Thanks Ali for the quick reviews on our new SUGO cases! Unfortunately the SUGO 15 we sent was an early pilot run sample, it has blemishes on it that will not be on mass production units. We apologize for not communicating this more clearly with him (we quoted MSRP at $179 btw). Our design goal for these cases were to create SFF cases that have the most flexibility in component accommodation while offering good performance. Enticing more people to try out SFF with as little limitation as possible. We think this goal was achieved in spades by our engineers so that 5.25" drive, liquid coolers, large air coolers, and ATX PSUs are all possible in a 20 liter case. They are not meant to duplicate or compete directly with the awesome boutique cases that already exist on the market, which we wholeheartedly support with plethora of SFX PSU options and SFF accessories.
You probably should put that into marketing more. To be honest the AIO railing could have been adjusted 5-10mm to the right so that the tubes wouldn't be on an awkward angle and prevent the top fan mounting from possibly hitting thick tubes. I think this case favors monster tower coolers that wouldn't fit those boutique cases and the Cooler Master NR200(directly in your market segment). That's the only way to distinguish you from it. Heck, they are even working on official ATX PSU support so that's probably your best selling point for this case and the ODD support. Try finding the biggest tower coolers you can fit in it even with/without slim fans on the side/top and slap it into your marketing, I'm sure there's plenty of users for that because AIO doesn't have much appeal in a non-TG case unless there is no clearance for alternatives like the old SG13.
Sugo 14 should have supported M-ATX motherboard like B450 and PSU ATX... 1 inch wider would have made it perfect but it's a testimonial of a poor engineering design...
@@Enterprise-Architect Adding one more inch to SUGO 14 & 15 would have made the case about 2 liters larger (up to 21.7 liter). At that size, it's over what many would consider small form factor (SFF). We also already had Micro-ATX cases in that size category such as SG10, SG11, and SG12 available at the time!
@@Silverstonetech If the goal was for more folks to try out sfx builds, then why did you folks not add mounting support for sfx and sfx-l power supplies especially when you sell both? It was one of the many cons from Optimium Tech that I did not see addressed in your comment. I do think it was unfair of him to compare this to a mini-itx tower case since that is a different style, but he still made some other valid criticism.
@@alexandsimba While there are many small form factor enthusiasts that are comfortable using SFX power supplies, the majority of non-small form factor users still feel more comfortable with the idea of sticking with ATX PSUs. So that's why SUGO 14 and 15 were designed with ATX PSU mounting in mind. Plus we already have plenty of small form factor cases that take SFX PSU already on the market, so there's still plenty of choices. With that said, our latest SUGO 16 now has native mounting holes for both SFX and ATX PSUs. Ali's opinion are of course fair based on his preference of the case layout. It was just a shame that we didn't make clear enough to him (our fault!) that the samples we sent to him were pre-production units which aren't represetative of the real quality of the production cases people can actually buy.
Yes, as early pilot run sample, the magnetic strips are cut and applied manually. Mass production SUGO 15 will not have these problems. The SUGO 14 unit in the review is a mass production sample, so its magnetic strips were cut perfectly, but Ali didn't show this.
Hi Ali (et al), I'm a huge fan of your work! I'm a SFF enthusiast, running a Dr. Zaber Sentry 1.1 - one of 12 which was customized as a 'thank you' for fans who helped a lot on the forums as the case was under design. Because of that, obviously, I don't want to build my next computer in a different case, but I'm *well* overdue for an upgrade - my GPU died some months ago and I've been using my old GTX 670 and getting random crashes. My problem is that this case has very tightly limited space, so the GPU has to fit within certain dimensions: 305mm x 140mm x 47mm. (That's length, then height, then thickness, with the thickness being measured from the back of the PCB to the bottom of the cooler.) I'm trying to do a mod which involves removing both the fans and the plastic shroud from the GPU, so that it fits in the case, and using six Noctua 40mm fans to exhaust air from the edge of the heatsink - what would be facing the case panel in a normal ATX case. In order to determine what RTX 3080 to buy (you know, once buying one is possible), I need to know the dimensions of the card as measured *without* the shroud and fans. This information would be very useful for other small form factor enthusiasts as well - especially people with the Ncase M1, where deshrouding the GPU and using 120mm intakes on the bottom of the case is an extremely common move. Unfortunately, after calling the companies in the US, the only third party GPU manufacturers willing to give me the information were Zotac and PNY, and neither had a card on hand to measure. MSI was downright insulting when I asked, and Asus escalated me to their executive contact before telling me that a measurement that could be taken by any bloke with calipers was restricted information available only to internal engineers. So... Will you guys please be my bloke with calipers? I can't afford to buy every 3rd party rtx 3080 and return all the ones that don't fit. I would really, really appreciate a spreadsheet on the 3080s you guys are sent, showing their dimensions without the fans or plastic shrouds on them. Without this information, I have no idea which 3080 to buy - the as-yet unreleased Aorus Xtreme looks close to perfect, but without knowing the actual dimensions... I don't know if this content is engaging enough for you to make a video out of, since it's very niche within the niche of SFF, and I don't know if getting those measurements is so much of a time sink that it's simply not worth it, but I *do* know that you have a lifetime fan who would really, really appreciate it if you guys were willing to take the time to measure the heatsink dimensions of the RTX 3980s that come through your studio, so I'm able to know which card I'm actually able to purchase. (Though I'll be honest, I've soured to Asus and MSI now...) Thank you very much for your time and consideration.
@@phant0m92 Airflow could also benefit a lot from putting all fans as exhaust. That way the gpu would get a constant stream of fresh air, at least in theory.
You can just flip to the side with the feet that are provided. Doing that literally makes it less tall than the NR200. It's already shorter anyway so the only measurement larger in that configuration is the 30mm of more width.
Yes, as early pilot run sample, the magnetic strips are cut and applied manually. Mass production SUGO 15 will not have these problems. The SUGO 14 unit in the review is a mass production sample, so its magnetic strips were cut perfectly, but Ali didn't show this.
I think the best thing about the SG 14 is the fact that it accepts a full size ATX PSU, a full size 5.25" drive, and a full size triple slot GPU all at once. I don't think there's a smaller case out there that has those features and can do them simultaneously.
