I can't believe you think those Fox shocks are stiff. They are far and away the softest, smoothest shocks I've owned or driven on any lifted Jeep. I couldn't be happier with them. No issue with the control arms or spring perches, either. I have had a great experience with the Mopar lift. I've got a great dealership, too. Sounds like you need to find a better one. That's not an issue with the lift, at all.
The shift on rear track bar is 2.5mm and front is 2.2mm, which is very minor. Also the thin built control arms are to save the chassis. I’ve written of a vehicle by warping the chassis by putting stronger parts than the chassis itself. Recently I wrecked rear track bar and there was no other damage, replacing the felt much better and cheap. Mopar and many other basic lifts are just means to raise the vehicle to fit bigger tires and some benefits of better angles and capability over stock configuration. For any hardcore rock crawling or off-roading, these are not the right choices. 2-3” JL lifts with 37s have no gain in articulation, no rub margins are so narrow that can’t even accommodate chains. 35s look a bit small but chains can be used on them which may help over a larger tire in mud and snow. I’m glad that JL is still a purpose built vehicle and has the most options available in the aftermarket parts and accessories. It can out wallet before it’d outrun ones capability. Anyway, most other upgraded rigs end where a stock JLUR begins and that’s the best thing about it. As far as the upgrades go, it’s a continuous process of liking, affordability, learning, and redoing.
I was thinking about purchasing one since I only want to run 35’s with a small lift. My buddy has the Mopar 2” lift and hates it, says it rides terrible.
@@rxtu7367I don't agree at all. Ride is better less cornering on road more stable and more solid on towing. I did added an ajustable track bar cause i also have teraflex leveler. But I didn't pay for it. It was on it. My numbers on alignment are bagn on now. On my gladiator. This kit is great. But I am not doing rubicon crazy offroad. It all depends on your habits and needs
The Mopar lift was the first thing I got , well cause it’s Mopar and would not void Any warranty you might have and I even had Jeep dealer install it. I am quite happy with it no issues and works great on the rubicon.
It has its place. But I stand behind my assessment... for the price... not worth it to me... but I can totally understand someone’s desire to keep it 100% warrantyable. But no way this lift could keep up with what I do..
Spending $55K for the 1st year of a new style (2018) I knew that I ran a high risk of having bugs/issues with the Jeep so I went with the MOPAR lift to protect the warranty. I agree 100% with everything said in this video about the quality vs price of the MOPAR lift. In my case however, the extra $ for the lift has paid off since in my 1st 40K miles, I have had thousands of dollars of warranty work done, from grinding and redoing the majority of my frame welds, to electrical issues, to replacing my rear axle differential/locker and shafts. With the rear axle issue the dealership recognized that I had the MOPAR lift but still made me prove that the lift was installed by a "certified MOPAR tech" before proceeding with the warranty repair even though the issue with the axle had nothing to do with the lift. Smh. Since I have had so many warranty repairs thus far, I went with the extended warranty but look forward to the day when I can start replacing things with aftermarket parts. Truth be told though, after 30K miles on the lift, the springs and shocks feel pretty good on and off road...or maybe I am just used to them now..haha. Great video!
I’m glad u are getting a positive experience with yours! Some service departments are a nightmare to deal with... having to ‘prove’ the lift was installed by a licensed mechanic... Thts a new level... But thank you for watching! I’m glad you enjoyed it! 🙌🙌🙌
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD Funny thing is, as you know the springs are different lengths on the right and left sides and the "certified mechanic" installed the wrong one on the wrong side. After I got it home I ended up pulling it all apart and re-installing it myself anyway....but don't tell them that. Haha. As far as watching...I absolutely love your videos. Your personality is hilarious, your tech knowledge is spot on, and your opinion isn't swayed by a "brand name."
When you bought your game changer lift did you get it with inboard or outboard shocks and why if you could tell me and also do you need a new front driveshaft with that game changer kit? Thanks
I paid too much money for my JL to take it on anything crazy off-road lol. The local state forest drivable trails are enough for me. It’s going to stay stock height on 32s until it has about 200k miles on it. I still love the info from videos like this.
As a Gladiator owner, there was only the EVO lift option out there when the Gladiator came out. So I wanted bigger tires, and the only option available was the Mopar 2 inch lift with Fox shocks. I liked it over the stock suspension, but now I like the Teraflex extended travel 4.5 lift in that it give 6 inches more aticulation on the rear axle, and now comes with a longarm kit, and a longarm coilover reservoir kit. I wanted to put on 37 inch tires, but the dealership would not warranty them. So had to go with the 35 inch tires, and eventually regeared to 5:13 gearing. Been there done that, saving to move on. If you want to do anything offroad you have to beef up all your suspension for ground clearnace and bigger tires. Just empty every pocket. They originally built them light to drop them out of airplanes. Hoorah!
I have the Mopar lift. I paid $800 for it from a guy who bought the lift, ordered his jeep and ended up not getting a JL. I have rock Krawler trackbars and control arms tho. I like the ride of it. As for the warranty issue, where a lot of folks get caught though is on an extended warranty. If you buy a Chrysler maxcare warranty, it actually has provisions that invalidate the entire warranty if you install any lift that is over 2". I believe it even says it has to be a Mopar lift.. I have a great dealer service dept that gets jeeps. I've never had any repair issues and even have had them fix trail damage.
Definitely glad to hear it! A service department SHOULD be taking care of their customers. Period. Since u corrected the lift by adding track bars and control arms, I definitely see it riding good, since u corrected all the off geometry. Thanks for watching bob! 🙌🙌
Just bought a 2020 with this lift kit but also there are 2 inches spacers on top of the spring. I am going to install adjustable track bar front cause my front is like 1/2 to 3/4 off driver side. Ride is not ruff to my feeling but I think its about the need to lowering the control arm to reach a straigther line.
When I had issues with the mopar lift the dealer took it off and replaced it after I escalated my dispute. The service manager, parts manager and Jeeps Customer Service Rep all stated that BDS makes the lift and it is a comparison to their Zone branded products. The shocks are not by BDS though. Dunno if it's true or not, it's just what I was told.
Regardless who makes it is... dana was ‘pressured’ into sticking a fad compared to hub disconnects... plastic internals TRE... the green light is by fca/ mopar. This lift fails to make things better after investing the kind of money it runs for.
I bought it when it was the only thing available as well. Have had it on since around April 2018. Added metal cloak control arms and track bar but otherwise been pretty happy with it. The flex is alright once you disconnect your sway bars and it is not enough flex to require new driveshafts which is nice. Still working fine for me and I off road fairly often. Ill be going full metalcloak eventually.
I mean... 3.5 rk xfactor list on mistys jeep still with stock drive lines 😬 not saying it’s purdy but still holding up. I totally forgot to mention how all the flex bind was twisting up my mounting brackets on the control arms... 😬😬😬
Wish I had found your video six months ago. I bought the Mopar 2” lift and I regret it. Yes, to keep the factory warranty for now another 18 months. To get the Jeep to factory spec caster, I’m having to add front adjustable lower control arms. Factory specs are 5.8 +/- 1.0. The best they can get to is 7.0, that’s excessive. I’ve already added a front adjustable track bar and next month I’m adding the rear track bar. Yep mistake on my part. Good video, good explanations. I enjoyed it.
Sorry to hear friend…. Unfortunately adding all them extra parts will surely help it ride better…. How jeep didn’t think to include these extra parts for the price of there hollow lift kit…. Is a joke
This was a brilliant video… I wheel stock, but now that I have 3 Jeeps (2 working), I’m thinking of slightly lifting my JL and leaving my TJ stock. I knew the mopar lift was junk, but since I only want 35s and have a high tolerance to ride quality, I was thinking I’d just get it. Mostly because I didn’t want to deal with warranty disputes later and my dealer is decent (they can fight Jeep on a mopar lift, but it’s harder for them to fight a non-mopar lift). Still, I can’t deal with the wheeling issues you noted so I’ll stick to stock for now until I look more into my extended warranty details.
Great video Mo!!! I got the Mopar lift on my JT and so far no problems. I do plan on switching it out to the Clayton Offroad 3.5 eventually. I just wanted a little lift until I figured out which lift I wanted to go with and at the time I bought my JT nobody else had a lift available. Thanks for the video my friend
Definitely start with the track bars... I can cut em a break with the control arms... because they are a little longer... but zero excuses for the track bars.... at least centering ur axle will make it last and work much better!
JL LIFE OFFROAD Thank you for your response and I think I have decided to go ahead and get Clayton control arms with track bar. Then I will upgrade the springs later.
I have a rough country lift. Some day I’ll have a game changer. It was cheap, it got me into the lift game cheap. Rough Country has a good warranty. Cool video.
