@@Trisepta777 not teally palyers said if yiu download unofficial patch and sse engine fixes the performance is better than LE even my friend who has a low end pc said that SE performance is better than LE, he said he downloaded Sse engine fixes and the unoficial patch and performance better
This isn't some cute "oh Bethesda, oh you!" moment, it's borderline malicious behavior, but I'm getting used to blatant contempt and disregard for fans and consumers from every company by now :) They release a forced, mandatory update, and have the brass balls to lock us out of the content for said update behind a paywall, while knowingly obliterating almost all mod compatibility. And all this for what? Some crappy "premium" trash mods from their scam club? Were they sitting around thinking "man we've sold the game so many times already, but how can we strongarm the people who already bought the game into paying up again?" What a bunch of absolute scumbags heading up management at Bethesda, just wow. All of their IPs would genuinely be better off in the public domain. But then again, that's true for most AAA games these days. Bunch of sociopathic corporate snakes running everything good into the ground in every form of media.
Yeah, no other rational explanation than this. It's not even laziness at this point. It's all built on purpose, as an attempt to drain easy cash from an old playerbase. This game is 10 years old, it's time for them and investors to move on to something new already. Succeeding in it will be far more profitable than cow-milking Skyrim over and over again. But yeah, retarded managers and boomer decision-makers are short-sighted like in most companies nowadays I guess.
Bethesda.. Bethesda never changes. Modders do, through the mods they make. Because face it, ,with the Apotheosis mod coming soon, modders have made Elderscrolls 6 long before Bethesda did XD.
Keep single player games off the internet. Is that so difficult to do for game developers? I bet keeping one's pants on in real life must be equally difficult to them. Principles apply everywhere.
But... But... If games are kept off the Internet, how are the gaming companies going to keep track of which games you buy, which games you're playing the most, which game you're playing *right* *now,* and which ads to show you to get you to buy more stuff than you normally would?? Not to mention keeping track of your *achievements,* which is the *only* *thing* that makes you feel like you're acomplishing *anything!* NO! NO! We mustn't EVER let games be offline ever again! Why, the entire gaming industry would fall apart and come crashing down overnight if that ever happened!! D:
Once upon a time, businesses actually paid attention to what their customers actually wanted, instead of willfully damaging things they already paid for, with the plan being, "If they complain too much, we'll cry about mean tweets."
I stuck with LE all along. Creation club's micro-transactions interest me as much as a used diaper. Bethesda's success is only matched by their incompetence. I doubt they even fixed any of the bugs or broken scripts this time either. They never did before, so why would they now?
@@NamelessKing1597 I'd hope so. Going back to the version of Skyrim that Beth has abandoned seems like the only way to avoid their BS now. I honestly never saw the appeal of switching to special edition anyways. My line of thinking at the time was basically just: "What can Bethesda actually add(with cc) that modders haven't already done better for free?" The fact creation club broke mods every time Beth updated it by forcing you to download stuff you couldn't use is part of why I hate Bethesda now.
@@Mirthful_Midori LE is 32 bit so it's limited to only 4gb vram whereas SE is 64 bit so it doesn't have that limit which means it's more stable and doesn't crash as often. for example on LE i would crash super often on solstheim whereas on SE i don't remember crashing even once
Yeah I think the motivation is to break the independent mod scene And for everyone into creation club Prior to the launch of the next elder scrolls game.
Imagine buying the game to play vanilla with mediocre addo- FISHING?! Hell yeah! Bye 150+ modlist! Edit: Sarcasm. Wouldn't want that "We've heard you loud and clear!" excuse to be said
Actually, based on what she said, the motivation is more likely to make the game compatible with X-Box's streaming service because they were, you know, bought by Microsoft. Now, of course, Bethesda is lazy and unwilling to go the extra mile to accommodate the third-party mod scene, but I don't think that was their primary motivation.
So basically the modding community will have to shift towards modding a legacy version of SE out of practicality? I can se a silver lining in this even though bethesda doesn't give a squirt about the interest of the modding community unless they can profit from it
I'm about ready to send Todd Howard to the cloud district if ya know what I mean. My Frankenstein of a mod list is barely functional as is and this will send it back to the grave I'm sure.
I'm still playing oldrim, I've about 320 mods running. It's extremely unstable, it's like a closed ecosystem, just one invasive species or a cock up and it's over. It's like autism manifested in code. My own skyrim.
Go to the games location: -Rename the games main folder -Tell steam to uninstall -Maybe rename the folder back to what it was before so mod managers still detect it. Steam cant update something it doesnt think exists. Problem solved. If your trusting steam to just 'not update because you tell it to' your making a mistake.
@@JadeMythriil Tested it again. (I hadnt bothered doing it to my game yet) and it still works. Your fucked from trying to use the SkyrimSE launcher if i recall that will never launch. That said whatever issues that causes would happen under normal method as well. It should probably be said official launcher and maybe non skse will likely trigger a verify/update from steam if you run it and dont use my method. So, only skse works. I can bet bethesda's changes wont even benefit anyone.
Im curious to know if anyone actually bought something from it besides that survival add on. Most of the things I saw on it were already a mod on the nexus or console mod site
This is their way of shutting it down, while tacking on another price tag. It's disgusting. They killed free mods, and still get money, even though free mods are the only reason they stayed relevant. I am so looking forward to the day when they get a plate-full of karmic justice.
i think it's obvious by now that games that are mod friendly are good for the players and the developers. how many games today are literally alive if it werent for the mod communities. how many new games were born from mods. how many new genres were created because of mods.
If Bethesda succeeded in killing off the popularity of it's number one best-selling game of all time on it's tenth anniversary by updating the game as a reward to it's fanbase, that would be hilariously, deliciously ironic.
You shouldn't be ok with it, and feel free to call out the company everywhere, but people are saying don't harass employees because they don't have any control over this and it doesn't achieve anything useful.
Harrassing developers who slave their lives paycheck to paycheck and have nothing to do with the decisionmaking is not OK at all. You got to bring the fight to the heads, bit they listen only to the God of Money.