SG11 Does all of that also with reasonable ease... and is 22.5 liters compared to SG14's 19.55 liters....3 Liters of volume/room isn't a vast difference. And the SG14 doesn't support micro atx motherboards where as the SG11 does. I'd rather take the SG11 anyday
To me, the main benefit is that it supports flagship air coolers like the D15. The NR200 messed up there at just a few mm too short. As far as I'm aware, InWin A1 is the only smaller case that has >= 160mm clearance. And on the larger side you're looking at TU150, LD03, Define Nano S, H210, etc. which are already in the 25L range. In this context, this case definitely does fill a needed usecase.
The foot print and design just doesn't make sense except for extremely rare use cases where height is a concern. The foot print is as large as many micro atx cases and even some full on atx cases. Couple that with the price and embarrassing build quality and they set themselves up for failure. There is zero excuse for this case and I think it was summed up well at the end as "borderline offensive".
Yeah he unfairly glossed over this important detail of the case's design, instead opting to focus more on radiator performance which is clearly not the its strong suit.
@@myrecommendedisallmemes It's literally less tall than the NR200 when you flip it to its side with the included case feet. The NR200 is way closer to a standard matx case than the SG14. There's a lot of "excuses" for this case especially from an entry level perspective. You can use your old ATX PSU (can't do this with an NR200), you can use this as a HTPC with disc drive support (can't do that with the NR200) and you can fit this in a smaller space than the NR200. For a price conscious builder, this is way more attractive than any SFX case for which you need to buy an overpriced worse performing SFX PSU. Your comment makes no sense.
@@CaveyMoth I got it last week, setting a chrome extension named keppa in Amazon. Budget options are the worst offenders most CPU Ryzen are out of stock or over price compare to their launch price, every time I read someone say omg Ryzen CPU are so cheap I roll my eyes.
The SG14 has a 5.25" slot -> perfect for a 4x 2.5" hot-swap backplane! I want to use it as a NAS running linux and Windows in a gaming VM with pcie passthrough to the GFX card. There is simply no other ITX case that has 1. hot swap drive capability - 2. space for huge GFX card - 3. tower CPU cooler support - 4. a ATX power supply (I'm a Seasonic fanboy).
So me comparing this to the NR200: ATX PSU support, I already have an ATX platinum unit. Can fit coolers as big as the D15, huge plus imo. Unmentioned, FITS a 5.25 Inch Bay! That means I can put a slim ODD and a hotswappable drive in the front! I'm struggling to even find nice full ATX cases with a 5.25 in bay. Additionally, I'm pretty sure graphics cards thermals would be quite a bit better if both fans were set to exhaust. The issue I might have, is I don't know how the clearance with the CPU cooler is gonna be with a hard drive were the side fan would go. I'm almost convinced.
Looked at this case through scorptec, and the pics/info supplied by silver stone... I couldn’t work out what was what. Your b roll here, with the system in it, made much more sense.
Damn. The SG14 looks so cool I was going to use it for my brother's build. It's a good thing you already posted a review. Looks like I may be doing another nr200 build. Damn you CM, and your borderline perfect case! D:
It's sadly the Silverstone way. The SG13's predecessors, the SG05/SG06 (very similar to the SG14/15 split, though they were a bit cheaper) were both so close to being great cases. But lacked in CPU cooling and GPU compatibility. Yes, even in an older era when single slot enthusiast GPUs still existed, Silverstone managed to fail at GPU compatibility.. The problem is, they never, ever fixed the SG05's core, fundamental problems. The SG13 somewhat moved to address the GPU issue, but make CPU heatsink clearance even worse (even with a SFX bracket). The FT03 mini (not the FT03) was the worst of all worlds. Minimal CPU HSF clearance, minimal GPU compatibility, and a massive fan on the bottom that required very long feet... but what was the fan blowing on, anyways? The backside of the PSU? Silverstone was always so close to creating a great case for the time/era, but just never, ever pulled it together. All they had to do was abandon the silly "single, massive intake fan will do everything" concept - it doesn't work, especially with how poorly the airflow was handled on these smaller cases. All Silverstone had to do to fix the SG13, was move the PSU up front where it should be (in the stock layout, it's all empty air up front - even the old double HDD + optical drive cages never made use of that space). That would open up space for a proper CPU cooler, rather than the few low profile heatsinks that fit - all of which are starved for fresh air, anyways. The GPU cutouts on the front of the SG13 were very similar to what SG05 and especially SG06 owners did back in the day, so it was a good design choice IMO. That's it. That's all Silverstone had to do to fix the SG13. Move the PSU mount. Oh, well. I guess they were fine with ceding the market away to a nearly endless wave of new competitors who will eat Silverstone's lunch. It's almost hard to remember that Silverstone was once a massive leader in the space of SFF cases and components. Also, for Ali, Silverstone's smaller cases have almost always exhibited somewhat poor construction quality. I've owned 5 SG05/SG06 cases over the years, and all have had the odd missed rivet, bent panel, poorly threaded screw hole, etc. None were ever acceptable for a case in their price range. I still like them, but Silverstone isn't on my shopping list anymore.
@@jeremyshaw1 Thanks for the support! I think the fix you had in mind was realized with our SG07 / SG08? These cases moved PSU to the front, had more CPU cooler and GPU clearance. There are so many ways to build SFF cases that it's difficult to say which one is the right one. Obviously the audience here prefer the boutique designs, which we like too, but vowed to not copy. SUGO 14 and 15 are our latest interpretation of SFF case that hopefully get more people to go small without too much component limitation.