I am getting the Mopar lift on my 2021 rubicon but my first purchases will be adjustable track bars front and rear. Metal cloak is at least $1000 more!
Great video and great review! Love your videos!💪 I think everyone has to remember that if you want more you pay more. That's how everything goes. If you want an adjustable control arms and track bar, you pay extra and buy them. If you want a kit with them included, you pay more. That's how it works. Also, one thing that we have learned since cars have been around is that they're all different. Even Jeeps. The kit will react and function different on different Jeeps. That's why some come off the lot with issues and some don't. Same goes with the Mopar lift kit. Some will act, react, and function different with the kit. I've had the Mopar lift on my JT for over 105,000 miles and I've gotten more than what I probably should have. And I beat it up! Lol. But others haven't. It's the way vehicles work. It's like getting wheels. You have to get what works. Hahaha! Again, great video and great review! Keep em comin!!!!!
Mo Thanks for your honest opinion....I had a MOPAR 2" lift when I bought my Jeep. I first put MC control arms then went with the full 4.5 GC lift.....I can attest to the stiff Fox shocks and love the ride I now have.....spot on.
duuuuuude! you seriously nailed this one. my rig came with the 2 inch mopar lift, and i have a really good dealer to work with, but i can tell it's getting close to time to swap this out for a real lift kit. i don't wheel as hard as you, but i'm at 7000 miles and things are changing from when i bought it.
I beat the hell out of mine, I’d say it’s only rated for moderate trail riding and onroad only... I was not happy with it, shame I wasted so much money on something just to rip it out.
i at least didn't really pay for any of that. my jeep sat on the lot for a whole year and they needed it gone. so they lifted it and put 35s on it, and i still got it at well under the sticker cost before those mods (i had previously looked at it and knew what the price was).
I bought my JL with the Mopar, and as you said it has done ok Offroad and I push it hard. But all your points are accurate for my experience as well. Currently only have the springs and shocks left from the Mopar, and those are going bye bye next week. I’ll finally be on the 3.5” X factor RK fully!
Eh, I picked mine up for $400 with low miles. I rarely bash my Jeep on hard trails, mostly towing my trailer down two track trails, and over random obstacles. I did add adjustable track bars at the same time since I got a screaming deal on a used rear, and ponied up on a new front. Still good advice. It's not going to work for everyone, but it'll work for some.
Not a bad price.. my biggest complaint... is the lack of track bars... having correctly centered it... it would be a decent lift... especially if ur not doing crazy offroading. 🙌🙌🙌
Love the video. Had the same problem with my dealer. Took it in to fix the steering, but was denied because I had a Front Track Bar and Sector Shaft Brace installed. I told them I would pay to have it removed. Still was denied. The good side to my story is the service manger put me in touch with Jeep Wave. Jeep Wave was able to authorize the work. So finally my dealership replaced my steering gear box, and reinstalled my Front Track Bar and Sector Shaft Brace. Crazy!
Are u talking about the new steel steering box? Or was this before tht new tsb.... A lot of people keep telling me they will do it and encouraging to go.... so.... I’m going to try
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD Yes, it's the new steal steering gear box. The weird thing is they only are only allowed one steering gear box every 12 days for this TSB repair.
THIS IS THE HONEST REVIEW I'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR. Thank you. I just purchased a 2021 JL Sahara w/the 3.0L Diesel and have been shopping for a lift about 2 weeks. I wanted to stick with Mopar for warranty reasons but need to rethink this thing.
Solid - this does not get discussed enough. People get so excited, they spend good money for a half baked solution. There is nothing more beautiful than a Jeep with MetalCloak "gold"
Lol a lot of people will disagree about metalcloak.... not sure why... Iv been very happy with mine... no regrets! To be fair a lot of people don’t know better... how do I kno tht? I was obviously one of em 😂
I almost went with the Mopar lift because I wanted to keep it under warranty but the parts manager actually told me even if I get the Mopar lift I still run the risk of voiding the warranty because it’s no longer stock. Sooooo glad I went with the Teraflex lift kit way better quality!
I’m glad this video came my way. I was thinking about this Mopar lift for my “18 JLU Rubicon, After watching this I changed my mind. And you’re right about the dealerships, I don’t even consider bringing it to them for an oil change . I use a local shop - in and out in a half hour. You have a new subscriber 👍🏻
Thanks for the good advice, I’ll check out metal cloak when I am ready for a 3 1/2 in lift, got a rough country lift and it ain’t great, but it was cheap 😂
Yeah anyone who come here to learn about a JL lift... ignore this guy. By his own admission, he isn't an offroader. If he is tearing his stock equipment up then he is the problem and not the equipment.
Great explanation. I was going with Mopar and will now find a different one. I was leaning toward I-con before I saw all the problems with the shocks. Maybe Teraflex with Falcon Shocks or maybe Ironman 4x4
My guess is it wasn't meant for serious off roading it probably was more so focused on looks and just being able to put bigger tires on your wrangler or gladiator because most people just want that rugged look but not drive it ruggedly most people in city or urban areas don't really off road their jeep they just like them for the AWD in the winter months and the cool look of popping the roof and doors off in the summer
I have the Mopar on my JT Sport. The first thing I did was get an adjustable track bar because I could physically see the difference. The driver side was off by and inch and a quarter. But as far as ride quality, it feels fine to me. Almost stock. Now, I've heard the lift for the JT is different from the JL, but who really knows. Oh, I had my steering box replaced also without problems.
It’s more geared for on-road imho... but even the fact it’s incomplete.... it’s a total waste of money.... guess I should mention this review was more towards the daily rock crawler.... Surprisingly, the dealer swapped out my box this week no problem... I was expecting them to deny or give me the run around
Made great points, bro. Hopefully it'll help someone make a more informed decision, and buy something better. MC and RK are great. I personally like Clayton (as you know😉), but EVO is another one I'd throw out there as a viable candidate. Keep it up!!👍🏻👊🏻🤘🏻
Had the mopar lift for about 7 months before I switched to metalcloak 3.5 game changer with falcon shocks 3.3. The Jeep drives sow much better on and off road.
I inherited a Mopar lift on my 15 JKUR. Luckily the JK one comes with a new driveshaft, but it looked like the PO didn't use all of the parts included for some reason (stock sway bar end links). The axle looks centered to me, but I'm going to be putting some MC components on to get me where I need to be. Great review.
A first time JL owner....had my eyes in a Mopar 2# lift. Glad I found your channel, very informative. You addressed important points. I will go back to searching for a lift. Thanks!
Hi boss very informative….. could you please tell us how many types of mopar kits available for jeep please ( I mean 2 inch , 3.5 inch , 4 inch ) and which one the best …. What is the difference please
No Moe I disagree just put Metalcloak dual rate springs on my 05TJ and they ride much better both on and especially off road from my point of view the benefits are smooth ride on road and the longer dual spring stays in the bucket at full droop👍 springs are 4.5 inch same as before however rubicon express springs SO much stiffer and rough riding they were terrible METALCLOAK ROCKS
Shocks has nothing to do with compression. Shock absorbers are primarily used to “damp” the bouncing motion of the a vehicle's body after it encounters a bump. If shocks are too stiff they will not let the coil come back to it’s original position fast enough and coil will already be compressed for the next bump and make the suspension feel stiff.
This was the best explanation and review of the MOPAR lift I have ever seen. I have the same lift and had to add an adjustable track bar. I didn’t even think about the rear Trac bar. I have not had any issues with the ride on and off road but then I don’t have any thing to compare it too. Every thing you said is logical and I will be getting rid of it and going to a metal cloak lift but my question is what size of lift. I don’t hit trails as hard as you guys do and I’m planning on getting 37s and a re- gear 4.88s, I actually like the ride from my fox shocks and I was thinking of keeping them. What do you think? 2019 JLUR Thank you
I think 37s on a 3.5 lift looks great... don’t think u will be disappointed... My biggest gripe trying to get info online... u are either told it’s great... or it sucks... nobody really explains y... the mopar lift is ok at best... but 100% not worth the money... If I look at what it taught me... I got my money’s worth...
Shoot if everything goes right I'll have a truck this afternoon so I can give the XJ a break and get some much-needed work done to her including new bushings for my leaf springs!
Appreciate the info bro glad to see you doing good. I been busy trucking haven't had much time to work on my jeep. I got my 5.38 gears to help that 3.8 get those 37s turning. My jeep came with a lift that no one knew anything about. I could feel a cricket in the road how rough it was. I been researching lifts and decided to go with metal cloak. Skyjacker and superlift are my neighbors thought about trying them out. I have use them on trucks just not on jeeps but willing to try it.
