Secrets in the Cutscenes of MGSV | THREE | Eyes on Kazuhira
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Ever since the 2015 release of Hideo Kojima's METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN, fans have endlessly speculated over its many secrets, misdirects, and possible interpretations. Yet its harshest critics, on the other hand, have alleged the game was left unfinished, and ultimately unfulfilling.
A common complaint has been that TPP lacked cutscenes with the typical MGS substance, and that it's story feels elliptical. Even die-hard fans have convinced themselves of a coming secret 'Chapter Three', where every dot will be connected, and every stray plot-line conclusively tied up.
But is it possible that underneath it all, MGSV is not only a completely finished game, but one with more detailed, rich, and nuanced cut-scenes than any entry before it?
In this new series from Futurasound Productions, creator of the hit trilogy 'WTF Happens in MGSV', we return again to the polarizing and mysteriously hypnotic swan song that is MGSV:TPP - this time to take a deeper dive than ever, specifically into the cutscenes.
What did Code Talker mean when he said 'Eyes on Kazuhira'? Is everything as it seems on Mother Base? Or is Kaz hiding some sort of nefarious secret...behind the drapery? Let's find out! 
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I don’t really buy the whole “ocelot is weird in this game because he’s under hypnosis”. The truth tapes show us ocelot before he undergoes treatment and he’s indistinguishable from the character we see through the rest of the game. I more subscribe to the idea that this is ocelots true personality. This is the only game where he’s not trying to trick everybody by putting on some outlandish character. He’s just helping the Boss(es) so he can more or less be his actual self for once- a highly intelligent, level headed and loyal man.
I like this take
💯
Lol that’s what I was thinking
Yeah I thought that was the whole idea all along.
Or Kojima just fucked up
Its ok to admit it
I never noticed the subtlety of Venom assuming whale was a delicacy when it was actually just cheap.
That theory about "the man who sold the world" tape being a subtle way of reinforcing Venoms brainwashing is genius. I'm sure many people heavily listened to that song exploring or put on there chopper speaker very early on.
Or still listens to it now irl because it's a good song
that song made me like the original bowie version. I like both of em but not the nirvana cover.
@@ArtofLunatik i love the bowie version so many accents and subtle effects and a fantastic song
..i literally just changed my chopper song to that the other day..
ArtofLunatik I love the nirvana version. It doesn’t hit as hard as the other two in the context of Bowie’s story, or mgsvs, but I love it, it’s stripped back and the guitar and vocals do all the work.
This game was on sale for $6 the other day. Not sure if it still is, but just in case anyone watching hasn’t played it.
I would buy, but my computer does not fit min requirements for the game. My desktop is old late 00's hardware. Not much but I only use it for work.
6 dollars? i bought the def. edition for 3-4 euros a month ago ^^
@@Menaceblue3 I brought games my computer couldn't run because I knew eventually I would upgrade. If you're not planning on buying new hardware. You're better off saving your money. MGV isn't that amazing. It's the best gameplay of MG series, but it's very shallow and hollow compared to other MG titles. Also the main gameplay loop are not designed for people with OCD. I just got stuck raiding camps endlessly trying to upgrade items to tackle main missions. And I never really did the main missions because I always felt under powered and not ready. It's not a good open world design imo. They did better in death stranding.
I got the game along with gz a week ago. Right now I've got my first Mission in Africa. Until now the game is pretty good. But I think the game might get boring after some time. I got it for 7,50€ on steam and it was totally worth it
@@silasmweri938 i doubt that it will get boring. you will get upset about something else but i wont spoiler of course. have fun !
Here it's another interpretation, what if Miller literally could not recognize Big Boss face. Taking into account that when you're in the ACC at night and zoom into the window you can see the reflection of you avatar instead, also Huey and the AI pod also don't seem to recognize him and in one point it's said that soldiers in the battlefield don't even know Big Bosses face only his reputation.
So what I'm saying it's that Venom Snake real face during the game it's really the one we created as our avatar.
That;s a fun theory but it isn't true because Venom Clearly has Big Bosses facial features later in life
unless you're going to suggest Solid Snake didn't know big bosses face, or that he knew Venom as his Big Boss, which is even less likely, though it would explain how he didn't know BB was his dad.