@@kabalofthebloodyspoon Parts of our country are dangerous, mostly major metropolitan areas but of course they are, have you seen the size of the country? We're the 3rd largest in population and the 4th in landmass. The only fair comparison that's actually safer is Canada (and not really because it's more sparsely populated) , obviously most of the countries in Western Europe are safer, most of them are smaller than individual states, and even they have cities where you can be stabbed if you walk down the wrong street at the wrong time of night. What kind of idiot thinks their entire country is safe?
Because it's likely that the people that would "be getting harassed, bullied and lambasted in the public square" would have had nothing to do with this decision-making.
Skyrim SE was my one refuge. They somehow manage to take that away from me too. There is only one thing left to do. Riot!!!! Bi stander: "What finally motivated people to start fighting?". Another bi stander: "They killed Skyrim."
This is so perfectly Bethesda.. they have become so far detached from their customers. Mods are the only thing keeping their games alive.. FO4 and Skyrim are still highly played games due to mods. Aaaaand of course they will make a sweeping change that will greatly affect your ability to mod.. for a third iteration of the same game with a couple mods built in that no one asked for. Perfectly Bethesda 👌 It just works
Playing skyrim SE on xbox one x. Recieved the update today and guess what? I can not load my save game anymore (267 hours played). Thank you Todd! What a great anniversery present!
You can also rename your Skyrim SE folder so steam doesn't recognize it. Since you launch through skse anyway it doesn't make a difference, but be sure to change any relevant pathways for mod tools like BethINI or whatever. Steam will then think Skyrim isn't installed at all (Make sure you right click and uninstall, so that you're left with only "install" as an option instead of play, feel free to download the vanilla game if you want) and you can now play two or more versions of Skyrim. This might save your ass if you accidentally launch on steam, I've done that before and I'd actually cry if I did that post AE
They literally could have made anniversary edition separate executable and its own thing and let special edition be the same and not break the mods but they chose to do it this way, this is a big middle finger to all the people who won't use their shitty microtransactions. and I'm sick of people claiming Bethesda allows people to mod their games, They really don't. all the cool mods you see are Hacks. People had to literally hack the game through meticulous and timely code injections to make the mods work, Bethesda could have allowed greater ability to mod but they don't. I wish skse dev abandons skyrim and all the modders just quit, that would be a big middle finger to Bethesda. not only does the AE break mods, they include creation store mods that take up space for other mods, there is only limited amount of address space for mods and these get taken up by mods from the store apparently 500 mods from the store.
didnt they do something similar for fallout 3? fo3 on steam got an update to no longer use windows live so it can finally launch when you press play, and the update broke mods... as usual, im starting to think fo4 is next 😨
I've bought Skyrim LE once on 360, once on Xbox one, Skyrim SE once on Xbox one, and once on steam after paying a thousand dollars for a pc to finally mod. Several months later this AE shit comes out. Hell with Bethesda. I'll just play days gone.
Terrible news for any large mod, I’m sure we can port smaller mods like horse armor and housing, but mods like Legacy of the Dragonborn, Inigo and Beyond Skyrim are going to suffer even more delays, meanwhile discontinued (but great) mods like Wyrmstooth are going to be left to rot. Combined with recent events of modders leaving the scene this is just disastrous …
Shiiit.. think about mods like Bruma or others in the works like Skyblivion.. guessing people who have SE and those who purchase the new version are never gonna see these mods before ES6
I knew this would happen since the beginning, the mod structure is very sensitive to changes in the code and anything like that can start a chain reaction that would leave our games unplayable! To make things even worse, many mod creators are gone, so don’t expect patches and fixes for all your mods after this… screw you Bethesda!
That's not even the worst part. Due to changes in the policies of Nexusmods, many moders deleted their mods from the site or plainly abandoned the mod community.
@@DragonSlayerBt nobody knows how deep this mess goes for sure. Even with a backup on another drive, I don’t know what would happen if I need to reinstall the game on a new pc, since it asks to go online during installation.
@@KrogTharr well, for starts, anniversary edition comes in the form of an update for special edition. You could try disable updates in Steam. Second, the change in the code means that almost any mod built with that code would be turned obsolete. Even if Skse64 is updated to be compatible with the new code, modders would need to rebuilt their mods from scratch to work with it, and in most cases this simply isn't possible, since it takes A LOT of time and resources. In short, you want mods, then go for the paid mods of the Creation Club.
This is the move they are making to capitalize on the Creation Club for the future release. Microsoft/Bethesda wants to get all of it! They saw what a free modding community can do for a games life span. This IS a prelude to the future business plan they have in store.
Thanks Koubitz for the info. Between my modded Skyrim SE and paying to play the same game with creation club content that I did not buy in the first place...my choice is pretty much done. Thanks again for this very precious piece of information. Back-Up done, Launch through Wrye Bash set.
While I certainly won't harass Beth about this....gotta say, it's a pretty fuckin' stupid move for them. I'd rather they just leave Skyrim the hell alone now. Seriously. Focus on VI and your other games. Creation Club was arguably a flop. Leave it be.
This is a terrible idea, the only people still playing Skyrim are modders or people who want to play a modded game, lol way to shoot themselves in the foot Bethesda
Wish they could just release the anniversary edition as a separate game. Just like when SE first came out. Then they wouldn't alienate modders and us. Also how did you get Tullius to look so good!
They would never sell their fishing mod then, and doing it this way kills free mods. They hate anything in their game they can't get profit from. It's such bs and, makes me not even want to go through this bs again, when they finally do release es6. They probably lost so many loyal customers with this move. Granted, re-releasing a single game so many times in a decade is in itself, a huge sin, this was the straw that broke the camels back, for me personally. These companies don't realize that if they did things our way, we would happily hand them more* money, for the lifespan of Bethesda. There are a ton of people that still buy this game after the 50th release, but that will end soon. What if they happen to lose all of the money made off this title? (It is possible.) What then? They won't have as many people willing to give them a cent. They deserve to lose everything.
@J316 Well i don't think they lost as many people as they probably could or should have. Thanks to our resilient modding community we are able to retain our SE functionality & mods. Still, I'm with you. I get that they are a business and need to maks money but i wish they would understand that their game has persisted so long only because of the modding communtiy which has operated non-profit/for free for so long. Instead of trying to alienate that they should find ways to support it and then focus on finishing their next games like ES6.