@@Silverstonetech What you guys need to do, is not think airflow works by black magic by only plumping a fan in the back of front somewhere and everything will be properly cooled, thinking only negative or positive airflow only without a fan to pull it all through will do, it most likely will Not. The CS280, HDD bays gets no actual cooling At all, it's good for SSD's, but when it's filled with HDD's, especially ones from Seagate, stuff gets upto 40°C, in the summer it gets worse, airflow is complete and utter Thrash, and for such a expensive case, that's even Worse, it is Such a freakin BAD case compared to the cheaper amazing Fractal Design Node 304 which can accept 3.5" HDD's, which get excellent cooling, ATX Power Supply support and somewhat low, but decent noise cancelling. CS280 is also riddled with complains about airflow, with one guy having to annoyingly mod the case, drill holes and tape stuff, What in the living hell are you guys doing, have you guys not noticed any of it?! CS381 is slightly better, but OMG that insane price bump, nobody budget conscious would ever want to consider that thing, aside from that it has No front airflow and no proper negative airflow, not all HDD's are cooled correctly, all you had to do was put 2 cheap but good working 12cm fans on the front and leave the 2 fans in the back, maybe like Icy Dock did with their Vortex MB074SP-1B. I mean, there is even a extended review with complaints on ServeTheHome detailing some issues and with user complaints. Also nobody actually needs that expensive SAS3 backplane, nearly everyone uses SATA3 HDD's from motherboard and LSI/Broadcom HBA's or RAID expension cards. Having power though Molex and SATA is nice though, for hot swap and since 400 Watt PSU have limited cables to attach to disks. Plain simply, you guys make really nice looking cases, but all of it is half baked and based on real world results just a bad choice compared to competition or whatever i can put together myself. And NO i am NOT saying you should lazily copy the competition, what you should do is FIX your designs and actually look up the big amount of complaints and reviews on the internet And Actually >Test< your stuff, then you might actually stand up to lets say Fractal and Lian Li... Well featurewise and how nice your cases look, but price wise your stuff is sooo expensive and plain average, second rate or in some people eyes Garbage Tier (even if under your brand some really nice things were previously released).
I think standard ATX PSU compatibility is a huge plus in the current PC building scene considering prices of the SFX power supplies are pretty outrageous and that’s if you can find them in stock. They always cost more, but now they’re insane. Also, why would they need to include a SFX to ATX bracket? I thought the SFX power supplies come with those. Then again I doubt any of this matters since both the NR200 and Sugo 14 are sold out everywhere except eBay. It seems like scalpers are just buying everything that’s a new release and they won’t stop.
I agree. The CM NR200 does not accept an ATX PSU, plus there's no front USB-C port. I have a couple ATX PSU laying around somewhere. For me, the only positive is the tempered glass side of the NR200. ATM I can get a Sugo 15 cheaper than a CM NR200.
Should do a video of "smallest case that can fit an RTX 3080" I've wanted the SG13..... but as far as I know, doesn't fit the 3080. And I love the size of the SG13 :( Though, after looking at the FormedT1, I think once I see how you review it with the 3080 that'll be the case for me! I can't wait!
Nice work as always, are you interested in reviewing the updated Geeek cases? I've seen that they have updated the side panel ventilation and have a $100 alternative to cases with the FormdT1 style layout.
Really unfortunate to see these cases flop so badly... Hopefully Silverstone receives this harsh criticism in good spirits and creates a properly good SG succesor.
Great video as always, Ali! I would like to suggest doing an intro to water cooling video sometime in the future. I feel there are many members of the SFF community who consider upgrading to a custom loop somewhere down the line but get overwhelmed by the number and variety of components that go into it. I would love to hear your insights about this!
Hey Ali, If you want to get your hands on a case that is more than worthy of your time get in touch with Wintercharm from Reddit/SFF-Forum. He tried to get in touch with you regarding his flow-optimized case, which is going to launch on KS shortly. He is really open about the whole design process and the case looks promising and if his claims hold true even stomp the Formd T1 when it comes to cooling Performance. It's going to fit 2x 280 rads in the production Version plus a Rtx 3090 FE. Pls Review that case! I promise that it will not dissapoint you! That aside, thanks for this great review ❤️ (fixed a typo)
I've been very happy with the SG13 for 5 years. I've crammed 2 x 120mm AIOs in there which give me great thermals and low decibels. If I didn't go with the much smaller Dan A4 this year, I would've bought SG13 again.
I just built in the LZ7 XTD with ASUS z390i motherboard, cpu i7 9700k, gpu ASUS dual mini 2070 oc edition, cpu cooler Noctua nh-u9s. The layout is perfect. You should do a review of it.
I appreciate the ATX support. There is absolutely no justification for replacing a perfectly functional ATX power supply with a smaller one, and I'd argue that the vast majority of SFF owners are not first time owners, but people who upgrade from standard ATX.
NGL I really loved the SG15 because of its super minimalist aesthetic (also no power button because I'd like it to be via external or remote.) But what Ali did say actually make sense so I guess I need to find another case for my dream setup lol.
thx - its a much bigger case but I like your approach and would like to see u checking out the Cooler Master's SL600M case. Both air-cooled and water options.
A dated design in both form and function, price has become the SG13's most appealing aspect. I like that the motherboard lays horizontal instead of standing vertical, but its limited cooling options, nonexistent cable management and a design focused on ATX power supplies all put it pretty low on the list of cases I'd consider when downsizing my current build. With the SG14 it's pretty obvious Silverstone didn't bother to look at current trends in SFF PCs and instead opted to scale up the SG13's volume by 200% and price by 300%. Makes me question why they bothered to 'design' this case at all.
Different strokes for different folks. I 'upgraded' from a HAF XB EVO into a tiny AKKLA A4, retaining my dual water cooling. I fucking hate it. For me the SG14 represents the sweet spot of smaller form factor, transportability and a SENSIBLE LAYOUT. The horizontal build, GPU support bracket and room for top-tier cooling trumps all other concerns. It is more space efficient than a vertical, thinner design adopted by everyone else, evidenced by how much more gear I can fit in my computer bag with the SG14 compared to micro-tower style.
I have that case with artic freezer 240 with noctua nfa12 x25 fans all round its silent and keeps my 3900x very cool paired with 3 slot 2080 ti . I didn't buy it for looks but practicality its has a lot of options down the road.
@@PaladinJenkis But the RL06 and SG13 are good? I get that the RL06 is a normal tower and the SG13 isn't as compact, but it supports long GPUs and a decently compact system for fairly cheap.