Fun theory, like the previous guy said but you're missing one crucial detail. Kaz is blind.
The details of this theory just needs to shift to Venom's vocal pattern, since he rarely speaks as is and I full on agree.
None of the Diamond Dogs knew what Big Boss actually looked like prior to being fultoned, the other enlisted men from GZ are all batshit crazy now too, so it isn't hard to pass him off without the facial reconstruction. All they need is the reputation and physical presence of the Phantom, like you said.
It's only Huey, Kaz, and Ocelot who matter regarding their reactions toward Venom. Huey was dumbfounded and downright confused when he saw you, Kaz seems uneasy the whole time as well as undermines Venom's command every time, and Ocelot is technically your handler there to make sure the hypnogogia and ruse itself is effective. Even the AI Pod seemed confused that it was Snake.
I'm thinking Kaz is the only one with a motive to overthrow you. A coup, of sorts. He stands by his idealism but he's also a traitor, but to what capacity on both counts? He threatened to shoot Venom out of the sky, he intentionally let the response teams get killed in the Metal Slug mission, he's been in recent contact with Zero, he's being kept from certain details of the Phantom project even if he's pieced it together on his own, and he's been uncomfortable on motherbase ever since he's arrived there.
@@RecluseBootsy actually Kaz is photosensitive
@@RecluseBootsy Ooof, imagine lecturing people on "missing one crucial detail" and then going on to say Kaz is blind. You've missed the crucial detail that Kaz is not blind, he's just very sensitive to light.
Either way the guy is right. The theory that its your avatar is wrong
In addition to being an excellent analyst of MG lore, Futurasound has shown viewers of his videos that MGSV has incredible depth in its narrative, of which many players were not fully aware.
Dude, for years that's been the case. People complaining about this and that without the slighest idea of what narrative purpose anything serves.
He truly is the Professor of Kojimaism 101. I imagine if there ever was a collegiate course in Metal Gear lore, he'd be the only candidate for the job.
There's definitely a hidden depth to V. At a surface view it falls way short of the typical MGS storytelling format. But like most MGS fans do, it takes reviewing and combing for details and indepth analysis to really get the full picture. It doesn't help that most people didn't play Peace Walker, not being a numbered title in the series. I've come around from my original stance on V, that it was a bad story. It's just different, I think PW did it better, but that's just my opinion. As great as the gameplay is, it doesn't make up for the fractured story structure, and insufferable Pequod intros every single mission.
Yes, and his videos are amazing. He's also grasping at straws in some cases, seeing patterns where most likely none were intended.
@@jonatanperdomo432 I agree with this point. I think people's expectations may have - somewhat understandably - been for V to have fed them a MGS2/4-style set of bloated codec calls or cutscenes to explain the narrative for them.
What V actually provided was a more nuanced, layered delivery of its story. The use of the cassette tapes typifies this. Futurasound/Jorin does a brilliant job at analysing the depth of MGSV.
As much as the omission of David Hayter from MGS:V still hurts me, it would have all been forgivable if only they revealed him as the real voice of the real Big Boss in the end cutscenes/tapes.
I still low key believe, that Kojima had this in mind at some point.
i like kiefer better. and ive played all the mgs. i love hayter as Solid Snake. That;s his 100% but if i oculd have big boss voiced by kiefer in say, a metla gear 1 and 2 remake (maybe done in a single game..) I'd be happy as shit.
If we had played those truth tapes and I heard Hayters voice I would have flipped my shit or when we replayed the truth mission.
Lol I was googling about Miller's eyes last few days, handy!
Outstanding effort , presentation and commitment to the cause Boss.
Snow-9 is a reference to Ice-9 in Kurt Vaunnegut's novel, Cat's Cradle. Ice-9 is a symbolic representation of the nuclear bomb and the end of the world.
I dont think MSF and Miller knew who Ocelot was originally, so it reinforced the charade. Venom HAD to know him(hypnosis), but never met him technically, Ocelot even says 'I'm a friend' or something when they meet. Like he had to SUGGEST who he was.
"I'm Ocelot. Big Boss, you know who I am" or something along those lines
Miller knew Ocelot's reputation and relationship with Big Boss, told by Zero
17:46 Maybe Kaz is ironically telling himself That real Big Boss left him with the phantom when Venom spoke his name
I'm so happy to see new mgsv content as I attempt 100% it blows me away that it seems we really haven't figured everything out. What are those last two tapes about?
