He a a stick a gpu and all these ads every minute and annoying sponsor's somewhere else....😂🤣 Linus is just like that Britney Spears song "I'm a slave for you...." the 💷💷💸💷💵💴💲🏧🏦 for the "sponsors"
Really hoped this would actually be a build where you can slide the GPU in without needing to actually slot it into the PCI-e port and connecting auxiliary power connectors. One day we'll get there :)
also the processor, we should be able to just slide it, without thermal paste or heatsink. the future processor is so cool that we need heater to keep it warm.....
You shouldn't! clickbait is NOT awesome, nor is a good high cost gpu in a improper setup that dies and you paid over half a grand for at least, if not double these days!
I was waiting for an Alta F1 for almost 2 years since they announced it, lokked amazing. Problem is that once they released it, turns out it's stuck with ATX.
@@cfcreative1 My main Desktop is in a Lian Li LANCOOL II Mesh right now but I have several Unraid machines here in Silverstone cases (CS 380 and CS 381, which are entirely different cases despite the similar names) and they're awesome for that they are for. They also have so many different SFF cases that I'd love to try as the Fractal Design Node 202 that's sitting under my TV right now is a terrible heat magnet.
I own the Sugo 14. Silverstone puts a LOT of thought into their cases. It looks like a microwave, but it is an affordable case that fits tripple slot GPUs with three fans.
Yeah, my current PC is in a Sugo 14. I have a Sugo 09 standing around, prepped and ready for a build, which never got used once the 14 was released. Neither is as quiet as my old Fractal Design Define case, but they do fit into my IKEA KALLAX shelf, while offering nice filtered air intakes. Unlike how Linus used his Sugo 16. ;)
9:36 One thing I've done in a similar case (NCase M1) is to drop a fan or two in the gap between the gpu and the panel. Even if all you can fit are slim fans, it'd probably help with gpu thermals.
The SUGO lineup is just so special. I have my NAS built in an SG11. It’s amazing how many SSDs you can put in that tiny case. This new SG16 looks so creative
So there's been some issues with the Sabrent Rocket M.2 drives dying prematurely. So I'm going to request a look into that from you guys at LMG. I know you don't use the builds that you do in these videos, but recommending a drive that has multiple instances of premature failures is iffy.
LTT doesn't do prolonged testing of SSD's. Sure, they have a lot of systems/servers they rely on everyday but I don't recall them ever covering an issue like this. Anecdotally I tried out a Gen 4 Sabrent Rocket a while ago and after it died after 3 days of use I decided to stick with Samsung for my NVME drives.
Unfortunately that's one of those things that they can't fully account for. If enough attention is drawn to it I'm sure LTT will do a follow up. Personally I did some research before settling on a pair of WD SN850's, though WD has had some issues with consistent quality/changing things. At the time there were only two real options for gen 4 M.2 SSDs, the Rocket and the 850 and the Rocket had enough reviews of premature failures that the choice was pretty clear. 850's also perform a bit better in random read/writes while Rocket's perform better in sequential read/writes.
clickbait is NOT awesome, nor is a good high cost gpu in a improper setup that dies and you paid over half a grand for at least, if not double these days!
ive never once understood why linus has had cable mod multiple times as a sponsor yet they don't have an inventory of all their cables and cable lengths.. would make his builds so much better.
Airflow isn't as impacted as much as people think, actually way less. Now if the wires are literally interfering with the fans spinning, that's a different story.
@@robertt9342 That's the main reason why I would do it. Also because it looks way better. The moment I find a supplier for all PC connectors + tools, sleeving abd wires, I'm goint to make my own cables, no matter the build.
They should make two editions, one with the nice compact size of this one, and one ever so slightly larger, fitted for Nano-ATX instead of Micro-ITX motherboards, with room for a full length triple wide GPUs.
im starting to think they need to build video cards with the connector on the back end and install via a pair of rails, sort of like how datacenter hot swappable hard drives work. given how ginormous they have gotten and how relatively flimsy a single edge bracket and pcie slot (which mobo manufacturers have gone out of their way to reinforce) tend to be.
i would agree, but then it would break compliance. Its not that there is something wrong with the formfactor design. Its that chip manufacturers are getting less and less efficient (per watt performance) overall. While idle wattage has gone down considerably over the years (AMD HD 79xx/R9 2xx/3xx/4xx | would idle on average just under 200w less than peak, which was usually around 400-600w), Underload GPU efficiency has dropped off considerably. While i agree a lot of this has to do with transistor count being through the roof with high core-clocks, that's only half the issue. GPU die efficiency hasn't improved much since mid 2000's. This is concerning in terms of progression. More chip developers such as Nvidia and AMD are focused on performance, they keep cranking up the chips power draw by cramming it into the same low efficiency space. This means it requires more power, and better cooling. - Its this traditional approach to cooling thats adding all the extra weight to the cards. In the short term, more efficient heatsink designs with alternative materials and better fans are one approach to fix this, but ideally the better approach would be to absolutely go with external cooling with water cooling of these demanding components. --- Long term, i think more efficient GPU die layouts, with far less of the power filtering and handling should be on the board. More daughter-boards to offset the cooling of the power-delivery (and repair) would solve this easily. However, as we are already seeing from Intel, they keep wanting to cram more heat creating VRM's and rail switching right onto the motherboard as-is. Concerns are shifting away from Gaming/Enthusiast Addon components(gpu's), and back to integrated low-end components. Convenience and pure aesthetic is slowly winning out against engineering and product design sense. So i dont see daughter boards or more efficient GPU's coming back any time soon.. --- This all said, your probably thinking "None of this matters today with existing stuff. Its just a bunch of worthess conjecture, add a support rail and be done with it!", while you would be entirely right... There is a huge problem to this approach. Standards exist for a reason, altering these standards means breaking compatibility with older or upcoming devices. It also means breaking compatibility between like devices. This is why the "firewire" vs "USB" debate ultimately culminated in a uniform spec. | More separation in case design that comes away from spec guidelines means more and more niche solutions come along that breaks reparability and support. Adding /anything/ to the GPU which is supposed to integrate with a case, means updating pci formfactor specs. It also means breaking compatibility with old cases that lack support for it. From a engineering standpoint Adding a "Support arm" attached directly to the GPU will not reduce flex. This is a fault of the PCB, not the "Card case". Thin PCB's are exposed to more flex. This could be solved by adding additional layers of copper with heatpipe channels built into the pcb its self to both mitigate heat transfer and isolate the grounding plane. Requiring 0 spec changes, significantly reduced flex and improving thermals overall. But lets face it, GPU market has turned into a pyramid scheme of "How much can we produce, at the lowest price possible and charge the most for". - Less efficient heatsinks borrowing from pre-existing designs mean they appear more efficient, but in reality its just minimal effort. Combined with on average the worlds worst fans, usually means most GPU's are designed to fail, and fail within 3 years.