This is not being done to inconvenience you. Updating the compiler means that four years worth of enhancements and optimizations to C++ will be applied to the game, increasing its efficiency and performance, and potentially allowing it to utilize new CPU and GPU features as well. It also keeps Skyrim’s source in step with the programming language in which it is written, demonstrating BGS’s commitment to continue supporting it. What this update will break is literally unsupported to begin with. Replacing executable or library binaries is how these native code plugins have always worked. It is unreasonable to expect that Bethesda’s developers could or should survey the landscape of unofficially supported modifications of their game and tip toe around it. They have done the best that can be asked: not to deliberately and actively combat this kind of modding. And since this is always how this kind of modding has worked, it has always been incumbent upon mod authors to anticipate these kinds of changes and write software that is maintainable moving forward, in itself. There have been some good steps in this direction, but perhaps not enough if this is such an Earth-shattering event. My point is that the solution should not to simply be to “not move forward”. Perhaps, after this, modders will take even more steps to ensure their mods continuing utility, such as relying more on actively maintained abstraction layers and shims and open sourcing their projects to ensure they can be compiled and maintained by others in the future. We, as players, can try to encourage Bethesda to expand the scope of officially supported modification in future Elder Scrolls and Fallout single-player titles, doubling down on a strength in which they are already in the lead (see attempting to mod Rockstar titles for an example of how hard this can be without official tools like the Creation Kit). Constantly complaining when they dare to modernize their code base or attempt to devise incentive structures for them to support modding of games that are already becoming an endangered species (see the lawsuit against Valve in France concerning resale of DIGITAL goods) is not a recipe for success.
@@tjep2670 Here are the facts you're ignoring: - Valve charges a publishing fee per game based on the expense to their CDN of distributing it, which is continuous because of updates and reinstallations. Should Bethesda just foot the bill for trying to give you a better experience? - As you aptly point out, there is already a version of Skyrim that very rarely, if ever, gets further servicing releases that you could already be playing to avoid this problem. Why aren't you still on OldRim if you're so sensitive to these kinds of things? - I'm guessing you like the fact that SkyrimSE runs in 64-bit and has some backported features from Fallout 4's Creation Engine (like off the shelf DOF) that you enjoy. Heaven forbid we have any more of that kind of thing.
@@tjep2670 You're so entitled. Just because Bethesda can continuously earn money by doing more work they should pay for you to continue to use their product in a way that they did not intend? What are you talking about? I have the original release of Skyrim in my Steam library and can install it right now. I happen to have SE installed because it's better, but you're just patently wrong on this point. I guess what you mean here is that you're entitled to purchase a product that its creator is no longer selling. Interesting. But you're NOT being asked to pay again for a game you've already bought. The anniversary edition's technical upgrades are coming to you absolutely free of charge. And, despite the inconvenience to you and hassle for the mod authors, they will figure their way through it and you'll have a working search box in your SkyUI running on top of a faster, more efficient, more stable version of Skyrim without being charged one red cent before you know it. I'd say "cry more", but your entitled trantrum does have a deleterious effect on the folks that are trying to extend the life of the game you like and make it better. I like that game, too. So please, for the benefit of those of us not suffering from cognitive dissonance on this issue, grow up.
The issue, at least how I see it, is that quite a few mod authors have quit the mod scene entirely with what's happening on the nexus now. this update won't be as bad as what happened to fallout 3, but it will be horrible for the modding scene for quite some time. it really should've been an opt-in thing, but now it's gonna cause another rift in the modding scene. I'm quite worried about any other games that Bethesda chooses to modernize though, fallout 3 is just plain screwed, and tale of two wastelands may be broken for new installs since they repacked the game with that update. it doesn't hurt active modders, but the amount of inactive authors will be a problem going forward. This update may not be made to inconvenience us, but it will, Bethesda is messing with their lifeline, and it may just be the straw that broke the camel's back, especially after 4 years of constant skse breaking updates and the recent strife at the nexus. Modding has kept a mediocre at best rpg(despite how much I love the game) alive for 10 years, a game older than Morrowind was when Skyrim came out. I see dark times ahead for any users of skse reliant mods, such as myself, and the game in general.
Now now, this is what happened when SE came out, more or less, SKSE will update, new mods will update in time, but yes, old mods may not so backup and save to hold you over for the next 6 months/year until the modding community catches up!
Hey, I have a question. when I launch the game through SKSE, it still opens up steam, is there any way to make steam not open when I try launching special edition?
Hey I hope I don’t sound too dumb but will this also break on consoles? If so I’ll disable auto update but this will most likely lock me out of the game or make it so I can’t… wait nvm I just remembered you can’t launch games unless you update them.
I might be mistaken, but I plan to defeat the AE update by turning off autoupdate (it's actually been off years) and disconnecting my xbone from the internet before playing SSE, it's annoying, but not difficult. And apparently AE WILL break most or possibly ALL mods, but we'll see. Well, I won't, but somebody else will.
Welp, looks like when I get my gaming pc setup I'll just be pirating a version of untainted SE. Was gonna pay full price, but Ive already bought the game twice. I dont have the patience or kindness to put up with the b.s of all the awesome broken mods.
was kind of fast how most bugged mods were updated barely any broken mods from the ones I use (37 total) including SSE which lets me play 1080p on my 4k monitor in borderless windowed mode (I get about 30fps vanilla 15-20fps enb in 4k 60+ fps vanilla and "medium" enb at 1080p upscaled to fit 4k and no alt tab issues)
What if this was a malicious strategy? Drive as many players away as possible from a solid, personal and convenient modded Skyrim experience. Just to encourage us to buy their new product. Should this be true, it would probably mean that their new TES game would be shit and they would solely rely on marketing hype and broken previous games to make us purchase it. Who knows...
And do not pirate Skyrim SE, do not even THINK about pirating Skyrim SE, do not even think about NOT pirating Skyrim SE. Not even if Bethesda made the pirated Skyrim SE the objectively better copy than the legitimate purchased Skyrim SE.
What if I set my Skyrim Special Edition to, "only update at launch", then simply pull the ethernet cord from my computer before I launch Skyrim everytime. Then it will never update. Is that correct?
