My car, a model 3 LFP, which is charged to 100% overnight on my home charger, and between 50-80% when supercharging on a long trip, is now 18 months old and has almost 12000 miles on the clock, and with a lifetime average of 4.65 miles per kWh is currently showing 261 mile range on a full charge, it was 263 when I took delivery.
A very good video👍 In relation to battery health, I have a 2017 Renault Zoe that has done about 130,000 miles, it has almost always been changed to 100%, has been regularly discharged to zero or even below zero, so it has been totally abused because I needed the range and it has lost about 20% battery capacity which I don't think is too bad. My long range Tesla Model Y has done 48,000 miles in 15 months and I haven't noticed any loss of range.
Hi Ian, I look forward to watching your videos on Friday. Always interesting and today very informative, particularly about the $60k CA battery pack craziness.
Hi Ian, happy new year to you and yours. All the best for 2024. I must have watched all of your videos now: fantastic and I hope you keep these up. I am only 2 weeks into having a Tesla Model Y AWD. Loving it. When you are filming, are you using a combination of mobile and gopro? Looking at some of the comments below, I agree that the voice commands are amazing: I can't belive a Tesla undertands easily my Scottish accent. I do not have a home charger and the Tesla Supercharging network is good enough for me at present.
Hi Ian. Enjoying your videos. With regard to battery charging a number of comments suggest charging to 80% unless preparing for a long journey. I have a 2023 Tesla y which has a newer battery and the recommendation is that it should be charged to 100% once a week. As far as cost to run my Tesla it has covered 5000 miles and the cost which is nearly all home charging is £151. Delighted.
One thing with air suspension (Im writing this as Im watching and pausing).... I used to have a car with a similar setup (mag ride) and for day to day I would just have it on normal. Yes it was great on comfort mode but depending on where you live and when you might "snap", It was just a pain to keep changing modes unless you have a direct button for a particular mode but even then in my case at least, I just had to settle with something in between.... Nice to have options though :)
Thanks Ian for answering the question👍🏻. As I said, I’ve not had phantom braking, although there have been occasions where the car has sh@t itself and applied the brakes these occasions have all been understandable - such as parked cars near to guardian angels that you need to weave through. But I also find the same frustration as you as regards the car picking up the wrong speed limit. I drive the A 75 between Gretna and Stranraer maybe a dozen times a year, and this has a 40 mph limit for trucks only. Yet every time the car sees the 40, it limits autopilot to 40…just as you experience in the Schools 20 zones. It just makes me think full self driving is a long way off if cars are so easily confused. Anyway, thanks for the interesting and informative channel and I wish you and yours all the best for 2024
Many thanks! Perhaps because I have had a succession of cars with automated braking systems I am used to them over-reacting. Then again I have paid extra cash in the past to have such a system than not (the 2nd Outlander cost £lots more in tax as the autonomous braking option pushed the list price above £40k)
A key reason batteries in phones and laptops etc degrade is due to lack of thermal management, and this is why EV batteries are lasting a long time because they are very carefully thermally managed by the car.
Hi Ian Happy Nearly New Year to you Re the voice controls, they have been excellent since the update to the British English voice r reconciliation I use it a fair bit since Dan
Off topic, slightly. Have you ( or anyone reading this ) watched the YT video of the Scottish lady trying to use ALEXA? It's an absolute hoot lolol. Another great video Ian. A very Happy New Year to you and you family, and look forward to your 2024 content 🙂
I have consistently good and bad results: Consistently good: Set Temperature 21 degrees, Navigate Home, show energy graph, show superchargers Consistently bad: defog the windscreen (turns on dome light or fog light), set wipers slow/medium/fast (does something else entirely). Navigate to postcode xyz (navigates somewhere else completely)
I recommend that you try the voice commands. It took me a while to learn the ideocracies of the voice command system. For example I have found that if you want to call someone using voice commands you can simply say call John. Sometimes if you say call (persons first name and last name) it confuses the name. It will usually get it right the first time if you just say John and even show you their home number and their cell number on the screen so you can chose the one you want. You can also say I am cold and it will raise the cabin temperature 2 degrees and if you say I am hot it will lower the cabin temperature by two degrees. I also recently discovered that if you have an I Phone and have Siri turned on you can just say Siri send text message to (persons name) and dictate the message you want sent and she will repeat what you dictated and ask if this is the message you want sent. If you reply yes send it will be sent. There are so many different ways to use these systems it is a bit of a learning curve to get them to do what you want. It sort of like learning Word and Excel, you simply learn by doing.
