Secrets in the Cutscenes of MGSV | TWO | Cyprus
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Ever since the 2015 release of Hideo Kojima's METAL GEAR SOLID V: THE PHANTOM PAIN, fans have endlessly speculated over its many secrets, misdirects, and possible interpretations. Yet its harshest critics, on the other hand, have alleged the game was left unfinished, and ultimately unfulfilling.
A common complaint has been that TPP lacked cutscenes with the typical MGS substance, and that it's story feels elliptical. Even die-hard fans have convinced themselves of a coming secret 'Chapter Three', where every dot will be connected, and every stray plot-line conclusively tied up.
But is it possible that underneath it all, MGSV is not only a completely finished game, but one with more detailed, rich, and nuanced cut-scenes than any entry before it?
In this new series from Futurasound Productions, creator of the hit trilogy 'WTF Happens in MGSV', we return again to the polarizing and mysteriously hypnotic swan song that is MGSV:TPP - this time to take a deeper dive than ever, specifically into the cutscenes.
In this, part two, we'll discuss the Hospital in Cyprus, and the phantom who glides over all: Major Zero.
MGSV: Mr. Venom overdoses on Ketamine
A speedrun to surpass Metal Gear.
Stuck in a K hole
@@PlebNC I've watched someone play Assassin's Creed on ketamine, when I say play he kept spinning in circles and falling off buildings. He did fall near the objective marker now and again but only to be absolutely gang raped by the enemies nearby as he stood or laid there defenseless.
@@PlebNC Ketamine and speedrun go together like peas and custard.
Skull Face: Please Mr Venom please get me some ketamine I’M FEENING
To my knowledge, this is the only modern fiction that integrates the modern misinterpretation of "1984" with the original point of the novel. Most people these days think it was meant to be about surveillance. They don't realize it was more about language. So much so that Orwell particularly despised the term "Orwellian" because it was a perfect example of what he was trying to warn against doing when it comes to language.
Where did you fojnd this?
Well I think anyone can get it. If you change the words, you change the world.
Well, yes and no, Orwell obviously thought that things like Uber authoritarian governments and that states that spy on their citizens to such an extent are pretty bad. However, that wasn’t his main message.
His main message was that it any sort of rebellion already lost. The citizens already speak Newspeak (which is a very simplified language designed to limit how much one can think for themselves and spread any, “dangerous”, ideas). They already lost, they couldn’t win from the beginning, the game was rigged from the start.
That is the point of the book, the party already won by basically guaranteeing that any possible rebellion is going to be a few people that won’t even hold those, “dangerous ideas”, for a while and might only be able to share them with a few others. That is the party’s power, not knowing what you are doing 24/7.
The common misuse of "Orwellian" is one of my biggest pet peeves. It's usually clear that anytime it's used the person hasn't read the book since high school and they're just using it because they heard someone else use it to describe surveillance/big tech/censorship etc.
@thompkins6796
Orwellian,
of, relating to, or suggestive of George Orwell or his writings
-Websters.
Surveillance occurred in the book 1984, and thus, one is not wrong for using the term in response to government surveillance, according to Websters anyways.
I didn't realise Venom Snake was being given ketamine, that's what they gave me in hospital after I nearly died in a hit-and-run a few months ago, explains why the opening of the game is so relatable then! I have complete amnesia for the week I stayed there, I still have no memory of the accident either. Now I'm wondering if I'm the real me or a phantom duplicate.
We passed upon a stair
Hoping you're alright from the future...
I also never realized this but I can't believe I didn't... Ketamine was uhh... a hobby of mine a long time ago... 🤣
@@theonlybilge We spoke of was and when
@@theonlybilge We spoke of was and when
@@OperatorVanta he said I was his friend
Ocelot and V rides on the white horse, signifying that their greatness derives from The Boss in some way. And ocelot is the one riding it, and inviting V to ride with him, because he is the one really in control of the MGS franchise
That's stretching it a bit. Ocelot riding the horse is simply a reference to him being the son of the Boss and greatest ally of Big Boss.