@@edenrose2374 the rail system would be the extreme hyperbole option to help explain the problem. if actually implemented it would end up adding even more bulk to the systems and therefore cost (water cooling has the same problem). so the answer would be in small amendments to the existing standards with a low cost of implementation. a couple examples: doing something like adding an extra bracket at the other end of the video card (ive seen old vesa cards that do that), and a line of structural holes to the chassis spaced at 20mm intervals in like with the rear bracket holes. then spec video cards over a certain weight limit to have a tail bracket. if the card is exceedingly long they can opt for a captive thumb screw. chassis manufacturers just add the holes and include any necessary standoffs, gpu manufactures are responsible for the brackets. making the bracket hard mount directly the the bulk of the heat sink. cards with a 3 slot (and i saw one with 4) bracket already have a fairly ridged mounting point which is sometimes underutilized. most of the boards ive disassembled use the pcb itself as an intermediary using only a couple screws at most with no direct connection to the weighty heat sink. this would just be the gpu manufacturers problem.
I asked my electronic shop, they never heard of those "GPU". This channel is really diving into cryptic hard to find strange hardware. A glimpse of the crazy things we may be able to see in 5-10 years
The SUGO lineup is just so special. I have my NAS built in an SG11. It’s amazing how many SSDs you can put in that tiny case. This new SG16 looks so creative
Amazing build ! I truly want something along those specs in a small form factor some day. Especially for on the go you could actually take this little beast anywhere as long as you have a monitor, keyboard, and mouse !!!
"Consumers want their cases to be smaller and more quiet" Legitimately asking, according to what/who? As far as I am aware, and I could be wrong, SFF PCs are still a very, very niche part of the market and cheaper end mid towers are still handily the best sellers
I don't think anyone wouldn't want their PC to be as small and quiet as possible - I think their lack of representation in the market is due to them being expensive and often hard to access. Mid towers are cheap and easy to find so are popular but I'm sure if sff cases/PSUs were cheaper and more widely available they'd be much less of a niche product
Well, in Asia regions, they're extremely popular due to spacial reasons. Personally, I just don't wanna waste plastics. Being able to shotput it is an happy accident.
Yeah, that gets me pretty concerned. If the benchmarks are really running on that system and that fan is not spinning, that means we are getting fooled... I would love to hear a explanation for this.
I guess the inner power plug is supposed to be through that loooong gap left of the power supply before this one is mounted and screwed in lol. With that the cable is not as stupidly managed as Linus made it in the video.
Its covered by the front panel so hardly "stupidly managed". Its better than most small form factor cases where the AC cable is a tight squeeze risking breaking the cable.
Considering you are probably on 20c ambient, those are awful thermals, would probably be 5~8c better if you didn't throw all the hot air from the AIO inside the case.
I don't understand the attraction to such small cases. I get frustrated as it is when replacing\adding componets in mid size cases; it becomes a big challenge how to get everything to fit and what order they need to added. :)
Also, why not re-introduce the 5,25" bay to add a card like that. We've got risers and all that, and a 5,25" bay would be WELL big enough to fit any graphics card, or any card that would be made to that specification. Depth can be adjusted. Like hot-swap drives. I'm sure that could fairly easily be implemented.
@@rensquared24 So every case is already that wide anyway. Why not use that old standard and route the new standards like via a riser cable/card. it can even be actually hotswaped-ish. it's about the standard, it is right there. you can hotswap hdd's, psu"s. Time to hotswap graphics cards
Love these itx builds but man … I really want to see an MATX build. I love team MATX doesn’t have many boards but we really need to see some SFF cases get some MATX support.
I hope that PC / component manufacturers take a note of this. I love this kind of "slide-in" design for components, rather than opening the case and taking out about 5 to 10 screws and then carefully popping the locking mechanism to remove the component. I especially wish for an easier solution with CPU install / removal. Currently you have to be extra careful with the cooler and thermal paste and the actual CPU-chip (avoiding bent pins or too much paste).
I agree too, I know that there are industry standards but it would certainly be nice if EVERYTHING about building a PC could be as modular and tool-less as possible.
Why would you even consider or want an ATX power supply in this? Don't even understand how that should be a consideration. Better GPU support or cooling is far more important. You're not gonna be able to fit power hungry components that would need something more than 1000W (or 750W for that matter).
I mean who really needs to put himself up with the restrictions of such a tiny case when a proper midi case fits perfectly and leaves room for airflow and to work in. Probably people in tiny homes or living in rv´s. I mean even the "bedroom" gaming experience no longer holds up since "steam in house streaming" is a thing and runs pretty much on anything that can run a youtube video. So why in the world waste cash on this tiny stuff when you could get a great midi case, have proper cooling and an easy time to work on?
can we move this video? everytime I land on the LTT youtube page "IT WON'T FIT WHAT AM I GONNA DO?!" Colton as much as I like you, its starting to get annoying
silverstone psu........ barf. i've gone thru 3 750w sfx psu's within 5 months..... i gave up after the 3rd return and got a Seasonic, no power issues for 2 years
I have that exact motherboard, great board, I like how you can adjust the RGB WITHOUT software through the BIOS. (I like Linux and alt OSes, great not to have to rely on software for my RGB.) Ryzen 5 3600 @ 4.5GHz (I prefer air), 32GB DDR4-3600 CAS 17, 180GB Muskin 2.5" SSD (Windows 10 Ent LTSC/dual boot with PopOS and Apps), 2TB Samsung NVE (Compressed - Games only), RTX2070 Super UltraOC, Corsair HX750 PSU, 55" 4K OLED display and secondary 2K, 27" Veiwsonic professional display. Love it.