Like you I had a Mitsubishi Outlander and the voice control would have been funny if it wasn't dangerous. Trying to phone someone in particular was impossible trying to phone my wife it insisted I wanted a builder. However my experience of Tesla is good (the only easy way to open the glove box)but it lacks some controls eg wipers or lights which dont always come on in fog.
Few queries after having a Model Y for three months now. 1. Is there a way to get Tesla to update their satnav routes? It often sends me silly routes and doesn't align with what Waze or Google tells me. I end up having to run Waze on my phone at the same time just to be sure. 2. Any way to get the fog lights as a short cut on the bottom of the screen? 3. Why are the wipers so uber sensitive?? Thanks Andy
Hiya! Point by point: 1. I know what you mean. Latest software updates let you choose routes, and the app allows you to add waypoints. Truth is that most Sat Navs try to send me routes I know aren't the way I want to go! 2. Not that I know of! 3. I've had auto wipers on practically every car for the last 20 years. They're always a pain...
For fog lights might be something possible with s3xy buttons (third party smart buttons). The current navigate to the lights menu then select rear fog lights is a bit crazy when you're driving in fog.
The Hyundai Ioniq 5 story. There was damage to the battery cooling. Replacement battery directly from Hyundai was closer to 30k (Canadian dollars?). Interestingly VW ID4 battery is US$14k.
Really enjoyed watching all your videos this year and would like to wish you a Happy New Year. I’m thinking of doing the North Cost 500 in 2024, I have a standard range single motor model Y, do you think there are enough chargers in northern Scotland to do this without any major worries?
Plenty of chargers but not always reliable - perhaps a charge when there is a charger strategy. Would recommend getting a Chargeplace Scotland RFID card
No, but you can add aftermarket screens that show dials behind the steering wheel and add proper buttons. In reality is, the ouija board is easy to use, so you won't need them
no such thing. the petrol engine, powers a charger, that charges the battery. you are using expensive fuel to charge the battery. Toyota is just taking people as fools. it if far more efficient to plug in than to product heat and exhaust emissions etc to charge a very small battery in the car..
@@davidsworld5837 well the Prius alone has sold 5 million units world wide. You'll see many a fool at a unreliable charger waiting 30 minutes plus to charge up 200 miles.
Interesting stuff I don't think I would spend the sort of money that a tesla would cost but electric cars are going to happen no mater what so my thoughts are I may as well buy one next time due as I'm getting nearer to retirement I'm going to have to get use to it now or I my not bother at all .I have a hev but find it strange that people go on about ev battery life but my hybrid battery is charging and discharging on all journeys
Hi John - "they" go on about battery life because they want to scare people. As you say, the principle is simple enough and has been tested in smaller batteries on an awful lot of vehicles over the last few decades...!
@@justgetatesla be really good if you could get a model 3 2024 out of Tesla Ian and do us a video to see how you get on with the indicator buttons, particularly on roundabouts
Hold your horses a minute. That channel that reported on the Hyundai (and another there after) never said anything bad about EV's ... Just the simple fact of the prices quoted (on both occasions) came from Hyundai and they also said it didn't make sense.... If you had ever dont done the 4 year/40k miles service on your 38kw hyundai you would know what Im on about :)
@@justgetatesla It might not be but it is what both Hyundai dealers quoted and Im sure they didn't pull the same amount out of thin air... I dont think you watched the other one after that...
@@justgetatesla You will have to forgive me but I did not see anything untoward on what I saw as being no more than a report... Im not being funny about it either since I have 5 EV's in my household including teslas and hyundai's and a nissan and Ive sponsored them all... Dealers never want to do warranty work really since they have to charge the manufacturer less money than they charge the likes of you and me.
I did watch the other video. It’s a “go away” price. But they titled a video “the battery costs more than a brand new car” - and we all know that simply isn’t true.