Thanks so much for this heads up!! I've been putting off playing skyrim because i had to get a new laptop and don't feel like putting in the time to remod it but now I guessi have to dx
This is why I’ve been modding fallout 4 I’m scared of making a load order that works that breaks in less than a month. I hope the modding community is quick to this change I don’t want to wait until 2087 for the next elder scrolls game.
I always keep zipped mods on my back up folder to reinstall Skyrim SE or this update. Damn I have to delete most of my mods and Skyrim SE completely for this update.
Because of the SKSE update I can no longer play Skyrim because it made 4 of my important mods incompatible. Without them the other mods don't work. I have no idea what to do other then check back in a month to see if fixes or updates were made.
When I started playing skyrim se last when I got it on my PC with Xbox game pass for PC the AE patch was released a few months later and it didn't change the mods behavior at all although my game was already a bit glitchy because the PC game pass with Xbox had only just been released
Updating your game is fine. Forcibly updating your game is less fine. Forcibly updating your game in such a way that almost entirely removes a decade's worth of mod support is borderline criminal. Never touching Bethesda games again. The entire dev team should just be fired and replaced with modders.
The modding scene on console for SE wasnt the best with a lot of mods either crashing your system or just not working in general which is why most of the skyrim modding community is on PC. They shouldve made mods more compatible with consoles instead of just adding a mod browser and calling it a day. I get that skyrim is filled with a lot and i mean a lot of NSFW mods but there are genuinely good mods that creators put a lot of work into. Ive noticed that many mod creators will port their mods to console but never update them for it which i can understand since bethesda doesnt really make it easy and it is a pain to port mods to console in the first place. This just seems like bethesdas way of monetizing mods.
Skyrim Players running away with their sack of mods: You're not gonna kill me!
Todd: Archers!
LMAO
"Anyone else feel like modding?"
This comment totally deserves the pin.
Priceless 🤣🤣🤣….
and sad when you realize you play on PlayStation 😢
"You there, step forward."
Me still playing on LE:
"I’ve been huntin’ and fishin’ in these parts for years."
Same.
Same still playing LE people said SE perofrmance is better though thats probably true
@@thegourd7285 It really depends on your computer. I can run LE with mods and an ENB and get better FPS and performance than Vanilla SE.
@@Trisepta777 not teally palyers said if yiu download unofficial patch and sse engine fixes the performance is better than LE even my friend who has a low end pc said that SE performance is better than LE, he said he downloaded Sse engine fixes and the unoficial patch and performance better
Beyond skyrim is coming...
Modders: finally fixed the very last bug in Skyrim
Bethesda: Oh no you don't!
Radiant quest: Fix every bug in Skyrim. Completed? Reward: Skyrim update.
This isn't some cute "oh Bethesda, oh you!" moment, it's borderline malicious behavior, but I'm getting used to blatant contempt and disregard for fans and consumers from every company by now :)
They release a forced, mandatory update, and have the brass balls to lock us out of the content for said update behind a paywall, while knowingly obliterating almost all mod compatibility. And all this for what? Some crappy "premium" trash mods from their scam club? Were they sitting around thinking "man we've sold the game so many times already, but how can we strongarm the people who already bought the game into paying up again?"
What a bunch of absolute scumbags heading up management at Bethesda, just wow. All of their IPs would genuinely be better off in the public domain. But then again, that's true for most AAA games these days. Bunch of sociopathic corporate snakes running everything good into the ground in every form of media.
I whole heartedly agree with you, we would be lucky if the suits at Bethesda even had room temperature IQ the worthless wastes of human life.
It's 100% greed driven. Microsoft probably helped push the idea too.
Yeah, no other rational explanation than this. It's not even laziness at this point. It's all built on purpose, as an attempt to drain easy cash from an old playerbase. This game is 10 years old, it's time for them and investors to move on to something new already. Succeeding in it will be far more profitable than cow-milking Skyrim over and over again. But yeah, retarded managers and boomer decision-makers are short-sighted like in most companies nowadays I guess.
So true! And since Microsoft took over, it will only get worse...
Prepare! For the Net Nanny Nipple as the Moo-moo-ilkings commence!!
Yes, but most importantly make sure you don't contact or hassle them about it... just stand by in silence and let it happen :/
The entire reason skyrim is still relevant enough to have a 10th anniversary is because of modders and mod users. They should show us more respect.
Is pathetic, I hate this bs
2:46 - Personally, Skyrim is only considered one of the best single player games of all time because of the modding community.
not true
@@divinefavour1289 no he’s right
@@divinefavour1289 no, he's right
@@divinefavour1289 no, he's right
@@divinefavour1289 no, he's right
Of Bethesda would break the mods that make their flagship game playable in the first place. Todd found his true love at Microsoft.
It’s perfectly playable without mods
@@Yive. This has to be sarcasm, once you start modding til your game breaks only to do it all over again a month later, you can't go back.
@@Yive.good goyim Microsoft loves you
@@zu-zu5940?
Bethesda.. Bethesda never changes. Modders do, through the mods they make. Because face it, ,with the Apotheosis mod coming soon, modders have made Elderscrolls 6 long before Bethesda did XD.
Man when is apotheosis comming I am waiting
@@darkreaper4217 probably by the end of the year, in the worst case it would come out in February
Nice. I thought Apotheosis is cancelled. Glad to see its still being worked on.
i read this in nate’s voice with fallout 4s opening theme playing in my head.
Keep single player games off the internet. Is that so difficult to do for game developers?
I bet keeping one's pants on in real life must be equally difficult to them.
Principles apply everywhere.
But... But...
If games are kept off the Internet, how are the gaming companies going to keep track of which games you buy, which games you're playing the most, which game you're playing *right* *now,* and which ads to show you to get you to buy more stuff than you normally would??
Not to mention keeping track of your *achievements,* which is the *only* *thing* that makes you feel like you're acomplishing *anything!*
NO! NO! We mustn't EVER let games be offline ever again!
Why, the entire gaming industry would fall apart and come crashing down overnight if that ever happened!! D:
@@Hare_deLune nice one, was gonna say something of the same lol
Weird... I thought I was being an old fuck when I still play oldrim... My condolences to SE Skyrim modders
Entire modding gamebase: Happily playing away near the side of a cliff.