I can neither agree or disagree with any interpretations presented in this excellent video.
Yeah definitely quite the job well done
@@BigBoss_7191 or was it?
Without permission from the Secretary?
I think he's pretty good
What about raiden's name being jack❗❓😒😔🤔😱
This is the first time I've noticed that when he punches the mirror his reflection alternated in the shattered fragments. He punches with his prosthetic, but a whole arm is in the reflection, and the horn disappears from his head.
I feel stupid.
Don’t feel stupid
So, what the hell happened whenever we used our rocket arm?
Venom Snake MUST have had a prosthetic arm.
@@denkerbosu3551
He does. Big Boss doesn't. Venom is staring into his reflection, Big Boss.
@@cezerelecrucio9717 oohhhhh, so Big Boss DOESN'T have a prosthetic arm. Ok, I get it now.
I'm not at that part in the video yet but it seems after he punches the mirror it's Big Boss when Solid Snake is attacking Outer Heaven
I wish they would add a patch that allows you to replay all the cut scenes after finishing the game
RUclips and they play when you replay the mission
Or a new game plus mode. You have to delete your save file or play on a different account just to replay this game
@@hunnerboi8561 all of your online progress and savings are transferred over, so it makes leveling up and getting new gear way faster.
I understand the thaught however implementing the feature would be admitibly difficult due to the nature of the cutscenes themselves. All tended in real time on engine. The game would need to load up an entire stage, populate and call in the nesicary npcs, decide on a lighting and time of day, (normal stuff that is all already loaded by the time players trigger the cutscenes). It would be resource heavy for computers and I can see it being hard to implement. The alternative is having prerecorded cutscenes being stored locally, however that would increase disk space and the recording would have to be of a certain quality to match the real time renders, if that is even possible in itself.
Yes they had it in mgs3 ffs
We reached the nuclear disarmament yesterday on the ps3. No exploits used. legit.
The fact that it's virtually impossible to legit do this on PC because there are too many players is fucking depressing, but then again I guess that's kind of the point? Increasing the amount of people who have the possibility of obtaining nuclear weapons exponentially decreases the possibility of total nuclear disarmament. Man, reality is grim. Remember when people thought irl nukes would slowly be fazed out after the end of the cold war? Literally the opposite happened. It was so naïve and hopeful to think anything otherwise :/
@@Glassandcandy the fact that its virtually is the reason there is no point
@@Glassandcandy that's sad damn
I thought this was reached months ago?
@@mann-nova9392 no that was on PS4
Damn, that Jean le Carre quote is so perfect in describing the end of TPP that I'm surprised Kojima didn't actually put it in the game lol
19:10 you can actually see Ishmael hiding in the doorway when the camera pans around too
You're telling me that Venom snake in the beginning mission of MGSV is high on ketamine
I really don't see anything odd about Snake not feeling pain in his arm until it is reset. My TKD coach was in a fight and someone threw a kick which bent his fingers backwards; He said he didn't feel it until he put his fingers back into place.
It's part of a normal shock reaction. I've had quite a bunch of EMTs tell me basically the same thing - they see people walking around after accidents that are completely fucked up and it's only after they start treating them that many show reactions.
Same happened to me during a boxing match. Broke my nose but only realized it afterwards. Must've been All the adrenaline pumping in my blood
But you know TKD is useless in a real fight right?
@@rankalucard3960 Good God it is terrible. I think you should only learn it to have an extra skill for Muay Thai or mma. I used to compete in Karate and TKD tournaments but it was wrestling that really taught me how to fight.
@@grsimpson3957 the problem with a lot of martial arts is that they only fight other people that use said martial arts.
Sure, Kung Fu might teach you how to win a fight against another person using Kung Fu, but what if someone just fights plainly without any martial arts or uses something like MMA? How is fighting people that only use Kung Fu going to help you then?
I always viewed the solution coming from under "Ishmael" as a ruse to make it seem like his body released his urine after death so the soldiers didn't think they'd have to look at him, and that's why they skip over him and immediately go over to Venom afterwards.