Looking at that picture of the quote it says the list price is 6649.98, but then says 56649.98 in the total column. So its either been fat fingered or photoshopped
I assumed that the column showing unit price didn't have enough space for all the numerals. Either way, the premise of the video is a straight up distortion of both reality and sanity. For the purpose of clickbaiting morons
Hi Ian I have heard a rumour that Tesla is planning to open a new store with superchargers on the east side of the A9 @ Inverness . Have also heard they are planning Superchargers in Brora. I have been a contented Tesla driver for excess of 80k miles over 6 years so far. As I live on Orkney any good news for the N/W of Scotland interests me. As you are a realist on E/Vs I hope you can ask the Aberdeen Store if there is any truth in these rumours Cheers 17:37
Spin the question back around and ask it about petrol (7x more likely) or diseasal (11x more likely). Why are some people obsessed by the risk of EV fire when its such a smaller risk than what they drive?
If my car set on fire I would use the mechanical door releases - the ones that morons keep saying don't exist - to get out. But as I have such a low chance of needing to do that, I am not worried. And I keep reading about how battery fires can't be put out and fuel fires can. And yet all the big fires in 2023 highlighted by EV haters turned out to be fuel car fires they couldn't put out - Luton Airport AND the Fremantle Highway...
a petrol car has problems with horsepower dropping with age. the engine gets dirty and so uses more fuel to run. there was the top gear episode were they check 3 old cars. this would be the same as battery degratation. once again geoff buys cars and macmaster wales trip 400 miles. they did cost but it was not correctly done. it was making the ev more than an old diesel getting apx 32 miles a gallon . geoff took the cost to charge the ev BEFORE the start of the trip to charge to 100% yet did not put his diesel cost to fill before the start. if you look you clearly see incorrect sums being used. i would say it is so easy to make every trip slower, and more expensive if you use a rubbish ev like a taycan that gets under 2 miles to a unit of electricity. it would be different with any ev that does more than 4 miles which there are lots. the only thing lee shows is that he got the wrong car. and its rubbish. lee also bring up servicing being over £600 to change cabin filter, replacing windscreen wash, etc every thing a normal garage can do cheaply. once again expensive car ripping off people with no brains. i would say nothing of what they are doing if needed to be done. can not be done for less than a £100.
The days of an ice needing a de coke are long gone put in the correct grade of fuel and use the correct oil and filter there is minimal degradation In an engine in fact they get better with time ,correct and proper servicing like anything else pays dividends
@@Royboy50 Total nonsense, all things degrade over time, just like lithium ion, all combustion engines lose efficiency and power no matter what. Entropy, Cant cheat the laws of thermodynamics, someone didn't pay attention in science class.
My car, a model 3 LFP, which is charged to 100% overnight on my home charger, and between 50-80% when supercharging on a long trip, is now 18 months old and has almost 12000 miles on the clock, and with a lifetime average of 4.65 miles per kWh is currently showing 261 mile range on a full charge, it was 263 when I took delivery.
A very good video👍
In relation to battery health, I have a 2017 Renault Zoe that has done about 130,000 miles, it has almost always been changed to 100%, has been regularly discharged to zero or even below zero, so it has been totally abused because I needed the range and it has lost about 20% battery capacity which I don't think is too bad.
My long range Tesla Model Y has done 48,000 miles in 15 months and I haven't noticed any loss of range.
Another brilliant video Ian. Very informative and helpful. Keep up the great work! Brilliant channel. Happy New Year in advance to you!
Hi Ian, I look forward to watching your videos on Friday. Always interesting and today very informative, particularly about the $60k CA battery pack craziness.
“Next to the old chap” 😂😂😂 classic!
Great film again - love the bluntness and honesty of your answers .
Hi Ian, happy new year to you and yours. All the best for 2024. I must have watched all of your videos now: fantastic and I hope you keep these up. I am only 2 weeks into having a Tesla Model Y AWD. Loving it. When you are filming, are you using a combination of mobile and gopro? Looking at some of the comments below, I agree that the voice commands are amazing: I can't belive a Tesla undertands easily my Scottish accent. I do not have a home charger and the Tesla Supercharging network is good enough for me at present.