Iv been pretty busy myself... work been wild... climates been hot af.... preparing to test for an upcoming promotion... jeep, jeep and jeep... ughhh 😂 I hear less then great things about skyjacker and superlift... but to be fair.... I hear people trash talk metalcloaks lift also... I just know Iv been very happy with mine. Stay with what u know... it’s cheaper lol 😂 🙌 thanks for watching brother!! Appreciate you!
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD yeah that's what hear too lol. I been trying to get around to see if I can make that part I won off you lol. I got my rear bumper still off waiting for my new rear bumper and tire carrier. Hopefully the air is clear next year to go out west.
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD 10 4 that soulds like a plan bro. I make sure I bring extra parts lol😂. I am known to be wild at times but it's in a fun and hilarious way. I always say smiles and laughter is the key in life and y'all do a good job. Be easy y'all and congrats on the promotion.
Wow, I cam w/in days of putting that lift on.. Glad I didn't. Sad that all those who did have to go thru it but I believe that your explanation will set thing's right. Good Job...
You will be much happier with something better quality, the only way I would understand someone wanting it so they could keep a hassle free warranty... and not wanting to do serious off-roading.... and not planning on keeping the Jeep long term.... let me know if u have any questions before u buy another lift.
Great video.. thanks for sharing your experience with the Mopar lift. I was on the fence about buying it because several people rave about it online, while others say it sucks... but why take a chance? I think I'll just go with something that's better quality.
People who are raving don’t wheel it... then u have to factor in the phenomenon people refuse to admit they made a bad choice 😂 so many better lifts out there, especially for the money! Do urself a favor and find something better!
Depends on what u are looking for. I think metalcloaks is a great Jack of all trades tht require minimal maintenance.. and customer service is always amazing...
It held up break, I was amazed at the amount of abuse we put them through... it’s all about picking good lines... but if ur looking for light to moderate stuff... I’m comfortable saying u will be fine. I do recommend regearing to help ease the stress on the driveline thou
Several things, firstly, the control arms were never intended to be smashed on rocks, second, 95% of people buying lifts are either mall crawlers, or do occasional trails or mudding, most people live NOWHERE near huge boulders or serious rock crawling territory. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with mopars lifts, the problems arise when people whom do reviews leave out the facts I've stated above, most people shop off impulse or without knowledge of said parts.....as a person whom IS knowledgeable about these things, you should enlighten those less knowledgeable with the CORRECT information, instead of having people WASTE money on stuff they really do not need. You get what I'm saying🤔🤔? I myself build jeeps, as I am a technician by trade, and I own lifted jeeps myself, when people ask or come to inquire about such issues, I make sure they understand the concept before they buy. Leaving out information is why democrats control the house now, and ultimately ignorance reigns, enlighten those that really do not understand 👍👍😎😎
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD of course, believing in and practicing what you preach is always a positive move, pushing products or bashing others is counter productive. People need facts, not fake news or twisted truths.
Not only educational, but we get bonus footage of you cutting the control arm in half. I laughed when I bought my JL and they kept asking if I wanted to extend my warranty. I told them it was my 4th Jeep and I have some knowledge on fixing it. Also, if I didn’t know how to do something I have RUclips to help me. The look in his eyes was epic. I agree the whole Mopar lift is not adequate and not complete. Its way overpriced and it’s only there to let you put bigger tires on it and street crawl.
Yea... selling it to people who don’t know better ... at the time me.. lol... 🤷♂️ but u learn... hopefully this video will teach someone else before they make a $1400 mistake like I did. Lol... Can never pass on an opportunity to cut things up!
The dealership kept saying they warranty the 2” mopar lift components. Lol. Good thing for those who are/where taking that bait. The earlier versions with their bowed coils definitely needed a warranty. That’s if you could get the dealership to acknowledge it wasn’t designed that way. We all hear that it’s been resolved with the a new coil spring isolator but all of that shouldn’t of ever happened. Keep the content coming.
100% agree but, too often engineers are to blame. Will bet dollars to donuts, business mangers dictated a price point and profit margin. You got subpar performance and above par profit.
Great video! Thank you! What are your thoughts on the mopar lift if I am not doing a whole lot of wheelin? Do you suggest that I still swap out different components? What would you recommend? Jeep gladiator.. thank you sir!
For what I paid for both including installation I could have gotten the Metalcloak 2.5 Game Changer Rock Sport... 😒😒😒 we live and we learn! How would you rate the Rock Sport 2.5 vs The 6pak 2.5?
I got the sport bare bones!!! Only thing it has hard too and MAX TOW that is it!!! I added 2017 wrangler rubicon wheels for $550 and I am happy with them!!! My question is I just bought someone’s gladiator rubicon fox shocks & springs off FB for $350 is this worth it??? Will it ride better the plain sport shocks??? Thanks in Advance!!!
$1400? The last time I checked it was $2500 and still a piece of crap. I had to by a radiator for my 2008 titan and the dealer was $840 bucks. I purchased the same exact radiator off line and it cost $113.00 and has lasted longer than the stock one I purchased when I bought the truck.
Does anyone know much about the skyjacker 1.5 inch lift for jl's? It includes shocks, dual rate springs,sway bar links, and bumpstop extensions. Its about $650. We would also replace the front lower control arms with adjustable. We are looking to run 35x12.50r17 on our JLUR. We are considering 37's but i feel like it will reduce reliability. And we would likely have to regear to gain power back. So to run 37's i feel would up the cost significantly with upgrading steering, p/s,gears ect. Eventually we would like a good 2-3" lift and 37's. But for now we are looking for smaller budget friendly lift to clear 35's, and gained clearance. But trying to avoid spacer lifts. We do wheel it i would say moderately hard. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks in advance! Love your jl content anf honest reviews!
If its temp, I suppose the sky jacker would fit the bill,,, definitely not a kit I would abuse and have peace of mind. But if its for light off-roading for the time being,,, it should last.... But at that price point, I would suggest Rough Country,,,, pretty sure they lifetime warranty their parts,,,
First time jeep owner here.. what would u recommend? For a daily driver maybe some weekend offroads? Not much into rock crawling and maybe those budget friendly but can play the game.?
If ur looking for something low priced... I’d take rough county over mopars lift... least with RC u get what u pay for... mopar u over pay for what u get
Have to say thanks for this. There is a good amount of praise out there for the mopar lift but with little justification. I was pretty sure I smelled BS. This review confirms it.
Always happy to help when I can! Not attacking anyone, but everyone Iv talked to, who says this lift is great... was more so a lack of understanding and knowledge of the topic and parts..
Glad I didn’t ask anymore than the tires, and that was still $1500 wasted. I kinda figured that anything from the dealership(Mopar) would be crap even though Teraflex recommends the tailgate hinge reinforcement for supporting their tire carrier with anything greater than a 35” tire, and in my opinion that’s still pushing it(thinking about GenRight’s swing out carrier except that the carrier isn’t rated anything more than the tire in weight). Since you brought up the track bar, I was curious what tie rod and drag link you have on bromance and Heathen? Thinking steer smart, even though I want to continue my Metalcloak pieces. Dam, I guess I haven’t been looking at the control arms that the True Dual Rate lift doesn’t replace from MC. Guess I gotta spend some more money with MC to make my lift a Game Changer lift. Lol, “violent” from bromance taking a fall with the Mopar lift. Really enjoyed hearing your first hand experience with their(Mopar/Jeep) lift. As always awesome video!
Hey buddy glad to hear u enjoyed the video.. I’m no fan of tht Teraflex carrier ... if u keeping it on the tail gate, get the cavfab... great price and heavy duty. I used to have the steersmarts track bar on front. But swapped it for rk over rubbing into my hd diff plates
JL LIFE OFFROAD I still have the track bar that came with my MC lift, otherwise I’m just thinking about the tie rod and drag link from steer smarts. I’d think it would be smarter to stick with Metalcloak. I’m kicking myself for not getting the poison spyder tire carrier since it works with the bumper, thus no weight to the tail gate. I’ve had similar tire carriers but told myself I don’t like that style and wanted to keep the carrier stockish like. Since I’ve installed it I’ve in ways regretted it, with having issues with installing the lug bolts to having to readjust the height after upgrading the rear bumper since it was rubbing at the 35” tire height adjustment. I don’t like that they refer to using Mopar. Not a fan of anything Mopar and your video just proves it more. Guess I’ll start setting the money to the side for either the GenRight swing out carrier or the Poison Spyder one(which would require me to take the bumper off🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
haha. literally just had the same experience at the dealer last week about my steering box. They woudn't even address the play in the steering box because there was steer smarts parts. They told me they inspected "the remaining factory parts" and my sway bar links were tight and in good working order. haha Would love for you to compare MC and RK at some point. I don't think you have. But really curious on the comparison, on and off road.