The version of the SG15 he tested was a pre-production unit, I heard, so his comments on the metal finish being "flaky" need to be understood as being pre-production.
I do realize that SilverStone it's been living/banking on the success of the past, as the TJ07, the SG13 and the Raven RV02, that then can't have success /find his way with new products mean to replace the old ones (See TJ11, this SG14 and SG15 and the new Ravens) or to follow the market shift. Sad to see that, I hope it doesn't go the route that Zalman gone, where she was a very worthy competitor back in the S939/S478 with their CNPS line and then didn't follow the market, falling into dismay, combined with some financial scandals. I don't think so, it is a lot more stable than Zalman was, but It would be sad to see a company who gave some benchmarks in terms of case designs and accessories fall, as what happened with CaseLabs for example.
The Tech Buyer's Guru warned them about ditching the atx power supply compatibly during their press event, and they still ignored him. Mini-itx enthusiast want compact cases, unless they are going for a custom water-cooling build and that is usually for towers with a window.
Silverstone should just update the console Raven series, sg13, and definitely the old school mATX TJ08e. For the TJ08e, update the drive mount system, make it more sata ssd friendly, and just remove the bottom 5.25in slot so you can mount hopefully two front 140mm fans.
Looks like Silverstone has lowered the price to $118 which seems better, but it's still competing with the $90 NR200. At least now it comes down to whether you have an SFX power supply and are willing to take on the SG14's compromises.
I think the only main reason why this case even exists (mainly the SG14) is to house the RTX3080 for SFF users. Size and spec wise you can fit in a surprisingly huge amount of weird stuff inside if you go with the air cooling option and it just seems to scream for a high end GPU to get installed by letting you stuff in an ATX PSU inside. I wouldn't say this is the best case out there, but I think the basic logic behind this case is for you to stuff a crap ton of hardware inside while still keeping it reasonably small.
thanks for the review. i wonder if the thermals could be improved if you squeezed another 120mm fan onto the top side panel. for me ,being able to fit 2 3.5inch drives into the sg14 is a plus, though thermally it's worse than nr200p.
That's rough, SilverStone. At least it's not as bad as the Fractal Design Era ITX, but "mediocre" is still hard to recommend when the competition is putting out such good stuff.
Thanks for the honest, “no holding back” review.
Thanks Ali for the quick reviews on our new SUGO cases! Unfortunately the SUGO 15 we sent was an early pilot run sample, it has blemishes on it that will not be on mass production units. We apologize for not communicating this more clearly with him (we quoted MSRP at $179 btw). Our design goal for these cases were to create SFF cases that have the most flexibility in component accommodation while offering good performance. Enticing more people to try out SFF with as little limitation as possible. We think this goal was achieved in spades by our engineers so that 5.25" drive, liquid coolers, large air coolers, and ATX PSUs are all possible in a 20 liter case. They are not meant to duplicate or compete directly with the awesome boutique cases that already exist on the market, which we wholeheartedly support with plethora of SFX PSU options and SFF accessories.
You probably should put that into marketing more. To be honest the AIO railing could have been adjusted 5-10mm to the right so that the tubes wouldn't be on an awkward angle and prevent the top fan mounting from possibly hitting thick tubes.
I think this case favors monster tower coolers that wouldn't fit those boutique cases and the Cooler Master NR200(directly in your market segment). That's the only way to distinguish you from it. Heck, they are even working on official ATX PSU support so that's probably your best selling point for this case and the ODD support.
Try finding the biggest tower coolers you can fit in it even with/without slim fans on the side/top and slap it into your marketing, I'm sure there's plenty of users for that because AIO doesn't have much appeal in a non-TG case unless there is no clearance for alternatives like the old SG13.
Sugo 14 should have supported M-ATX motherboard like B450 and PSU ATX... 1 inch wider would have made it perfect but it's a testimonial of a poor engineering design...
@@Enterprise-Architect Adding one more inch to SUGO 14 & 15 would have made the case about 2 liters larger (up to 21.7 liter). At that size, it's over what many would consider small form factor (SFF). We also already had Micro-ATX cases in that size category such as SG10, SG11, and SG12 available at the time!
@@Silverstonetech If the goal was for more folks to try out sfx builds, then why did you folks not add mounting support for sfx and sfx-l power supplies especially when you sell both?
It was one of the many cons from Optimium Tech that I did not see addressed in your comment.
I do think it was unfair of him to compare this to a mini-itx tower case since that is a different style, but he still made some other valid criticism.
@@alexandsimba While there are many small form factor enthusiasts that are comfortable using SFX power supplies, the majority of non-small form factor users still feel more comfortable with the idea of sticking with ATX PSUs. So that's why SUGO 14 and 15 were designed with ATX PSU mounting in mind. Plus we already have plenty of small form factor cases that take SFX PSU already on the market, so there's still plenty of choices. With that said, our latest SUGO 16 now has native mounting holes for both SFX and ATX PSUs.
Ali's opinion are of course fair based on his preference of the case layout. It was just a shame that we didn't make clear enough to him (our fault!) that the samples we sent to him were pre-production units which aren't represetative of the real quality of the production cases people can actually buy.
"looks like it was cut with a stapler" LOL
Yes, as early pilot run sample, the magnetic strips are cut and applied manually. Mass production SUGO 15 will not have these problems. The SUGO 14 unit in the review is a mass production sample, so its magnetic strips were cut perfectly, but Ali didn't show this.
This is my new favorite quote
@@Silverstonetech Silverstone probably should not give such a poor quality sample to a reviewer, even if it is a pre-market sample.
@@Silverstonetech hello there
@@knnxu at least disclose if it's pre production sample to avoid this kind of misconception
Hi Ali (et al), I'm a huge fan of your work!
I'm a SFF enthusiast, running a Dr. Zaber Sentry 1.1 - one of 12 which was customized as a 'thank you' for fans who helped a lot on the forums as the case was under design.
Because of that, obviously, I don't want to build my next computer in a different case, but I'm *well* overdue for an upgrade - my GPU died some months ago and I've been using my old GTX 670 and getting random crashes.
My problem is that this case has very tightly limited space, so the GPU has to fit within certain dimensions: 305mm x 140mm x 47mm.