I'm the other way around! I've never understood the want for larger cases. Sure it makes cable management/general assembly easier, but it just takes up excessive (imo) space on a desk. Not everyone wants to get an entirely new desk to keep their pc off the floor and having a smaller case can give you enough space for an extra monitor, more space for your mouse, and it helps a lot with dust and pet hair by keeping it on the desk. That's why I'll always prefer sff, but to each their own!
if you have limited space SFF case is amazing takes up a lot less space then a normal one, plus portablity is so easy if you need to move your PC from location to location. I am a uni student so move houses every year or so and can fit my PC in a backpack if i wanted to and can easily fit in the tiny rooms i get.
Please, for the love of god, take this off of your home page. Fuck autoplaying media. If I hear "It won't fit" one more time I'm gonna punch my monitor.
Since you are already building a PC that costs more than a motorcycle you could have ordered a custom case so you don't have to deal with those slightly longer cables than you need.
Damn. I did a similar build using a Silverstone SG13 a couple years ago. Mounted a SFX-L PSU where the front 120mm fan is meant to go and then put in a Noctua U12A cooler with a 3D printed vent which fits in the usual PSU spot. It's like Silverstone read my mind and built this case, but only AFTER I built my desktop - otherwise I would've been pretty tempted by this thing. Well, hell. Still am tempted. Well done Silverstone. Their products are exactly what people need even though they have no idea that they need them.
I've used small and cubic cases before and those consumers who wants smaller cases doesn't know what they are dealing with. If you ever think to slightly dusting, cleaning, changing thermal or any hardware along the way, you must avoid those kind of cases which causes a lot of pain to do any of work. But if you are okay to send your computer to tech every 6-12 months, then you are fine and it's their problem. But if I was a worker, I would've definetely charge extra amount for the pain it caused me.
@@RJRC_105 sorry to necro, but after building in a sg13 - I'm buying a SG16 The cut out in the front of the sg13 does not allow taller GPUs to actually fit through. It fit my 1050 and my 2060 Super - but couldn't fit my Asus 3070 :(
Interesting suggestion. I'm building a pc using this case. How would you attach them to the GPU? Or would you just wedge them between the card and the case? Wedging would potentially add further mechanical strain to GPU sagging
@@WerdnaT00 There does seem to be some GPU sag visible in the video. Double sided tape on the top panel could work , but then you risk the foam becoming one-time-use only. It does seem like you can brace the GPU from below using the power supply or AIO, but that would be jank. It would be total overkill, but a deshroud and replacing the fans with ones you can actually screw the foam into would avoid both issues but adds extra cost.
Finally retiring my old NCIX built PC from 2008 in a few weeks when I finally (hopefully) get my hands on a RTX 3060Ti. My current (OLD AF) build includes an Intel Core 2 Duo (2.53Ghz) with 4 GB of DDR2 RAM and originally a Geforce 9500GT upgraded to a GTX 550Ti lmao... I Can't even watch YT videos in 720p anymore without random freezing etc.. Games are unplayable. The PC I'm currently building has an Asus ROG Strix B550-F motherboard, 64 GB of 3600mhz G-Skill RGB Neo RAM, a Ryzen 5 5600x (with an AIO) & HOPEFULLY an RTX 3060Ti. I CANNOT wait to finally enjoy PC gaming.
Given all the offerings from Silverstone, you should do a "budget rackmount roundup". Silverstone has LOADS of them, and I'm sure you could find quite a few others to throw into it too.
I'm building a custom PC case out of the leftover bits remaining from a 1939 Philco radio that I made into a massive PC case in 2014. The big case will house my NAS, with it's motherboard and 12 hard drives, as well as a standard ATX motherboard for a workshop PC. My new case is 13 inches long, 10.5 inches tall, and 9.6 inches wide. It will support a full size ATX motherboard, with 7 low profile PCIe slots coming out the bottom of the case, and up to a 3 slot GPU exiting the rear. The PSU is an SFX supply, and the CPU is cooled by a Noctua NH-D15. The design rotates the CPU cooler 90°, and creates a sort of front to back wind tunnel effect. The front and rear grills are going to be waterjet cut custom brass panels. The GPU pulls air in through a top mounted brass grill as well. The case hinges open like one of those old style PowerMac G3/G4 towers. The whole thing is suspended off the desktop by legs, and will have a nixie clock built into the front.
There is no excuse for how bad this video serves as a guide. Firstly, that is not the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 120 that they are using. Secondly, why skip so much of the build showing how terrible it is to A. do it in this order and B. use these parts together.
will people stop this stupid trend of buying small cases? you need BIG cases so that you can fit your damn hands inside to clean, fix and replace things. am I the only one that cleans his PC's case-CPU+GPU fans every year?
Eh the TT core v1 has a GPU cut out to slide it in from the front as well. Its a little bigger of a case but also easier to work in and gets surprisingly good temps even with just air cooling. I even found a TV stand that would fit it so it works perfectly doing double duty as a gaming PC and HTPC for my projector.
@@Javious_Rex Yeah I was more than a little surprised considering I picked it up for like $30. Certainly the best temps I've ever seen considering there's only two fans in the whole system. A big 200mm front intake fan and a 120 on the CPU cooler with no output fan so all positive pressure since I have a blower style GPU.