I absolutely love geeking out with you on these videos. Super excited to hear you'll be covering "Kingdom of the Flies" later!
One minor quibble: you keep saying Venom "broke" his arm or ankle, when he merely dislocated them. You can't pop a break back in to place 😉
Everything finds a way to be relevant in the MGS universe and I love it for that
I like the idea that XOF sees their stealthy assassin come tumbling out a window on fire and immediately panicked and went all hands on deck to kill Snake.
I've said it in another video and I'll say it again: you are doing god's work thank you so so much
Ishmael dissapearing and taking fatal hits without dying can simply be explained by the fact that he is big boss.
Good lord, that audiobook excerpt... I used the audiobook adaptation during high school when I was assigned 1984. Thanks for the flashback.
Could it also be interpreted that the three pigs by the boss' statue could be alluding to the three sons (solid, liquid and solidus), similar to the boss' fight in mgs3 where the there are three snakes that are named after the sons.
And the 4th son. Liquidus
I always thought that even if Big Boss woke up before, it was truly the rage inside the Phantom Big Boss that put mantis into notion, even if he wasnt consciously awake. After 5 Big Boss seemed too detached to care about what happened 9 years ago to feel any "venom" inside that could have awakened Mantis.
It was the rage inside Volgin that put Mantis into motion, though Venom briefly hijacks his will during the hospital sequence
When I thought he'd fleshed this bit out it turns out he's just getting started. Tremendous knowledge of symbology, mysticism and mythology he's looking at this through I cannot get enough.
I recently finished playing MGSV for the first time and these videos are exactly the type of stuff I was looking for after the end more than wiki articles. Keep it up, they're really well made!
If you wrote your own original series I would purchase it so quick. You have a truly unique perspective and I get overwhelmed telling people about your channel. Incredible work @FuturasoundProductions
Nitpicking, their arms aren't breaking, they're being dislocated (with the exception of MGS3). They're then being shown having their joints being set, which is a fix that would only help with dislocation.
Hi there,
Cypriot here.
The painting at 6:41 could well be one of the archaeological sites in Cyprus.
Possibly Amathounta or maybe even one of House of Dionysus or Salamis.
Also, not sure if it was mentioned in earlier videos, but the tunnel shown in Cyprus is not from that area, but rather in Paphos, to the east. And the tunnel did not exist in 1984. It was built much later.
The greek sign translates to:
Cyprus Riding Club
Recreational Organization
Recreational Area of Dhekelia
23:00 The discoloration of red to white is also present any time during gameplay when you get a critical injury and have to heal it. Unlike Ground Zeros of course, where the screen goes red, not white.
The tapes "revealing"conversations between the real Big Boss and others bring called "The Truth Records," with the first tape in the list being called "Doublethink," is so brilliant
Man every one of your videos seems to give me perspective on a new part of any story you cover.
Also that ending part in 47:52 at that exact moment he probably thought: "So this is what eva felt back then when she left me that way huh?"
The way he put down the cigar and exales is like he realized or remembered something.
Lleaving a man decieved on its own but telling him the truth after she was gone, and now he is doing the same, replicating the meme.
this is easily the best analysis of MGS on youtube, thank you so much for always uploading
absolutely love the thought provoking analysis you give us, can’t wait to see what you say about ep 51
This is why MGSV is my favorite game ever. It REQUIRES multiple play-throughs to pick up on the smallest of details that can easily be missed. Great video, as always🤘🏼Can't wait for the next entry!
Everybody's Gangstar until Big Boss' horn start growing
It's a damn crime that Chapter 3 will possibly never see the light of day.
In terms of content I doubt t there was anything beyond episode 51. The game was long enough as it was.
I really dug your comments about the ourobouros at the end. I hadn’t ever really made that observation
Great work once again, can’t wait for the next one!
I wonder if Ishmael represents your still shattered mind. Big Boss and the Medic are both inside your head, you haven't fully integrated Big Boss as your core identity yet but still have access to his skillset and personality through the hypnosis, and it is manifesting as a visual hallucination of your alter personality.