I think MGSV is the biggest puzzle in gaming history, and so many people were turned off by it when it first came out to really give it the time of day it deserved.
People were turned off by its absolutely terrible open world, and the repeat missions.
@@OrphanCrippler1yeah. I was kinda expecting a more varied experience. It was pretty much Peace Walker again minus the horrible boss battles (which was the biggest plus).
I think the rescue of missing MSF personnel can be like a nod to the fact we accepted Venom as the real Big Boss in the beginning not for facts but for imagery, like if you walk towards them they repel you but if you hide in a cardboard box and play Love Deterrence they just accept you without any questioning. IDK it's just something I realize.
grabbing and interrogating them also has the same effect. when you let go after, they'll salute you aswell
For someone who supposedly never wanted to make anymore games in the series, Kojima sure put considerable effort into each succeeding iteration.
No creator really wants to see the legacy of their work tarnished, even if they don't want to work on it anymore.
please never stop what are you doing sir
28:10 my opinion is he probably has his eyes closed cuz he’s bloodied and beaten, physically and mentally tortured. I get what you were gettin at with the guilty conscious. I bet he’s just exhausted though. With how detailed your analyses get, gotta be careful not to give meaning to something without meaning lol. love all your vids man! 👌
"or this video will be demonetized" wow savage
"I can't talk about the most important historical event of the past nearly 3 decades (since fall of Berlin Wall etc) without being demonetized" while the map is right between Saudi Arabia and Israel lol.
pakistan xD
Everything that Solidus feared twelve years ago... It's all
come to pass 😭
Eyes on kazuhira... a MASSAGE from parasites...
*message
@@dylangraf7459 no shit sherlock
I think the milky eyes of Kaz Miller is his cataracts..
With how the story unfolds in MGSV, how do we know that the Kaz we rescue is actually Kaz?
It's kaz no doubt about it.
And the events he got through it made sense because of his betrayal during Zanibar mission.
Are we not going to talk about the subtle irony of ocelot telling boss that kaz would want boss to “put those 9 years behind him” and move forward as Big Boss, even though we’ll come to see that that is exactly the OPPOSITE of what Kaz wants. Kaz cannot accept the past nine years and move on, his whole motivation lies within clutching onto the past and getting revenge.
It’s such a nice, subtle line. Sometimes you can forget that Kojima can actually use subtlety at times when he wants to lol
The same way that Kaz doesnt recognize snake ties into how Emerec and Strangelove (if you walk up to the PW AI core) fail to recognize him. Very apparent in the second playthough of the game
It's my headcanon that Kaz was only able to take the acoustic tape with him when Mother Base sank. And he kept it with him all these 9 years.
I think it's amazing that, in my many playthroughs of this game spread out throughout the years, so much of these themes, misdirections, hidden details, etc. that Futura points out in his plethora of MGS V videos went right over my head at the time, even though some are in plain site, I was just so caught up in enjoying the masterfully crafted gameplay of MGS and getting joyful entertainment out of it, that, even though hints of these things crept up, they weren't obvious enough that I would notice them over just enjoying a game. It's interesting how this melting pot of ideas and gameplay show to different players such as myself.
These videos are great, you do a good job of explaining things most people didn't understand about MgsV
Your content has inspired me to start my own MGS channel, @NagohNibor. I've been posting speed runs and stuff for now but I'm doing my own research to make my own essays about the games. Thank you very much for the thought provoking content, Jorin. :)
Where the essay dawg :(
I've watched so many marathon streams of the entire series, and I'm so ready to ABSORB another one of your breakdowns.
Great channel. Thanks!!!
This is my favorite series on youtube. Youre a pro at this
FS drops a video-> I dash
Watching your videos is always a treat and insightful they have my own wheels turning. Like it’s interesting to see how many characters mirror each other Miller and Huey being one example. They both have a child through a failed marriage, both have worked for Cipher and claim to be on your side before leaving cursing Big Boss’s name, and they also point fingers at others when they don’t want to admit a wrong doing they did. Thank you Boss for all your hard work see you next time :)
Will you make an "what even happened" episode of the original metal gear and metal gear 2? Would love to hear a detailed decription of those games!