@@gatticusfpv3174 I originally had a pair of 80mm fans in the rear, but when I removed them I found that my temps didn't increase. I use the vented panels on the top and GPU side, fresh air for the twin GPU fans and the hot air radiates out the top of the case.
I would like to try the Seasonic SFX power supplies, in other places in even remedial use I have had a lot of bad luck with various brands of SFX power supplies, one of them the application was a DVR and after replacing the 3rd 500watt unit I took a drill and tin snips to the DVR housing and mounted a full size 380 watt ATX supply from Antec in it, and it's run happily for 5 years, when the SFX units from other players where lasting maybe 2 years at best, they weren't even under that heavy of a load.
That's a THICC radiator! yeah that zotac 3070 reminds me of the length of my evga 1070 SC, when I got my evga 3070 ti FTW3 Ultra i thought it was going to be so long it wouldn't fit into my full sized rosewill cullinan case.
What is a GPU and where can I buy one?
I uploaded my face reveal
Ebay. It costs only about $5000 for a low range one, more powerful GPUs are much more expensive.
It is a toy for adults and u shouldn't
GPU is the graphics card (it shows you your screen)
you can buy it from amazon or ebay but be carefull, there is many cheaters...
an ancient myth back in the 2015-19
Nice to see that Colton still comes to visit his old job every once in a while!
I see you are a seasoned LMG viewer
@@Bl4ckP0150n I still miss Berkel
He's been promoted to audience many a time.
this never gets old
@@sohflipz4439 Dam that was so long ago now.
Dang, wish I had a GPU to slide into my case
I wish you had a GPU to slide out of your case.
got a gt 630. it'll slide in any case with ease and probably slide out because IGPU is better than it.
They've damn near made our need for GPU's sexual in nature.
@@Camska427 Well, you know what they say.... in times of war any slot is a trench...
He a a stick a gpu and all these ads every minute and annoying sponsor's somewhere else....😂🤣 Linus is just like that Britney Spears song "I'm a slave for you...." the 💷💷💸💷💵💴💲🏧🏦 for the "sponsors"
The thumbnail looked like it was a GPU that was in a form factor to fit in the 5.25" drive bay. I guess not, lol.
2nd like lol
Also SalC1 what u doing here?
Hi dad
lol yeah, I am...not ok with clickbait.
That’s what I thought too
@@gorkskoal9315 def not clickbait
Really hoped this would actually be a build where you can slide the GPU in without needing to actually slot it into the PCI-e port and connecting auxiliary power connectors. One day we'll get there :)
The title was clickbait sadly
also the processor, we should be able to just slide it, without thermal paste or heatsink. the future processor is so cool that we need heater to keep it warm.....
Like Hotswap on servers. That would be very cool.
@@GUSRG it would be loud n ugly
@@potatopotatopotatopotatopo8746 it wasnt clickbait. it still slided
Linus one of those channels, no matter what I always tune into videos daily 👍
If the thumbnail is disgusting, I avoid
How are you verified without any videos?
Bot
@@p1ushyy522 there are many videos on her/his channel, one of them have 1 million + view
You shouldn't! clickbait is NOT awesome, nor is a good high cost gpu in a improper setup that dies and you paid over half a grand for at least, if not double these days!
I love Silverstone's cases so much. So many different options that you don't see a lot.
I had a silverstone case but i like my Lian Li alot more.
I was waiting for an Alta F1 for almost 2 years since they announced it, lokked amazing. Problem is that once they released it, turns out it's stuck with ATX.
You don't see a lot because they're tiny
@@cfcreative1 My main Desktop is in a Lian Li LANCOOL II Mesh right now but I have several Unraid machines here in Silverstone cases (CS 380 and CS 381, which are entirely different cases despite the similar names) and they're awesome for that they are for. They also have so many different SFF cases that I'd love to try as the Fractal Design Node 202 that's sitting under my TV right now is a terrible heat magnet.
SUGO lineup is underrated. It was doing SFF cases before many other mainstream brands jumped in.
I'd like to see Linus engineer a small form factor case. I bet with all of his experience it would be a rockin case.
It's be made of rubber, just to survive inevitable drop
@@billwhitfield3943 truth!
Something around 7 liters like the A4-SFX would be awesome.
I was not them to build a backpack pc for vr gaming that can be thrown around and fallen on.
@SOUL SEEKER and shock proof
Props to the editor for syncing the break in the music at 8:01 for when Linus gets confused by the power cable. It’s the little things.
Yep, Also noticed and lol'd
Has RGB memory ever been this wasted before?
Yes, in my build... because I've turned it off due to the software controlling it being awful.
corsair icue?
Same over here (yes, iCue)
@@zaniquelli use other tools? I know there is one for Linux that can control everything. Don't remember the name though
Try OpenRGB! It uses a lot less CPU than things like iCue, and once you install the effects plugin it can do some cool stuff!
You have RGB? Lucky...
Nice! I like things that slide in easily!
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Video posted 1 min ago and already the best comment 😂
Sus
That's what she said
@@beatrix4306 😤
Colton: "What am I going to do!!"
Linus: "Go home...You're Fired"
I own the Sugo 14. Silverstone puts a LOT of thought into their cases.
It looks like a microwave, but it is an affordable case that fits tripple slot GPUs with three fans.
Yeah, my current PC is in a Sugo 14. I have a Sugo 09 standing around, prepped and ready for a build, which never got used once the 14 was released. Neither is as quiet as my old Fractal Design Define case, but they do fit into my IKEA KALLAX shelf, while offering nice filtered air intakes. Unlike how Linus used his Sugo 16. ;)
Hey
9:36
One thing I've done in a similar case (NCase M1) is to drop a fan or two in the gap between the gpu and the panel. Even if all you can fit are slim fans, it'd probably help with gpu thermals.