In most games when there are details like these ones I usually write them off as stuff that really was just a coincidence but never in a Kojima game
I believe that "Lager" is referring to the german word for "camp".
Obvious parallel included.
also used by russians for gulags (Glávnoje upravlénije lageréj, "chief administration of the camps), as ocelot had worked for the soviet union it seems right
39:50
A little note: "lager" is a russian word for "camp", like "concentration camp" or even "summer camp", so maybe it's not an african word in that segment. Still, your theory makes sense, and your work deserves all the praise.
Yeah he was definitely using the Russian word since you know, Ocelots russian
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This is deeply fascinating.
thanks for the video @Futurasound Productions , looking forward for the next
amazing work as always Jorin. I hadn't picked up the XOF members exterminating the hospital to ensure BB is dead. Thanks for that.
Venom Snake smokes an Electronic Ciggarette while the real Big Boss smokes an actual cigar, I never noticed that.
Literally the only videos where I'm constantly rewinding to catch all the info
The point you made about the walls with doctors degrees and such.
It's a hospital full of doctors and nurses. I think it only makes sense that they would have them on display.
These videos are amazing. A lot of neat things I never noticed like the helicopter shot down by Volgin later showing up in the lobby.
I cant express how much fun I get from watching this videos, man, loved it, it brings me to tears, this saga is so deep. Keeping it real.
I find it interesting Tretji Rebenok loses himself in his hosts and carries out *their* will spurned on by their hate. Psycho Mantis said his first psychic experience was from his father, sensing his hate for his own son. He *then* goes onto burn down his town. Was that Mantis? Or his father?
I've literally just discovered this video and is absolutely amazing. Genuinely made me think so differently about this game after its been 9 years.
I think everything up to the chopper crash happened. However I think the TPP all happened in a ketamine-induced hypnogogic dream, where he was fed with suggestions which produced vivid dreams. The goal of Zero was to make a new mental copy of snake, which is why the events of the TPP mirrors significant events in Big Bosses life; the broken arm, being left for dead, creation of a a private military, and many more. The tapes are people around his hospital bed speaking.
i just love how this is all the basis for liquid ocelot brainwashing himself in MGS 4. he learned it all here / carried it all out here first as a trial. (obviously correct me if i'm wrong my memory is soooo bad due to all the ketamine)
The revelation that Huey invented Vaping I think was the most important takeaway of this
34:56
Commitment to the max. It didn't need to be the exact same bike, any Triumph would invoke EVA in our memories, but they went a step adhead
Something I've never heard brought up is the way Skull Face talks to BB on the heliport in the cut scene before the Skull Face Jeep monologue, where his voice affects Venom's vision. To me, it's very reminiscent of the way Gene in Portable Ops has a voice with special abilities as part of the Successor Program (it's just the Weirding Way from Dune IMO). And in the final battle with Gene, what is one of the side effects of Gene's voice: colors begin to fade and change briefly, not unlike MGSV really. You have to figure as the head of XOF, Skull Face would have had access to technology left over from the Successor Program, esp when you consider the fact that Gene gives BB the assets for his "Army's Heaven" and I imagine the technology that created those powers would be one of the first things Gene would take before launching his insurrection; Gene gives BB the assets and BB almost certainly gave them to Zero after the San Hieronymo Peninsula uprising. After all, what's better than a commander with uncanny speed and psychic powers? A whole unit of soldiers with that power, of course. The super speed Gene shows in PO reminds me of the way the Skulls/Quiet can move faster than the eye can see, their super speed. Or maybe I'm just reading into it? You don't mention PO too often in your analysis, so I'm assuming you don't take it into consideration when writing analysis, but I think if you compare the heliport scene in MGSV and the final battle with Gene in PO you'll see some similarities.
Exactly at 19:10 you can see Ishmael hidden in the room he pulls you
Venom snake had a dislocated elbow. With dislocations, the pain is much worse when the joint is set back into its socket.