Bethesda: "FUS... "
Instead of constantly spamming "Raise Zombie" on Skyrim they should start to work on TES 6.
Yes! Completely agree.
my necro
Raised zombie turn into ash. It's more like "Death Thrall" spamming
This means, that the requiem port will be obsolete before it is even released. Thanks Bethesda!
lol welcome to the famous modding scene.. i am used to this trash from bethesda since i been modding the game since 2012... bethesda never changes
Once upon a time, businesses actually paid attention to what their customers actually wanted, instead of willfully damaging things they already paid for, with the plan being, "If they complain too much, we'll cry about mean tweets."
Starting to wonder if Bethesda is taking the "any publicity is good publicity" stance. Some of their decision making.. wtf.. 🤦♂️
I stuck with LE all along. Creation club's micro-transactions interest me as much as a used diaper. Bethesda's success is only matched by their incompetence. I doubt they even fixed any of the bugs or broken scripts this time either. They never did before, so why would they now?
Because As our Lord and Savior says... IT JUST WORKS
Do you think more authors will go back and update their mods there now? Do you think there will be more backports?
@@NamelessKing1597 I'd hope so. Going back to the version of Skyrim that Beth has abandoned seems like the only way to avoid their BS now.
I honestly never saw the appeal of switching to special edition anyways. My line of thinking at the time was basically just: "What can Bethesda actually add(with cc) that modders haven't already done better for free?" The fact creation club broke mods every time Beth updated it by forcing you to download stuff you couldn't use is part of why I hate Bethesda now.
Then maybe Le will be next to update.
@@Mirthful_Midori LE is 32 bit so it's limited to only 4gb vram whereas SE is 64 bit so it doesn't have that limit which means it's more stable and doesn't crash as often. for example on LE i would crash super often on solstheim whereas on SE i don't remember crashing even once
I used to be an adventurer like you, then I took a Bethesda update to the knee
Honestly, we gotta make a riot
Yeah I think the motivation is to break the independent mod scene And for everyone into creation club Prior to the launch of the next elder scrolls game.
If they think I'm joining creation club they're absolutely out of their minds.
Yup. I wouldn't touch that lazy collection of crap with a ten foot pole.
And yes that's ABSOLUTELY what they're trying to do.
Imagine buying the game to play vanilla with mediocre addo- FISHING?! Hell yeah! Bye 150+ modlist!
Edit: Sarcasm. Wouldn't want that "We've heard you loud and clear!" excuse to be said
creation club will end if u add porn mods lol
Actually, based on what she said, the motivation is more likely to make the game compatible with X-Box's streaming service because they were, you know, bought by Microsoft. Now, of course, Bethesda is lazy and unwilling to go the extra mile to accommodate the third-party mod scene, but I don't think that was their primary motivation.
So basically the modding community will have to shift towards modding a legacy version of SE out of practicality? I can se a silver lining in this even though bethesda doesn't give a squirt about the interest of the modding community unless they can profit from it
I just made a mod that requires DLL plugin loader. Which is the type of mod that will definantly be broken by this update :(
I'm about ready to send Todd Howard to the cloud district if ya know what I mean. My Frankenstein of a mod list is barely functional as is and this will send it back to the grave I'm sure.
I'm still playing oldrim, I've about 320 mods running. It's extremely unstable, it's like a closed ecosystem, just one invasive species or a cock up and it's over. It's like autism manifested in code.
My own skyrim.
@@noelienoelie8425 Amen
Go to the games location:
-Rename the games main folder
-Tell steam to uninstall
-Maybe rename the folder back to what it was before so mod managers still detect it.
Steam cant update something it doesnt think exists.
Problem solved. If your trusting steam to just 'not update because you tell it to' your making a mistake.
THIS!
doesn't the game need to check with steam if the game is installed?
@@JadeMythriil Tested it again. (I hadnt bothered doing it to my game yet) and it still works. Your fucked from trying to use the SkyrimSE launcher if i recall that will never launch.
That said whatever issues that causes would happen under normal method as well. It should probably be said official launcher and maybe non skse will likely trigger a verify/update from steam if you run it and dont use my method.
So, only skse works. I can bet bethesda's changes wont even benefit anyone.
can u make a vod for us noobs
@@Ay-xq7mj Damn it actually does work. Thanks for the tip man!
Yup I called this as soon as I heard about creation club. I knew this was coming.
Im curious to know if anyone actually bought something from it besides that survival add on. Most of the things I saw on it were already a mod on the nexus or console mod site
This is their way of shutting it down, while tacking on another price tag. It's disgusting. They killed free mods, and still get money, even though free mods are the only reason they stayed relevant. I am so looking forward to the day when they get a plate-full of karmic justice.
I wish Bethesda would just leave Skyrim alone
Can't wait for the skyrim down grader community fix.
One is apparently on the nexus already but not eager to check lol, have it as a hopeful safety net if i download the update by accident
i think it's obvious by now that games that are mod friendly are good for the players and the developers. how many games today are literally alive if it werent for the mod communities. how many new games were born from mods. how many new genres were created because of mods.
they just killed the immortality of Skyrim by updating it; well, who cares when we got fishing? right? RIGHT?
If Bethesda succeeded in killing off the popularity of it's number one best-selling game of all time on it's tenth anniversary by updating the game as a reward to it's fanbase, that would be hilariously, deliciously ironic.
Thankful for Fitgirl maintaining a legacy version
They're always screwing things up.
The update should be optional. Wtf??? I never wanted the Skyrim anniversary edition in the first place.
TOO BAD TODD WANTS YOU TO HAVE IT AND YOUR GONNA BE A GOOD LITTLE BOY AND SIT DOWN AND EAT WHAT TODD FEEDS YOU
@@savagecanadian9659 😂😂😂
@@savagecanadian9659 lol
i 10000% feel bethesda should be getting harassed, bullied and lambasted in the public square. why should we just be ok with this?
You shouldn't be ok with it, and feel free to call out the company everywhere, but people are saying don't harass employees because they don't have any control over this and it doesn't achieve anything useful.