The SUGO lineup is just so special. I have my NAS built in an SG11. It’s amazing how many SSDs you can put in that tiny case. This new SG16 looks so creative
Unfortunately the N-MA model is sold out, at least the one with d-IC interface
so is the sugon lineup
Ligma line is in stock
SUGOndese
So there's been some issues with the Sabrent Rocket M.2 drives dying prematurely. So I'm going to request a look into that from you guys at LMG. I know you don't use the builds that you do in these videos, but recommending a drive that has multiple instances of premature failures is iffy.
LTT doesn't do prolonged testing of SSD's. Sure, they have a lot of systems/servers they rely on everyday but I don't recall them ever covering an issue like this. Anecdotally I tried out a Gen 4 Sabrent Rocket a while ago and after it died after 3 days of use I decided to stick with Samsung for my NVME drives.
Gamers Nexus might be a better choice to ask about that
@@Sgt_Glory I was thinking the same.
@@Sgt_Glory LMG will probably do it. Just like they did the Adata SSD bait and swap investigation.
Unfortunately that's one of those things that they can't fully account for. If enough attention is drawn to it I'm sure LTT will do a follow up. Personally I did some research before settling on a pair of WD SN850's, though WD has had some issues with consistent quality/changing things. At the time there were only two real options for gen 4 M.2 SSDs, the Rocket and the 850 and the Rocket had enough reviews of premature failures that the choice was pretty clear. 850's also perform a bit better in random read/writes while Rocket's perform better in sequential read/writes.
If you're willing to go a little bigger on the case, the Lian Li Q58 looks nicer and is easier to work in.
The Q58 is much bigger, though. When you go for a sf case, every centimeter matters.
Alternatively go with the SSUPD meshlicious (about the same size?)
Missing the point of SFF.
If you want to go a lot bigger on the case, something like the Fractal Design R2 XL allows you to hold both a PC and a body in your trunk!
@@LuxTheSlav the Q58 and the meshlicious are both still SFF cases (
So glad I can finally quickly swap out my GPUs all the time I just keep upgrading so often because they’re so affordable and widely available!
"Did my FPS just briefly drop below 144....? Well no problem, lemme just slide this out and.... slide this in.
Boom. FPS through da roof."
@@DrMcMoist No all you have to do is future out how to stop dying in the first two minutes of any online game.
@@Huels He wasnt talking about dying in a game
Where can i download a GPU?
Hacker's stole nvidia's silicon files. Give it half a year.
@@Barnaclebeard lol
RUclips .com
Ok.. First off: Awesome case. Second: The baby babble letting Linus know he loses the front fan and that "Yeah" had me rolling. Great job guys.
Dude, same. Lol
loved that part of it too lol
Writer is likely a probie 🤪
clickbait is NOT awesome, nor is a good high cost gpu in a improper setup that dies and you paid over half a grand for at least, if not double these days!
lets not forget shroud 10:35
ive never once understood why linus has had cable mod multiple times as a sponsor yet they don't have an inventory of all their cables and cable lengths.. would make his builds so much better.
Yeah, You would think at this point there would be at least a consignment deal.
When I would build in an SFF case, I would make my own cables. Way less painful and better airflow too.
Airflow isn't as impacted as much as people think, actually way less. Now if the wires are literally interfering with the fans spinning, that's a different story.
There'll be a lot of LTT employees with nice cables at home :)
@@robertt9342 That's the main reason why I would do it. Also because it looks way better. The moment I find a supplier for all PC connectors + tools, sleeving abd wires, I'm goint to make my own cables, no matter the build.
0:15 at this point the only reason Colton’s still employed is to be made fun off
Linus: "But in a tiny little enclosure"
Not sure if he was he talking about himself or the case.
damn
They should make two editions, one with the nice compact size of this one, and one ever so slightly larger, fitted for Nano-ATX instead of Micro-ITX motherboards, with room for a full length triple wide GPUs.
You might look into the Tecware Fusion / Inter-Tech IM-1 / Sama 01 / Axel Cube.
im starting to think they need to build video cards with the connector on the back end and install via a pair of rails, sort of like how datacenter hot swappable hard drives work. given how ginormous they have gotten and how relatively flimsy a single edge bracket and pcie slot (which mobo manufacturers have gone out of their way to reinforce) tend to be.
i would agree, but then it would break compliance. Its not that there is something wrong with the formfactor design. Its that chip manufacturers are getting less and less efficient (per watt performance) overall.
While idle wattage has gone down considerably over the years (AMD HD 79xx/R9 2xx/3xx/4xx | would idle on average just under 200w less than peak, which was usually around 400-600w), Underload GPU efficiency has dropped off considerably.
While i agree a lot of this has to do with transistor count being through the roof with high core-clocks, that's only half the issue. GPU die efficiency hasn't improved much since mid 2000's. This is concerning in terms of progression.
More chip developers such as Nvidia and AMD are focused on performance, they keep cranking up the chips power draw by cramming it into the same low efficiency space. This means it requires more power, and better cooling. - Its this traditional approach to cooling thats adding all the extra weight to the cards.
In the short term, more efficient heatsink designs with alternative materials and better fans are one approach to fix this, but ideally the better approach would be to absolutely go with external cooling with water cooling of these demanding components.
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Long term, i think more efficient GPU die layouts, with far less of the power filtering and handling should be on the board. More daughter-boards to offset the cooling of the power-delivery (and repair) would solve this easily. However, as we are already seeing from Intel, they keep wanting to cram more heat creating VRM's and rail switching right onto the motherboard as-is. Concerns are shifting away from Gaming/Enthusiast Addon components(gpu's), and back to integrated low-end components.
Convenience and pure aesthetic is slowly winning out against engineering and product design sense. So i dont see daughter boards or more efficient GPU's coming back any time soon..
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This all said, your probably thinking "None of this matters today with existing stuff. Its just a bunch of worthess conjecture, add a support rail and be done with it!", while you would be entirely right... There is a huge problem to this approach. Standards exist for a reason, altering these standards means breaking compatibility with older or upcoming devices.
It also means breaking compatibility between like devices.