(That's length, then height, then thickness, with the thickness being measured from the back of the PCB to the bottom of the cooler.)
I'm trying to do a mod which involves removing both the fans and the plastic shroud from the GPU, so that it fits in the case, and using six Noctua 40mm fans to exhaust air from the edge of the heatsink - what would be facing the case panel in a normal ATX case.
In order to determine what RTX 3080 to buy (you know, once buying one is possible), I need to know the dimensions of the card as measured *without* the shroud and fans.
This information would be very useful for other small form factor enthusiasts as well - especially people with the Ncase M1, where deshrouding the GPU and using 120mm intakes on the bottom of the case is an extremely common move.
Unfortunately, after calling the companies in the US, the only third party GPU manufacturers willing to give me the information were Zotac and PNY, and neither had a card on hand to measure. MSI was downright insulting when I asked, and Asus escalated me to their executive contact before telling me that a measurement that could be taken by any bloke with calipers was restricted information available only to internal engineers.
So... Will you guys please be my bloke with calipers? I can't afford to buy every 3rd party rtx 3080 and return all the ones that don't fit.
I would really, really appreciate a spreadsheet on the 3080s you guys are sent, showing their dimensions without the fans or plastic shrouds on them. Without this information, I have no idea which 3080 to buy - the as-yet unreleased Aorus Xtreme looks close to perfect, but without knowing the actual dimensions...
I don't know if this content is engaging enough for you to make a video out of, since it's very niche within the niche of SFF, and I don't know if getting those measurements is so much of a time sink that it's simply not worth it, but I *do* know that you have a lifetime fan who would really, really appreciate it if you guys were willing to take the time to measure the heatsink dimensions of the RTX 3980s that come through your studio, so I'm able to know which card I'm actually able to purchase. (Though I'll be honest, I've soured to Asus and MSI now...)
Thank you very much for your time and consideration.
Evga 3080 xc3 can fit into sentry without any mods.
It can, yes, but from what I've seen, it's not a great solution for thermals or noise.
@@werdfeefs7027 sentry is relatively limited regarding gpu ventilation, so don't count on any miracles. Evga should work fine enough.
You could attempt to find the width of the heatsink by comparing it to an HDMI port or something for size.
@@achilleaustin4477 you can also take the total width and subtract 12-15 mm, fans are usually around there
Such a good and honest review.
Disappointing to see that they didn't follow with the success of the SG13.
Thanks Ali as always
I was really hoping to find the sequel to the Corsair 250D with this one. 😑
Yeah I was expecting sg13 version 2
Well after these pointers, the next case from them ought to be good, right?
@@phant0m92 Airflow could also benefit a lot from putting all fans as exhaust. That way the gpu would get a constant stream of fresh air, at least in theory.
It really does look like a microwave.
Lmao when he said that, I can't unsee it.
@@sebastianm.2901 it has been done, I'm quite certain!
I think my 304 is more microwavey. Particularly if you get it in white. Which SFF case is the microwaviest?
A server
You can just flip to the side with the feet that are provided. Doing that literally makes it less tall than the NR200. It's already shorter anyway so the only measurement larger in that configuration is the 30mm of more width.
3:25 “Looks like it was cut with a STAPLER” ooof
Yes, as early pilot run sample, the magnetic strips are cut and applied manually. Mass production SUGO 15 will not have these problems. The SUGO 14 unit in the review is a mass production sample, so its magnetic strips were cut perfectly, but Ali didn't show this.
Silverstonetech good to know! Love your stuff - probably gotta be more careful sending early review samples.
The quality in your videos keeps getting better and better. Gold standard for reviewers
I think the best thing about the SG 14 is the fact that it accepts a full size ATX PSU, a full size 5.25" drive, and a full size triple slot GPU all at once. I don't think there's a smaller case out there that has those features and can do them simultaneously.
SG11 Does all of that also with reasonable ease... and is 22.5 liters compared to SG14's 19.55 liters....3 Liters of volume/room isn't a vast difference.
And the SG14 doesn't support micro atx motherboards where as the SG11 does. I'd rather take the SG11 anyday
Appreciate the honesty/transparency on this channel!
SG13 will still be my favourite microwave-case!
The forever gateway drug into the world of teeny tiny pcs, and perfectly suited for the kind of hardware that should go in a £40 case.
I made mine look like an antique radio with bronze gold base and grey silver front panel.
@@SaruwatariMasahiro that's pretty dope ngl
As always, a huge thanks for making this! Negative reviews are as important as positive ones, even if they're harder to do.
The Tech Buyer's Guru did a really good review on this one.
God I look forward to these videos. I blame this channel for my path to SFF :)
Thanks for the honest review. Keep up the good work! Thumbs up!!
Thanks for making your videos' aspect ratio big enough so that it's not ridiculously distorted when i zoom to fill my screen on the s10e!
I swapped my case to this one and absolutely love it.
The line about the magnetic tape being cut by a stapler literally made me spit out my drink. Well done.
To me, the main benefit is that it supports flagship air coolers like the D15. The NR200 messed up there at just a few mm too short.
As far as I'm aware, InWin A1 is the only smaller case that has >= 160mm clearance. And on the larger side you're looking at TU150, LD03, Define Nano S, H210, etc. which are already in the 25L range. In this context, this case definitely does fill a needed usecase.
The foot print and design just doesn't make sense except for extremely rare use cases where height is a concern. The foot print is as large as many micro atx cases and even some full on atx cases. Couple that with the price and embarrassing build quality and they set themselves up for failure. There is zero excuse for this case and I think it was summed up well at the end as "borderline offensive".
@@myrecommendedisallmemes Well you can flip it to its GPU side in order to reduce the footprint. It comes with 4 longer case feet for this purpose.
Yeah he unfairly glossed over this important detail of the case's design, instead opting to focus more on radiator performance which is clearly not the its strong suit.
@@myrecommendedisallmemes It's literally less tall than the NR200 when you flip it to its side with the included case feet. The NR200 is way closer to a standard matx case than the SG14.