Americans have difficulty accepting they live in a dangerous county after praying to the flag every day in school
Harrassing developers who slave their lives paycheck to paycheck and have nothing to do with the decisionmaking is not OK at all. You got to bring the fight to the heads, bit they listen only to the God of Money.
@@kabalofthebloodyspoon Parts of our country are dangerous, mostly major metropolitan areas but of course they are, have you seen the size of the country? We're the 3rd largest in population and the 4th in landmass. The only fair comparison that's actually safer is Canada (and not really because it's more sparsely populated) , obviously most of the countries in Western Europe are safer, most of them are smaller than individual states, and even they have cities where you can be stabbed if you walk down the wrong street at the wrong time of night. What kind of idiot thinks their entire country is safe?
Because it's likely that the people that would "be getting harassed, bullied and lambasted in the public square" would have had nothing to do with this decision-making.
Skyrim SE was my one refuge. They somehow manage to take that away from me too.
There is only one thing left to do. Riot!!!!
Bi stander: "What finally motivated people to start fighting?".
Another bi stander: "They killed Skyrim."
Also Skyrim was the only game I bought from Bef. Never buying another if they treat customers like this.
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Me, gesturing at the modding community: "Some may call this junk, but me? I call them treasures~"
Belethesdor: EvErYtHiNg'S fOr SaLe!
This is so perfectly Bethesda.. they have become so far detached from their customers. Mods are the only thing keeping their games alive.. FO4 and Skyrim are still highly played games due to mods. Aaaaand of course they will make a sweeping change that will greatly affect your ability to mod.. for a third iteration of the same game with a couple mods built in that no one asked for. Perfectly Bethesda 👌
It just works
They just want to fuck over free and independent mods to squeeze as much money out of it as they can.
Playing skyrim SE on xbox one x. Recieved the update today and guess what? I can not load my save game anymore (267 hours played). Thank you Todd! What a great anniversery present!
Bethesda is Self-Sabotaging their Own Games... Skyrim Anniversary, Fallout 76, Remastered Edition, etc.
me, with a pirate copy of the game for modding: You have no power here! Hehehehahahaaa!
This is what I did when Game of Thrones Season 8 came out. Still haven't watched it to this day.
Turn to the dark side
Pirate SE
You can also rename your Skyrim SE folder so steam doesn't recognize it. Since you launch through skse anyway it doesn't make a difference, but be sure to change any relevant pathways for mod tools like BethINI or whatever.
Steam will then think Skyrim isn't installed at all (Make sure you right click and uninstall, so that you're left with only "install" as an option instead of play, feel free to download the vanilla game if you want) and you can now play two or more versions of Skyrim.
This might save your ass if you accidentally launch on steam, I've done that before and I'd actually cry if I did that post AE
They literally could have made anniversary edition separate executable and its own thing and let special edition be the same and not break the mods but they chose to do it this way, this is a big middle finger to all the people who won't use their shitty microtransactions.
and I'm sick of people claiming Bethesda allows people to mod their games, They really don't. all the cool mods you see are Hacks. People had to literally hack the game through meticulous and timely code injections to make the mods work, Bethesda could have allowed greater ability to mod but they don't.
I wish skse dev abandons skyrim and all the modders just quit, that would be a big middle finger to Bethesda.
not only does the AE break mods, they include creation store mods that take up space for other mods, there is only limited amount of address space for mods and these get taken up by mods from the store apparently 500 mods from the store.
I really enjoy the enthusiasm your bring to your videos!
didnt they do something similar for fallout 3? fo3 on steam got an update to no longer use windows live so it can finally launch when you press play, and the update broke mods... as usual, im starting to think fo4 is next 😨
yes, juicehead just made a video about it. Now that you're mentioning it tho, I should probably also tell steam not to update fallout 4 as well... lol
It just works
I've bought Skyrim LE once on 360, once on Xbox one, Skyrim SE once on Xbox one, and once on steam after paying a thousand dollars for a pc to finally mod. Several months later this AE shit comes out. Hell with Bethesda. I'll just play days gone.
Terrible news for any large mod, I’m sure we can port smaller mods like horse armor and housing, but mods like Legacy of the Dragonborn, Inigo and Beyond Skyrim are going to suffer even more delays, meanwhile discontinued (but great) mods like Wyrmstooth are going to be left to rot.
Combined with recent events of modders leaving the scene this is just disastrous …
Shiiit.. think about mods like Bruma or others in the works like Skyblivion.. guessing people who have SE and those who purchase the new version are never gonna see these mods before ES6
I knew this would happen since the beginning, the mod structure is very sensitive to changes in the code and anything like that can start a chain reaction that would leave our games unplayable!
To make things even worse, many mod creators are gone, so don’t expect patches and fixes for all your mods after this… screw you Bethesda!
That's not even the worst part. Due to changes in the policies of Nexusmods, many moders deleted their mods from the site or plainly abandoned the mod community.
@@DragonSlayerBt nobody knows how deep this mess goes for sure. Even with a backup on another drive, I don’t know what would happen if I need to reinstall the game on a new pc, since it asks to go online during installation.
@@KrogTharr well, for starts, anniversary edition comes in the form of an update for special edition. You could try disable updates in Steam. Second, the change in the code means that almost any mod built with that code would be turned obsolete. Even if Skse64 is updated to be compatible with the new code, modders would need to rebuilt their mods from scratch to work with it, and in most cases this simply isn't possible, since it takes A LOT of time and resources. In short, you want mods, then go for the paid mods of the Creation Club.
haha I still use legendary edition, so my mods will be fine!
Well, fuck me better run SE from the launcher right now before it drops in a month.
I'm going to set steam offline just to be safe.
After this I'm officially never buying any of Bethesda products
now when i rty play i just get a black screen :( and if i remove like my mods i get a corrupted save so ima have to play a new character for a bit
This is the move they are making to capitalize on the Creation Club for the future release. Microsoft/Bethesda wants to get all of it! They saw what a free modding community can do for a games life span. This IS a prelude to the future business plan they have in store.