Thanks for the feedback! Yes I use a combination of iPhone Pro Max 15 and GoPro Hero 10.
Hi Ian, good Q&A session. Thank you for your very enjoyable balanced videos and I wish you well for 2024. Happy New Year mate.
Hi Ian. Enjoying your videos. With regard to battery charging a number of comments suggest charging to 80% unless preparing for a long journey. I have a 2023 Tesla y which has a newer battery and the recommendation is that it should be charged to 100% once a week. As far as cost to run my Tesla it has covered 5000 miles and the cost which is nearly all home charging is £151. Delighted.
Yes, you’ll have an LFP battery pack, and they are happier at 100% charge than the bigger NCA packs
Seasons Greetings Ian and thanks for all your interesting and amusing videos during 2023. Look forward to your 2024 content.
Great video lots of common sense very refreshing.
One thing with air suspension (Im writing this as Im watching and pausing).... I used to have a car with a similar setup (mag ride) and for day to day I would just have it on normal. Yes it was great on comfort mode but depending on where you live and when you might "snap", It was just a pain to keep changing modes unless you have a direct button for a particular mode but even then in my case at least, I just had to settle with something in between.... Nice to have options though :)
HI Ian, a great video and good chance to dispel myths.
Thanks Ian for answering the question👍🏻. As I said, I’ve not had phantom braking, although there have been occasions where the car has sh@t itself and applied the brakes these occasions have all been understandable - such as parked cars near to guardian angels that you need to weave through. But I also find the same frustration as you as regards the car picking up the wrong speed limit. I drive the A 75 between Gretna and Stranraer maybe a dozen times a year, and this has a 40 mph limit for trucks only. Yet every time the car sees the 40, it limits autopilot to 40…just as you experience in the Schools 20 zones. It just makes me think full self driving is a long way off if cars are so easily confused. Anyway, thanks for the interesting and informative channel and I wish you and yours all the best for 2024
Many thanks! Perhaps because I have had a succession of cars with automated braking systems I am used to them over-reacting. Then again I have paid extra cash in the past to have such a system than not (the 2nd Outlander cost £lots more in tax as the autonomous braking option pushed the list price above £40k)
A key reason batteries in phones and laptops etc degrade is due to lack of thermal management, and this is why EV batteries are lasting a long time because they are very carefully thermally managed by the car.
Hi Ian, things that you would like...Woudn't you like a better turning circle?
It’s not that big a deal - and not the worst I’ve had on a car (that was the Volvo S90 on 20” wheels)
Hi Ian
Happy Nearly New Year to you
Re the voice controls, they have been excellent since the update to the British English voice r reconciliation
I use it a fair bit since
Dan
Hi! Have you tried/thought about a cluster display for your Tesla? I have a limited peripheral left sigh and relying on the left display is a bit hard
I did install one. Briefly. Didn’t go well… 😳
Great video Ian. Happy New Year.
Off topic, slightly. Have you ( or anyone reading this ) watched the YT video of the Scottish lady trying to use ALEXA? It's an absolute hoot lolol. Another great video Ian. A very Happy New Year to you and you family, and look forward to your 2024 content 🙂
You should consider trying the voice controls in your Tesla....I generally have felt the same as yourself but find my Tesla has very good results.
I have consistently good and bad results:
Consistently good: Set Temperature 21 degrees, Navigate Home, show energy graph, show superchargers
Consistently bad: defog the windscreen (turns on dome light or fog light), set wipers slow/medium/fast (does something else entirely). Navigate to postcode xyz (navigates somewhere else completely)
@@anthonydyer3939 😂 yes I just use the ones that work consistently
Good Q&A, Ian.
My wife has a question: "not seen that before, is that a new jumper he got for Christmas?"