There's a lot of "excuses" for this case especially from an entry level perspective. You can use your old ATX PSU (can't do this with an NR200), you can use this as a HTPC with disc drive support (can't do that with the NR200) and you can fit this in a smaller space than the NR200. For a price conscious builder, this is way more attractive than any SFX case for which you need to buy an overpriced worse performing SFX PSU.
Your comment makes no sense.
Just when I thought I couldn't want an NR200 even more.
out of stock everywhere though, at least where I am in the world.
As long as you can find it in stock.
All the good things are out of stock these days. It's impossible to get a good PC build going
@@CaveyMoth I got it last week, setting a chrome extension named keppa in Amazon. Budget options are the worst offenders most CPU Ryzen are out of stock or over price compare to their launch price, every time I read someone say omg Ryzen CPU are so cheap I roll my eyes.
Literally all they had to do was extend the SG13 a little bit to fit longer cards.... That's it.
Silverstone: Hmmm...these SFF cases are charging $200, let's charge $200 too!
Always love your detailed and honest case reviews :)
Just built a portable system for myself in the SG13, brilliant case especially for the price. Thanks for the review of these new ones
Seriously you have the best channel intro...So fuckin clean
It's just as important to know what NOT to buy as what TO buy. Thanks for the video!!!
The SG14 has a 5.25" slot -> perfect for a 4x 2.5" hot-swap backplane! I want to use it as a NAS running linux and Windows in a gaming VM with pcie passthrough to the GFX card. There is simply no other ITX case that has 1. hot swap drive capability - 2. space for huge GFX card - 3. tower CPU cooler support - 4. a ATX power supply (I'm a Seasonic fanboy).
So me comparing this to the NR200:
ATX PSU support, I already have an ATX platinum unit.
Can fit coolers as big as the D15, huge plus imo.
Unmentioned, FITS a 5.25 Inch Bay! That means I can put a slim ODD and a hotswappable drive in the front! I'm struggling to even find nice full ATX cases with a 5.25 in bay.
Additionally, I'm pretty sure graphics cards thermals would be quite a bit better if both fans were set to exhaust.
The issue I might have, is I don't know how the clearance with the CPU cooler is gonna be with a hard drive were the side fan would go.
I'm almost convinced.
After waiting 2 months for an nr200 to come in stock, I finally obtained one and it is incredible
Where did they pull that pricing from? Hilarious that they think it’s appropriate given how many good cases are around now.
Love the honesty 👌
Thank you very much. Another great video. I'll be building in January or so. The NR200 is still my number one choice still. Thank you again.
"Looks like it was cut with a stapler" took me out LMAO
Damn bro, that was tough love. Thanks for being honest
almost 2 years using sg13... I"m still love it
(R5 3600 stock cooler, RX 590 Sapphire Pulse, corsair sf600)
The NR200 doesn‘t have a 5.25“ bay. The SG14 does. So in my case the SG14 is a much better choice than the NR200.
Looked at this case through scorptec, and the pics/info supplied by silver stone... I couldn’t work out what was what. Your b roll here, with the system in it, made much more sense.
Is this a Sachtler Flowtech tripod at 4:25? You're probably as deep into camera gear as you are into PC stuff, aren't you?
How were you able to recognize that out of focus? Lol
@@volatilepz I just bought a new tripod and wasted way too much time on research. I can probably identify any tripod or fluid head now, lol.
@@techlessYT That is the same with me for pc hardware.
Same with me for IEMs sometimes watching performances I would go, ayeeee they are using a Shure SE215 or they are using FitEar monitors
What the heck!!
Damn. The SG14 looks so cool I was going to use it for my brother's build. It's a good thing you already posted a review. Looks like I may be doing another nr200 build. Damn you CM, and your borderline perfect case! D:
Sugo 14 is a good case, optimum was harsh in his review
Releasing 2 tone-deaf cases is very on-brand for 2020 tbh
It's sadly the Silverstone way. The SG13's predecessors, the SG05/SG06 (very similar to the SG14/15 split, though they were a bit cheaper) were both so close to being great cases. But lacked in CPU cooling and GPU compatibility. Yes, even in an older era when single slot enthusiast GPUs still existed, Silverstone managed to fail at GPU compatibility..
The problem is, they never, ever fixed the SG05's core, fundamental problems. The SG13 somewhat moved to address the GPU issue, but make CPU heatsink clearance even worse (even with a SFX bracket). The FT03 mini (not the FT03) was the worst of all worlds. Minimal CPU HSF clearance, minimal GPU compatibility, and a massive fan on the bottom that required very long feet... but what was the fan blowing on, anyways? The backside of the PSU?
Silverstone was always so close to creating a great case for the time/era, but just never, ever pulled it together. All they had to do was abandon the silly "single, massive intake fan will do everything" concept - it doesn't work, especially with how poorly the airflow was handled on these smaller cases.
All Silverstone had to do to fix the SG13, was move the PSU up front where it should be (in the stock layout, it's all empty air up front - even the old double HDD + optical drive cages never made use of that space). That would open up space for a proper CPU cooler, rather than the few low profile heatsinks that fit - all of which are starved for fresh air, anyways. The GPU cutouts on the front of the SG13 were very similar to what SG05 and especially SG06 owners did back in the day, so it was a good design choice IMO.
That's it. That's all Silverstone had to do to fix the SG13. Move the PSU mount. Oh, well. I guess they were fine with ceding the market away to a nearly endless wave of new competitors who will eat Silverstone's lunch. It's almost hard to remember that Silverstone was once a massive leader in the space of SFF cases and components.
Also, for Ali, Silverstone's smaller cases have almost always exhibited somewhat poor construction quality. I've owned 5 SG05/SG06 cases over the years, and all have had the odd missed rivet, bent panel, poorly threaded screw hole, etc. None were ever acceptable for a case in their price range. I still like them, but Silverstone isn't on my shopping list anymore.
@@jeremyshaw1 Thanks for the support! I think the fix you had in mind was realized with our SG07 / SG08? These cases moved PSU to the front, had more CPU cooler and GPU clearance. There are so many ways to build SFF cases that it's difficult to say which one is the right one. Obviously the audience here prefer the boutique designs, which we like too, but vowed to not copy. SUGO 14 and 15 are our latest interpretation of SFF case that hopefully get more people to go small without too much component limitation.