Great vid, and glad I found your channel. Subbed. One thing I'd like to point out about Kaz's eyes, though. Kaz has always had cataracts, implied to have been caused by his mother having an STI when he was born. It's why he has always worn sunglasses.
It is always a good day when you upload
One of the interesting later scenes is when Kaz is at Ocelot about who the spy is, and Ocelot interjects him saying what if he's a spy or him.
"The past always remains with us, but how it's remembered and what it ultimately means is constantly changing with the present." That's going to stick with me a long time.
Brother, when you spoke of miller’s eyes it seems you have a missing file in your Final Cut project. Whatever graphic you wanted to display there showed up as the “missing file” icon in this version you uploaded. 20:25
I spotted it and wanted to let you know.
that sucks!
@@FuturasoundProductions I feel ya. I edit on FCP too and it is annoying for sure.
Great video nonetheless 💪🏼
Honestly i didnt know this could be that interesting thank you for the video futurasound
I'm in love with these videos make more please
Ocelot: Rescue Miller.
Snake: Got it. Its Miller time
Ocelot: *fultons away*
I think it has to be an oil tanker. The imagery of the changing world with Snake passing from a whaler to an oil tanker is on point.
That song at the end too.....paz segment. Mirage. The vision fades. Gets me every time
2:40 Never noticed those two ships being apart on the map until now. God I love these videos so much, it's so cool to notice stuff like this!!!
@Neno ?
@@morderus0033
Right???
I’VE BEEN WAITING
This better get 25k views. 1. Because you deserve it. You do an amazing job with these and 2. Because its my favorite series right now. Keep up the great work!
i agree this is fantastic and it gave me a whole new appreciation of mgs v considering it seemed a bit bare bones compared to other the games
Goddamn, your videos are of incredibly remarkable quality!
I just ralized why David Hayter isnt voicing Snake in MGSV, but Keifer Sutherland is. Its because you are not playing Snake, and thats also why Kaz doesnt recognize your voice when you free him.
So true and well said
Porém no ground zeroes vc joga com o snake original o verdadeiro big boss e já é o Keifer
I really appreciate that you deliver the story and the backstory of the unique past as well as the present , mgs games in a sense are not designed to make sense, that's what separates these games from others, just when you think you have everything figured out, the plot twisted. Great video my friend.👍👍
1 hour after premiere this video has 1.3k views. I really hope it continues up to and beyond the target because I love this series.
Spoilers: The idroid is a smart phone. It's name is clearly a reference toward the two biggest mobile platform: " i " phone and an'droid'.
Something to do with the gw ai!
@@benjaminfromcanadakanada3948the creepy thing is, mgs predicted a world controlled by and dependent on a wide information network.
Look what we have in real life now.
Yes, I caught the premiere!! I don't miss any of your videos. I'm playing mgsv right now actually! It's replayability is great!
I wish you could start a fresh game though ....
@@ciaranmcgrath3273 If you have PSplus, upload your PS4 save to the cloud. Then delete the save on your console. You get a brand new save WITH your online GMP and resources, eliminating a lot of grind.
I return to it regularly too 😂 those Soviet soldiers must dread hearing "Kids in America", knowing Venom is once again back to kill/kidnap them by the dozen
me too bro ^^ started again a new game. glad there are many people who still play it.
@@Fox_Pajama Sounds great but I'm on Xbox. I'd rather play the whole game in Subsistence to be honest. I like the stealth challenge.
28:53 that’s actually the exact opposite of subtle though isn’t it?
These videos are amazing!
When you were talking about gift, I was reminded of the bomb that ocelot leaves snake in msg1
Dude fudge that thing. I remember completely ignoring it even with the codec calls thinking that its a dud and then it explodes. 😂😂😂
Also glad you brought up Silent Hill re: the way the Skulls move. I always thought of them as moving in a horror-creature way (perhaps specifically j-horror popularized that kind of jerky movement). As a horror fan I always enjoy the horror bits Kojima injects in to his games as they are usually quite excellent (which makes me think Silent Hills would've turned out pretty good :(
I think their movement also resembles that of a marionette, which would make sense in representing the skulls, but also recalls psycho mantis controlling other people, especially the B&B corps in MGS4.