1:30 no no keep beating it, because it's very much alive and trying to turn Skyrim into Fallout: 76 complete with refrigerator props for $6.99
well i dont play on mods but they destroyed my save when i load it i got black screen ;(
Hey, Bethesda put free creation club stuff in my game!…. How do I get creation club stuff out my game? :D
Thanks Koubitz for the info. Between my modded Skyrim SE and paying to play the same game with creation club content that I did not buy in the first place...my choice is pretty much done. Thanks again for this very precious piece of information. Back-Up done, Launch through Wrye Bash set.
While I certainly won't harass Beth about this....gotta say, it's a pretty fuckin' stupid move for them. I'd rather they just leave Skyrim the hell alone now. Seriously. Focus on VI and your other games. Creation Club was arguably a flop. Leave it be.
*Skyrim beyond project* : oh shitttt here we go again green
Would it still matter if I only run off of skse64_launcher anyway? Like do I have to do any safety circumstances?
This is a terrible idea, the only people still playing Skyrim are modders or people who want to play a modded game, lol way to shoot themselves in the foot Bethesda
Mildly good idea; terrible, horrific implementation.
Bethesda's hallmark.
Well done, Koubitz
can you please do a short video on how to backup the files you suggested we backup///purty please
Just switched to se a week ago and how happy I am to still have my le version and all needed mods installed!
Leers from the shadows in Oldrim 🧠
I gave up on them along time ago
Wish they could just release the anniversary edition as a separate game. Just like when SE first came out. Then they wouldn't alienate modders and us.
Also how did you get Tullius to look so good!
They would never sell their fishing mod then, and doing it this way kills free mods. They hate anything in their game they can't get profit from. It's such bs and, makes me not even want to go through this bs again, when they finally do release es6. They probably lost so many loyal customers with this move. Granted, re-releasing a single game so many times in a decade is in itself, a huge sin, this was the straw that broke the camels back, for me personally. These companies don't realize that if they did things our way, we would happily hand them more* money, for the lifespan of Bethesda. There are a ton of people that still buy this game after the 50th release, but that will end soon. What if they happen to lose all of the money made off this title? (It is possible.) What then? They won't have as many people willing to give them a cent. They deserve to lose everything.
@J316 Well i don't think they lost as many people as they probably could or should have. Thanks to our resilient modding community we are able to retain our SE functionality & mods. Still, I'm with you. I get that they are a business and need to maks money but i wish they would understand that their game has persisted so long only because of the modding communtiy which has operated non-profit/for free for so long. Instead of trying to alienate that they should find ways to support it and then focus on finishing their next games like ES6.
This is not being done to inconvenience you. Updating the compiler means that four years worth of enhancements and optimizations to C++ will be applied to the game, increasing its efficiency and performance, and potentially allowing it to utilize new CPU and GPU features as well. It also keeps Skyrim’s source in step with the programming language in which it is written, demonstrating BGS’s commitment to continue supporting it.
What this update will break is literally unsupported to begin with. Replacing executable or library binaries is how these native code plugins have always worked. It is unreasonable to expect that Bethesda’s developers could or should survey the landscape of unofficially supported modifications of their game and tip toe around it. They have done the best that can be asked: not to deliberately and actively combat this kind of modding.
And since this is always how this kind of modding has worked, it has always been incumbent upon mod authors to anticipate these kinds of changes and write software that is maintainable moving forward, in itself. There have been some good steps in this direction, but perhaps not enough if this is such an Earth-shattering event.
My point is that the solution should not to simply be to “not move forward”. Perhaps, after this, modders will take even more steps to ensure their mods continuing utility, such as relying more on actively maintained abstraction layers and shims and open sourcing their projects to ensure they can be compiled and maintained by others in the future. We, as players, can try to encourage Bethesda to expand the scope of officially supported modification in future Elder Scrolls and Fallout single-player titles, doubling down on a strength in which they are already in the lead (see attempting to mod Rockstar titles for an example of how hard this can be without official tools like the Creation Kit). Constantly complaining when they dare to modernize their code base or attempt to devise incentive structures for them to support modding of games that are already becoming an endangered species (see the lawsuit against Valve in France concerning resale of DIGITAL goods) is not a recipe for success.
@@tjep2670 Here are the facts you're ignoring:
- Valve charges a publishing fee per game based on the expense to their CDN of distributing it, which is continuous because of updates and reinstallations. Should Bethesda just foot the bill for trying to give you a better experience?
- As you aptly point out, there is already a version of Skyrim that very rarely, if ever, gets further servicing releases that you could already be playing to avoid this problem. Why aren't you still on OldRim if you're so sensitive to these kinds of things?
- I'm guessing you like the fact that SkyrimSE runs in 64-bit and has some backported features from Fallout 4's Creation Engine (like off the shelf DOF) that you enjoy. Heaven forbid we have any more of that kind of thing.
@@tjep2670 You're so entitled. Just because Bethesda can continuously earn money by doing more work they should pay for you to continue to use their product in a way that they did not intend?
What are you talking about? I have the original release of Skyrim in my Steam library and can install it right now. I happen to have SE installed because it's better, but you're just patently wrong on this point. I guess what you mean here is that you're entitled to purchase a product that its creator is no longer selling. Interesting.
But you're NOT being asked to pay again for a game you've already bought. The anniversary edition's technical upgrades are coming to you absolutely free of charge. And, despite the inconvenience to you and hassle for the mod authors, they will figure their way through it and you'll have a working search box in your SkyUI running on top of a faster, more efficient, more stable version of Skyrim without being charged one red cent before you know it.
I'd say "cry more", but your entitled trantrum does have a deleterious effect on the folks that are trying to extend the life of the game you like and make it better. I like that game, too. So please, for the benefit of those of us not suffering from cognitive dissonance on this issue, grow up.
The issue, at least how I see it, is that quite a few mod authors have quit the mod scene entirely with what's happening on the nexus now. this update won't be as bad as what happened to fallout 3, but it will be horrible for the modding scene for quite some time.
it really should've been an opt-in thing, but now it's gonna cause another rift in the modding scene.
I'm quite worried about any other games that Bethesda chooses to modernize though, fallout 3 is just plain screwed, and tale of two wastelands may be broken for new installs since they repacked the game with that update. it doesn't hurt active modders, but the amount of inactive authors will be a problem going forward.