Lol, omg I can only imagine the fan boys for both sides coming out for tht video! Oooof! The service department is completely separate from the dealer side and managed differently... but it’s frustrating as hell... most worthless job out there? A mechanic at a jeep dear ship... lol
JL LIFE OFFROAD hahaha. All the more reason you should do the comparison. And sadly they’re not mechanics. They’re just part installers. They wouldn’t even help diagnose the problem regardless of the warranty. Are you just living with it or did you do anything with the steering box? Debating adjusting the backlash on it.
I think something is wrong with your spring cause mine doesn’t look like that. Quick question and it’s just cause I’m curious , aren’t you supposed to re-adjust the track bar after installing a lift ?
U should do a full alignment after lifting... the moparnlift don’t come with the track bars to even do that... What’s wrong with my springs are u noticing?
American patriot ahhhh Thts the double rated spring... the 2nd spring was a triple rated spring... 100% how it’s suppose to look... u having the mopar lift... it’s single rated. Single rated is even spacing on the spring and functions as u go up to double and triple rated... the top of the springs get tighter... to give it a softer bounce when off roading
Well… it will correct a big problem with the lift…. But really depends on what kind of 4x4 you wanting to do… If it’s just on road and dirt roads… Yea, prefect and ready to go
My man Mo. I love your channel and love how you explain everything in layman’s terms, for us dummies and how you give your honest opinion about a part, product or brand. You tell it how it is and are not a salesman for parts. My question for you is, I know in one video you said you added Coil spacers to your 2” lift for more lift and clearance cause you never liked the lift it gave you. I just did a RC 2.5” lift on my 15 jku, so I am not able to afford a taller lift kit, since I just did the 2.5” lift. I have already added RC adjustable front and rear lower control arms, RC adjustable track bars front and rear, with both RC track bar brackets front and rear. I have the jk lean and I am about to add coil spacers, 2” front passenger, 2.5” rear passenger, 1.5” front drivers and 2” rear drivers, essentially adding 1” all the way around, and the extra .5-1” to level the lean. Is that going to interfere with anything. I did order the RC 4-6” extended brake lines front and rear, RC rear spring perch correction brackets and spring retainers and I have the RC high steer dragline flip to install also. The RC 2.5 gave me a little extra lift in the front then the rear, and I only have factory bumpers, no winch, and a 33 nitto on the tailgate with MORYDE reinforced hinges. What issues am I gonna have, will this work, now I am not a hard core off road Jeep guy, easy muddy trails, slightly bumpy roads but it’s my daily driver and my lift looks small compared to most with 2.5-3.5-4.0 lifts and 35 tires. I just want taller, more clearance and eventually adding 35-37 tires when I can afford the regear. What am I about to get into that I overlooked.
Hmmm... brake lines and drive shaft clearance are the big things people tend to over look when lifting... on the drive shaft u will need to make sure ur angles are not way out of alignment or extreme angles... and also making sure the actual shaft clears everything else... on the JL.. I know tht front drive shaft can start rubbing into the tranny.... expensive fix 😂
You and I went same route … however I did not give my mopar lift a chance to screw up … I looked at mine after me and a buddy installed and noticed the bowed springs and the out of centered alignment.. I ordered the parts and fixed before wheeling !!! The fox shocks must be inconsistent … you say yours was stiff & I think mine were overly spongy … I agree that I wish I had waited and saved the $1200.00 I spent on the mopar lift till the release of metal cloaks … however it was fun doing everything that jks were doing with $4-6000.00 of suspension .. I think I got my money’s worth out of it ... but that is just me … I feel that yours pissed you off from the getgo & you was snake bitten from there on out !!! I love your videos and reviews … but on this one we will mildly have to agree to disagree !!
Know, pissed from the start? No... I was to dumb to know what I had just installed in my jeep... as I ran and abused it... new problems kept coming up .... the one good thing it did was teach me why everything in a suspension is important... $1400 lesson for me...
I agree with you! My JK had the Mopar lift when I bought it off the lot it was TRASH! Best part from the lift and only part I still have on it is the brake line extension brackets.
I can't believe you think those Fox shocks are stiff. They are far and away the softest, smoothest shocks I've owned or driven on any lifted Jeep. I couldn't be happier with them. No issue with the control arms or spring perches, either. I have had a great experience with the Mopar lift. I've got a great dealership, too. Sounds like you need to find a better one. That's not an issue with the lift, at all.
Stiffest shock I've ever had. Awful!!!
The shift on rear track bar is 2.5mm and front is 2.2mm, which is very minor. Also the thin built control arms are to save the chassis. I’ve written of a vehicle by warping the chassis by putting stronger parts than the chassis itself. Recently I wrecked rear track bar and there was no other damage, replacing the felt much better and cheap.
Mopar and many other basic lifts are just means to raise the vehicle to fit bigger tires and some benefits of better angles and capability over stock configuration. For any hardcore rock crawling or off-roading, these are not the right choices.
2-3” JL lifts with 37s have no gain in articulation, no rub margins are so narrow that can’t even accommodate chains. 35s look a bit small but chains can be used on them which may help over a larger tire in mud and snow.
I’m glad that JL is still a purpose built vehicle and has the most options available in the aftermarket parts and accessories. It can out wallet before it’d outrun ones capability. Anyway, most other upgraded rigs end where a stock JLUR begins and that’s the best thing about it. As far as the upgrades go, it’s a continuous process of liking, affordability, learning, and redoing.
There’s nothing really wrong with a Mopar lift. It’s a great choice. Terraflex is actually the manufacturer of them.
I was thinking about purchasing one since I only want to run 35’s with a small lift. My buddy has the Mopar 2” lift and hates it, says it rides terrible.
@@rxtu7367I don't agree at all. Ride is better less cornering on road more stable and more solid on towing. I did added an ajustable track bar cause i also have teraflex leveler. But I didn't pay for it. It was on it. My numbers on alignment are bagn on now. On my gladiator. This kit is great. But I am not doing rubicon crazy offroad. It all depends on your habits and needs
@@alfreddoumtaz215 Yeah, we are out on the trails… his has pretty much folded.
The Mopar lift was the first thing I got , well cause it’s Mopar and would not void Any warranty you might have and I even had Jeep dealer install it. I am quite happy with it no issues and works great on the rubicon.
It has its place. But I stand behind my assessment... for the price... not worth it to me... but I can totally understand someone’s desire to keep it 100% warrantyable. But no way this lift could keep up with what I do..
Spending $55K for the 1st year of a new style (2018) I knew that I ran a high risk of having bugs/issues with the Jeep so I went with the MOPAR lift to protect the warranty. I agree 100% with everything said in this video about the quality vs price of the MOPAR lift. In my case however, the extra $ for the lift has paid off since in my 1st 40K miles, I have had thousands of dollars of warranty work done, from grinding and redoing the majority of my frame welds, to electrical issues, to replacing my rear axle differential/locker and shafts. With the rear axle issue the dealership recognized that I had the MOPAR lift but still made me prove that the lift was installed by a "certified MOPAR tech" before proceeding with the warranty repair even though the issue with the axle had nothing to do with the lift. Smh. Since I have had so many warranty repairs thus far, I went with the extended warranty but look forward to the day when I can start replacing things with aftermarket parts. Truth be told though, after 30K miles on the lift, the springs and shocks feel pretty good on and off road...or maybe I am just used to them now..haha. Great video!
I’m glad u are getting a positive experience with yours! Some service departments are a nightmare to deal with... having to ‘prove’ the lift was installed by a licensed mechanic... Thts a new level...
But thank you for watching! I’m glad you enjoyed it! 🙌🙌🙌
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD Funny thing is, as you know the springs are different lengths on the right and left sides and the "certified mechanic" installed the wrong one on the wrong side. After I got it home I ended up pulling it all apart and re-installing it myself anyway....but don't tell them that. Haha. As far as watching...I absolutely love your videos. Your personality is hilarious, your tech knowledge is spot on, and your opinion isn't swayed by a "brand name."
My parents never gave me an adjustable track bar and I've hung a half inch to the left ever since!
😂😂😂
Probably the best review of a product I seen in a very long time. I was very close to going with the mopar lift...back to the drawing board!
It’s really is a waste of ur hard earn cash... but I’m glad to hear you both enjoyed and got some benefit from it! Thank you for watching
When you bought your game changer lift did you get it with inboard or outboard shocks and why if you could tell me and also do you need a new front driveshaft with that game changer kit? Thanks
I paid too much money for my JL to take it on anything crazy off-road lol. The local state forest drivable trails are enough for me. It’s going to stay stock height on 32s until it has about 200k miles on it. I still love the info from videos like this.
Mo D: "Forgive me viewers, for I have sinned putting on this overpriced half baked Mopar lift."