I wouldn't have even noticed 😊
😂😘
I recommend that you try the voice commands. It took me a while to learn the ideocracies of the voice command system. For example I have found that if you want to call someone using voice commands you can simply say call John. Sometimes if you say call (persons first name and last name) it confuses the name. It will usually get it right the first time if you just say John and even show you their home number and their cell number on the screen so you can chose the one you want. You can also say I am cold and it will raise the cabin temperature 2 degrees and if you say I am hot it will lower the cabin temperature by two degrees. I also recently discovered that if you have an I Phone and have Siri turned on you can just say Siri send text message to (persons name) and dictate the message you want sent and she will repeat what you dictated and ask if this is the message you want sent. If you reply yes send it will be sent. There are so many different ways to use these systems it is a bit of a learning curve to get them to do what you want. It sort of like learning Word and Excel, you simply learn by doing.
Like you I had a Mitsubishi Outlander and the voice control would have been funny if it wasn't dangerous. Trying to phone someone in particular was impossible trying to phone my wife it insisted I wanted a builder. However my experience of Tesla is good (the only easy way to open the glove box)but it lacks some controls eg wipers or lights which dont always come on in fog.
Few queries after having a Model Y for three months now.
1. Is there a way to get Tesla to update their satnav routes? It often sends me silly routes and doesn't align with what Waze or Google tells me. I end up having to run Waze on my phone at the same time just to be sure.
2. Any way to get the fog lights as a short cut on the bottom of the screen?
3. Why are the wipers so uber sensitive??
Thanks Andy
Hiya! Point by point:
1. I know what you mean. Latest software updates let you choose routes, and the app allows you to add waypoints. Truth is that most Sat Navs try to send me routes I know aren't the way I want to go!
2. Not that I know of!
3. I've had auto wipers on practically every car for the last 20 years. They're always a pain...
For fog lights might be something possible with s3xy buttons (third party smart buttons).
The current navigate to the lights menu then select rear fog lights is a bit crazy when you're driving in fog.
The Hyundai Ioniq 5 story. There was damage to the battery cooling. Replacement battery directly from Hyundai was closer to 30k (Canadian dollars?). Interestingly VW ID4 battery is US$14k.
Really enjoyed watching all your videos this year and would like to wish you a Happy New Year. I’m thinking of doing the North Cost 500 in 2024, I have a standard range single motor model Y, do you think there are enough chargers in northern Scotland to do this without any major worries?
*coast
Plenty of chargers but not always reliable - perhaps a charge when there is a charger strategy. Would recommend getting a Chargeplace Scotland RFID card
Thanks Ian
Are Tesla going to put proper dials and switches on the dashboard instead of the Wee Gee board which is from the devil LOL
No, but you can add aftermarket screens that show dials behind the steering wheel and add proper buttons.
In reality is, the ouija board is easy to use, so you won't need them
What's your opinion on self charging hybrids like Toyota's range.
They do a job! As the video showed we had a Hyundai Ioniq HEV
no such thing. the petrol engine, powers a charger, that charges the battery. you are using expensive fuel to charge the battery. Toyota is just taking people as fools.
it if far more efficient to plug in than to product heat and exhaust emissions etc to charge a very small battery in the car..
@@davidsworld5837 well the Prius alone has sold 5 million units world wide. You'll see many a fool at a unreliable charger waiting 30 minutes plus to charge up 200 miles.
Interesting stuff I don't think I would spend the sort of money that a tesla would cost but electric cars are going to happen no mater what so my thoughts are I may as well buy one next time due as I'm getting nearer to retirement I'm going to have to get use to it now or I my not bother at all .I have a hev but find it strange that people go on about ev battery life but my hybrid battery is charging and discharging on all journeys
Hi John - "they" go on about battery life because they want to scare people. As you say, the principle is simple enough and has been tested in smaller batteries on an awful lot of vehicles over the last few decades...!
When your lease is up on your MY, would you have another, which potentially would have the daft indicator system now used on the M3 Highland? TIA
Yes I would, and I don't have an issue with switching stalks for buttons
@@justgetatesla be really good if you could get a model 3 2024 out of Tesla Ian and do us a video to see how you get on with the indicator buttons, particularly on roundabouts
I should be able to test one as soon they have one!
Hold your horses a minute. That channel that reported on the Hyundai (and another there after) never said anything bad about EV's ... Just the simple fact of the prices quoted (on both occasions) came from Hyundai and they also said it didn't make sense.... If you had ever dont done the 4 year/40k miles service on your 38kw hyundai you would know what Im on about :)
They published video with clickbait titles and thumbnails. The cost of a battery pack is NOT what is claimed.