@@Silverstonetech What you guys need to do, is not think airflow works by black magic by only plumping a fan in the back of front somewhere and everything will be properly cooled, thinking only negative or positive airflow only without a fan to pull it all through will do, it most likely will Not.
The CS280, HDD bays gets no actual cooling At all, it's good for SSD's, but when it's filled with HDD's, especially ones from Seagate, stuff gets upto 40°C, in the summer it gets worse, airflow is complete and utter Thrash, and for such a expensive case, that's even Worse, it is Such a freakin BAD case compared to the cheaper amazing Fractal Design Node 304 which can accept 3.5" HDD's, which get excellent cooling, ATX Power Supply support and somewhat low, but decent noise cancelling.
CS280 is also riddled with complains about airflow, with one guy having to annoyingly mod the case, drill holes and tape stuff, What in the living hell are you guys doing, have you guys not noticed any of it?!
CS381 is slightly better, but OMG that insane price bump, nobody budget conscious would ever want to consider that thing, aside from that it has No front airflow and no proper negative airflow, not all HDD's are cooled correctly, all you had to do was put 2 cheap but good working 12cm fans on the front and leave the 2 fans in the back, maybe like Icy Dock did with their Vortex MB074SP-1B.
I mean, there is even a extended review with complaints on ServeTheHome detailing some issues and with user complaints.
Also nobody actually needs that expensive SAS3 backplane, nearly everyone uses SATA3 HDD's from motherboard and LSI/Broadcom HBA's or RAID expension cards.
Having power though Molex and SATA is nice though, for hot swap and since 400 Watt PSU have limited cables to attach to disks.
Plain simply, you guys make really nice looking cases, but all of it is half baked and based on real world results just a bad choice compared to competition or whatever i can put together myself.
And NO i am NOT saying you should lazily copy the competition, what you should do is FIX your designs and actually look up the big amount of complaints and reviews on the internet And Actually >Test< your stuff, then you might actually stand up to lets say Fractal and Lian Li... Well featurewise and how nice your cases look, but price wise your stuff is sooo expensive and plain average, second rate or in some people eyes Garbage Tier (even if under your brand some really nice things were previously released).
This review makes me glad I kept my patience, waited for the NR200 to come back into stock, and didn't pop for the Silverstone.
Ncase M1 and NZXT H1 are still my top favourite ITX cases. 😊
I think standard ATX PSU compatibility is a huge plus in the current PC building scene considering prices of the SFX power supplies are pretty outrageous and that’s if you can find them in stock. They always cost more, but now they’re insane. Also, why would they need to include a SFX to ATX bracket? I thought the SFX power supplies come with those.
Then again I doubt any of this matters since both the NR200 and Sugo 14 are sold out everywhere except eBay. It seems like scalpers are just buying everything that’s a new release and they won’t stop.
I agree.
The CM NR200 does not accept an ATX PSU, plus there's no front USB-C port.
I have a couple ATX PSU laying around somewhere.
For me, the only positive is the tempered glass side of the NR200.
ATM I can get a Sugo 15 cheaper than a CM NR200.
This review made me much more happier moving from Thermaltake Core v1 to NR200.
Can’t wait for the Sliger X410 to come out.
Finally, black backgrounds for your graphs. I kept getting blinded by the white backgrounds before.
Thanks for keeping this video real.
I feel like the atx psu support and great cooler support is something I'd value moving from an atx build to an sfx build
Should do a video of "smallest case that can fit an RTX 3080" I've wanted the SG13..... but as far as I know, doesn't fit the 3080. And I love the size of the SG13 :(
Though, after looking at the FormedT1, I think once I see how you review it with the 3080 that'll be the case for me! I can't wait!
Nice work as always, are you interested in reviewing the updated Geeek cases? I've seen that they have updated the side panel ventilation and have a $100 alternative to cases with the FormdT1 style layout.
NR200 doesn't have a 5.25" bay (which I'm a big fan of).
I needed this video. Thank you for this. I'm able to not recommend this for a build my friend was planning on doing.
Really unfortunate to see these cases flop so badly... Hopefully Silverstone receives this harsh criticism in good spirits and creates a properly good SG succesor.
Bought my NR200P few weeks ago. Oh man what a nice little thing to keep all the horsepower in
Great video as always, Ali! I would like to suggest doing an intro to water cooling video sometime in the future. I feel there are many members of the SFF community who consider upgrading to a custom loop somewhere down the line but get overwhelmed by the number and variety of components that go into it. I would love to hear your insights about this!
1:25 'that is just not the case here' I can't have been the only one
Hey Ali,
If you want to get your hands on a case that is more than worthy of your time get in touch with Wintercharm from Reddit/SFF-Forum. He tried to get in touch with you regarding his flow-optimized case, which is going to launch on KS shortly.
He is really open about the whole design process and the case looks promising and if his claims hold true even stomp the Formd T1 when it comes to cooling Performance.
It's going to fit 2x 280 rads in the production Version plus a Rtx 3090 FE.
Pls Review that case! I promise that it will not dissapoint you!
That aside, thanks for this great review ❤️
(fixed a typo)
Wow, honest AND brutal. Brilliant
NR200 is more expensive yes, but SFX PSU's are also more expensive
mmm that shot at 5:04
I've been very happy with the SG13 for 5 years. I've crammed 2 x 120mm AIOs in there which give me great thermals and low decibels. If I didn't go with the much smaller Dan A4 this year, I would've bought SG13 again.
Nice review.... hopefully the NR200 cases will come back in stock in the US soon
They were in stock on amazon for a few days last week. Gone already.
I just built in the LZ7 XTD with ASUS z390i motherboard, cpu i7 9700k, gpu ASUS dual mini 2070 oc edition, cpu cooler Noctua nh-u9s. The layout is perfect. You should do a review of it.
Ooooh that shot at 5:03
I appreciate the ATX support. There is absolutely no justification for replacing a perfectly functional ATX power supply with a smaller one, and I'd argue that the vast majority of SFF owners are not first time owners, but people who upgrade from standard ATX.
