Solid idea John and I remember doing some bar throws in college (don't know where it came from). One consideration is that standard netting/cages may not stop the bar from going through. If you have some welding skills, adding a "cap" that is 2-3" in diameter could improve safety (and make it easier to find in the grass).
I just started coaching throws this year and using your content on patreon to help train my students. I would love to use these and purchase if you sold them.
Interesting. Thanks for the idea John, I'll have to try it to help my throwing. It seems simple enough to either go to a steel distributor or just get a piece of black pipe and some caps at home depot/lowes. Then fill it with sand or shot/BBs. Then you can adjust the weight too.
Yep, they are not to hard to make. If you end up making one like that be sure to let me know how it works! What I’ve found with throwing bars is that the shorter they are the better. When the bar is skinny and long it doesn’t seem to feel quite as good to throw.
@@johnbowmandiscus thank you for that additional information. As I was wondering about what would be reasonable dimensions. I have an idea about the size of the bar that you have from watching your video. I'll throw something together and let you know what I've come up with.
picked up some 1 1/4 inch cold rolled steel. They tell me it is 4 pounds per foot. Will be cutting it into a variety of lengths and beveling the ends. It is far too cold in Idaho to throw discus so looking forward to giving this a try. We are about 9 weeks from the first meet which last year was held in 38-degree weather with light snow.
Haven't been able to source a steel bar locally so looking to get PVC pipe and fill it with rebar or cement. If I can't get enough weight could maybe add lead wheel weights. What do you think about a 2-inch diameter and 12 inches long. What weight should I try to target for a 9th grader? Thanks John.
What about adding a strap (old belt) across the top of the discus, fastened on the bottom side with screws. Slide your hand under the strap and practice technique on any flat surface without letting go. Use for warmups when the circle is busy. Can add shot to the center of discus to add weight.
I like using the bars for throwing but there was always the glaring flaw - the release. Throwing a discus there is a snap of the fingers at release, but with the bar you are just letting go. The solution I had was to have some kind of bulge or something that the fingers could push off of at release. I still think heavy discs are better though.
When throwing the bar in training, it's certainly not to replicate the release of the discus... and that goes for anything that we throw that is not a discus. I think the bars are great for learning technique and for throwing in the cold and that the actual discus should be thrown as much as possible.
@@johnbowmandiscus Agreed. Really if you aren't going to let it go then just a 5lb plate works fine too. A lot of the 1in hole plates have rounded sides. I've filled in the center pieces with epoxy and made cheap heavy discs also.
If your looking for solid bar you can go to a steel distributor. They usually have a scrap/cut-off bin where you can just buy by the pound. In my area it runs about $1.50/lb. If they don't have something suitable in the cut-off bin they can cut something for you. Pricing will be similar.
Keep in mind the weight and length of the tool you are throwing... those two factors effect its usefulness. If its too long or too heavy it creates to much drag and is not helpful.
I have an idea as to why the discus tool may not have been a good fit for you. In my own training, the discus tool is a really good way to expose deficiencies in my overall technical tempo and the rhythm of my delivery. Here's what I mean... When I get into a certain rhythm with the discus, there's always going to be a tendency to pull to soon or across my body because I feel my body in the correct position to throw but now where the discus is in place in space to time when to begin that motion. The discus tool is a really good feedback mechanism for being very patient with finding where that point is. And since it takes longer to adjust with the tool because its farther away from you (similar to a long wire hammer/weight) once you adjust back to having the weight closer to your COG, you can more easily focus on the rhythm and timing of delivery. This is why the tool operates on a chain, because it's easier to feel the weight pull away from you in space. Which is the feeling you want with a discus and a feeling I think A LOT of throwers completely fail to feel. They want to pull the discus along rather than allowing angular momentum to create a natural orbit with a whip at the end. Whips can't be created without relaxing the arm. The discus tool will definitely teach that. I think this has made my rhythm middle to front a lot better because without me waiting for the discus to come around in conjunction to my hips, I could have a really good setup back to middle to front, but completely mistime the finish. The discus tool has significantly narrowed that gap, for me. All this being said, I still use heavy bars because this is another way to feel this, but without the added difficulty of the chain. I like to go from discus tool, to bar, to discus. The better I can transition from one to the other, the easier timing the discus gets every time.
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The discus bar prototype is here: www.etsy.com/listing/1675611271/discus-bar-throwing-tool-discus-throw?etsrc=sdt
Solid idea John and I remember doing some bar throws in college (don't know where it came from). One consideration is that standard netting/cages may not stop the bar from going through. If you have some welding skills, adding a "cap" that is 2-3" in diameter could improve safety (and make it easier to find in the grass).
Great training tools John.
In collage we just used a sock with a tennis ball in it. 😆
I just started coaching throws this year and using your content on patreon to help train my students. I would love to use these and purchase if you sold them.
Old hurdles have these bars in the base. Open them up you'll have 2 bars in each hurdle.