Viewers: Nice dog house! :)
Hahahaha redemption!!!! 😂😂😂
As a Gladiator owner, there was only the EVO lift option out there when the Gladiator came out. So I wanted bigger tires, and the only option available was the Mopar 2 inch lift with Fox shocks. I liked it over the stock suspension, but now I like the Teraflex extended travel 4.5 lift in that it give 6 inches more aticulation on the rear axle, and now comes with a longarm kit, and a longarm coilover reservoir kit. I wanted to put on 37 inch tires, but the dealership would not warranty them. So had to go with the 35 inch tires, and eventually regeared to 5:13 gearing. Been there done that, saving to move on. If you want to do anything offroad you have to beef up all your suspension for ground clearnace and bigger tires. Just empty every pocket. They originally built them light to drop them out of airplanes. Hoorah!
I have the Mopar lift. I paid $800 for it from a guy who bought the lift, ordered his jeep and ended up not getting a JL. I have rock Krawler trackbars and control arms tho. I like the ride of it. As for the warranty issue, where a lot of folks get caught though is on an extended warranty. If you buy a Chrysler maxcare warranty, it actually has provisions that invalidate the entire warranty if you install any lift that is over 2". I believe it even says it has to be a Mopar lift.. I have a great dealer service dept that gets jeeps. I've never had any repair issues and even have had them fix trail damage.
Definitely glad to hear it! A service department SHOULD be taking care of their customers. Period. Since u corrected the lift by adding track bars and control arms, I definitely see it riding good, since u corrected all the off geometry.
Thanks for watching bob! 🙌🙌
Glad I saw this video before I got a mopar lift for my 2024 rubicon!!
Synergy was the only chromolly trac bar I could find for the JL. Very happy with it.
I’m pretty sure Mc track bar is also chromo.. 🤔
Just go steer smarts and be done.
@@MJOG Steer Smarts doesn't make a chromolly trac bar.
I know but the 2” solid steel track bar that they do make is hard to beat for strength
Just bought a 2020 with this lift kit but also there are 2 inches spacers on top of the spring. I am going to install adjustable track bar front cause my front is like 1/2 to 3/4 off driver side. Ride is not ruff to my feeling but I think its about the need to lowering the control arm to reach a straigther line.
Thanks for putting this explanation in terms I can finally understand.
My geographical brother! 🙌😂 glad u got something out of it.. some times I feel I’m just running on incoherently lol
When I had issues with the mopar lift the dealer took it off and replaced it after I escalated my dispute. The service manager, parts manager and Jeeps Customer Service Rep all stated that BDS makes the lift and it is a comparison to their Zone branded products. The shocks are not by BDS though. Dunno if it's true or not, it's just what I was told.
Regardless who makes it is... dana was ‘pressured’ into sticking a fad compared to hub disconnects... plastic internals TRE... the green light is by fca/ mopar. This lift fails to make things better after investing the kind of money it runs for.
Love my Teraflex 4.5" lift. I remember you started replacing those Mopar lift parts as soon as you got it.
The one good thing it did was teach me the importance of all the parts tht it didn’t come with.. an expensive lesson, but a lesson none the less.
I bought it when it was the only thing available as well. Have had it on since around April 2018. Added metal cloak control arms and track bar but otherwise been pretty happy with it. The flex is alright once you disconnect your sway bars and it is not enough flex to require new driveshafts which is nice. Still working fine for me and I off road fairly often. Ill be going full metalcloak eventually.
I mean... 3.5 rk xfactor list on mistys jeep still with stock drive lines 😬 not saying it’s purdy but still holding up. I totally forgot to mention how all the flex bind was twisting up my mounting brackets on the control arms... 😬😬😬
JL LIFE OFFROAD Yeah the bind is real on the poor factory control arms haha. Especially those front lowers that came with the lift.
Wish I had found your video six months ago. I bought the Mopar 2” lift and I regret it. Yes, to keep the factory warranty for now another 18 months. To get the Jeep to factory spec caster, I’m having to add front adjustable lower control arms. Factory specs are 5.8 +/- 1.0. The best they can get to is 7.0, that’s excessive. I’ve already added a front adjustable track bar and next month I’m adding the rear track bar. Yep mistake on my part. Good video, good explanations. I enjoyed it.
Sorry to hear friend…. Unfortunately adding all them extra parts will surely help it ride better…. How jeep didn’t think to include these extra parts for the price of there hollow lift kit…. Is a joke
This was a brilliant video… I wheel stock, but now that I have 3 Jeeps (2 working), I’m thinking of slightly lifting my JL and leaving my TJ stock. I knew the mopar lift was junk, but since I only want 35s and have a high tolerance to ride quality, I was thinking I’d just get it. Mostly because I didn’t want to deal with warranty disputes later and my dealer is decent (they can fight Jeep on a mopar lift, but it’s harder for them to fight a non-mopar lift). Still, I can’t deal with the wheeling issues you noted so I’ll stick to stock for now until I look more into my extended warranty details.
Great video Mo!!! I got the Mopar lift on my JT and so far no problems. I do plan on switching it out to the Clayton Offroad 3.5 eventually. I just wanted a little lift until I figured out which lift I wanted to go with and at the time I bought my JT nobody else had a lift available. Thanks for the video my friend
Definitely start with the track bars... I can cut em a break with the control arms... because they are a little longer... but zero excuses for the track bars.... at least centering ur axle will make it last and work much better!
JL LIFE OFFROAD Thank you for your response and I think I have decided to go ahead and get Clayton control arms with track bar. Then I will upgrade the springs later.
Guess we're both the odd ones out. I've had my Mopar lift on for over 55,000 miles. Offroad, tow, and travel. Does everything it's supposed to do.
I have the mopar lift. Paid 200 for it with out shocks. I don’t take my JL off road. For onroad it’s totally fine.
On road I don’t see many issues happening... though the axle is still off centered... also $200 is totally an acceptable price for it... 🙌
I have a rough country lift. Some day I’ll have a game changer. It was cheap, it got me into the lift game cheap. Rough Country has a good warranty. Cool video.
Glad to hear it... rough country works fine for most... 🙌🙌🙌 u will be happy with the game changer when u get it thou!
I am getting the Mopar lift on my 2021 rubicon but my first purchases will be adjustable track bars front and rear. Metal cloak is at least $1000 more!
Great video and great review! Love your videos!💪 I think everyone has to remember that if you want more you pay more. That's how everything goes. If you want an adjustable control arms and track bar, you pay extra and buy them. If you want a kit with them included, you pay more. That's how it works. Also, one thing that we have learned since cars have been around is that they're all different. Even Jeeps. The kit will react and function different on different Jeeps. That's why some come off the lot with issues and some don't. Same goes with the Mopar lift kit. Some will act, react, and function different with the kit. I've had the Mopar lift on my JT for over 105,000 miles and I've gotten more than what I probably should have. And I beat it up! Lol. But others haven't. It's the way vehicles work. It's like getting wheels. You have to get what works. Hahaha! Again, great video and great review! Keep em comin!!!!!
Mo Thanks for your honest opinion....I had a MOPAR 2" lift when I bought my Jeep. I first put MC control arms then went with the full 4.5 GC lift.....I can attest to the stiff Fox shocks and love the ride I now have.....spot on.
Glad we can agree... we are now friends 😂🙌
duuuuuude! you seriously nailed this one. my rig came with the 2 inch mopar lift, and i have a really good dealer to work with, but i can tell it's getting close to time to swap this out for a real lift kit. i don't wheel as hard as you, but i'm at 7000 miles and things are changing from when i bought it.
I beat the hell out of mine, I’d say it’s only rated for moderate trail riding and onroad only... I was not happy with it, shame I wasted so much money on something just to rip it out.
Excited to hear what I swap to
i at least didn't really pay for any of that. my jeep sat on the lot for a whole year and they needed it gone. so they lifted it and put 35s on it, and i still got it at well under the sticker cost before those mods (i had previously looked at it and knew what the price was).
oh and i am actually looking at metal cloak. (well and a bronco hahahaha)
U know solid axles are much stronger then ifs 🤷♂️
I bought my JL with the Mopar, and as you said it has done ok Offroad and I push it hard. But all your points are accurate for my experience as well. Currently only have the springs and shocks left from the Mopar, and those are going bye bye next week. I’ll finally be on the 3.5” X factor RK fully!
Thts exciting!!! Will perform WORLDS better! Ur gonna love it and it will be night and day!
Eh, I picked mine up for $400 with low miles. I rarely bash my Jeep on hard trails, mostly towing my trailer down two track trails, and over random obstacles. I did add adjustable track bars at the same time since I got a screaming deal on a used rear, and ponied up on a new front.
Still good advice. It's not going to work for everyone, but it'll work for some.