I like how half of Cyprus basically just got blown to shit by military people, a fire guy and a literal whale, and it’s never brought up again
And the whale wasnt real
Holy shit, I never noticed how Psycho Mantis changes a little bit every time he links with someone. I only noticed when his mask changed to the mgs1 styled mask during Skullface cutscene
An element of the penultimate cinematic with Revolver Ocelot and the "real" Big Boss that interests me, is that it appears TPP uses the same character model from GZ for the "real" Big Boss (please correct me if I am wrong on this point). This could be interpreted as symbolising how the "real" Big Boss has been protected from the effects of the previous nine years - owing to his "phantom". Furthermore, the number "9" is significant from a religious perspective, as it has associations with "completeness" and "finality" in multiple world religions, perhaps symbolising the ouroboros you mention. Apologies if either of these two points have already been discussed. Thanks for another video, Boss!
I don’t know if this means anything but if hide with Ishmael where the beds are he and Snake will move in sync to hide from the guards but then again this could be my own brain tricking me into finding signs on if Ishmael actually exist or doesn’t. It’s fascinating to see how V is truly a MGS game but how much it does it on a psychological level and how no matter if you believe Venom to be his own character or not I love that we can see parts of Big Boss’ mind even the morality in a sense. Wonderful video as always I can’t wait for more
The idea at the beginning where the patriots use control by using language, and how certain words or phrases makes the unconscious act upon hearing them. It reminded a lot of Bioshock when the main character unknowingly followed orders by the antagonist any time the phrase 'would you kindly' was said. Add to that how you said in mgsv skullface and cipher mightve been doing the same thing with our main character big boss as venom snake. Its a theory that because of Bioshock I can get behind, and that it may play a role here in mgsv.
If I had to take a guess, I think the XOF raid into the hospital was Plan B. Plan A was for Quiet to just go in, kill Big Boss and everyone else in the room and then leave. But when she flew out of the window on fire, they went ahead with the full raid.
Also, Ishmael is very much an oddity. I'm fairly certain the hospital staff and other patients react to him, but aside from that one time he says he's going to make a distraction and jumps off the stairs the XOF forces never react to him, and even then only one person went to look at where he jumped to.
The staggered entry of XOF at the hospital is quite logical, the first strike sent in didn't work (might've seen her falling out of the window on fire), as such the big bad big boss is more dangerous after his coma than they hoped, as such team B is activated, a more lethal approach to eliminate everyone in the hospital and you would've killed snake too, with the man on fire sent in aswell, (probably not completely under Skullface's control yet) it just becomes a giant fustercluck, Ishmael and Ahab blowing through atleast two mechanized platoons is telling enough.
There are clues that indicate that Ishmael was purely a manifestation of Venom's strength and inner will.
Love that the most frequent ads I get on this series is Duolingo
I've been waiting for this! Made my day
Shining lights even in death
We live and die by your order boss😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
When men cried
When you think about it PMCs are basically the club football version of when nation states going to war.
19:10 it's not ishmael that we see die, it's just someone with the same clothes and bandages. When the camera is turning, you can actually spot Ishmael standing inside the room next to you.
When mantis shows up with Venom's horn, it seems to imply that Venom is controlling him in the moments where Volgin isn't.
I also thing Venom creates the distraction that prevents him from being caught during the sequence when he and Ishmael crawl under the hospital bed; he looks forward with a blank face and the noise occurs.
Kojima should reward you with milk and honey for making analysis like this to help his fans understand his convoluted yet brilliant stories. Thank you
Those ''pigs'' under the statue, of which I'm guessing there's four, look a lot more like foxes than pigs to me. Look at those two on the side view, the length and size of the snout is like no pig i've ever seen. Something about it with the horse rearing up above the foxes (if that's what they are) makes me think of a foxhunt, only thing missing is the foxhound. This is my first time really 'seeing' them since this video brought them to my attention, so i'm not certain, I can see the pig in the one facing forward.
Agreed.
In this scenario, I'd say Volgin is the foxhound. Until he is thrown off the scent and goes after Vernom instead of Big Boss.
@@AvianSavara Yes dude if the metaphor holds up I think you might be right!