This update may not be made to inconvenience us, but it will, Bethesda is messing with their lifeline, and it may just be the straw that broke the camel's back, especially after 4 years of constant skse breaking updates and the recent strife at the nexus. Modding has kept a mediocre at best rpg(despite how much I love the game) alive for 10 years, a game older than Morrowind was when Skyrim came out. I see dark times ahead for any users of skse reliant mods, such as myself, and the game in general.
Now now, this is what happened when SE came out, more or less, SKSE will update, new mods will update in time, but yes, old mods may not so backup and save to hold you over for the next 6 months/year until the modding community catches up!
Hey, I have a question. when I launch the game through SKSE, it still opens up steam, is there any way to make steam not open when I try launching special edition?
Hey I hope I don’t sound too dumb but will this also break on consoles? If so I’ll disable auto update but this will most likely lock me out of the game or make it so I can’t… wait nvm I just remembered you can’t launch games unless you update them.
no because consoles can't use skse. It *shouldn't* affect other mods, to my knowledge.
I might be mistaken, but I plan to defeat the AE update by turning off autoupdate (it's actually been off years) and disconnecting my xbone from the internet before playing SSE, it's annoying, but not difficult. And apparently AE WILL break most or possibly ALL mods, but we'll see. Well, I won't, but somebody else will.
@@reesetorwad8346 the mods in question are not on xbox because all of them require SKSE, which is pc only. Xbox mods will most likely be fine.
Lol what a joke. Sounds just like Bethesda.
looks like im going back to legendary edition just so i can play skyrim
there's plenty of modders that probably won't come back and plenty who haven't posted in years :-/
Welp, looks like when I get my gaming pc setup I'll just be pirating a version of untainted SE. Was gonna pay full price, but Ive already bought the game twice. I dont have the patience or kindness to put up with the b.s of all the awesome broken mods.
So, what you're telling me is to get a cracked version of SSE, gotcha 😇
Is vortex still good or do I have to get mod organizer? I've gotten used to vortex so I hope I am good
As long as you're not opening Skyrim's launcher, you should be good
Vortex is a type of mod organizer youre good! :D
I literally only upgraded to special edition for the separate character saves and now all my mods will go to sht for that. Thanks bethesda.
Damn you Bethesda!
I play Skyrim to be a God, not a f*cking fisherman!
Screw fish! I eat people’s body and soul 🤣
You can beat the dead horse you like... as long as it's..............
wearing armor
was kind of fast how most bugged mods were updated barely any broken mods from the ones I use (37 total) including SSE which lets me play 1080p on my 4k monitor in borderless windowed mode (I get about 30fps vanilla 15-20fps enb in 4k 60+ fps vanilla and "medium" enb at 1080p upscaled to fit 4k and no alt tab issues)
Also launch Steam then Skyrim through your SKSE icon or mod manager, otherwise Steam boots up and launches it traditionally.
I knew this was gonna break mods but I had no idea it was gonna be this bad. By the time everything's fixed Elderscrolls 6 will have come out
What if this was a malicious strategy? Drive as many players away as possible from a solid, personal and convenient modded Skyrim experience. Just to encourage us to buy their new product. Should this be true, it would probably mean that their new TES game would be shit and they would solely rely on marketing hype and broken previous games to make us purchase it. Who knows...
And do not pirate Skyrim SE, do not even THINK about pirating Skyrim SE, do not even think about NOT pirating Skyrim SE. Not even if Bethesda made the pirated Skyrim SE the objectively better copy than the legitimate purchased Skyrim SE.
Seems to me the SE crowd is about to get the Skyrim VR modding experience!
I'm so sorry.
Low blow... :(
legit have like 700 plus mods :( jebus was worried this would happen.
What if I set my Skyrim Special Edition to, "only update at launch", then simply pull the ethernet cord from my computer before I launch Skyrim everytime. Then it will never update. Is that correct?
Thanks so much for this heads up!! I've been putting off playing skyrim because i had to get a new laptop and don't feel like putting in the time to remod it but now I guessi have to dx
switch steam to offline mode before you launch skyrim to be safest
Shit, can I do that from my phone?
And just like that Skyrim has me going through visual studio update guides. I really should get a dragonborn helmet while I read this stuff.
This is why I’ve been modding fallout 4 I’m scared of making a load order that works that breaks in less than a month. I hope the modding community is quick to this change I don’t want to wait until 2087 for the next elder scrolls game.
PC going offline before powering it on. Not bricking me. Also looks like I am going to have to learn to code.
I always keep zipped mods on my back up folder to reinstall Skyrim SE or this update. Damn I have to delete most of my mods and Skyrim SE completely for this update.
Because of the SKSE update I can no longer play Skyrim because it made 4 of my important mods incompatible. Without them the other mods don't work. I have no idea what to do other then check back in a month to see if fixes or updates were made.
Hey, i know this is slightly unrelated, but do you know of this will affect next gen console mods? Couldn't find any answer anywhere else ;_;
When I started playing skyrim se last when I got it on my PC with Xbox game pass for PC the AE patch was released a few months later and it didn't change the mods behavior at all although my game was already a bit glitchy because the PC game pass with Xbox had only just been released
So just like SE before I was better off with Oldrim. -_-; Depending on how this shakes out I may just go re-purchase it and toss SE finally.
do it. Thats what i just did today. Downloaded a bunch of mods for LE
Joke's on you Todd, I already broke my Skyrim last week
Updating your game is fine.
Forcibly updating your game is less fine.
Forcibly updating your game in such a way that almost entirely removes a decade's worth of mod support is borderline criminal.
Never touching Bethesda games again. The entire dev team should just be fired and replaced with modders.
The modding scene on console for SE wasnt the best with a lot of mods either crashing your system or just not working in general which is why most of the skyrim modding community is on PC. They shouldve made mods more compatible with consoles instead of just adding a mod browser and calling it a day. I get that skyrim is filled with a lot and i mean a lot of NSFW mods but there are genuinely good mods that creators put a lot of work into. Ive noticed that many mod creators will port their mods to console but never update them for it which i can understand since bethesda doesnt really make it easy and it is a pain to port mods to console in the first place. This just seems like bethesdas way of monetizing mods.