This is why the "firewire" vs "USB" debate ultimately culminated in a uniform spec. | More separation in case design that comes away from spec guidelines means more and more niche solutions come along that breaks reparability and support.
Adding /anything/ to the GPU which is supposed to integrate with a case, means updating pci formfactor specs. It also means breaking compatibility with old cases that lack support for it.
From a engineering standpoint Adding a "Support arm" attached directly to the GPU will not reduce flex. This is a fault of the PCB, not the "Card case". Thin PCB's are exposed to more flex. This could be solved by adding additional layers of copper with heatpipe channels built into the pcb its self to both mitigate heat transfer and isolate the grounding plane. Requiring 0 spec changes, significantly reduced flex and improving thermals overall. But lets face it, GPU market has turned into a pyramid scheme of "How much can we produce, at the lowest price possible and charge the most for". - Less efficient heatsinks borrowing from pre-existing designs mean they appear more efficient, but in reality its just minimal effort. Combined with on average the worlds worst fans, usually means most GPU's are designed to fail, and fail within 3 years.
@@edenrose2374 the rail system would be the extreme hyperbole option to help explain the problem. if actually implemented it would end up adding even more bulk to the systems and therefore cost (water cooling has the same problem). so the answer would be in small amendments to the existing standards with a low cost of implementation. a couple examples:
doing something like adding an extra bracket at the other end of the video card (ive seen old vesa cards that do that), and a line of structural holes to the chassis spaced at 20mm intervals in like with the rear bracket holes. then spec video cards over a certain weight limit to have a tail bracket. if the card is exceedingly long they can opt for a captive thumb screw. chassis manufacturers just add the holes and include any necessary standoffs, gpu manufactures are responsible for the brackets.
making the bracket hard mount directly the the bulk of the heat sink. cards with a 3 slot (and i saw one with 4) bracket already have a fairly ridged mounting point which is sometimes underutilized. most of the boards ive disassembled use the pcb itself as an intermediary using only a couple screws at most with no direct connection to the weighty heat sink. this would just be the gpu manufacturers problem.
Is the screwdriver still on track for the end of the year?
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Silverstone, one of the most underrated PSU and case manufacturers
They aren't underrated.... At all.
They are very well known and very respected.
Rosewill is underrated if anyone
I asked my electronic shop, they never heard of those "GPU". This channel is really diving into cryptic hard to find strange hardware.
A glimpse of the crazy things we may be able to see in 5-10 years
The SUGO lineup is just so special. I have my NAS built in an SG11. It’s amazing how many SSDs you can put in that tiny case. This new SG16 looks so creative
hey i watch your videos
Amazing build ! I truly want something along those specs in a small form factor some day. Especially for on the go you could actually take this little beast anywhere as long as you have a monitor, keyboard, and mouse !!!
When one hold the case up in one hand while cable-managing with the other hand it shows how small and light it really is.
do that with a rosewill thor v2 and you;ll break a wrist
"Consumers want their cases to be smaller and more quiet" Legitimately asking, according to what/who? As far as I am aware, and I could be wrong, SFF PCs are still a very, very niche part of the market and cheaper end mid towers are still handily the best sellers
Myself, personally, I like to have full towers. But thats because I have loads of old HDDs that still work, and it seems a shame to throw them out.
I don't think anyone wouldn't want their PC to be as small and quiet as possible - I think their lack of representation in the market is due to them being expensive and often hard to access. Mid towers are cheap and easy to find so are popular but I'm sure if sff cases/PSUs were cheaper and more widely available they'd be much less of a niche product
Well, in Asia regions, they're extremely popular due to spacial reasons. Personally, I just don't wanna waste plastics. Being able to shotput it is an happy accident.
Im getting new pc tommorow and its pre-built but its in my grandma's shop --->specs
anyone else notice the fan on the cpu cooler wasn't spinning at all? lol
Yeah, that gets me pretty concerned. If the benchmarks are really running on that system and that fan is not spinning, that means we are getting fooled... I would love to hear a explanation for this.
I guess the inner power plug is supposed to be through that loooong gap left of the power supply before this one is mounted and screwed in lol. With that the cable is not as stupidly managed as Linus made it in the video.
you wouldn't be able to do that with a ATX PSU ?
Its covered by the front panel so hardly "stupidly managed". Its better than most small form factor cases where the AC cable is a tight squeeze risking breaking the cable.
"What case do you have?"
"Sugo"
"Sugo?"
"Sugo these nuts ayyyy"
It's free real estate.
Considering you are probably on 20c ambient, those are awful thermals, would probably be 5~8c better if you didn't throw all the hot air from the AIO inside the case.
I don't understand the attraction to such small cases. I get frustrated as it is when replacing\adding componets in mid size cases; it becomes a big challenge how to get everything to fit and what order they need to added. :)
Also, why not re-introduce the 5,25" bay to add a card like that. We've got risers and all that, and a 5,25" bay would be WELL big enough to fit any graphics card, or any card that would be made to that specification. Depth can be adjusted. Like hot-swap drives. I'm sure that could fairly easily be implemented.
Because they want SFF cases to be compact as possible and you are saying that it needs to be bigger???? 😂
@@rensquared24 So every case is already that wide anyway. Why not use that old standard and route the new standards like via a riser cable/card. it can even be actually hotswaped-ish. it's about the standard, it is right there. you can hotswap hdd's, psu"s. Time to hotswap graphics cards
Is really crazy how nice and cool this looks. Wish to have one like this for Christmas the most near will be a pair of socks 😂
Love these itx builds but man … I really want to see an MATX build. I love team MATX doesn’t have many boards but we really need to see some SFF cases get some MATX support.
Are you guys really puttin the case on the desk?I don't have a big enough desk nor space for it, and I have a big case and it just sits under my desk.
With such a good space management you can place two computers in a tower case. 😅
The Shroud joke was legit 🤣
I hope that PC / component manufacturers take a note of this.