To be fair, with that first video picking up over a million views, their clickbait has clearly worked…
@@justgetatesla It might not be but it is what both Hyundai dealers quoted and Im sure they didn't pull the same amount out of thin air... I dont think you watched the other one after that...
@@justgetatesla You will have to forgive me but I did not see anything untoward on what I saw as being no more than a report... Im not being funny about it either since I have 5 EV's in my household including teslas and hyundai's and a nissan and Ive sponsored them all... Dealers never want to do warranty work really since they have to charge the manufacturer less money than they charge the likes of you and me.
I did watch the other video. It’s a “go away” price. But they titled a video “the battery costs more than a brand new car” - and we all know that simply isn’t true.
Looking at that picture of the quote it says the list price is 6649.98, but then says 56649.98 in the total column. So its either been fat fingered or photoshopped
I assumed that the column showing unit price didn't have enough space for all the numerals. Either way, the premise of the video is a straight up distortion of both reality and sanity. For the purpose of clickbaiting morons
Hi Ian
I have heard a rumour that Tesla is planning to open a new store with superchargers on the east side of the A9 @ Inverness . Have also heard they are planning Superchargers in Brora. I have been a contented Tesla driver for excess of 80k miles over 6 years so far. As I live on Orkney any good news for the N/W of Scotland interests me. As you are a realist on E/Vs I hope you can ask the Aberdeen Store if there is any truth in these rumours
Cheers 17:37
Both true! A new supercharger at the Raigmore shopping park, and one in Brora! Both are in their map
Isn't it risk from fire rather than risk of fire that's more important ?
Spin the question back around and ask it about petrol (7x more likely) or diseasal (11x more likely).
Why are some people obsessed by the risk of EV fire when its such a smaller risk than what they drive?
@@justgetateslahe’s really asking about what happens after the fire. In other words, less likely but worse when alight?
If my car set on fire I would use the mechanical door releases - the ones that morons keep saying don't exist - to get out. But as I have such a low chance of needing to do that, I am not worried. And I keep reading about how battery fires can't be put out and fuel fires can. And yet all the big fires in 2023 highlighted by EV haters turned out to be fuel car fires they couldn't put out - Luton Airport AND the Fremantle Highway...
Is the accelerator pedal still referred to as a throttle normal for these electric buggies
Throttle. Gas. Power. Loud. Go. Whatever you like 😉
I would like an electric frunk, as I am sure I would use it a lot more. I can’t remember the last time I opened the frunk
a petrol car has problems with horsepower dropping with age. the engine gets dirty and so uses more fuel to run. there was the top gear episode were they check 3 old cars. this would be the same as battery degratation.
once again geoff buys cars and macmaster wales trip 400 miles. they did cost but it was not correctly done. it was making the ev more than an old diesel getting apx 32 miles a gallon .
geoff took the cost to charge the ev BEFORE the start of the trip to charge to 100% yet did not put his diesel cost to fill before the start.
if you look you clearly see incorrect sums being used.
i would say it is so easy to make every trip slower, and more expensive if you use a rubbish ev like a taycan that gets under 2 miles to a unit of electricity. it would be different with any ev that does more than 4 miles which there are lots.
the only thing lee shows is that he got the wrong car. and its rubbish.
lee also bring up servicing being over £600 to change cabin filter, replacing windscreen wash, etc every thing a normal garage can do cheaply. once again expensive car ripping off people with no brains.
i would say nothing of what they are doing if needed to be done. can not be done for less than a £100.
The days of an ice needing a de coke are long gone put in the correct grade of fuel and use the correct oil and filter there is minimal degradation In an engine in fact they get better with time ,correct and proper servicing like anything else pays dividends
Taycan is not a rubbish EV. The problem is not the car.
It's possible the dealer prices for servicing are conditions of the lease.
@@Royboy50 Total nonsense, all things degrade over time, just like lithium ion, all combustion engines lose efficiency and power no matter what. Entropy, Cant cheat the laws of thermodynamics, someone didn't pay attention in science class.