We use the weights inside of hurdles
Interesting. Thanks for the idea John, I'll have to try it to help my throwing. It seems simple enough to either go to a steel distributor or just get a piece of black pipe and some caps at home depot/lowes. Then fill it with sand or shot/BBs. Then you can adjust the weight too.
Yep, they are not to hard to make. If you end up making one like that be sure to let me know how it works! What I’ve found with throwing bars is that the shorter they are the better. When the bar is skinny and long it doesn’t seem to feel quite as good to throw.
@@johnbowmandiscus thank you for that additional information. As I was wondering about what would be reasonable dimensions. I have an idea about the size of the bar that you have from watching your video. I'll throw something together and let you know what I've come up with.
Definitely want
picked up some 1 1/4 inch cold rolled steel. They tell me it is 4 pounds per foot. Will be cutting it into a variety of lengths and beveling the ends. It is far too cold in Idaho to throw discus so looking forward to giving this a try. We are about 9 weeks from the first meet which last year was held in 38-degree weather with light snow.
I'm in the same boat, high school coach and would love some!
I would be interested in the bar. For JH and HS students.
Haven't been able to source a steel bar locally so looking to get PVC pipe and fill it with rebar or cement. If I can't get enough weight could maybe add lead wheel weights. What do you think about a 2-inch diameter and 12 inches long. What weight should I try to target for a 9th grader? Thanks John.
I would be interested in buying the discus bar. Do you still plan to make them on your own? Do you ship to Germany? Grüße, Roland
Yes, I am making them. Here is the link if you are still interested! Thanks!
www.etsy.com/listing/1675611271/discus-bar-throwing-tool-discus-throw
100% agree
What about adding a strap (old belt) across the top of the discus, fastened on the bottom side with screws. Slide your hand under the strap and practice technique on any flat surface without letting go.
Use for warmups when the circle is busy. Can add shot to the center of discus to add weight.
Yes, that is a great way to practice when you’re not able to let go 💪
I like using the bars for throwing but there was always the glaring flaw - the release. Throwing a discus there is a snap of the fingers at release, but with the bar you are just letting go. The solution I had was to have some kind of bulge or something that the fingers could push off of at release. I still think heavy discs are better though.
When throwing the bar in training, it's certainly not to replicate the release of the discus... and that goes for anything that we throw that is not a discus. I think the bars are great for learning technique and for throwing in the cold and that the actual discus should be thrown as much as possible.
@@johnbowmandiscus Agreed. Really if you aren't going to let it go then just a 5lb plate works fine too. A lot of the 1in hole plates have rounded sides. I've filled in the center pieces with epoxy and made cheap heavy discs also.
How much would it cost for you to make a discus bar? I'm a new throws coach, and I'm always looking for tools and techniques to help my throwers.
If your looking for solid bar you can go to a steel distributor. They usually have a scrap/cut-off bin where you can just buy by the pound. In my area it runs about $1.50/lb. If they don't have something suitable in the cut-off bin they can cut something for you. Pricing will be similar.
Would love it if you offered them but shipping might be a bit much?
I don’t think shipping will be a problem. And I got your email and will respond a little later today 💪
Another option: go to your local bowling alley and ask for old damaged pins they would otherwise throw out
Keep in mind the weight and length of the tool you are throwing... those two factors effect its usefulness. If its too long or too heavy it creates to much drag and is not helpful.
How much does a small Hemmer weigh?
They come in different weights, but the red one that I have is 2.5k
What diameter is this John?
Looks like about 6” long and maybe 1” diameter? Maybe
1 1/4”?
The diameter is 1.5” and the one I showed on the video was between 9 and 10 inches. Going much smaller than 1.5” diameter makes the bar too long.
I have an idea as to why the discus tool may not have been a good fit for you. In my own training, the discus tool is a really good way to expose deficiencies in my overall technical tempo and the rhythm of my delivery. Here's what I mean...
When I get into a certain rhythm with the discus, there's always going to be a tendency to pull to soon or across my body because I feel my body in the correct position to throw but now where the discus is in place in space to time when to begin that motion. The discus tool is a really good feedback mechanism for being very patient with finding where that point is. And since it takes longer to adjust with the tool because its farther away from you (similar to a long wire hammer/weight) once you adjust back to having the weight closer to your COG, you can more easily focus on the rhythm and timing of delivery. This is why the tool operates on a chain, because it's easier to feel the weight pull away from you in space. Which is the feeling you want with a discus and a feeling I think A LOT of throwers completely fail to feel. They want to pull the discus along rather than allowing angular momentum to create a natural orbit with a whip at the end. Whips can't be created without relaxing the arm. The discus tool will definitely teach that.
I think this has made my rhythm middle to front a lot better because without me waiting for the discus to come around in conjunction to my hips, I could have a really good setup back to middle to front, but completely mistime the finish. The discus tool has significantly narrowed that gap, for me. All this being said, I still use heavy bars because this is another way to feel this, but without the added difficulty of the chain. I like to go from discus tool, to bar, to discus. The better I can transition from one to the other, the easier timing the discus gets every time.
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