.
You have the best videos! I'm new to the FS world and was wondering if there are any advantages to using tracks, or should I just stick to tires?
I’m curious about tracks. Like the rts and case and new holland with rear tracks and the 8r with tracks all around
In that test I think it was the engine being small and not pushing the tires to hold traction that made the difference be not much. Personally I have noticed in plowed fields pulling seeder than tire size makes a difference.
I would love to know how the tire type affect the fuel usage while doing tasks
I noticed the tractor was struggling with traction when it started raining while I was working on the field, in the base game with no mods.
A traction test, testing in a field with a big cultivator. See how much the wheels spin
Kind of curious what you would get if you ran the same tire config 3-5 times. Is there any randomness in it (beside your human error on the stopwatch which I agree is negligable).
I wonder if nokian ties would make a difference since they are made more for road work
I know this video was a while ago now, but what if you tried a test with the 'Mud System' mod installed to see which tire set up worked best in muddy fields?
do brands matter? always assumed that they're only cosmetic
Test double wheels on plowed field with overweight cultivator
Maybe try the same setup two or three times to see if it is constant with the exact same tires multiple times
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Test going through plowed and cultivated fields?
Great video, came here to see what the tests were, I have the MUD System mods install and slippage when it rains, etc. can you do some tests on that? e.g. if I had a trailer of 50k of corn which tires are best to pull it in rain from a stand still in the middle of a field. -- basically all the mods by REA22
I use wide or twins more when I need turning stability. Tipping over isn’t fun
Great video, thanks for sharing. Have you tested the communal tires? I'd be very interested in the results of those.
Wonder if there's a way to test stability, cause lots of times I'm picking wides it's cause I think they won't flip as easy, but idk if that's actually true.
And I always play with crop destruction, but by time it's at growth stage to get destroyed, I'll have all the process done, so it's a non issue