I love this kind of "slide-in" design for components, rather than opening the case and taking out about 5 to 10 screws and then carefully popping the locking mechanism to remove the component.
I especially wish for an easier solution with CPU install / removal. Currently you have to be extra careful with the cooler and thermal paste and the actual CPU-chip (avoiding bent pins or too much paste).
I agree too, I know that there are industry standards but it would certainly be nice if EVERYTHING about building a PC could be as modular and tool-less as possible.
i think the paste part are a bit hard to fix, but I agree that cpu install should be easier and safer
Watch the video, there's nothing like that. It's just the clickbait title+thumbnail that make it look like it's some slide-in GPU slot.
don't threadripper CPUs have sort of sliding mechanism to install them?
So... you want an SGI Backplane
Incredible! but i put AMD5700X+Gigabyte3060Ti in a bit bigger than that chassis and got 85C+81C temps.
Why would you even consider or want an ATX power supply in this? Don't even understand how that should be a consideration. Better GPU support or cooling is far more important. You're not gonna be able to fit power hungry components that would need something more than 1000W (or 750W for that matter).
I mean who really needs to put himself up with the restrictions of such a tiny case when a proper midi case fits perfectly and leaves room for airflow and to work in.
Probably people in tiny homes or living in rv´s.
I mean even the "bedroom" gaming experience no longer holds up since "steam in house streaming" is a thing and runs pretty much on anything that can run a youtube video.
So why in the world waste cash on this tiny stuff when you could get a great midi case, have proper cooling and an easy time to work on?
Be interested to see videos of you making laser cut plywood cases to really optimize them.
I'd like to see a plus size version of this with the extra millimeters
Can't wait to be able to slide custom water cooling into my PC (soon)
can we move this video? everytime I land on the LTT youtube page "IT WON'T FIT WHAT AM I GONNA DO?!" Colton as much as I like you, its starting to get annoying
silverstone psu........ barf. i've gone thru 3 750w sfx psu's within 5 months..... i gave up after the 3rd return and got a Seasonic, no power issues for 2 years
8:05 that's actually quite a common feature among smaller ITX case makers. It's almost a standard
Linus: "it works if you can get enough cool air from the outside"
Me: "sure, unless you have an ATX Full Tower Case"
Mighty Mouses mom said she went through 50k planets before getting her first 1080p at 60hz video card programmability conquered.
I have that exact motherboard, great board, I like how you can adjust the RGB WITHOUT software through the BIOS. (I like Linux and alt OSes, great not to have to rely on software for my RGB.)
Ryzen 5 3600 @ 4.5GHz (I prefer air), 32GB DDR4-3600 CAS 17, 180GB Muskin 2.5" SSD (Windows 10 Ent LTSC/dual boot with PopOS and Apps), 2TB Samsung NVE (Compressed - Games only), RTX2070 Super UltraOC, Corsair HX750 PSU, 55" 4K OLED display and secondary 2K, 27" Veiwsonic professional display. Love it.
I don't understand the trend for small cases, the empty space is cheap and light and makes everything easier to deal with.
More desk space
I'm the other way around! I've never understood the want for larger cases. Sure it makes cable management/general assembly easier, but it just takes up excessive (imo) space on a desk. Not everyone wants to get an entirely new desk to keep their pc off the floor and having a smaller case can give you enough space for an extra monitor, more space for your mouse, and it helps a lot with dust and pet hair by keeping it on the desk. That's why I'll always prefer sff, but to each their own!
@@ryebread8063 agreed
if you have limited space SFF case is amazing takes up a lot less space then a normal one, plus portablity is so easy if you need to move your PC from location to location.
I am a uni student so move houses every year or so and can fit my PC in a backpack if i wanted to and can easily fit in the tiny rooms i get.
@@StuffAndMore "I am a uni student so move houses every year" Wait, how are those things related?
Imagine being to able to pick and choose which 3070 you wanted to use
Almost like its their job
can you change this from featured video? so annoying to hear everytime
Oof, I have the same exact GPU (3070) on a big ass case and get worse temps than that.
But I live in Brazil, so there's that too
Please, for the love of god, take this off of your home page. Fuck autoplaying media. If I hear "It won't fit" one more time I'm gonna punch my monitor.
@linus_tech_tips is it possible to install a 16 core amd cpu with 16 threads instead of 32 by doubleing the GHZ rate? LG
Agitating to have "It won't fit" playing every time I open LTT's youtube page.... please change to a different video i'm begging.
little timmy: *looks at empty DVD drive bay 'i can do that too'
5 minutes later: 'moooom the computer doesnt work anymore'
I can palm an NBA sized basketball... Having the use this case in a build would be one of the worst experiences in my life. 🤣
Since you are already building a PC that costs more than a motorcycle you could have ordered a custom case so you don't have to deal with those slightly longer cables than you need.
What kind of screwdriver did he use at 03:25? Looks handy!
some day i will have a gaming computer , maybe , Gotta Work Hard!!!!!!!!!!!
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Me: *skips 50 seconds ahead*
Thanks youtube for autoplaying this FUCKING video everytime on ltt homepage.
Damn. I did a similar build using a Silverstone SG13 a couple years ago. Mounted a SFX-L PSU where the front 120mm fan is meant to go and then put in a Noctua U12A cooler with a 3D printed vent which fits in the usual PSU spot. It's like Silverstone read my mind and built this case, but only AFTER I built my desktop - otherwise I would've been pretty tempted by this thing. Well, hell. Still am tempted. Well done Silverstone. Their products are exactly what people need even though they have no idea that they need them.
I've used small and cubic cases before and those consumers who wants smaller cases doesn't know what they are dealing with. If you ever think to slightly dusting, cleaning, changing thermal or any hardware along the way, you must avoid those kind of cases which causes a lot of pain to do any of work. But if you are okay to send your computer to tech every 6-12 months, then you are fine and it's their problem. But if I was a worker, I would've definetely charge extra amount for the pain it caused me.