I cant wait for your interpretation of mgs2 video review. I know you cant do every thing of one game. But what you told us is very insightful that were just waiting to be cracked open and expand the field of this series.
Great analysis my friend.
Btw word Lager is also a Russian word Лагерь, which means camp. Considering he used to be in GRU, he may be using Russian words in this case since he's talking about Miller imprisoned by Soviet Army. So, you know.
the subtitles said "lager" is there any reason to believe he meant anything more than going to get a beer?
He's had drrrrrink rrrrrrresistance trrraining....
I really dig how Jacob's Ladder-esque MGSV is. It feels far less straight forward than JL, but its also ridiculously dense with lore and series meta. Fortunately the Ladder never got a sequel but for Kojima to expand the series the way he and his team have over the years is crazy impressive. Even if I didn't like the approach I'd respect how Joycean this game specifically is; at any given moment a scene or detail will also have countless connections and what may seem to be potential synchronicities. Initially I liked MGSV as a kind of 'punk rock' game. The format was in bite size chunks that felt all over the place and the drastic change to the series format (codec dialogue/brief but open gameplay/lengthy cut scene/repeat) felt like an intentional response to critics. I was also one of the many who had only a shaky grip on what was "actually happening" story wise, but like Never Mind the Bollocks (which, to be fair, was less impenetrable), it ages beautifully. We were set up to receive a game that connected to the beginning of the series but none of us were expecting such a significant shift in storytelling and texture and it understandably frustrated a lot of people. Some people felt played...like a damned fiddle, even. But that's part of the story itself. Also a handy metaphor for the weird relationship between gamer and avatar. It's wild how Kojima understands and communicates what I guess you could call a variation on "(maybe 'post'?)modernism". Between the endlessly layered angles of how meta and connective and concurrently dissociative this one is and that terrifying scene in MGS2 that predicted the information nightmare we're learning to navigate, he keeps knocking them outta the proverbial park.
I did not finish Death Stranding tho....did you?
Thanks for the essay(s) bro.
The really subtle “nice ass” in 7:56 doesn’t go unnoticed. *Wink wink*
your channel is great !
A point to note is that Ocelot tells V that he knows him. Where as the real BB always knew Ocelot since mgs3 and won't need introduction. But to reinforce the installed memories of V, ocelot had to be sure
From wiki: Historically, the Pequots spoke a dialect of the Mohegan-Pequot language, an Eastern Algonquian language. The Treaty of Hartford concluded the Pequot War in 1637, when the colonists made speaking the language a capital offense. Within a generation or so, it became largely extinct.
loved the first video, can't wait
I also felt it was inconsistent when Ishmael (bandage face man) when he distracted the guards and jumped out of stairs. He just disappeared when guards check on him.
Hell his ambulance crash was way more ambiguous when Ishmael was not in driving seat.(which was later explained)
Great content man. I would have never even thought of all these things
These videos are top shelf man. Thanks.
Overthinking is a hell of a drug!
This game is one of the best games of all time. The gameplay is nothing but perfect 👌
At 29:46 the reverse image of the boss is a symbol for as above, so below.
Just performed hypnogogia on myself by taking a nap to this video and the hospital one. I could hear this video in parts of my dream.
As someone who dislocated his shoulder it goes numb till u pop it back in then it burns super fucking bad
7:20 ALSO the doc said bandages aren't because you need them but because they hide you.
These videos are the perfect mixture of grasping at straws and solid exploration of mgsv
So Ishmael's appearance is considered possibly an echo of the training imprinted on you, rather than Ishmael physically present, maybe? Ishmael was never there, your mind just filled him in to remind you where your training came from?
the transition at 1:51 is so funny to me for some reason. don't smoke kids
Im not sure if you would think this would be worth doing, but I would love a video investigating the various lies and misdirects in the game and try to discern as best as we can what everyone's true motives were
one thing I noticed is that the fake Ishmael that dies in the hallway doesn't have burnt clothes like Ishmael received when he got burned during the first man on fire encounter
'Lager' is a German word which also is used in Russian (Ocelot is russian), which can be a camp or a warehouse in German and only a camp in Russian.