Not a bad price.. my biggest complaint... is the lack of track bars... having correctly centered it... it would be a decent lift... especially if ur not doing crazy offroading. 🙌🙌🙌
Appreciate the thorough review. Learned quite a bit about different parts involved in a lift kit.
Love the video. Had the same problem with my dealer. Took it in to fix the steering, but was denied because I had a Front Track Bar and Sector Shaft Brace installed. I told them I would pay to have it removed. Still was denied. The good side to my story is the service manger put me in touch with Jeep Wave. Jeep Wave was able to authorize the work. So finally my dealership replaced my steering gear box, and reinstalled my Front Track Bar and Sector Shaft Brace. Crazy!
Are u talking about the new steel steering box? Or was this before tht new tsb....
A lot of people keep telling me they will do it and encouraging to go.... so....
I’m going to try
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD Yes, it's the new steal steering gear box. The weird thing is they only are only allowed one steering gear box every 12 days for this TSB repair.
Hear something like tht... we shall see how this shakes out 😂
THIS IS THE HONEST REVIEW I'VE BEEN SEARCHING FOR. Thank you. I just purchased a 2021 JL Sahara w/the 3.0L Diesel and have been shopping for a lift about 2 weeks. I wanted to stick with Mopar for warranty reasons but need to rethink this thing.
Glad I could help!
This lift was designed by Jeep engineers. Honestly, it doesn’t get better than the mopar lift…
Solid - this does not get discussed enough. People get so excited, they spend good money for a half baked solution. There is nothing more beautiful than a Jeep with MetalCloak "gold"
Lol a lot of people will disagree about metalcloak.... not sure why... Iv been very happy with mine... no regrets!
To be fair a lot of people don’t know better... how do I kno tht? I was obviously one of em 😂
Thanks for the video. Going with AEV for my set up.
Thanks for watching!! 🙌🙌🙌
I almost went with the Mopar lift because I wanted to keep it under warranty but the parts manager actually told me even if I get the Mopar lift I still run the risk of voiding the warranty because it’s no longer stock. Sooooo glad I went with the Teraflex lift kit way better quality!
Every service depot is different... sadly more often then not, they are looking to shaft the owner with the bill
Terraflex actually makes the Mopar lift though….
I’m glad this video came my way. I was thinking about this Mopar lift for my “18 JLU Rubicon, After watching this I changed my mind.
And you’re right about the dealerships, I don’t even consider bringing it to them for an oil change . I use a local shop - in and out in a half hour.
You have a new subscriber 👍🏻
Always excited to get a new subscriber!
This mopar lift is a waste of money... on-road only... and leaves so much to be improved
Sorry to hear that you wasted your money. I hope you solved the problem and made the adjustments to enjoy your Jeep better.
It’s how we learn. I’m just happy to help others avoid the same mistakes I made.
I’m very happy how my jeep performs right now. 🙌
Thanks for the good advice, I’ll check out metal cloak when I am ready for a 3 1/2 in lift, got a rough country lift and it ain’t great, but it was cheap 😂
I had the same issues at the dealership with my steering. . I just ended up replacing everything
Best way to deal with the problem
Yeah anyone who come here to learn about a JL lift... ignore this guy. By his own admission, he isn't an offroader. If he is tearing his stock equipment up then he is the problem and not the equipment.
Just hit the trails already I want more rocks crawling videos
I fee those get repetitive
Great explanation. I was going with Mopar and will now find a different one. I was leaning toward I-con before I saw all the problems with the shocks. Maybe Teraflex with Falcon Shocks or maybe Ironman 4x4
I hear everyone who went with Teraflex system is happy with it... no personal experience with it thou. Glad you enjoyed the video my friend
My guess is it wasn't meant for serious off roading it probably was more so focused on looks and just being able to put bigger tires on your wrangler or gladiator because most people just want that rugged look but not drive it ruggedly most people in city or urban areas don't really off road their jeep they just like them for the AWD in the winter months and the cool look of popping the roof and doors off in the summer
You’ve just saved me from buying this junkpar lift for my JT. Saving money now for other brand. Tango Senior Mo!
Glad I could help u make a good decision my friend!
Thank you. What's your opinion on the AEV 2.5in DualSport RT for the JL ? Better option than the Mopar.
I have the Mopar on my JT Sport. The first thing I did was get an adjustable track bar because I could physically see the difference. The driver side was off by and inch and a quarter. But as far as ride quality, it feels fine to me. Almost stock. Now, I've heard the lift for the JT is different from the JL, but who really knows.
Oh, I had my steering box replaced also without problems.
It’s more geared for on-road imho... but even the fact it’s incomplete.... it’s a total waste of money.... guess I should mention this review was more towards the daily rock crawler....
Surprisingly, the dealer swapped out my box this week no problem... I was expecting them to deny or give me the run around
Yea i don't do serious off roading. Mostly old logging trails and corn fields.
Yea... I forget to factor tht stuff into my reviews... not many people are looking to abuse their rig the ways we do
Lmao the dog house was a great curveball 😂 Didn't see that coming 😂
Made great points, bro. Hopefully it'll help someone make a more informed decision, and buy something better. MC and RK are great. I personally like Clayton (as you know😉), but EVO is another one I'd throw out there as a viable candidate. Keep it up!!👍🏻👊🏻🤘🏻
Thts the goal, not out here tryna sell anyone anything... just trying to give some good information.. hopefully save someone some cash 🤷♂️
Had the mopar lift for about 7 months before I switched to metalcloak 3.5 game changer with falcon shocks 3.3. The Jeep drives sow much better on and off road.
It’s junk, taking advantage of people who don’t know better.
I inherited a Mopar lift on my 15 JKUR. Luckily the JK one comes with a new driveshaft, but it looked like the PO didn't use all of the parts included for some reason (stock sway bar end links). The axle looks centered to me, but I'm going to be putting some MC components on to get me where I need to be. Great review.
Thank you, glad you enjoyed the video... guess they got lazy from the jk to the jl... or were looking for greater profit margins
If it's off center, it will be minimal. It's only a 2" lift. It can't possibly be off that much. Not even enough to stress the coils.
A first time JL owner....had my eyes in a Mopar 2# lift. Glad I found your channel, very informative. You addressed important points. I will go back to searching for a lift. Thanks!
Hey there! Glad to hear it! Hope you enjoy your jeep.. if you ever have questions, please reach out and ask!
Hi boss very informative….. could you please tell us how many types of mopar kits available for jeep please ( I mean 2 inch , 3.5 inch , 4 inch ) and which one the best …. What is the difference please
No Moe
I disagree just put Metalcloak dual rate springs on my 05TJ and they ride much better both on and especially off road
from my point of view the benefits are smooth ride on road and the longer dual spring stays in the bucket at full droop👍 springs are 4.5 inch same as before however rubicon express springs SO much stiffer and rough riding they were terrible
METALCLOAK ROCKS
Iv been running MC lift on mine for a bit now, I got nothing bad to say about it. I put it through work, it keeps getting it done!
Shocks has nothing to do with compression. Shock absorbers are primarily used to “damp” the bouncing motion of the a vehicle's body after it encounters a bump.
If shocks are too stiff they will not let the coil come back to it’s original position fast enough and coil will already be compressed for the next bump and make the suspension feel stiff.
👍👍
This was the best explanation and review of the MOPAR lift I have ever seen. I have the same lift and had to add an adjustable track bar. I didn’t even think about the rear Trac bar. I have not had any issues with the ride on and off road but then I don’t have any thing to compare it too. Every thing you said is logical and I will be getting rid of it and going to a metal cloak lift but my question is what size of lift. I don’t hit trails as hard as you guys do and I’m planning on getting 37s and a re- gear 4.88s, I actually like the ride from my fox shocks and I was thinking of keeping them. What do you think?
2019 JLUR
Thank you
I think 37s on a 3.5 lift looks great... don’t think u will be disappointed...
My biggest gripe trying to get info online... u are either told it’s great... or it sucks... nobody really explains y... the mopar lift is ok at best... but 100% not worth the money... If I look at what it taught me... I got my money’s worth...
JL LIFE OFFROAD thank you
Great explanation of the Mopar lift. Thank you
Glad to hear you enjoyed! Thank you for watching and supporting the channel
Mo.. your channel is one of my favorite..... prob my favorite Jeep channel. Great video, keep on Jeepin.
Love to hear it! Thank you! Really appreciate the positive feedback! 🙌🙌🙌
I have the mopar 2” on my jkur. It does ok. That being said I did order the metalcloak 2.5” true dual rate kit. Can’t wait to see the difference!
Will be a huge difference between the two... 🙌🙌
Should be in next week. Can’t wait to see the difference. Everyone says it’s a game changer!