I love Silverstone!. I have 2 of their mATX cases because of their amazing size and airflow.
I like the idea of a small case, in the same time I want at least a 360 or 420 AIO:)
Can't wait for Linus to see Optimum Tech's dual rad, water cooled ncase m1
I also have a Zotac Twin Edge 3070, i would say Zotac has done a great job making that thing!
Must be hard staying relevant when no one can buy a GPU or CPU anymore.
What would be a nice air cooling option for the cpu? The usual low profile noctua or something else?
No this case can fit decent single tower air coolers I believe
This isn't new. The SG13 could take up to a 280pm two slot GPU and had a big opening at the front to slide it in that way.
@@RJRC_105 sorry to necro, but after building in a sg13 - I'm buying a SG16
The cut out in the front of the sg13 does not allow taller GPUs to actually fit through.
It fit my 1050 and my 2060 Super - but couldn't fit my Asus 3070 :(
This video just solidifies my lack of desire to have my cases get smaller. I'll take easy access over smaller size every day.
I'll have an open air case😆all the access with the least possible footprint
Noctua's foam duct thing would work well here, just surround the GPU fans up from above while ensuring it wont block the exhaust fins.
Interesting suggestion. I'm building a pc using this case. How would you attach them to the GPU? Or would you just wedge them between the card and the case? Wedging would potentially add further mechanical strain to GPU sagging
@@WerdnaT00 There does seem to be some GPU sag visible in the video. Double sided tape on the top panel could work , but then you risk the foam becoming one-time-use only. It does seem like you can brace the GPU from below using the power supply or AIO, but that would be jank. It would be total overkill, but a deshroud and replacing the fans with ones you can actually screw the foam into would avoid both issues but adds extra cost.
It’s 2022 and I’m still waiting for a Dans Case
I have that motherboard and the M.2 fan on it is extremely loud
Do you think you can make me a pc for gaming under $2000 Aud
absoulutely perfect video, I have the same gpu and AIO and was looking to buy this case
"So what do you specialize in, high performance builds or small case builds ?"
Silverstone: *Yes*
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Finally retiring my old NCIX built PC from 2008 in a few weeks when I finally (hopefully) get my hands on a RTX 3060Ti. My current (OLD AF) build includes an Intel Core 2 Duo (2.53Ghz) with 4 GB of DDR2 RAM and originally a Geforce 9500GT upgraded to a GTX 550Ti lmao... I Can't even watch YT videos in 720p anymore without random freezing etc.. Games are unplayable. The PC I'm currently building has an Asus ROG Strix B550-F motherboard, 64 GB of 3600mhz G-Skill RGB Neo RAM, a Ryzen 5 5600x (with an AIO) & HOPEFULLY an RTX 3060Ti. I CANNOT wait to finally enjoy PC gaming.
Given all the offerings from Silverstone, you should do a "budget rackmount roundup". Silverstone has LOADS of them, and I'm sure you could find quite a few others to throw into it too.
1:39 thought you say VLS Vertical Launching System
I'm building a custom PC case out of the leftover bits remaining from a 1939 Philco radio that I made into a massive PC case in 2014. The big case will house my NAS, with it's motherboard and 12 hard drives, as well as a standard ATX motherboard for a workshop PC. My new case is 13 inches long, 10.5 inches tall, and 9.6 inches wide. It will support a full size ATX motherboard, with 7 low profile PCIe slots coming out the bottom of the case, and up to a 3 slot GPU exiting the rear. The PSU is an SFX supply, and the CPU is cooled by a Noctua NH-D15. The design rotates the CPU cooler 90°, and creates a sort of front to back wind tunnel effect. The front and rear grills are going to be waterjet cut custom brass panels. The GPU pulls air in through a top mounted brass grill as well. The case hinges open like one of those old style PowerMac G3/G4 towers. The whole thing is suspended off the desktop by legs, and will have a nixie clock built into the front.
There is no excuse for how bad this video serves as a guide. Firstly, that is not the Arctic Liquid Freezer II 120 that they are using. Secondly, why skip so much of the build showing how terrible it is to A. do it in this order and B. use these parts together.
will people stop this stupid trend of buying small cases? you need BIG cases so that you can fit your damn hands inside to clean, fix and replace things. am I the only one that cleans his PC's case-CPU+GPU fans every year?
Eh the TT core v1 has a GPU cut out to slide it in from the front as well. Its a little bigger of a case but also easier to work in and gets surprisingly good temps even with just air cooling. I even found a TV stand that would fit it so it works perfectly doing double duty as a gaming PC and HTPC for my projector.
Big fan, pun intended, of my TT Core V1. Best temps of any case I have built in.
@@Javious_Rex Yeah I was more than a little surprised considering I picked it up for like $30. Certainly the best temps I've ever seen considering there's only two fans in the whole system. A big 200mm front intake fan and a 120 on the CPU cooler with no output fan so all positive pressure since I have a blower style GPU.
@@gatticusfpv3174 I originally had a pair of 80mm fans in the rear, but when I removed them I found that my temps didn't increase. I use the vented panels on the top and GPU side, fresh air for the twin GPU fans and the hot air radiates out the top of the case.
Linus you never mention the ambient temp; how about it?
I would like to try the Seasonic SFX power supplies, in other places in even remedial use I have had a lot of bad luck with various brands of SFX power supplies, one of them the application was a DVR and after replacing the 3rd 500watt unit I took a drill and tin snips to the DVR housing and mounted a full size 380 watt ATX supply from Antec in it, and it's run happily for 5 years, when the SFX units from other players where lasting maybe 2 years at best, they weren't even under that heavy of a load.
Darn you Linus I’m getting it for my next build
Computers are great, they’re basically space heaters but you get some computational work done for free.
That's a THICC radiator!
yeah that zotac 3070 reminds me of the length of my evga 1070 SC, when I got my evga 3070 ti FTW3 Ultra i thought it was going to be so long it wouldn't fit into my full sized rosewill cullinan case.