I remember building an ITX system back in the core2 days with a Sugo SG05.
Can't wait to see what you have planned with the FormD T1 and the 3080 cards :))
NGL I really loved the SG15 because of its super minimalist aesthetic (also no power button because I'd like it to be via external or remote.) But what Ali did say actually make sense so I guess I need to find another case for my dream setup lol.
thx - its a much bigger case but I like your approach and would like to see u checking out the Cooler Master's SL600M case. Both air-cooled and water options.
Damn that title made me laugh lol. Savage
3:22 AAAAAAAAAAAAAAA GODS that was like nails going down the chalkboard!!
A dated design in both form and function, price has become the SG13's most appealing aspect. I like that the motherboard lays horizontal instead of standing vertical, but its limited cooling options, nonexistent cable management and a design focused on ATX power supplies all put it pretty low on the list of cases I'd consider when downsizing my current build. With the SG14 it's pretty obvious Silverstone didn't bother to look at current trends in SFF PCs and instead opted to scale up the SG13's volume by 200% and price by 300%. Makes me question why they bothered to 'design' this case at all.
Different strokes for different folks. I 'upgraded' from a HAF XB EVO into a tiny AKKLA A4, retaining my dual water cooling. I fucking hate it.
For me the SG14 represents the sweet spot of smaller form factor, transportability and a SENSIBLE LAYOUT. The horizontal build, GPU support bracket and room for top-tier cooling trumps all other concerns. It is more space efficient than a vertical, thinner design adopted by everyone else, evidenced by how much more gear I can fit in my computer bag with the SG14 compared to micro-tower style.
I have that case with artic freezer 240 with noctua nfa12 x25 fans all round its silent and keeps my 3900x very cool paired with 3 slot 2080 ti . I didn't buy it for looks but practicality its has a lot of options down the road.
I’d definitely buy a Sliger “conswole” over this. Support for triple-slot cards and a premium design without any cheap bits.
The usual "out of touch" silverstone case yet again
Silverstone is the Saitek of cases... Never understood who the hell buys those?
@@PaladinJenkis But the RL06 and SG13 are good? I get that the RL06 is a normal tower and the SG13 isn't as compact, but it supports long GPUs and a decently compact system for fairly cheap.
@@johnbuscher fair enough but the design is hideous.
The version of the SG15 he tested was a pre-production unit, I heard, so his comments on the metal finish being "flaky" need to be understood as being pre-production.
The SG14 looks like it would be a good choice for a big air cooler configuaration, while the nr200 is better suited (or only suited) for an aio.
I do realize that SilverStone it's been living/banking on the success of the past, as the TJ07, the SG13 and the Raven RV02, that then can't have success /find his way with new products mean to replace the old ones (See TJ11, this SG14 and SG15 and the new Ravens) or to follow the market shift.
Sad to see that, I hope it doesn't go the route that Zalman gone, where she was a very worthy competitor back in the S939/S478 with their CNPS line and then didn't follow the market, falling into dismay, combined with some financial scandals.
I don't think so, it is a lot more stable than Zalman was, but It would be sad to see a company who gave some benchmarks in terms of case designs and accessories fall, as what happened with CaseLabs for example.
seems like the only plus for the sg14 is it's support for an optical drive
The Tech Buyer's Guru warned them about ditching the atx power supply compatibly during their press event, and they still ignored him. Mini-itx enthusiast want compact cases, unless they are going for a custom water-cooling build and that is usually for towers with a window.
Yeah, at that volume size, might as well drop atx psu support as the cable routing and management is going to suck anyway.
"Bordeline offensive" - I love this channel! :)
Silverstone should just update the console Raven series, sg13, and definitely the old school mATX TJ08e. For the TJ08e, update the drive mount system, make it more sata ssd friendly, and just remove the bottom 5.25in slot so you can mount hopefully two front 140mm fans.
I'm not convinced I could get a Formd T1 as they are hardly available to get LOL! Glad I have my NCASE M1
Looks like Silverstone has lowered the price to $118 which seems better, but it's still competing with the $90 NR200. At least now it comes down to whether you have an SFX power supply and are willing to take on the SG14's compromises.
Hey your 10900k and my 9900k share the same volts 1.272v for 5ghz. it's amusing how much power you can fit in a small case now a days.
4:03 i've been searching for so long for a picture with these three cases
you're godsent
you make me love mini itx builds... i think i go soon with a silverstone case, i5 10600K and (when released) a RTX 3070 :3
Geeek N500 lite is what I am waitin for
plain box is what I'm looking for in a case, but I'd take the NR200 for that over this one.
l like the simple look. It's kinda hard for two things that are boxy to not look alike (re: microwave). So no sure what can be done there.
The video is nicely edited as usual, but the microwave case...really brings it down 😂😂
I think the only main reason why this case even exists (mainly the SG14) is to house the RTX3080 for SFF users.
Size and spec wise you can fit in a surprisingly huge amount of weird stuff inside if you go with the air cooling option and it just seems to scream for a high end GPU to get installed by letting you stuff in an ATX PSU inside.
I wouldn't say this is the best case out there, but I think the basic logic behind this case is for you to stuff a crap ton of hardware inside while still keeping it reasonably small.
I see that Ali posted another vid - Hit the like button.
what about inwin a1 plus vs nr200 ? really need your opinion on that one
The only problem with NR200 is availability.
I waited more than a month after the official release date, before giving up and ordering an SG13🙄
Bruh your biceps keeps growing
thanks for the review. i wonder if the thermals could be improved if you squeezed another 120mm fan onto the top side panel. for me ,being able to fit 2 3.5inch drives into the sg14 is a plus, though thermally it's worse than nr200p.
That's rough, SilverStone. At least it's not as bad as the Fractal Design Era ITX, but "mediocre" is still hard to recommend when the competition is putting out such good stuff.
I hope one day you could get your hands on a Jonsbo V8 for review. Very curious about what you would think of that case.
Tbh the sg13 is still a beast, Having a 2,5 Slot Card and a 60m thicc 120Rad with 2 Fans on it and dont see a reason to change the case anytime soon