Worlds difference
Shoot if everything goes right I'll have a truck this afternoon so I can give the XJ a break and get some much-needed work done to her including new bushings for my leaf springs!
Awesome! Hope it plays out smooth for u friend! 🙌 i reeeeallllllly need to get our truck moving lol
Appreciate the info bro glad to see you doing good. I been busy trucking haven't had much time to work on my jeep. I got my 5.38 gears to help that 3.8 get those 37s turning.
My jeep came with a lift that no one knew anything about. I could feel a cricket in the road how rough it was. I been researching lifts and decided to go with metal cloak. Skyjacker and superlift are my neighbors thought about trying them out. I have use them on trucks just not on jeeps but willing to try it.
Iv been pretty busy myself... work been wild... climates been hot af.... preparing to test for an upcoming promotion... jeep, jeep and jeep... ughhh 😂
I hear less then great things about skyjacker and superlift... but to be fair.... I hear people trash talk metalcloaks lift also... I just know Iv been very happy with mine. Stay with what u know... it’s cheaper lol 😂 🙌 thanks for watching brother!! Appreciate you!
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD yeah that's what hear too lol. I been trying to get around to see if I can make that part I won off you lol. I got my rear bumper still off waiting for my new rear bumper and tire carrier. Hopefully the air is clear next year to go out west.
😂 excites to see when u do!
When and if y’all make it this way, just let us know... we can grab dinner... a beer... go wheeel whatever y’all wanna do!
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD 10 4 that soulds like a plan bro. I make sure I bring extra parts lol😂. I am known to be wild at times but it's in a fun and hilarious way. I always say smiles and laughter is the key in life and y'all do a good job. Be easy y'all and congrats on the promotion.
Haven’t gotten it yet... just been studying for the test and interview.
And I couldn’t agree more.. life is to be enjoyed... plain and simple
Thanks for the detailed clarification of the Mopar lift
Glad you enjoyed! Thank you for watching!!!
Glad I ran across this. I almost went for the Mopar lift from the dealership.
Id only recommend it for people just wanting a Jeep to drive on road a few years and return to the dealer.... (lease stuff)...
Yay! Finally found sometime to watch
Wow, I cam w/in days of putting that lift on.. Glad I didn't. Sad that all those who did have to go thru it but I believe that your explanation will set thing's right.
Good Job...
You will be much happier with something better quality, the only way I would understand someone wanting it so they could keep a hassle free warranty... and not wanting to do serious off-roading.... and not planning on keeping the Jeep long term.... let me know if u have any questions before u buy another lift.
Wow you are so good at not understanding anything at all.
Says this soyjack 🍑 🎩
Great video.. thanks for sharing your experience with the Mopar lift. I was on the fence about buying it because several people rave about it online, while others say it sucks... but why take a chance? I think I'll just go with something that's better quality.
People who are raving don’t wheel it... then u have to factor in the phenomenon people refuse to admit they made a bad choice 😂 so many better lifts out there, especially for the money! Do urself a favor and find something better!
What lift do you recommend today for the JL?
Depends on what u are looking for. I think metalcloaks is a great Jack of all trades tht require minimal maintenance.. and customer service is always amazing...
Do you guys still have the stock axles on the Sport? How are they holding up so far?
It held up break, I was amazed at the amount of abuse we put them through... it’s all about picking good lines... but if ur looking for light to moderate stuff... I’m comfortable saying u will be fine. I do recommend regearing to help ease the stress on the driveline thou
Several things, firstly, the control arms were never intended to be smashed on rocks, second, 95% of people buying lifts are either mall crawlers, or do occasional trails or mudding, most people live NOWHERE near huge boulders or serious rock crawling territory. There is absolutely NOTHING wrong with mopars lifts, the problems arise when people whom do reviews leave out the facts I've stated above, most people shop off impulse or without knowledge of said parts.....as a person whom IS knowledgeable about these things, you should enlighten those less knowledgeable with the CORRECT information, instead of having people WASTE money on stuff they really do not need. You get what I'm saying🤔🤔? I myself build jeeps, as I am a technician by trade, and I own lifted jeeps myself, when people ask or come to inquire about such issues, I make sure they understand the concept before they buy. Leaving out information is why democrats control the house now, and ultimately ignorance reigns, enlighten those that really do not understand 👍👍😎😎
Liking your own comment, 👍
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD of course, believing in and practicing what you preach is always a positive move, pushing products or bashing others is counter productive. People need facts, not fake news or twisted truths.
Lol, practice what you preach? No sir, that is comparable to sniffing your own farts.
Idk man, kinda sounds like sniffing your own farts. Like that episode of South Park… with the peeps from San Francisco 🤣😘
Not only educational, but we get bonus footage of you cutting the control arm in half. I laughed when I bought my JL and they kept asking if I wanted to extend my warranty. I told them it was my 4th Jeep and I have some knowledge on fixing it. Also, if I didn’t know how to do something I have RUclips to help me. The look in his eyes was epic. I agree the whole Mopar lift is not adequate and not complete. Its way overpriced and it’s only there to let you put bigger tires on it and street crawl.
Yea... selling it to people who don’t know better ... at the time me.. lol... 🤷♂️ but u learn... hopefully this video will teach someone else before they make a $1400 mistake like I did.
Lol... Can never pass on an opportunity to cut things up!
The dealership kept saying they warranty the 2” mopar lift components. Lol. Good thing for those who are/where taking that bait. The earlier versions with their bowed coils definitely needed a warranty. That’s if you could get the dealership to acknowledge it wasn’t designed that way. We all hear that it’s been resolved with the a new coil spring isolator but all of that shouldn’t of ever happened.
Keep the content coming.
100% agree but, too often engineers are to blame. Will bet dollars to donuts, business mangers dictated a price point and profit margin. You got subpar performance and above par profit.
Regardless, company’s need to take pride in their products.... 🤷♂️ my 2 cents
after watching this im stick with my stock rubicon shocks
Yea, save your hard earned money, stay away form the Mopar Lift. A spacer lift would perform he SAME and cost a mere fraction
Great video! Thank you! What are your thoughts on the mopar lift if I am not doing a whole lot of wheelin? Do you suggest that I still swap out different components? What would you recommend? Jeep gladiator.. thank you sir!
Just watched the rest of this... honestly changed my mind... really think I am going to go with a different lift.. appreciate this!!!
I’m glad I could help u invest ur money into something better 🙌🙌🙌
What do you think of the Rubicon Express 2.5 lift? Can not remember all the components with the kit. But cost is around $757.99
I know rubicon express quality has gone down hill since 4WP bought em... have a link to the kit u are looking at?
FML I got rid of a skyjacker lift for the mopar on my 2019.... I can't lie, both are trash. Thanks for confirming what I was thinking! Great vid Mo!
😬😬😬😬 sorry to hear it friend, I don’t have experience with skyjacker, but not like I hear good things about them either
For what I paid for both including installation I could have gotten the Metalcloak 2.5 Game Changer Rock Sport... 😒😒😒 we live and we learn! How would you rate the Rock Sport 2.5 vs The 6pak 2.5?
I got the sport bare bones!!! Only thing it has hard too and MAX TOW that is it!!! I added 2017 wrangler rubicon wheels for $550 and I am happy with them!!! My question is I just bought someone’s gladiator rubicon fox shocks & springs off FB for $350 is this worth it??? Will it ride better the plain sport shocks??? Thanks in Advance!!!
Jt shock and springs for a jl?
$1400? The last time I checked it was $2500 and still a piece of crap. I had to by a radiator for my 2008 titan and the dealer was $840 bucks. I purchased the same exact radiator off line and it cost $113.00 and has lasted longer than the stock one I purchased when I bought the truck.
Correct me if I’m wrong. Would it be cheaper to build my own lift kit and maybe even better?
As in ur building ur own lift from scratch?
Does anyone know much about the skyjacker 1.5 inch lift for jl's? It includes shocks, dual rate springs,sway bar links, and bumpstop extensions. Its about $650. We would also replace the front lower control arms with adjustable. We are looking to run 35x12.50r17 on our JLUR. We are considering 37's but i feel like it will reduce reliability. And we would likely have to regear to gain power back. So to run 37's i feel would up the cost significantly with upgrading steering, p/s,gears ect. Eventually we would like a good 2-3" lift and 37's. But for now we are looking for smaller budget friendly lift to clear 35's, and gained clearance. But trying to avoid spacer lifts. We do wheel it i would say moderately hard. Any feedback is appreciated. Thanks in advance! Love your jl content anf honest reviews!
If its temp, I suppose the sky jacker would fit the bill,,, definitely not a kit I would abuse and have peace of mind. But if its for light off-roading for the time being,,, it should last.... But at that price point, I would suggest Rough Country,,,, pretty sure they lifetime warranty their parts,,,
First time jeep owner here.. what would u recommend? For a daily driver maybe some weekend offroads? Not much into rock crawling and maybe those budget friendly but can play the game.?