Fwiw, I think "Voices" is a fantastic bit of horror gameplay. Slowly making your way towards and in to the Devil's House is one of the creepiest and unnerving sequences I've played.
No-one:
Futrasound:W E T
Kaz's eyes are a result of cataracts
Super late response, obviously, but yeah. I thought Kaz had cataracts because his mother had an STI when he was born. That's why he has always worn sunglasses all the way back to his first appearance.
Welcome back boss!
god damn, these are really good
I can't wait to get into this topic. We all know Ocelot is a triple agent triple crossing everyone. Juggling agencies and handlers like he used to juggle those wheel guns.
But Kaz... Oof, what a history. When I met the man, he was already dead in a cabin not too far from Shadow Moses. The only report I had was a... Phantom... of him by Liquid, it fooled his closest friends and set a baseline for the kind of man Miller was to his peers.
By the time TPP came out, I felt like something was off with him the whole time. Telling Venom he's calling the shots but undermines him at every turn, refusing the prosthetics knowing where they come from, consistently opposes anything Ocelot suggests, flinches when Huey calls him a traitor too, and the nail in the coffin was Codetalker's cryptic warning. He had something to hide and it wasn't all laid out bare.
The conversation with Zero isn't too damning. Spies gotta spy, liars gotta lie BUT what's Kaz's Endgame? His motivations? Where does his loyalty lie ultimately?
burgers
another great video.
Always enjoyable!
Great video, I can’t believe I never noticed how Miller has 3 days to live here and was killed 3 days prior Solid Snake infiltrating Shadow Moses. There’s a lot to unpack here but that’s very interesting.
loving it!!!!!
To say that this game is EXTREMELY layered would be a MASSIVE understatement!😄. Love the videos! Best game ever!
Think I might start this game up again
28:20 The turbulence also sounds very similar to when Mother Base is destroyed and BB+Kaz are trying to escape towards the helicopter.
Would you consider doing a playthrough of one of the games or the series itself? With all the work you put into the videos, it would be cool to actually watch you play them
I'm loving this series!!!
The three days Easter egg is quite clever
I thought that when Kaz said no more use for me that was a reference to when he an ocelot talked about venom being the dopple ganger that they would have to protect. Maybe he was mad at the real BB and just wanted to get that out of system. But then again I could be yard's off :/
i hate that youtube remove the fucking upload date of every video that is abit new
15:27 this was supposedly composed by Kaz and Paz on Peace day, both of their names means "Peace" in Japanese and spanish
I'm so glad to have you and your passion for a series I love. I'm hoping this RUclips thing is working out for you.
I just thought that Kaz said 'no use for me' is just directed towards the real Big Boss
I had always assumed that too. I've gone through this game a handful of times and BB's character motivation still puzzles me. It would've helped if the game showed us more to the world wanting him dead, rather than just being told. Same thing with all of Zero's motivations and actions.
The most important thing to remember with Metal Gear lore is that EVERYONE is an unreliable narrator.
that's why you are the best boss, the one and only.
i’m very interested in your thoughts on the iDroid
Can you make a full timeline with every game?
Got my sub you lost me way back in vid one but damn I appreciate the effort I love this series and am ashamed to admit don’t understand the story that well these vids help keep up the good work!
Question: how did Venom get so muscular within the 10 days from awaking? Do you think the syringe Ocelot inhected him with was some type of super steroid/nanomachines that rebuilt his muscle tissue within a couple of days?
Nanomachines, son
The sneaking suit makes him look massive, especially the legs. Maybe it has enhancing properties like the one Solidus had in mgs2
@@rizadon18
Venom looks pretty beefy even without the sneaking suit. For example picking the "naked" options on the camo BDUs
17:45 ish - Maybe Skull Face, to get Kaz on board with the whole "Venom Snake" thing???
Again though I know I've said this before but *god* I love it when the little details are put together like this. I never really thought of the fact that Kaz responded to English despite being in Afghanistan.
Wait what? Already another video out?
YES finally
You didn't adress the bionic arm change, from yellow to red. I Would really like to hear your thoughts about that. Btw, nice touch at the end, with the white thing.
I have a theory, maybe it makes sense. At the beginning we see that venom snake gets colour blind to red and now think the thing ocelot injects in snake makes him colur blind for a short period of time and he gets okay by the time they reach Afghanistan..