Honestly... I think metal cloak would fit u well..
@@JLLIFEOFFROAD hehhee those are like the rolex of lift kits hehehe
No, u can spend $1500 and get their entry kit and will be happy...
If ur looking for something low priced... I’d take rough county over mopars lift... least with RC u get what u pay for... mopar u over pay for what u get
Have to say thanks for this. There is a good amount of praise out there for the mopar lift but with little justification. I was pretty sure I smelled BS. This review confirms it.
Always happy to help when I can! Not attacking anyone, but everyone Iv talked to, who says this lift is great... was more so a lack of understanding and knowledge of the topic and parts..
On your experience what schoks are softer for a smooth ride . Thanks
Metal clock rock sports are pretty soft shocks.
I'm glad I viewed this again
And so am I 🙌🙌😂
Glad I didn’t ask anymore than the tires, and that was still $1500 wasted. I kinda figured that anything from the dealership(Mopar) would be crap even though Teraflex recommends the tailgate hinge reinforcement for supporting their tire carrier with anything greater than a 35” tire, and in my opinion that’s still pushing it(thinking about GenRight’s swing out carrier except that the carrier isn’t rated anything more than the tire in weight).
Since you brought up the track bar, I was curious what tie rod and drag link you have on bromance and Heathen? Thinking steer smart, even though I want to continue my Metalcloak pieces.
Dam, I guess I haven’t been looking at the control arms that the True Dual Rate lift doesn’t replace from MC. Guess I gotta spend some more money with MC to make my lift a Game Changer lift.
Lol, “violent” from bromance taking a fall with the Mopar lift.
Really enjoyed hearing your first hand experience with their(Mopar/Jeep) lift.
As always awesome video!
Hey buddy glad to hear u enjoyed the video.. I’m no fan of tht Teraflex carrier ... if u keeping it on the tail gate, get the cavfab... great price and heavy duty.
I used to have the steersmarts track bar on front. But swapped it for rk over rubbing into my hd diff plates
JL LIFE OFFROAD I still have the track bar that came with my MC lift, otherwise I’m just thinking about the tie rod and drag link from steer smarts. I’d think it would be smarter to stick with Metalcloak.
I’m kicking myself for not getting the poison spyder tire carrier since it works with the bumper, thus no weight to the tail gate. I’ve had similar tire carriers but told myself I don’t like that style and wanted to keep the carrier stockish like. Since I’ve installed it I’ve in ways regretted it, with having issues with installing the lug bolts to having to readjust the height after upgrading the rear bumper since it was rubbing at the 35” tire height adjustment. I don’t like that they refer to using Mopar. Not a fan of anything Mopar and your video just proves it more. Guess I’ll start setting the money to the side for either the GenRight swing out carrier or the Poison Spyder one(which would require me to take the bumper off🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤦🏼♂️🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑🤑
haha. literally just had the same experience at the dealer last week about my steering box. They woudn't even address the play in the steering box because there was steer smarts parts. They told me they inspected "the remaining factory parts" and my sway bar links were tight and in good working order. haha
Would love for you to compare MC and RK at some point. I don't think you have. But really curious on the comparison, on and off road.
Lol, omg I can only imagine the fan boys for both sides coming out for tht video! Oooof!
The service department is completely separate from the dealer side and managed differently... but it’s frustrating as hell... most worthless job out there? A mechanic at a jeep dear ship... lol
JL LIFE OFFROAD hahaha. All the more reason you should do the comparison. And sadly they’re not mechanics. They’re just part installers. They wouldn’t even help diagnose the problem regardless of the warranty. Are you just living with it or did you do anything with the steering box? Debating adjusting the backlash on it.
Which dealer did you buy from that was having to warranty issues.
Mark casa
Which do you like better - the metalcloak or the rock crawler lift - dont say metalclock because it's on your jeep lol! 😜🤘
MC 🤷♂️ 😂
Hey by the way, what is the metalcloak lift kit you got called? Cool video man!
Hey there! Glad to hear u enjoyed the video! I’m currently using the metalcloak 3.5 game changer with rock sport shocks
I think something is wrong with your spring cause mine doesn’t look like that.
Quick question and it’s just cause I’m curious , aren’t you supposed to re-adjust the track bar after installing a lift ?
U should do a full alignment after lifting... the moparnlift don’t come with the track bars to even do that...
What’s wrong with my springs are u noticing?
JL LIFE OFFROAD it looked too compressed
American patriot ahhhh Thts the double rated spring... the 2nd spring was a triple rated spring... 100% how it’s suppose to look... u having the mopar lift... it’s single rated.
Single rated is even spacing on the spring and functions as u go up to double and triple rated... the top of the springs get tighter... to give it a softer bounce when off roading
So can you just add aftermarket trackbars to fix it?
Well… it will correct a big problem with the lift…. But really depends on what kind of 4x4 you wanting to do…
If it’s just on road and dirt roads…
Yea, prefect and ready to go
Intelligent easy to understand, very nice work. Subscribed
Glad you liked the video!, thank you for watching
Mo, good video and description. We must have the same dealer. All 💩💩💩💩. Keep up the good work
8hrs for an oil change... unreal... lol but thank you for watching and the support to the channel!
My man Mo. I love your channel and love how you explain everything in layman’s terms, for us dummies and how you give your honest opinion about a part, product or brand. You tell it how it is and are not a salesman for parts. My question for you is, I know in one video you said you added Coil spacers to your 2” lift for more lift and clearance cause you never liked the lift it gave you. I just did a RC 2.5” lift on my 15 jku, so I am not able to afford a taller lift kit, since I just did the 2.5” lift. I have already added RC adjustable front and rear lower control arms, RC adjustable track bars front and rear, with both RC track bar brackets front and rear. I have the jk lean and I am about to add coil spacers, 2” front passenger, 2.5” rear passenger, 1.5” front drivers and 2” rear drivers, essentially adding 1” all the way around, and the extra .5-1” to level the lean. Is that going to interfere with anything. I did order the RC 4-6” extended brake lines front and rear, RC rear spring perch correction brackets and spring retainers and I have the RC high steer dragline flip to install also. The RC 2.5 gave me a little extra lift in the front then the rear, and I only have factory bumpers, no winch, and a 33 nitto on the tailgate with MORYDE reinforced hinges. What issues am I gonna have, will this work, now I am not a hard core off road Jeep guy, easy muddy trails, slightly bumpy roads but it’s my daily driver and my lift looks small compared to most with 2.5-3.5-4.0 lifts and 35 tires. I just want taller, more clearance and eventually adding 35-37 tires when I can afford the regear. What am I about to get into that I overlooked.
Hmmm... brake lines and drive shaft clearance are the big things people tend to over look when lifting... on the drive shaft u will need to make sure ur angles are not way out of alignment or extreme angles... and also making sure the actual shaft clears everything else... on the JL.. I know tht front drive shaft can start rubbing into the tranny.... expensive fix 😂
Mopar designed or Teraflex designed?
🤔So, I take it that you were unhappy with your MOPAR Lift, correct???🤔🤔🤔😏😆👍🏻
Hope all is well Bro....
Lol.. I like the springs 🤷♂️ 😂
You and I went same route … however I did not give my mopar lift a chance to screw up … I looked at mine after me and a buddy installed and noticed the bowed springs and the out of centered alignment.. I ordered the parts and fixed before wheeling !!! The fox shocks must be inconsistent … you say yours was stiff & I think mine were overly spongy … I agree that I wish I had waited and saved the $1200.00 I spent on the mopar lift till the release of metal cloaks … however it was fun doing everything that jks were doing with $4-6000.00 of suspension .. I think I got my money’s worth out of it ... but that is just me … I feel that yours pissed you off from the getgo & you was snake bitten from there on out !!! I love your videos and reviews … but on this one we will mildly have to agree to disagree !!
Know, pissed from the start? No... I was to dumb to know what I had just installed in my jeep... as I ran and abused it... new problems kept coming up .... the one good thing it did was teach me why everything in a suspension is important... $1400 lesson for me...
Sweet video, although I was nervously uncomfortable with ya as well!
Oh yea?
I agree with you! My JK had the Mopar lift when I bought it off the lot it was TRASH! Best part from the lift and only part I still have on it is the brake line extension brackets.
Lol, best part of mine, I slowly got to learn why every piece of a lift important 😂😂😂
👍👍👍 nice contrast and comparisons
The wigs? Lol
If you added up all the tools how much have you spent!?
I don’t wanna add
Love the video
Thank you, I’m glad to hear you enjoyed the video my friend! And thank you for watching!