Sorry for my bad english:)
@@TheHunter-um5bo I think so too and it's ok
9:13 Is that a scope flare on the right side on the hill?
If I recall, there's actually a collectable diamond in that spot. I remember getting it a few years ago when I first started MGSV.
26:45 could also be the Japanese number translation which is 0(oh)-Ni "Oni"
"BeT ThE PheNteM Pen... Et Never LeTs Ep"
My theory on the skull unit's guns is that it is indeed formed with metallic archaea, as well as being composed of metallic archaea. We already know it can be used to enrich uranium, corrode metal, used in improving machines à la Huey Emmerich, and be used to puppet humans. So it's not too far fetched to say that the weapons are composed of the metallic archaea. It could be possible that the mist is an inert form of the archaea that the skulls can manipulate.
I like this theory. The mist disappears as soon as they escape too. Its as if, its something they are emitting from themselves.
I hope you realize that you make THE best MGS content - and the best video game content - on RUclips. Keep it up!!
The idroid is Kojima not getting sued by Apple or Android…pretty Smart damnit. I hate having to give creative geniuses credit. Makes me feel so, insignificant…
Let me know what you smoke to be in the same headspace as Kojima
Nothing and no one can or ever will convince me that Ocelot actually hypnotized himself to forget such crucial things. Ocelot is just being Ocelot, playing the role he is supposed to for that time. Not Adamska, not Revolver, not Ocelot, but aid to Venom.
I'll never believe he hypnotized himself then.
10:07 AFTER NAHN ELEVEN
I've always been fairly certain that Ocelot was at least one of Miller's principal interogators / handlers (and the high likelyhood that he eventually becomes his assassin in 2005). Or that Miller was under his jurisdiction as Shalashaska. How else would he know so much about Miller than if he handled the matter personally. It is also not explicit in any game when the two met.
I've always been puzzled by the change in Miller's eyes, along with Code Talker's cryptic warning about them. This is a fascinating mystery.
There is much to indicate Skull Face spared Miller's life after the Skulls Unit ambush. This is ostensibly done to in order to draw Big Boss out from hiding and into the open. But in order to do so, he releases Miller into custody of Soviet forces, making him a visible and accessible target under Ocelot's purview. The exchange would likely mean he and Ocelot have a "gentleman's agreement", a game theory -style play between both spymasters and interrogators. Skull Face gets his wish, exposing "Big Boss" by using Miller as bait. Ocelot gains entrance into Diamond Dogs by only placing the Big boss' Phantom into harm's way, allowing Big Boss to escape Skull Face's notice. Later, Skull Face may have his doubts, but actually *seems* convinced he is facing the real Big boss when Venom and him meet at OKB Zero. Ocelot himself insists to Venom Snake how critical is is to play into Skull Face's plan by rescuing Miller, therefore further reinforcing Venom's confidence in him, Miller owing him one despite having every reason to hate him, and Skull Face being none the wiser about Big Boss. That's some good conning, con man.
Skull Face likely had Miller injected with parasites not long before handing him off to Ocelot. The purpose and effects of that treatment could be anything from the medical intervention required to save the lone survivor of the ambush OR to use him as a trojan-horse style trap (just like he did with Paz) by implanting him with a strain of the vocal cord parasites, perhaps, in order to make him a transmission vector at Mother Base, OR an attempt to control him via the parasites in the event of his death (the second outbreak happens - after - his death, read only AFTER Huey makes absolutely sure he is dead and fiddling with the scanning equipment at MB, etc) Whatever actually happens, it seems Skull Face was using Miller in some way.
Anyways... the ramblings of a madman!
Remember - Kaz speaks in the Chico tape where they are implanting the bomb into Paz "Give her the damn shot!". Miller and Skullface were working together, at least for a time.
@@waltlock8805 Interesting note! I never thought of that voice as belonging to Kaz.
Do I really need to rewatch this video 1803 times to get part 4? Well was gonna do it anyway.
You mention how the game is filled with mirrors and inversions. In this scene Kaz is blind in his left eye from swelling. This is a mirror of Snake who is blind in his right eye.
27:27 Makes you think of Death Stranding's 3D printing, doesn't it?
very cool
About the brown dust anyone notice the dust in the ACC,there is something weird about it